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Is Jesus' Blood In Heaven

Do you believe the following verse means that Jesus carried his own blood to heaven? "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Hebrews 9:12

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I do believe that Jesus precious blood is in Heaven. That blood did not fall into the ground and that would be the end of it. Our God is not that kind of God. And when we come to believe on Christ, we are saved for all eternity. That is the effacacy and power in Christ's blood. If you believe that we are saved by grace, and grace alone, it has to be that way. Otherwise it's our works that saves us and keeps us saved. If Christ's blood doesn't have the power to keep me saved, what hope do I have in my puny little works. Christ's blood alone saves me and keeps me saved. Salvation is of the Lord. God begins the work of faith in us, and continues it until the very end. I believe the bible clearly teaches this. I thank God for His Grace!
---Nancy_Weber on 2/20/11


4. You Morgan are teaching a men-centered theology. Base on the works of the indiviual. Your words deceive others and you will be held responsible. Salvation is by grace alone, and not even you are worthy of it.
---lisa on 10/23/07


I believe that Jesus' blood type is O NEG -- Universal Donor.
He shed his blood so that any can be saved, giving the gifts of Free Salvation and Eternal Life.
---JohnT on 9/5/06


Bruce5656 , I'm going to take a little break from the Blogs, I have a lot of work to do in September, God Bless. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/31/06


PART ONE:
Mrs Morgan,
There are lots of things in the bible that have a very plain meaning and when spiritualized something is lost.

An example is Mark 16:18. Someone asked for an explanation of this passage. There was a person here who would go on at great length about how this has to do with overcoming Satan (the serpent) etc. never once touching on the original truth contained in it.
---Bruce5656 on 8/31/06




PART TWO:
Yet the passage has a plain and simple message. One that is very specific and when "spiritualized" is lost. That message is that there is no safer place to be than in the will of God.

We see a specific fulfillment of this promise when Paul was bitten by the serpent from the fire and not harmed. Acts 28:3-6 It was never intended to be some spiritually profound message about over coming satan or his poison etc.
---Bruce5656 on 8/31/06


Bruce, Since you keep pushing this issue, I would like to point out that in the "What is the Mind of Christ" Blog , you stated :"You can spiritualize this all day long but the fact is that Paul gave a very specific answer already..." . Bruce, why would you say that we should not Spiritualize the Word, or certain parts of It? The Word is Spiritual ,period. This is probably why we are not seeing eye to eye in some issues,I Spiritualize the Whole Word,not just parts of It.
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/31/06


You need to read "All" of Hebrews as well as the OT,Lev.,how incomplete it was until Jesus Came.
No one could enter into the Presence of God.
The priests entered once a year,and they made a rememberance once a year of SIN.

"Entering Once" This is why it's called "the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST". It's Finished.
When we receive Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of Sins, and are crucified with Him, we too can say, "It's Finished and enter into His Rest".
---kathr4453 on 8/31/06


Mrs. Morgan, you said, "Everyone has the right to their opinion". Having opinions are OK as long as they go hand and hand with scripture. Without opinion, only by the scriptures, show me where the scriptures even come close to saying that carnal sinless blood can make it to heaven.
---Billy on 8/31/06


Mrs. Morgan, if you read all of the scripture it say what type of flesh and blood can't inherit the kingdom.

1Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Christs literal carnal blood was not took to heaven. even though his blood was sin free, it was still corruptable. If his flesh and blood body, were to have been in the tomb any longer than what it was, it would have begun to stink and decay.
---Billy on 8/31/06




Semantics?
I made it clear that you were using language that means we are to worship the blood. Words like venerate and revere. I asked you if you had used the wrong words and wanted to retract them. You did not.

Where is the "semantics" in that?
---Bruce5656 on 8/30/06


Mrs. Morgan, I don't know what a saved person's changed and or resurrected body will be like. I over looked the word "flesh" in 1Cor.15:50.
---creamcup on 8/30/06


Bruce5656 , I already told you my answer, but for some reason you keep pushing this, could this be "Semantics" on your part? or something else? only you and God knows. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/30/06


Mrs M::Sorry for being so concise & selfexplanitory.I have no disrespect for our Saviour, who shed His divine blood.Far be it from me to have caused you to think otherwise.I think His act of love was of more importance by His saying "Greater love hath no Man who would lay down his LIFE for his friends."The CC also venerates His Precious Blood..That is why we reverence it in the tradition of The Holy Eucharist,& follow His Command "He who eats my B&B, I live in Him & He in Me"
---Emcee on 8/30/06


Mrs Morgan,
Or could it be that faced with the inconsitinces of your stand that you find it indefensible? After all, my question is very simple.
---Bruce5656 on 8/30/06


Bruce , just like I told Emcee, I'm not going to discuss this further, it may get to the point that some may Blaspheme. --Mrs.Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/30/06


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Mrs Morgan,
How would one go a about venerating the blood?

