Can Women Teach Sunday School
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if one was to read pauls position towards women and participation then read equally the recognition that paul gave the several deaconess and female participents then a very good answer will come,or confusion will . |
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---earl on 5/31/08 |
Did you know the woman at the well was the Very first Evangelist! |
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---kathr4453 on 9/15/06 |
Ephesians: 4:7 But unto ""every one"" of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
I guess everyone, means just that, everyone! |
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---kathr4453 on 9/14/06 |
Ephesians 4:11
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
ooops! YEP, they are listed as as Gifts. I guess that would mean that Women can be pastors???!!!???
We can read that two different ways, either these gifts are for all, or there was a typo when Paul said women should have their heads covered when they prophesied.
Or...we need to look up what the word "pastor" means. |
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---kathr4453 on 9/14/06 |
Leslie: Don't you just hate the idea that the only gift any men wants are those who cook "them" fried chicken. |
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---kathr4453 on 9/14/06 |
These are "gifts" given to ALL the Body of Christ.Pastors are not listed as a "gift".
Does God say that He only wants to use 1/2 the Body of Christ. Does He specifically say that Women were not given Gifts? I recall him saying if a woman prophesies she is to have her head covered...which would mean women have Gifts.
I was in a SS class where we had a great woman teacher. The class was also all women. She was replaced by a male, who wasn't even saved. |
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---kathr4453 on 9/14/06 |
some say Pauls advise in 1Cor14:34 was only Paul's word. If its in God's word, then it is inspired and we should be obedient to what God is saying here. Nowhere in the bible where it says WOMEN MUST PREACH. They can teach kids or anyone outside the sanctuary, yet they cannot preach in His sanctuary. This is our problem today, we rebel against God's word and always question Him. Women can teach but cannot preach. |
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---jana on 9/14/06 |
Donna, I'm not too sure that these churches would have offered this lady the positions out of pity at all. They might have heard what an excellent teacher she was and, as Sunday School teachers are in short supply, decided that if one church did not want her skills and gifts they could certainly use them. I'd like to think that that is why they offered anyway. |
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---f.f. on 9/1/06 |
I think what it is talking about when it say's for the women to keep silent some women are so strong willed they try to run the church and tell the pastor what to do there is times people will tell the pastor not to have a certain preacher back
One of my baptist friend stood up in a service and told her pastor don't you tell me i'm not saved i don't know what her pastor said
but it interuped the whole service |
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---Betty on 9/1/06 |
greetings,for alan,my point is, if the harvest is great then why prohibit the workers because they are female?there is enough room for all harvesters.since God is not a respector of persons he calls all people not just men to do his will.there are skills that ive seen many women have to harvest but was denied because of gender.as long as man is taught woman is not a coequal then this injustice will continue.thanks for reply |
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---earl on 8/31/06 |
Earl ... I think the phrasing of Paul's comment supports what you say.
What I wonder happens in a church where no male is prepared to be pastor, or to take responsibility? |
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---alan8869_of_UK on 8/31/06 |
greetings ,if you will concordance this ,much of pauls work about women was by "permission and not by commandment" |
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---earl on 8/31/06 |
A faithful woman was the very first to preach the gospel...and she preached it to men! She was directed to do so by an Angel of God and, later, by Christ Himself as He appeared to her first. I hardly think God was mistaken in selecting a woman to carry the good news.
Paul, though directed by God, was still a man and, I'm sure, struggled with social issues of that day. I trust, however, that Christ knew what He was doing when He selected Mary to appear to and instruct first. |
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---AlwaysOn on 8/31/06 |
teaching sunday school isn't a position of authority? |
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---mike on 8/31/06 |
Was this woman healthy? Did she have alzheimer's disease or dementia? Is there a reason? I think that persons with these type of disorders could and should be removed... for themselves and the children's sake. Women are an integral part of the body of Christ. They can be teachers. Did they treat this woman like she was their mother or did they shame her? |
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---Amy9384 on 8/31/06 |
Sad the church and pastor twisted the scripture to play church politics!
Biblical scholars for years have studied those passages and there are many who dispute them- as no other of Paul's writings are similar and of the day, practice was to pass them along and sometimes others added to the context.
Don't forget the real words of Paul
"And we shall live as one..............." |
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---KC on 8/31/06 |
Yes, the pastor was young. He could not have been in the ministry long. He ADMITTED on national TV, that her dismissel was NOT DUE TO HER BEING A WOMAN. He stated that he had said that ONLY OUT OF "CHRISTIAN CHARITY" But he would NOT state the REAL REASON for her not being allowed to teach. In other words he lied. Wonder why some older board member didn't help him handle this better and avoid embarrassment.
