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I've been wondering about the whole equally yoked issue lately. I'm an AG (Assembles of God) young woman who has found herself in love with a Catholic young man. Is a relationship (romantic, and we're talking possible marriage) between the two considered unequally yoked? If so how?

Moderator - Yes, that is unequally yoked as most AG wouldn't consider Catholics Christians. Obviously, not to know the answer to that question would mean both of you have a very marginal knowledge of your respective denominations. Ask your pastor and priest and both will be quick to give an answer.

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Both the Pentecostal Church and the Catholic Church are Catholic in my opinion. It is common in warfare for best buddies to pretend to be enemies. I was in both Churches and they are both the SAME in the end. Pentecostals did not get me out of Catholicism, some even confirmed miraculous apparitions of the Virgin, as being from God.
---frances on 2/8/08


My dear friend who asked the question of a Pentacostal getting married to a CatholicI believe there must be unity in faith- how can you fellowship together when one insists on praying to Mary and the saints and the other praying to Father through Yeshua? It's always best to marry someone who goes to the same gathering as you do. Probably, if you are open to each others belief, you can sort it out by taking God's Word as the ONLY manual.
May the Lord fill you with His wisdom, dear.
---Sidharth on 2/8/08


If you even ask about this, Shame on the AG!
Find the answers read your whole Bible cause it seems your church is failing giving you truth. go to the bible not to the AG. The rcc is antichrist.
---george on 2/25/07


many catholics don't really believe their teachings catechism etc. i would just be a friend and share the truth with Him. But do not tell him you can't marry him until he denies any of his beliefs cause guys will fake stuff.
---Gail on 2/23/07


Also, remember too that it wasn't just the Jews in the crowd who left. Some of Jesus' own disciples left Him over this as well. Believers who were already following Him and who had already accepted the spiritual claims He made about Himself. Peter himself even came close to leaving Jesus over this.
---augua9846 on 9/22/06




But then Jesus started using another word (trogo) to explain exactly what He meant - that this food was both spiritual AND real. And by using the word trogo He left no room for misunderstanding because it has only one meaning and that is to literally and physically eat. And, if that wasn't clear enough He went on to say for my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink *indeed* - meaning in reality.

cont...
---augua9846 on 9/22/06


Alan writes: "Augusta ... Who said they undestood Him literally? I reckon they understood Him symbolically, and just could not accept that this man was making such arrogant spiritual claims about himself?"***
They understood Jesus literally because of the words He used. Jesus was using metaphorical language when He began His discourse because He used another word for eat; phago. This word is used metaphorically and I'm sure the crowd was probably perplexed by its use as well.
cont..
---augua9846 on 9/22/06


Augusta ... Who said they undestood Him literally? I reckon they understood Him symbolically, and just could not accept that this man was making such arrogant spiritual claims about himself.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 9/22/06


He did not call them back. He did not tell them His words were not literal. They understood Him literally and Jesus did nothing to change their minds. Judas found the teaching hard also. This is where he made up his mind to betray Jesus.

Paul: "Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord." Not a "symbol" of the body and blood of the Lord, but guilty of THE body and blood of Christ.
---augusta on 9/21/06


***Ruben: Elder-(The Bible does not say to physically eat the flesh and drink the Blood of Jesus. ) Are you trying to say "How can this man gives us his flesh to eat.?" or " This is hard who can understand it?"***
Ruben is right. It was only after Jesus used the word "trogo" for eat in John 6 that the multitude turned away. They said the teaching was too hard. And instead of stopping them Jesus let the multitude go.
cont
---augusta on 9/21/06




***flesh = accepting His teaching and His future sacrifice.***
"And the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." Jo 6:51
Jesus said here that this flesh is the VERY same flesh that He will give up for the world. So if the flesh He gives us to eat is only "symbolic" then so is the flesh of the crucifixion! Jesus equates the two. So either both are literal or both are figurative.
---augusta on 9/21/06


Contd#2:He is God of Truth.HE Commanded "Do this in in Memory of me".A man of your standing cannot deny this especially as it is reaffirmed in1Cor,10v15-17His words, after our reception of Him are no idle words"I live in them & they in Me"People who scoff at this,sayingit is Cannabalistic are reneging His Invitation & are equal to those who found this doctrine hard to understand but yet he did not change so those who refuse fall into that category.
---Emcee on 9/21/06