I know how to venerate Jesus. (Praise you Jesus, You are holy, I worship you Jesus)

Is that how we venerate the blood? (Praise you blood of Jesus, You are holy, I worship you blood of Jesus)
---Bruce5656 on 8/30/06


Emcee, So you think I am "obsessed" with the Divine Blood of Jesus which can't Be Separted from Him? That comment/way of reasoning alone is EXTREMELY SUSPECT, it is not from God. This ends my discussion with you in regard to The Divine Blood of Jesus, Emcee. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/30/06


PART ONE:
Mrs Morgan,

There is world of difference between "honor" and "venerate." Are you retracting your prior statement?

If someone found a lock of Jesus' hair. Should we worship it too?
---Bruce5656 on 8/30/06


PART TWO:
This reminds me about the time the people were so wrapped up in the minutia of the law that they could not see the lawgiver. (John 5:39) Jesus wanted them to see it was not about the word (God's holy word), it was about the giver of the word. Similarly, it is not about the blood it is about the Lamb who's blood was split.
---Bruce5656 on 8/30/06


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2Cor 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
[16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
---Billy on 8/30/06


Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[2] Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
[3] And this will we do, if God permit.
---Billy on 8/30/06


Mrs M::Jesus,said"Follow me"(by example)This obcession of yours with the blood issue is misguiding.He redeemed the world shedding His sacred Blood to the LAST drop obeying His Father;showing His love for Humanity & opening the Gates of Heaven. But, all men's Blood is contaminated with sin even yours.Blood is a necessity for the Earthly Body NOT the heavenly body which exists Forever.Your theory. if followed. says NO man will enter Heaven because of Contaminated Blood.would you agree?
---Emcee on 8/30/06


Bruce5656, (2.)If we don't honor the Divine Blood as much as we do Jesus, we are not honoring the Whole Jesus, give me the Whole Jesus, the Whole Word. Why would you try to Separate anything from which it is Connected to? We Worship God and He can't be Separated from His Son, We Worship Jesus, and He can't be Separted from His Father, We Worship God who can't be Separated from the Holy Ghost. What makes you think that Any Part of Jesus, could be Separated from Him? --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/30/06


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Karen,(3.).....But it is Your Once Saved Always Saved Teachings that you hold so fast to, that is "Truly" Men-centered Theology, because it is a theology that promotes the "Natural Man" way of Thinking/living, and not the "Spiritual Man" way of Thinking/living, which is to Walk/Think in the Spirit, and not the Flesh.
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/30/06


Karen, (2.)It is so ironic that you are accusing people of practicing a Men-centered theology, because they believe in Walking in the Spirit(Obeying God, Honoring His Holy Commandments, Abiding in His Truth).....
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/30/06


Karen , (1.) You keep talking about "Men-centered Theology, so I googled that phrase, Men-centered Theology, and the first two entries that came up were your posts...
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/30/06


creamcup, (II.) Correction :part I. Should read :You are saying that you don't believe that God's people will have blood in their Glorified Bodies?---Adam &Eve had undefiled blood in their immortal body before they sinned but it was contaiminated when sin entered, thus they lost their immortality, God said they would. So I disagree with you in about God's People being bloodless in their glorified bodies, they will have blood, undefiled blood, like Adam and Eve once had.
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/30/06


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creamcup, (I.)You are saying that you don't believe that God's people won't have Blood in their Glorified Bodies, I don't agree with that. Everyone has the right to their opinion. --You gave the Scipture :Flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, I believe this means "Flesh and Blood" that is sin-contaiminated....
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/29/06


Bruce5656, (1.)Your very questions shows that you are attempting to Separate Jesus from His own Divine Blood, what is that all about? I honor/worship the Whole Jesus, His Hands His Feet, His Blood, Bruce do you think that the woman who kissed Jesus' Feet was honoring just His feet? That's rediculous, she was honoring the Whole Jesus, His feet is a Part of Him.
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/29/06