Other churches DID offer this 80 y/o woman positions, out of sympathy, I'm sure. |
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---Donna2277 on 8/24/06 |
Leslie, teaching Sunday School isn't putting a person in a position of authority. She's not on a pulpit. She's not exercising her authority over men, right? We take that scripture such out of context. When a woman is exercising authority over a man, that's being in authority. Simply teaching children or adults before a service isn't exercising authority. |
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---Donna9759 on 8/24/06 |
The minister of this church would not have been born when the lady started her teaching. I've seen a picture of him and he looks about 35. I'm sure that other board members will be older though. I wonder if it is that this young pastor has introduced new ideas to the church members which they havn't considered before, possibly having not seen those scriptures. This could have been handled better though if they felt it needed doing at all. |
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---Mac on 8/24/06 |
WHY in the world did this church wait 54 years to decide that this woman can't teach? |
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---sue on 8/24/06 |
2. Although it is being suggested that her age might be partly the reason for this, this idea seems to have only been introduced into the discussion after negative publicity at the decision started coming from OUTSIDE the church. Mary Lambert might now leave the church that she has attended for 60 years, where she was married. She has had 5 offers to teach Sunday school elsewhere. God must be in this somewhere. Nothing happens without a reason. |
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---M.P. on 8/24/06 |
ABC's news website shows a video where the lady, Mary Lambert, and minister Tim LaBouf, are interviewed and the letter is partially shown. The letter, which is from the church board and is a 'unanimous' decision, quotes Paul's letter to Timothy, "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." The pastor is a member of the city council, which employs a female manager, and he seems to have no problem with women being in authority outside the church. |
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---M.P. on 8/24/06 |
If Leslie has knowledge of this or a case like it, I hope we hear. In the case that was publicized, a pastor told a woman who had taught SS (age group not specified) for 54 years, that she could no longer teach, being a woman. He later admitted that it wasn't "being a woman", but that "Christian charity" prevented him from being more truthful. Eighty y/o women are not often criminal nor "immoral". I think he felt she was no longer capable, but lacked the grace to tell her. |
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---Donna2277 on 8/23/06 |
Remember Ray Boltz song "Thank You, you used to teach my sunday school..." My Mom taught SS for 40 years. She's an awesome teacher, parents and kids tell her she's the best. She kept their hands busy with creative projects while she taught. She stayed up all night sometimes getting everything ready. My Mom is a blessed woman and the Lord uses her in a mighty way. |
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---Raine on 8/23/06 |
women can teach as to being pastors or elders the Word of GOD forbids women holding spiritual headship over man or the church. |
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---willow on 8/23/06 |
Leslie, do you have a connection with this particular church? If so, I'm sure we would all be grateful for an update on this story in the near future, especially regarding how many men actually come forward to teach in the Sunday School instead of the women. Presumably this lady referred to isn't the only one who has been told that her services are no longer needed. |
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---emg on 8/23/06 |
Alan of UK--This was a recent story that was in the news. She was told she could not teach. Period. |
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---Donna2277 on 8/22/06 |
MP. I agree. HA! Show me a church that has all male Sunday School teachers! It's not like men are competeing with one another to teach the Primary Dept! |
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---Donna2277 on 8/22/06 |
Yes. God can and will use anyone of his children to teach. We have a older lady to teach the teens and a younger lady that teaches the toddlers and under 13. I think there is a reason as to why they told her this. But it all depends on the reason. |
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---Rebecca_D on 8/22/06 |
I agree with John.
But I have a question. In the UK, I would say that the term "Sunday SChool" refers almost exclusively to the teaching of children. BUt I believe in the US Sunday Schools for adults are common.
Leslie was your friend told she could no longer teach children? |
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---alan8869_of_UK on 8/22/06 |
In the Baptist church in which I was raised (till I got saved), from age 8 boys were taught by men and girls by women. |
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---Jack on 8/22/06 |
Women can hold any ecclesiastical position in the church including Minister of the Word and Sacraments. Those who who contend other wise are Biblically ignorant or just begets. |
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---Phil_the_Elder on 8/22/06 |
I remember a lady by the name of Rose Mary Brian. She would teach scripture and play the piano, while we all sang along. Sometimes it felt like we were in Heaven. |
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---Jacques on 8/22/06 |
It's interesting that this denomination has NEVER made a statement re: women as teachers. For 54 yrs it's been fine for her to teach. But now that she's in her 80's, the fact that she's a WOMAN is an issue?
It wasn't "Christian charity" (his words)that caused his dishonesty. Christian INTEGRITY would have him tell her, gently and respectfully, that the job has become too much for her at her age. If he really CARED about HER, he would have. (Public embarrassment is a hard way to learn) |
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---Donna2277 on 8/22/06 |
I believe shira's answer is correct. |
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---mima on 8/22/06 |
Yes, women can teach women, teens, and children. They can't biblically teach men. |
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---shira on 8/22/06 |
If this was because her lifestyle had become a bad example to the kids then I agree but if this is because the church has taken a literal stand on women being silent then I think it's a mistake. The Bible tells women to teach children. |
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---john on 8/22/06 |
I know of very few Sunday schools run by men. Male Sunday school teachers are very thin on the ground and far fewer men than women go to church anyway. This is probably an authority thing. Perhaps a capable man has now emerged in that church and they wish to show that a women must not have a position higher than a man's. I personally think that it is very insulting to the woman but that is just my view, others will disagree I know. |
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---M.P. on 8/22/06 |
I believe God will use whomever He will. If His word, His will, His way is being taught, why would He care whose mouth it comes from? Some People are too caught up in the outter apearances, and not concerned enough about what is really important, and that is, the word of God reaching the lost, changed lives,souls being saved, which is suppose to be the ultimate goal of christians. |
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---Barbara on 8/22/06 |
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