#1-Elder:True we do not drink ROCKS, but the rock mentioned in your Passage is Jesus Himself. Icor10;3-4 At Pentacost the Holy spirit descended on many; as many people claim today.IF so & if this is possible, why cannot the bread & wine be changed into the B&B of Jesus especially as HE says.Why would HE institute a double standard Guidance & fellowship (one true & one false). HE sent the Paraclete.He is truth if He says this is MY Body & Blood,then that is what it is His whole self soul & divinity.Contd
---Emcee on 9/21/06


"I Cor 10:1-17 There is a rock spoken of here. How many drink rocks?"
No one I hope. ;) Jesus told us to drink His blood, not rocks.
The word "drank" here IS used symbolically:
Pino
1 .to drink
2. figuratively, to receive into the soul what serves to refresh strengthen, nourish it unto life eternal

In this passage Paul wasn't writing about Communion anyway; He was writing about the OT fathers who of course didn't partake of Communion.
---augusta on 9/21/06


***The Bible does not say to physically eat the flesh and drink the Blood of Jesus.***

Yes it does. Jesus used the word "trogo" which exclusively means to physically eat, chew, gnaw. All one has to do is check out the lexicon and the cross references and there it is in black & white.

Here's another one: (Jo 6:55)
"For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."
Indeed: Alethos - truly, of a truth, in reality, most certainly.
---augusta on 9/21/06


Elder ... # 4 What puzzles me is that those who most vociferously say that everything in the Bible has to be taken absolutely literally (in other words, exactly as said, with no real "meanings" to be inferred) are usually those who are the most vehement in denying the RCC doctrine of transubstantiation.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 9/21/06


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Elder ... # 3 It is of course passages such as this that the Roman Catholic Church seize on to justify their doctrine that at Communion, which they call Mass, the bread actually becomes the actual flesh of Jesus, and the wine becomes His actual blood.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 9/21/06


Elder ... # 2 And if taken literally, John 6 says that whosoever actually eats His actual flesh dwells in Him.
I think I know what Jesus meant there, even though He did not say it literally .. that He was talking about His spiritual flesh... eating = accepting as part of us ... flesh = accepting His teaching and His future sacrifice.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 9/21/06


Elder ... # 1 You know I have this thing about the Bible not always being "literal" And I get in a lot of trouble over it.
Matthew 26.26 says, of the bread "Take, eat, this is my body"
Now, if taken literally that statement & command by Jesus would mean that they actually ate Jesus' actual body.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 9/21/06


Elder-(The Bible does not say to physically eat the flesh and drink the Blood of Jesus. ) Are you trying to say "How can this man gives us his flesh to eat.?" or " This is hard who can understand it?"
---Ruben on 9/21/06


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The Bible does not say to physically eat the flesh and drink the Blood of Jesus. John 6 is a spiritual reference based on the Truth of I Cor 10:1-17.
There is a rock spoken of here. How many drink rocks?
The spiritual exercise of the Lord's Supper is the communion of fellowship with Him.
Show me where the Bible says the bread and juice become actual blood and flesh because some Priest prays over it. Maybe he should pray over dirt so it can become money.
What are Cannibals known for eating?
---Elder on 9/20/06


Thanks Emcee. I was going to post John 6:56 for Bennie, "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him." Also, Benny, please read Luke 24:13-35.
I wasn't sure if this is what you were asking for, though. I have a difficult time seeing the question as anything but rhetorical (maybe because I have always believed in the real presence even when I was a Protestant). So if I was off on the answer you wanted please let me know.
---augusta on 9/20/06


Benny: Bread & wine is Bread & wine, but by The command of God In the recitation of His words It is converted into "His Body & Blood which is soul sustaining.because by its reception,he obtains spiritual graces which help him to keep away from sin. Jesus said 'He who eats of me. I live in Him & he in ME.'His dying words on the cross were "I Thirst"it was not water he was craving but Souls.this the e devil knows & keeps people away by calling those who partake Cannabils & the like.
---Emcee on 9/19/06


Benny, I was just getting ready to turn in but I'll get back to you tomorrow if no one else does first.
Blessings & good night,
augusta
---augusta on 9/18/06