(2.)There are Many type and shadows of the Blood of the New Covenant in the Old Testament. I am not going to speak further on the topic of "Is Jesus' Blood In Heaven", sufficient Scripture has been given. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/29/06


Donna2277/Creamcup, (1.)Mima already gave the Scripture regarding this: (Hebrews 9:12) "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." --Also review this Scripture :(Leviticus 17:11)"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul".
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/29/06


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Hebrews 9:24 tells Jesus went to heaven. It doesn't mention his blood or where it is.
Mrs. Morgan it's ok to write your opinions, but you should say you believe or think it. It certainly is not right to say or write things about Jesus/God as fact, when you can't back it up with scripture.
When we are changed I believe we won't have blood. 1Cor. 15:42-50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51-54
---creamcup on 8/29/06


Lisa, Thank's for telling me more about what is going on, and who you were addressing. We should pray Lupe will come back, when he is ready. It is upsetting to me, when people would rather believe a man made religion, than what scripture says. None of us are right all the time, that is why it is important to back up what we say with scripture. Then we can see if it was taken out of context or not in the Bible at all.
---Creamcup on 8/29/06


Lisa thanks for your incouragement. Coming from someone of your ability it really means something to me.
May God Bless all of your efforts for Him and when you just get tired of it "all."
---Elder on 8/29/06


Mrs Morgan,
I cannot believe that Mr. Angley would teach that we are to worship the blood. Although I will be very surprised if I get a response back, I have written him asking for clarification on the matter.
---Bruce5656 on 8/29/06


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2. We are fighting people that want to change the doctrine itself. It is a hard fight because God gets attack from all directions. Yet, in the end His word will never fail. Men has tried to be in control even taking the glory that belongs to God for themselves. Men-centered all the way. It is our duty not to give up, and that is why we need to keep fighting for the truth, and let God do as He pleases with His word. Elder, you have given a great explanation. Again thank you for your work for Christ.
---lisa on 8/29/06


Good morning creamcup, I was speaking to Morgan. I got an email from Lupe that he was not posting anymore, maybe for a while I hope. He wrote a few on line about his decision. And no, Alan, he is not my dad. I am 53 years old, and his friend and sister in Christ. Though we all don't agree with every little detail in Scripture, most of us have some understanding about "justification by Faith." It is centered around God, not men. We have a battle going on here
---lisa on 8/29/06


Jack ::I agree the point was His blood Not His divine Nature.To me the question is illogical &unwarranted we know He is arisen alive & He is the alpha & omega: so the question of whether His blood is in heaven in my opinion is irrelevant & has nothing to do with salvation & how we conduct ourselves on this earth in respect to His commands & His authorities.
---Emcee on 8/28/06


Elder - I understand now what you are saying and yes, there were many others that died by crucifixion. However, it should never be said in any shape or form that Jesus' death was like any other. Jesus was the only One ever crucified Who was perfect and without sin.
---Helen_5378 on 8/28/06


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Bruce5656 , The answer to your question is Yes, my minister does preach that to venerate the Divine Blood of Jesus is synonymous with venerating Jesus Himself. BTW Bruce, my church is non-denominational.--Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/28/06


Helen, crucifixion was execution by being nailed to a cross. It was used a lot as punishment for slaves and non-Romans. Crucifixion followed a course which almost always included scourging. It was devised by the Romans and had been practiced for years.
Christ crucifixion was no different from any other performed.
Cond #2
---Elder on 8/28/06


Cond #2
It was Jesus that was different. He laid out His body, hands and feet willingly. He didn't curse His executers.
There was nothing different in His crucifixion from the two on either side of Him. All three were performed under and by Roman law.
Jesus' death and resurrection was what was different. If He had not resurrected we would still be lost in sin.
Cond #3
---Elder on 8/28/06


Cond #3
Remember the song.
Living He loved me,
Dying He saved me,
Buried He carried my sins far away,
Rising He Justified, freely forever someday He's coming, Oh glorious day.
His Crucifixion was just like any other. Everything else was different.
---Elder on 8/28/06


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Mrs. Morgan,
Incidently, to answer your question about my chruch afiliation. It is Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada. The closest thing in the US is the Assemblies of God. We consider our selves "sister" fellowships.
---Bruce5656 on 8/28/06


PART ONE:
Mima,
Yes the bible says those things about the blood. It also says:

The Cross
-is the power of God I Cor I:18
-is to be gloried in Gal 6:14
-crucifies the world to us Gal 6:14
-reconciles us unto God Eph 2:16
-has it's enemies Phil 3:18
-what it is that Christ endured to be set down at the Father's right hand.
---Bruce5656 on 8/28/06


PART TWO:
Now, here is the point
CROSS and BLOOD are synonymous.

