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Why Only My Father Knows

Why did Jesus say "only my Father knows"? Why did Jesus not know?

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 ---earl on 8/23/06
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greetings ,thanks for replies,for ramon,can we recall the statement above,"(only )my father knows"did not jesus state a non metaphor?non disguised truth ?thanks for replies
---earl on 8/26/06


Earl.#9.However, we see that after the resurrection of Christ it is said of Him that He knows all things (John 21:17) and that He is omnipresent (Matt. 28:20).Therefore, after His resurrection and glorification, the Lord Jesus did know all things.

Ever wonder why Jesus in Matt. 12:22-32 said that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would never be forgiven?Because Jesus, as a man who was ministering completely as a man under the Law (Gal. 4:4-5),did His miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit.
---Ramon on 8/26/06


Earl.#8.During His earthly ministry He moved in the power of the Holy Spirit and did His miracles by the Holy Spirit and not by His own divine power.This is because He was made for a little while lower than the angels (Heb. 2:9) and had emptied Himself and taken on the form of a man (Phil. 2:7).

This demonstrates that Christ was completely human and dependent upon God and that He was cooperating with the limitations of being human. That is why He said He didn't know the day or hour of His return.
---Ramon on 8/26/06


Earl#7Gregory of Nazianzus(330-389) interpreted the verse solely in terms of the two natures of Christ.The divine is omniscient, the human is ignorant.

Martin Luther answer was that in this case,Jesus was speaking with regard to His human nature.

John Calvin say that Christ is ignorant only in the sense that He did not choose to reveal this information to humankind.
---Ramon on 8/26/06


Earl.#5.He maintains the fact that "Son"refers to the humanity of Christ in this passage, not to the deity.
Athanasius also argues If the Son is in the Father, and the Father in the Son (Jn 14:10-11), then the divine Son knows. He also makes his case from theological descriptions of the divine Sons being. If the Son is the Fathers very image (Col 1:15; Heb 1:3), then he shares the likeness with the Father of knowing the day and the hour.
---Ramon on 8/26/06




Earl.#5The church fathers developed interpretations of Mark 13:32 mostly in response to the Arians.Athanasius (295-373)devotes most of chapter 29 in his discourses against the Arians to the proper understanding.

Athanasiuss answer to the problem is that when Jesus said that the Son did not know, He spoke according to his humanity, not his divinity. Son refers to the humanity of Christ in this passage, not to the deity.
---Ramon on 8/26/06


#2 earl, When Christ found the pearl He was looking for He sold all He had (Remember we are bought with His blood). He paid the wages of sin. Since Jesus sold all He had came to this earth and died He bought salvation and now will pass it on to you. You must be willing to obey, produce fruit, fill your lamp, trade your talents and learn to be humble.
---Ryan on 8/26/06


earl, Jesus was never separated from 'Truth' or the 'Spirit'. He is the 'Truth' the 'Way' and the 'Life' and He was also led by the Spirit. Knowing the begining of the end times was not a part of 'Truth' it is knowledge of future events. Remember the parable of the merchant looking for fine pearls.
---Ryan on 8/26/06


greetings ,thanks for replies,i am confident in the knowledge that the trinity has never,nor will ever be less than the trinity,that is the infinite will never be less than infinite .infinite is infinite and the trinity is no less.to all,thanks for your replies.
---earl on 8/25/06


Earl.#3. John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...."

Christ, the eternal God, became a human being (Phil 2:5-9). Humanity and deity were united together in him. In a humble way he enterned human life with all the limitations of human experiences. He ate, sleep, drank, and everything a human being does.
---Ramon on 8/25/06




Earl.#2.Christ was divine ("the Word was God"), having the same nature and essence as the father (Col 2:9). Even though Jesus is God, the bible states "The World was made flesh"(John 1:14).

The Son of God took on human nature but without sin. This is the basic and central doctrine of Christianity: Christ left heaven and entered the condition of human life through the gateway of human birth (Through the Virgin Mary: Luke 1:27, Mat 1:18) and became the God-Man.
---Ramon on 8/25/06


Earl. Your question is best answer in the Gospel according to John.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".

John begins his Gospel by calling Jesus "the word" (Gk logos). Christ was preexistent "with God" before the creation of the world(Col 1:15). He was a person existing from eternity, distinct from but in eternal fellowship with God the father.
---Ramon on 8/25/06


greetings ,thanks for reply,for ryan,how can the 'Word'not know the complete 'Truth' and 'Spirit'?it would seem that for what one person in the trinity knows ,all know ?in addition to this ,the word in the trinity would be without full expression for over 30 years?is it true that it takes three to make a trinity in all aspects and would all knowing at all times be included?are they(the three) not (one) and the (same)spiritually?
---earl on 8/25/06


earl, I agree with Ramon. Yes Jesus has been established in His glory and He is now in full and infinite knowledge. Although I don't like labeling God the Father #1 & Jesus the Son # 2 & the conforter the Holy Spirit # 3. They are all equal they are all God.
---Ryan on 8/25/06


greetings,thanks for reply,for ramon ,how can one of the persons of the trinity not have infinite knowledge at any time ?for if one did not then would the trinity be comprimised,and the trinity would cease to exist?did you say the second person(jesus) being absent from completeness of infinite knowledge for thirty something years is your reply?thanks
---earl on 8/25/06


