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Does God Bless Revolutions

Do you believe the American Revolution was blessed by God. Before your answer please remember that it was against the accepted rulers and leaders of the day.

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God sent His children of Israel into battle for one purpose only, His glorification. What glorification has America brought God? Look at the terminology of our world; As a country America defines themselves as a "SuperPower." The only super power is God. Which part than of America glorifies God? Our pride, our greed, the fact that half of the marriages fail, or how about the major one of all our need for war?
---Ryan on 9/15/07


jack - Jesus lived in a theocracy, but didn't endorse any one form of human government.

Speaking of the Plymouth Colony, William Bradford the first Governor, describes the failure of communal living (primitive socialism) which some might compare to the early church,"having all things in common".The colony nearly starved before using what Bradford seemed to feel was more Godly, a form of free enterprise.

Men may corrupt any form of government, but democracy seems most egalitarian.
---Donna2277 on 8/29/06


[Jack's quote] the idea that God blessed a revolution against the established civil authority of 200+ years doesn't exactly jive with the idea expressed in other blogs that God won't bless a marriage entered into "against the norms of marriage established by us" in the civil sphere, does it? [end quote]

Thanks, Jack, because I'm over here scratching my head on this one too. ;)
---AlwaysOn on 8/29/06


Jack-- I know the men you mentioned were dieists. And I'm not sure that all the "Christian" founders would even be considered Christian by Evangelicals of today. But there certainly was some Christian influence in early American history and documents, though it's not "politically correct" to mention it.

My heritage also pre-dates the Revolution in New England. My father was a deist...a 32 degree Mason... a Unitarian, in fact.
---Donna2277 on 8/28/06


Question:

Did Jesus proclaim the Democracy of God?

Did He proclaim the Republic of God?

Or did Jesus proclaim the Kingdom of God?

Which form of human government best reflects what Jesus proclaimed?
---Jack on 8/28/06




No one is saying that all the colonists were Deists--though many in the Masachusetts and Plymoth colonies were Unitarians, or headed in that direction.

However, it is a historical fact that many of the founding fathers WERE Deists, or at best, cultural conventional Christians of the day.
---Jack on 8/28/06


Mima, somehow the idea that God blessed a revolution against the established civil authority of 200+ years doesn't exactly jive with the idea expressed in other blogs that God won't bless a marriage entered into "against the norms of marriage established by us" in the civil sphere, does it?
---Jack on 8/28/06


Donna; The signers of the Mayflower Compact,(some were my ancesters) were Calvinist. Most bloggers here are fundamentalist/Baptist, people of such theological bent, which existed then were hanged, along with Catholics, if they arrived in Puritan areas.
By Deist I refer specifically to Americas founders, Jefferson, Paine, Adams, Madison.-In 1640 there were no Deist yet.
---MikeM on 8/27/06


God accomplished astounding feats in the church and the spreading of the word through horrific persecution by the Roman Empire. It doesn't matter what secular government the church grows under. We cannot attribute the growth of the church to a nation. If the nation is oppressive it does not matter to God He will deliver His message with as much Godly authority as He would through a nation like America.
---Ryan on 8/27/06


Sure Jack, this is only one site that has some of the documentation. There are old history books, I wish i could name them right off hand. I have read it before and I happen to love American and American Indian history. There is a diary of my great great on down the line named Methoataske too. I happen to have a copy. She wrote it down too.
---Amy9384 on 8/27/06




"Having undertaken, for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith..." Before the Revolution, the Mayflower Compact stated the motives of many early colonists (certainly not Deists). I believe God granted independence to the U.S. so their mission could be fulfilled.

From the late 1700's til now, the U.S. has sent missionaries to most of the known world. The last 50 yrs. have seen the near demise of Christianity in the U.S., but God HAS accomplished much thru this nation.
---Donna2277 on 8/27/06


**Yes. If you read the old history books it really tells some interesting stories about God, prayer and bullet holes in clothes with no bullet or other damage. **

Amy, can you give any documentation of this: names, dates, places, and where it can be verified?
---Jack on 8/27/06


Ryan; every Christian in America glorifies God and is evidence of fruit in America. For all of her faults America has been greatly used by God, principally to hold up and provide for Israel.
---mima on 8/27/06


The colonial founders of America were devout, mostly Calvinist. The founders of the American nation were mostly Deist and Freemasons. Masonic termenology is found all over Washington D.C.-and in the Constitution. Saying America is a 'Christian nation" is an oxymoron.
My ancesters were confederates, who prayed to Jesus for victory. The Yankees also prayed to Jesus, for victory Now who was confused, man or God?
---MikeM on 8/27/06


I recall in scripture Sarah saying to Abraham "may God judge between you and me."
I think he had two visions for this land that he had to compare as the world of men slugged it out strategized how to bring about the desires they had within.
One group was concerned with personal glory and another with personal freedom.
We have to remember God had a vision for the future and it's being played out to this day or the revolution would have failed.
---Pharisee on 8/27/06


amy, I read one story about washington having a number of bullett holes in his clothes after a battle, many of which should have penetrated his flesh but didn,t.
---tom2 on 8/26/06


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Yes. If you read the old history books it really tells some interesting stories about God, prayer and bullet holes in clothes with no bullet or other damage. God worked through many rebels...and I am thankful.
---Amy9384 on 8/26/06


It is true that the conservative Bible believers of the 18th century were Royalists, and the ideological leaders of the American Revolution were disciples of the Enlightenment (now called Secular Humanism) who would hardly be welcome into the membership of most American evangelical churches.
Whether the Revolution was "blessed by God" can be debated. But it cannot be denied that the outcome was in His providence and at least permissive will.
---Jack on 8/26/06


#2 America has thrived, from its conception, on war. We had a war to free ourselves, than a war amongst ourselves, let us not forget the first and second world war and all the skirmeshes between than and now. So I will ask one more time; What part of America glorifies God and where is the spiritual evidence of fruit within America?
---Ryan on 8/26/06


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