It is no more scripturally correct to emphasize the blood than it is the cross.

What is it that these two things have in common?

Ephesians 5:2, "And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour."
---Bruce5656 on 8/28/06


PART THREE:
Hebrews 9:26, "For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

Hebrews 10:12, "But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;"
---Bruce5656 on 8/28/06


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PART FOUR:
Talk about, preach about and glory in the blood (and I do.)
Talk about, preach about and glory in the blood (and I do.)
Talk about, preach about and glory in the cross (and I do.)

But understand that it is the brutal, bloody sacrifice of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world (Rev 13:18) that you are talking about when you talk about the blood and the cross.
---Bruce5656 on 8/28/06


PART FIVE:
The Cross is the instrument. The blood is the offering. The sacrifice is the event.

BUT (Mrs. Morgan) Do not worship the cross or the blood. Worship the Lamb.

Mrs. Morgan. Did you see my question?

I am wondering what your pastor would say about this discussion. Do you really thing Mr. Angley would agree that we are to venerate the blood?
---Bruce5656 on 8/28/06


**Once we are dead the blood is not required.Besides HE IS GOD & does not need Blood to survive so the question is MOOT.**

But Jesus isn't dead. He's risen from the dead and alive forevermore.

And He remains eternally in His human nature, which is resurrected and glorified, along with His divine nature.
---Jack on 8/28/06


Lisa, Who were to you speaking to when you were speaking to on behalf of Lupe? Just thought you should clarify.
I never heard the term men-centered theology before, so I looked it up online. It was interesting.
---creamcup on 8/28/06


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Death was the reason Jesus shed His blood "to the last drop". Life is in the blood and when Jesus died His Blood died with Him.
---Helen_5378 on 8/28/06


Mima--Jesus, having a human body would need human blood. Heb. 2:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels, but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like His brethern, that He might be a merciful and faithful high priest..."
Literal "blood" cannot cleanse or purge, in fact, it leaves a stain. Literal blood is the only kind that could be "carried" to heaven. But aren't we speaking of SPIRITUAL effects, here?
---Donna2277 on 8/28/06


To those who use italic, it is very hard to read. Bold writing makes the sentences around it hard to see, and make a complete sentence. If you have your heart set on using wierd print, I can just skip over the post.
---creamcup on 8/28/06


Morgan, you should back up what you say with scripture, and not just part of what you say. "Jesus said that only a few will make it to heaven (I agree). Those Few will Have the Blood of Jesus, those Many others will not. Where is the blood of Jesus? In heaven and in the souls of the redeemed." Talk about adding to scriture and the meaning there of. What verse in scriture says the blood of Jesus will be in the souls of the redeemed? Do not tell me to read the OT to find it.
---creamcup on 8/28/06


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Creamcup , God created Adam in holy perfection, His blood was not marred with sin when he was created. Adam was to live forever, he was immortal, but God warned Adam that if he disobeyed, that day he would die, in other words death/sin would be working in him , in his soul. When Adam sinned, sin got into his bloodline,marred it, thus it ruined the bloodline for all of mankind. This is why we needed a Second Adam, Jesus. Jesus is our Second Adam, and He did not fail like the first one did.
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/28/06


Mima::I dont as a rule respond to blogs of this type as I consider them unwarranted .Jesus was incarnate God & man as man He needed blood,for bodily functions which He shed for us to the last drop,As a spirit He has no body & therefore does not need Blood.Once we are dead the blood is not required.Besides HE IS GOD & does not need Blood to survive so the question is MOOT.
---Emcee on 8/28/06


Mima, Why wouldn't Adam's blood be human? He was created a human. Adam was not the Son of God like Jesus.
---Creamcup on 8/28/06


Where else would His blood be?
---sue on 8/28/06


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I think there is a verse in the Bible which states neither flesh nor blood can enter Heaven,but I couldn't find it, or remember where it is,does anyone know that verse? Thanks for any help.
---Darlene_1 on 8/28/06


Since the Father determines the blood type of the baby the question arises, who was the Father of baby Jesus? Well we are certain that God through his Holy Spirit is the Father of baby Jesus. So someone has asked was Jesus' blood human? What do you say? what do you think? And while pondering these questions consider this question, was Adam's blood human blood?
---mima on 8/28/06


**Hello All, I'm not going to post much today as I am studing the roots and beginnings of major False Doctrines, starting with a popular one called Once Saved Always Saved/Eternal Securtiy. I will be posting again in the soon coming days. God Bless. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/28/06


In considering this question perhaps we should keep in mind what the Scriptures say about the blood.