Earl. Yes. Since Jesus has return to his former Glory (being the 2nd person of the Trinity) he has infinite knowledge. All the persons in the Trinity are equal.
---Ramon on 8/24/06


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greetings ,for ryan,do you think jesus has infinite knowledge now,after his assention ,as a second person of the trinity ?or does jesus' statement "my Father is greater than i" stand throughout the universe?
---earl on 8/24/06


earl, the WILL of the three in the trinity is the same. When Christ became full man there is no indication in scripture that He retained infinite knowledge. He did the will of the Father through the Spirit. Jesus had the Spirit and matured in the Spirit and had the wisdom of God. He was the perfect example of man's complete submission to God.
---Ryan on 8/23/06


greetings to all who replied,ryan if you please,are the thoughts of the three in the trinity one and the same?and did you say jesus did not possess the full mind of his Father as a mortal?
---earl on 8/23/06


In this parable Jesus is the merchant seeking fine pearls. Having found a pearl of great worth (The Church) He sold all He had (Left His position in heaven) and bought it (We are bought with His blood)
When Jesus came to earth He was temporarily lower than the angels. He was man and as man He did not have all the knowledge of God. As man, being led by the Spirit, He set the example.
---Ryan on 8/23/06


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earl, the answer to your question is in this parable:
Mat 13:45,46 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking fine pearls, and upon finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had and bought it.
---Ryan on 8/23/06


Earl.#3. Certainly now Jesus, who has return to his former glory(John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was") has knowledge of his future return.
The only time he is not equal is by position(person), never in nature.All three are called God, the Father calls the Son God in Heb.1 the Son calls the Father God.The Holy Spirit is called God in Acts 5:3-4. All three simultaneously exist.
---Ramon on 8/23/06


Earl.#2.There is a very good reason for this because. Contrary to those who claim the Son of God means less than God it actually affirmed his deity. Jesus is Equal with God. All three persons in the Trinity are Equal.

Matthew 24:36. This verse speaks of only the Father knowing the time of Christ's return. We must understand this as referring to the time when Christ was on Earth.
---Ramon on 8/23/06


Earl.Jn.10:30: " I and my father are one" this is not a numerical one, Jesus is not saying he is the father. they are not one person but in nature they are a united one. It actually reads we are one in Greek the first person plural esmen . Examining his claim further "I and my Father are one."
The Jews pick up stones because they understood this as blasphemy in vs. 36 Jesus interprets what he meant by saying because I said, "I am the Son of God."
---Ramon on 8/23/06


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phil the elder ,greetings. thanks for your reply and will you again elaborate please on another ;the trinity; statement; "my Father and i are one"
---earl on 8/23/06


** Because Jesus and the Holy Spirit are only second echelon members in the Trinity subservient to Yahwah.**
* W * R * O * N * G * !!!
There are NO "levels" in the Trinity.
All three Persons are equal.
---Jack on 8/23/06


(3.)Phil_the_Elder , .....No, He was talking about our Current Body of Clay. God is all powerful, and will Santify our souls and body if we YIELD them to Him. Being holy and righteous has nothing to do with ourselves, and everything to do with God. What God declares holy, no man should call unclean! --Mrs. Morgan.
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/23/06


2.) Phil_the_Elder , When Jesus came to earth wrapped in clay, like us, He not only came to save us from our sins, but to Teach Us How To Treat God, How To Live Before Him, etc. Jesus is our Perfect Example! Thank Goodness He came! He taught us how to Think, how to Live the RIGHT WAY, in our BODIES OF CLAY. Some don't believe that it's possible to live holy in our body of clay, but the Word has proved them wrong. Jesus said to be ye perfect, in our glorified body?
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/23/06


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Phil_the_Elder , what are you talking about? When Jesus came to earth, He came in a form of man, a little lower than the angels. He was very God and very man, the Son of man. ALL MEMBERS OF THE TRINITY ARE EQUAL. When Jesus was on earth, he was teaching us how live and how to yield to God, how to pray in a BODY OF CLAY. Jesus made it very clear that He was equal with God, but some have confused His statements because they don't FULLY understand where Jesus was coming from. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/23/06


I Believe Jesus could have known. Just as he could have called 12 legions of Angels. I do not believe that one of the Trinity outranks the other two. I believe when Jesus said "the father and I are one" that that denotes total equality. But the fact that Jesus Christ has taken on a human body does somehow make him subjective to the spiritual father. Great question!!
---mima on 8/23/06


Because Jesus and the Holy Spirit are only second echelon members in the Trinity subservient to Yahwah. Jesus knew is place in the trinity and reinforced that point many time in his teachings.
---Phil_the_Elder on 8/23/06


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