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Christina & Emcee, thank you both so much for the kind words of condolence. The Lord is so good! He always sends us folks with just the right words to help us through the dark times and it is such a blessing. :)
In Christ,
augusta
---augusta on 9/18/06


About the Eucharist, and according to Catholics, what is the functional purpose of the "wine" and the "bread" being the actual "blood" and "body" of Jesus. Put another way, what would happen differently (be it physically or spiritually) if the wine and bread were just that? Not rhetorical questions -- I really want to understand the difference.
---Benny on 9/18/06


Augusta::My thoughts & prayers wing out to you in your hour of need & solace. May the Merciful Saviour give you the Grace & comfort & with His Mother's tenderness in this your trying ordeal.Peace & blessings be with you.
---Emcee on 9/17/06


Augusta, Praise God! Good to know He has been blessing you during this difficult time. You've been missed, but welcome back! Our God is truly awesome, and His constant love is so amazing. Bless you and all your loved ones.
---Christina on 9/17/06


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Alan, let's start with John 6:54. Jesus said "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day."
This is the verse where Jesus begins using the Greek word *trogo* for eat. It means to literally eat, to chew or gnaw. It is never used metaphorically. And it was only after He used this word that the crowd was repulsed and left.
If Jesus didn't mean this literally then why didn't He stop them from leaving?
---augusta on 9/17/06


Mary Louise writes: "I could give some scriptures for you during this difficult time for Augusta if you'd like me to. If you'd like to wait for Augusta, that's fine."

Thank you, Mary Louise, that would be great! I'm still trying to regroup from the shock of this and all the company. Also, I have to go check on my dad and some other family members today so I'm going to be pretty busy.

con't...
---augusta on 9/17/06


Thanks so much for your thoughts and prayers, everyone. The Lord has blessed me beyond measure through all of this; and for His awesome love and grace, and the prayers of His children I am so grateful.

God bless,

augusta
---augusta on 9/17/06


No Helen, I am sorry, but did not think that you were taking the attitude, as you terse reminder now seems to indicate, that there is no modern equivalent or need.
FF has supplied one example ... Thank you.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/12/06


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Alan8869ofUK - Thank you for your answer. You did not give me even one example.
---Helen_5378 on 9/12/06


[The Bible shows the bread and wine are symbols.*** Alan UK
No, Alan it doesn't; It shows the exact opposite. -
Augusta]

I could give some scriptures for you during this difficult time for Augusta if you'd like me to. If you'd like to wait for Augusta, that's fine.
---MaryLouise on 9/12/06


Augusta, I'm so sorry to hear about your mother. May God be with you all at this most difficult time. Prayers coming your way.
---MaryLouise on 9/12/06


Foot washing, in Jesus' day, would have been the most humbling of jobs. As Alan has already said, it would not be an appropriate way to show that we wish to serve someone else in every part of the world or even in some parts of our own community. We can do humbling tasks for others to show our love though. There are many bed bound people who are left lieing in soiled sheets until a carer turns up hours late or who need the commode emptying. Not easy when walking with a zimmer frame.
---F.F. on 9/12/06


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Helen ... The washing of guests feet was a particular ceremony, in a time of dusty feet, and Jesus took on the role of a servant.
There are many many situations where we can show that we as Christians will give service to those whom society says should serve us.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/12/06


Alan8869ofUK - What do you think maybe would be the equivalent of foot washing today? I cannot think of anything. Thanks.
---Helen_5378 on 9/11/06


Augusta ... Praying for you and your mother and all other members of your family
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/11/06


Helen ::While the washing of feet may be symbolic; Holy Communion,His B&B is real & perpetuated by one of Promise & Faith to sustain us to keep us in His Grace prevent us from stumbling & lapsing into old practices which is detrimental to our friendship with Him."Seek & you WILL find."
---Emcee on 9/11/06


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Mrs. Morgan,
You are correct. Jesus would do the same today. The exact same. He would take a common every-day experience and use it to teach a lesson. In this case a lesson in humility and servitude. However, if he used footwashing as an example today, the meaning and intent would be lost on today's culture.
---Bruce5656 on 9/11/06


