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The Book Of Enock Dropped

The Book of Jubilees and The Book of Enoch were banned from The Bible. Is it fair and why?

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 ---Jacques on 8/22/06
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It's not fair--at least to put it that way.

hey were never considered to be part of the Bible to start with, so saying they were "banned from the Bible" is unfair because it is inaccurate.
---Jack on 10/10/07


I read extra-biblical material and from a historical perspective, they are useful, but the banned books were banned for a reason. Only the inspired Word of God is supposed to be in the Canon of Sacred Scripture. The Bible is supposed to be a reliable source for God's Word, not an interesting coffee table book.
---lorra8574 on 4/10/07


No. All the books should have been included. Much knowledge has been lost as a result of not including all the books. That is the sad part, what part of the story and information about faith have we lost. Many books we will never find and are lost forever as a result of leaving them out. Instead of picking and chosing, early church leaders should have simply made a library of all the books. It would have been a bigger book, but a better resource for christianity.
---Rodney on 4/10/07


The kjv bible is as accurate as God has allowed . If you have no faith in it, you may not have faith to be saved, and if you with your weak faith discredit the only guide line we have through the kjv then there will be Absolutely no way to know what is truth and people will perish. Just as people change the constitution to justify immorality
and murder of children, to discredit the bible to strengthen your argument is tragic.
---Exzucuh on 3/25/07


Ive' read the book of Enoch and it is about as genuine as the book of Mormon.
---Exzucuh on 3/25/07




Jude(bro of jesus..same mom) actually quotes book of enoch...seems fairly important to read to me, but not important enough to base your life off of it...i'm going to read it, sounds sweet...oh yea its jude 1:14
---mark on 3/25/07


Lorie, all the banned books are available in most major publiv libraries, at least here in the UK or on the Net.
Nag Hammadhi would be a good start, but don't hope for enlieghtenment, They were not written to be understood without the appropriate teacher there with you,
---mike8384 on 3/25/07


Regarding Jude, some of what the writer referred to comes from Tradition, the Jews also had the Oral Torah which was considered by them to be just as inspired as the written Torah, and they also had other writings which helped to further clarify the scriptures and provide presidence for legal proceedings in the Sanhedrin.

Of course, the NT also quotes from pagan sources and apocryphal books, though these are not treated as sacred scripture by them (or us).
---lorra8574 on 3/25/07


Don't know the book of Jubilees, could just be some uneeded history, but have seen the Book of Enoch.
It is clearly gnostic in origin, and bears no resemblance to the Bible as we have it today.
It's on the Net, look it up and see for yourself.
---mike8384 on 3/25/07


I also watched the History Channel special on "the Banned books of the Bible," and I am very glad I watched. I had never known about other books that "might" give more insight on scripture currently found in the Bible. I'm glad because "I" want to make the decision if they are scripture or not. I do not want others' making that decision for me.
---Lorrie on 9/7/06




Someone mentioned Jude 1:14. Also look at Jude 1:9. This is not anywhere in the Tanach or apostolic writings. Where then? it comes from several extra biblical writings that were obviously studied by all since the receiver of this letter knows what books the author is referring to.
---Jeff on 8/31/06


Mike M, have you ever actually READ any of the Church Fathers? You might be pleasantly surprised.

Do you know what the Council of Nicea actually said? Something tells me that you really have no idea.
---Jack on 8/28/06


"Church Fathers", ancient Christian writers,that is ones whose writings agreed with the Roman Church- their writings survived. Others had a way of being burned with their 'spurious' writings. Nicea represented only a few hundred of the 1800 Bishops in the Empire. The 'Church' was a miasma of beliefs until one tradition, the one in Rome backed by Constantine ascended to be the correct one.
---MikeM on 8/26/06


** 'church Fathers (whatever that means)**
"Church Fathers", in case you didn't know, refers to ancient Christian writers, most of whose works were considered trustworthy: Ignatius of Antioch, Ambrose of Milan, Augustine of Hippo, among others.
At the time of Constantine, bishops were elected by the clergy and people of their churches, with the ratification of surrounding bishops. It was not until well after Constantine that imperial entanglements in episcopal elections started.
---Jack on 8/26/06


greetings,for jacques,there were at one time a multitude of papers discarded.the observation is, after the bible was bound ,favor of it did not last long.did man remove them by Gods favor or did man remove them against Gods favor?why were many books such as the ones you refer to became un bound?there is of record what books were later omitted.consider that there was no international copyright until 1955 .by who's authority were these changes made?why are those books not classed Holy?
---earl on 8/25/06


The book of Enoch was written before 'gnosticism,'-greek philosophy. Many accepted Enoch until 400AD, and the 'church Fathers (whatever that means) quoted it, as does the Bible. The RCC formed the current canon based on the politics of the times, many wanted Revelation dropped as ell. They 'voted' on what books to keep, Bishops picked by Constantine. Intelligent people should read it, compare and contrast it with scripture before accepting, rejecting it.
---MikeM on 8/24/06


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Sue, as interesting and usually informative history and science channels are, they are usually WAY off base when dealing with Church history.
---Jack on 8/23/06


Jack, I`m a bit surprised by your statement, the RCC did not formulate the NT as we have it, it was largely the Orthodox concils, 478AD but don't remember the official title of the council.
---mike8384 on 8/23/06


Hi Jack, I think she watched a special on tv? I will ask her where she heard this from. I was just wondering if anybody knew anything more about it, thats all.
---sue on 8/23/06


The book of Enoch was writted about 110 b.c. Jude in Jude 14 may be quoting from the book of Enoch chapter 2 verse 1.
Jude's use of this passage confirms only the truth of Enoch prophecy; it does mean that he endirses the entire book Enoch.
---Ramon on 8/23/06


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[Highly unlikely as it is not the Catholic church that put the Bible together in the first place. -Helen]
My goodness, Helen. In all Christian charity, please read Church History for a good understanding and do not pass along falsehoods. You say you follow only scripture, but you pass along information like this which is incorrect - and not in scripture either!
---MaryLouise on 8/23/06


Sue: ** My friend told me that she read somewhere that several books of the Bible were taken out because ...**
It's interesting that your friend heard this "somewhere."
There are a lot of half-baked ideas about the Bible, its origins, church history, and the like floating around. That's why movies like DA VINCI CODE made so much money.
If you were to ask your friend the names of these books and what they actually said, I doubt she could tell you.
---Jack on 8/23/06


Sue: ** My friend told me that she read somewhere that several books of the Bible were taken out because they were about women and the Catholic church didn't like that. Is that true?**
It's interesting that your friend heard this "somewhere."
There are a lot of half-baked ideas about the Bible, its origins, church history, and the like floating around. That's why movies like DA VINCI CODE made so much money.
---Jack on 8/23/06


Helen 53780--Who do you think put the Bible together to start with?

Do you think it dropped down out of heaven already written?
---Jack on 8/23/06


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The two books you mentioned were never part of original Hebrew Holy Scripture, and are classified as false or uninspired (Not breathed or spoken by God) writings.
---Eloy on 8/23/06


Sue - Highly unlikely as it is not the Catholic church that put the Bible together in the first place.
---Helen_5378 on 8/22/06


It's neither fair nor unfair, it's a matter of inspiration of the Holy Ghost.
---The_word_is_perfect on 8/22/06


My friend told me that she read somewhere that several books of the Bible were taken out because they were about women and the Catholic church didn't like that. Is that true?
---sue on 8/22/06


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