The blood of the Lord Jesus Christ can-
purge Hebrews 9:14
make us nigh Ephesians 2:13
can be sprinkled 1st Peter 1:2
is precious 1st Peter 1:19
cleanseth us from all sin 1st John1:7
---mima on 8/28/06


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IV. You are like the Word Faith preachers who speak lots of words, mixing truth with lies together so that others will not catch on to you. And as I can see you do have a few followers, and people like you will always get them cause you can convince the one's that don't know Scripture very well, and believe in your words. Many so call Christians speak so smoothly that others don't notice the lies you put in.
---karen on 8/28/06


Lisa ... I hope you will encourage Lupe to return here. His views are important, and he is a good influence on us. If we lose Lupe, we will lose one of the gentlemen of the site.
& if he feels he can't come back here, please ask him to write privately to me, & give him my best wishes for God's blessings on him and on his family. (Are you his daughter?)
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/28/06


Helen ... # 2 I think Elder was meaning in a physical way. (Many have indeed suffered even more horrific physical deaths)
But the Resurrection is what makes it special, because it is the Proof that this really was God dying for us, and not just a deluded man who thought he was suffering to save others.
And it is the Resurrection that gives us our promise for the Eternal Future
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/28/06


Helen ... # 1 Yes of course Jesus' death was special, as He died carrying all our sins. And you are quite right that He is the only one who has had that particular spiritual burden at the time of death
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/28/06


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III. because you are a great person, and now you say His blood is in our souls. You are "in Christ" but through a relationship, The Holy Spirit continues the work that Christ begin in your life, and He is not restricted to a space but is Spirit and is everywhere. What you have is the imputation of Christ righeousness covering your filthy body. You speak of the blood as the Catholics do by making it come real and sacraficing Jesus every Sunday as they do. The blood is symbolic only.
---karen on 8/28/06


II. You say that "if the blood of Christ is not in your soul you are not entering the Kingdom of heaven" There is no Scripture to that account at all. You take anything and make Scripture what you want to make it. First you have to earn your way in, then you have put conditions in going in. When all Scripture declares that you are saved by His word, His faith, Him granting you repentance. That believing in the death and resurrection of the Lord you shall be saved to working your way in
---karen on 8/28/06


Mrs M Again you lose me! Jesus gave His whole human life as a Sacrifice for us. What is different between that sacrifice when it is expressed in that way, and what you call "Blood Sacrifice"
Blood has always been thought to be an essential of Life, what carries our life round our bodies (that's not technically corect, but yuo know what I mean) So Blood Sacrifice is a synonym for the sacrifice of our lives.
What difference do the words make?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/28/06


Morgan, you have taken the gosple of Jesus and turned it around to your liking. You say you need to have an ear to hear, but you don't hear anything. You say you use to read the bible and now you read it spiritual and get everything. A person has to have the eye to see and the ear to hear, and those two are given by God. Just like repentance and grace and faith. Now you speak about the blood and as Bruce has explained make a mockery of the blood and give a whole new way for salvation.
---karen on 8/28/06


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Mrs M ... i find it quite difficult to envisage just what you are trying to say. If we accept Christ's sacrifice for us, is that insufficient? What extra do you mean with all your emphasis on the Blood of Jesus being needed. And how do we get it?
What extra you have over someone who has been saved & born again?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/28/06


Mima: You are confusing me. First you say that the "glorified body of Jesus has no blood." Now you say "[H]e carried his own blood into heaven and placed it on the mercy seat." Which is it? I also do not agree that blood contamination was the reason that he told Mary not to touch Him.
---jerry6593 on 8/28/06


I would like to clarify my last post, A comma is vital.

"It means that the atonement of His sacrifice is all sufficient and complete. For those of us who believe that, our redemption is sure and eternal." :0)
---Josef on 8/28/06


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