Augusta, prayers ascend for you and your mother. Lord, Jesus Christ, Who suffered and died for our sins that we may live, forgive us in Your goodness and love. All our hope we put in You. If it be Your will, give to her health and a complete recovery. We submit to Your will and into Your hands we commend our souls and bodies. For a good account before the awesome judgment seat of Christ, we pray to you O Lord. Bless us, be merciful to us and grant us life eternal. Amen.
---Tina5349 on 9/11/06


Donna2277 - I believe also that communion is symbolic. Thank you for your answer - it gave me understanding of the foot washing.
---Helen_5378 on 9/11/06


8Augusta .. go on then
---alan8869_of_UK (Vote) on 9/10/06***
Alan, I'm sorry, I won't be able to do this right now. My mom fell and hit her head last week and sustained a brain bleed. She was doing well at first but then took a turn for the worse this weekend and had to be put on a respirator. The Dr. said last night there is no hope though so we've decided to remove it this morning.
Be back to do this when I can.

blessings, augusta
---augusta on 9/11/06


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Mrs Morgan ... # 2 Jesus talked of himself as being a shepherd, and the people as being sheep.
That would mean nothing to people who did not have sheep, so in Peru, He would have used some other example, perhaps herdsman, and yaks.
I don't think in the paddy fields, they have sheep, so here the Bibke message has to be amended to say something that can be understood by the local people.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/11/06


Mrs Morgan ... # 1 Surely Jesus would have some regard to the culture He was working in? The climate of say Greenland, would make washing of people's feet a very unwelcome service?
It was already an act of humility in His land & times, He did not have to teach that fact. he took an act of humility and did it Himself, to give an example.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/11/06


I go to the united pentecosta church and we have foot washing.
---Betty on 9/10/06


Helen::I have washed & had mine washed during Holy week.Its a mark of servitude & humility as an expression to serve the lord.Our Lord did this to his Apostles
---Emcee on 9/10/06


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Pray ;Can any one tell me what unequally yolked which was the question got to do with washing of feet,(servitude & humility) & the B& B of Jesus--this shows how focused we are on the subject on Hand.Are we straying like lost sheep?
---Emcee on 9/10/06


Helen, My church doesn't practice it, but I've been to a couple of such services and found them spiritually worthwhile. It's symbolic, (so is Communion in my view). Neither affects salvation. If the Holy Spirit impresses on people to do it, they should do it.
---Donna2277 on 9/10/06


Augusta .. go on then
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/10/06


[How many of you here I wonder go to a church where you wash each other's feet?
---Helen_5378]
Every Holy Thursday in the Catholic Church.
---MaryLouise on 9/10/06


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[Precisely. They refused to accept His plain promise that He would give His Body and Blood as true food under the forms of bread and wine.
To refuse to believe this is to "not walk with Jesus," according to the Bible. -Jack]
Amen.
---MaryLouise on 9/10/06


Alan, I feel like Jesus would do the same, teach us to wash each other's feet, Why? Because Jesus is the same yesterday , today, and forever(Hebrews 13:8). --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/10/06


we wash each others feet in service to be obedient to Jesus and show that no person is better than another.
John 13:13-14 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
---Exzucuh on 9/10/06


The pentacostal church in So. Ca. I was compelled to attend as a teen had women washing each others feet,that was far from the strangest thing they did. Women were trained to be very, very submissive, childlike, always crying. A young women aspiring for higher education had to give up such asperations, or leave the church, I have been told here they were extreme, but I will say a 'certain' well known actor, a former child star grew up to be in all those those 'end-of-the-world-movies' went to that church.
---MikeM on 9/10/06


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How many of you here I wonder go to a church where you wash each other's feet?
---Helen_5378 on 9/10/06


***Augusta ... The Bible shows the bread and wine are symbols.***
No, Alan it doesn't; It shows the exact opposite. Christ could not have been any clearer. I'll go over every verse on the subject in Scripture with you when I can if you like. And if you love Christ (and I know you do) you'll take me up on this.
---augusta on 9/10/06


Jana ... Yes washing someone's feet was then recognised as an act of humility, and it really needed doing.
Nowadays it would be a symbol only, with no need. That's why I suggest that if Jesus were here now, he would use an act more recognisable by our community a s being one of humility.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/9/06


Augusta ... The Bible shows the bread and wine are symbols.
Somewhere along the line, the Catholic church turned this into Bread & wine = body + blood.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/9/06


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---as flan and Helen..Washing of Feet an act of humility. John 13:12 so after He had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you? Ye call me master and Lord, and ye say well, for so I am. If I then your Lord and Master have washed your feet, ye also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. Act of humility one to another, we are 2follow...
---jana on 9/9/06


Helen. The reason that jack comes out with hat you associate with RCC doctrine is that he is orthodox, and has stated so on several occasions. Orthodox doctrine is very similar to RCC's
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/9/06


***Alan: but the RCC (and the church generally for centuries) developed from the communion as symbolic remembrance of Christ's sacrifice to a literal interpretation so that bread=body & wine=blood***
So show us the evidence of this. Where are the writings from these 1st, 2nd & 3rd century Christians who taught that the bread and wine were mere symbols?
We can show you where they taught the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
---augusta on 9/8/06


Jack - I am amazed at how time after time you come up with very clearly RCC doctrine. Jesus Christ gave Himself as the Sacrifice on the Cross for the sin of the world, not as "true food under the forms of bread and wine". To say that you are denying the Cross of Christ and are preaching another Jesus, another gospel. The disciples turned away from Jesus because they could not see that Jesus was speaking of His death on the Cross.
---Helen_5378 on 9/8/06


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There is no need to wash anyone's feet in this present age. It was a custom when guests in those dusty times arrived at a host's house. A modern equivalent wou8ld perhaps be carrying a guest's luggage, or polishing their shoes
---as_flan8869_of_UK on 9/8/06


Donna2277 - Just reading this over again and I have a question. Should we actually wash each others' feet do you believe?
---Helen_5378 on 9/8/06


** MaryLouise - The ones that walked away from Jesus were those who had not believed fully in Jesus.**
Precisely. They refused to accept His plain promise that He would give His Body and Blood as true food under the forms of bread and wine.
To refuse to believe this is to "not walk with Jesus," according to the Bible.
---Jack on 9/8/06


# 4 The phrase seems to me to be another symbolic one, and not literal.
Sorry to have gone off at this tangent ... but the RCC (and the church generally for centuries) developed from the communion as symbolic remembrance of Christ's sacrifice to a literal interpretation so that bread=body & wine=blood
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/8/06


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# 3 So I agree with Helen, but would suggest that Jesus "sitting at the right hand of God" as symbolic also. Helen uses this as proof that Jesus is not actually in the bread and wine, but taken further, it would mean that Jesus can't walk about in heaven talking to everyone there, and I'm sure He will get bored if He can't do that.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/8/06


# 2 The people of Jesus' time would have recognised the symbolism of what Jesus said in John 6, and those who walked away would have done so, not because they could not accept the physical idea, but becuse they could not accept that tiis Man was indeed all the spiritual food they needed.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/8/06


Our scientific age has led us to expect everything that is written to be taken literally. We have to remember that Jesus lived in an age where symbolism and allegory was commonly used, as it had during the previuos biblical times.
This leads to many modern misunderstandings of what the Bible teaches, and to many of the bitter disputes we see here on CN
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/8/06


MaryLouise - When they walked away from Jesus, they were looking at what He said with totally worldly eyes. It is only through spiritual eyes that anyone can understand the truths of God's Word.
---Helen_5378 on 9/7/06


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MaryLouise - The ones that walked away from Jesus were those who had not believed fully in Jesus. Jesus had told all of His disciples many times of His upcoming death on the Cross, but there were not many who went on to believe Him. And so it is today.
---Helen_5378 on 9/7/06


Donna2277 - My objection to the literal washing of one another's feet, is that Jesus meant it as an example of servanthood to one another, not literal. I am yet to come across a church that washes each other's feet. Although a SDA once told me they did it. Doctrine is made out of so many foolish things.
---Helen_5378 on 9/7/06


[many of them did walk from Jesus because they couldn't believe it. They thought of it the same way you do, that He meant literally they were to eat Him. How dumb. -Helen]

Dumb, Really? Then why did He let them all walk away? He never said, "Wait, I was not speaking literally." Instead, He said to his apostles, "Will you leave Me too?" He wanted them to know the Truth. He was speaking literally.
---MaryLouise on 9/7/06


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