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Why All The Christian Bickering

Is anyone else disappointed at the constant bickering and name calling between so called "Christians"? ie Reformed Churches and Catholic Church

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 ---Shane on 8/27/06
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tofurably and Eric, I stand with you both..I like your answers and yes I stand by the KJV..whatever everyone else standby is their own decision and its ok with me..God bless.
---jana on 5/30/07

Yep, alot of times I feel like I have just been kicked in the stomach, but I try to take no offense and pretend it is just wind blowing through my hair, I am College Educated, however, I may have common sense for the most part, yet, finding myself in need of learning from you guys I don't pretend to have all the answers, only to be met with ridicule, it makes me sad.
---Cynthia_1 on 5/24/07

How did you make the leap from Southern Baptist to Orthodox, Jack?
---SodaPop on 5/23/07

I find the site very informative and a lot of committed christians here. There is a lot of help and education for everyone, if they will receive it and believe. I do not want to fight, bicker with anyone. I do not have any intentions of causing anyone to stumble. We should do all thing with love and grace. Love all.
---Robyn on 5/23/07

It does not matter what our denomination is. But one thing we all need and that is: to be born again. According to God's way and no other. No church is going to save us in the end. Please read Rom 10:9-13 and St John 3:16 and I Peter 1:23 and Acts 4:12.
---Robyn on 5/23/07

Speaking as an Orthodox who was raised a Southern Baptist, what many of the Evangelicals here are saying about Roman Catholicism simply is not true, or is a very warped and inaccurate view of what this church actually says and does and teaches.

When people use such terms as "pit of hell" and "witchcraft" to describe it, I agree it does not improve matters.
---Jack on 5/23/07

Jack, I notice you always say your bible is of the original greek. what name is it called may I ask e.g KJV etc? what date was it written? Am just interested as I collect old bibles and cant get anything older than 1901. Thanks brother.
---jana on 9/16/06

Eloy, I would assume that "dogs" are people lost, right? If they are lost, why should you not take the gospel to them? I believe it is the "good news" to the lost, and what you say is only, "bad news". How can you evangelize if you don't go to the lost? Instead of condemning them, which they are already, you should be winning them to Christ, first, with Love. Where is your love?
---lisa on 9/3/06

excellent point tofurabby
---mike on 8/31/06

how your OT is arranged??? what are you talking about??? The OT was in Hebrew anyway, not Greek.

I do apologize though Jack, I didnt realize you owned the original Greek. Many of us thought they no longer existed.
---tofurabby on 8/31/06

**"Your bibles" is whatever one you prefer to stand on. All the modern ones are corrupt and they aid in creating strange doctrines. Doctrines like many of those you are peddling.**

Actually, I get my doctrines from the original Greek, which predates the KJV by 1611 years. What's so strange about what I'm saying.

YOu seem to know so much how my OT is arranged. Tell me exactly.
---Jack on 8/31/06

Jack, who said you were RC?

you said "I myself prefer to stand on something that's not been changed so much." after trying to discredit the KJV.

"Your bibles" is whatever one you prefer to stand on. All the modern ones are corrupt and they aid in creating strange doctrines. Doctrines like many of those you are peddling.
---tofurabby on 8/30/06

tom2, You misquoted the scriptures of out context. Jesus said, "Misjudge not, that you all be not misjudged." Jesus commands us to judge: "Judge righteous judgment." Matthew 7:1; John 7:24. We are not to abuse the gift of love by giving what is holy to dogs, neither set our pearls in front of swine. Matthew 7:6. We take up our cross and defend the gospel. We hate every false way, and we cleave to that which is good.
---Eloy on 8/30/06

Shane, your post demonstrates groce ignorance of history and fundamental truths. Many faithful saints have been martyred because their convictions were reduced, by others, to mere point of view & their refusal to compromise was disdained & dismissed as anti-social non-compliance. If there is nothing (truth) worth dieing for, there is nothing (faithfulness) worth living for. Jesus is true & faithful, He died & rose again, and so will the faithful!
---Geoff on 8/30/06

pride,we bicker, instead of correct each other in love.we take correction poorly.we talk as though God has written his word and intentionally confused us.thats satan job. he did it to eve.Gods not confused ,we are, and full of pride,and darkness.scripture tells us that jesus did not fully reveal himself for most of his ministry. why? cause he knew mens hearts and the apostles were bickering constantly.
---tom2 on 8/29/06

and this command I give you, that you love one another as I have loved you ,by this may men know that you are my disciples.Oh but that we would remember this scripture BEFORE we open our mouths.
---tom2 on 8/29/06

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I wonder how dissapointed God is??we all know the issue that the catholic church swept under the rug. but I have said something again against Gods word. JUDGE NOT lest ye be judged, for with the measure you judge so shall you be judged.
---tom2 on 8/29/06

pride comes before a fall.let me say that actually there is not a thing christian about bickering with anyone.though I must admit at times I,am as guilty as the next.Praise God he is helping me to overcome.
---tom2 on 8/29/06

**The apocrypha was separated from the Old and New Testament with authors notes stating it was only added for historical value. Your bibles integrate it into the OT.**

What do you mean MY Bibles?

Have you not read when I have REPEATEDLY pointed out that I'm NOT a RC?
---Jack on 8/29/06

The behavior mentioned just shows that few Christians are as "Christlike" as they'd like to believe. But that's hardly a surprise, is it?

Jesus wasn't always popular, but He wasn't proud or contentious.

It's not difficult to give the appearance of "Christ-likeness" when everyone agrees. If nothing else, this site is a spiritual challenge.
---Donna2277 on 8/29/06

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The KJV revisions idea is a myth. They were nothing more than print errors and spelling changes. I have an 1611 reprint (with apocrypha) and if read side by side with a normal KJV they still are word for word. Spelling is drastically different, yes, but the content is word for word the same. The apocrypha was separated from the Old and New Testament with authors notes stating it was only added for historical value. Your bibles integrate it into the OT.
---tofurabby on 8/29/06

What do you expect? We are in the last days.
---Lynn on 8/29/06

jack, Good trees bear righteous fruit, and bad trees bear sinuous fruit. "It is enough for THE DISCIPLE that he BE AS HIS MASTER, AND THE SERVANT AS HIS LORD. If they have called the Master of the house Beelzebub, how much more them of his household? Whoever stays in him sins not. He that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." Matthew 10:25; I John 3:6,7,9.
---Eloy on 8/29/06

Would it be fair to say anyone who shares here can teach AND learn something? I have learned here not to dare question the KJV translation; never admit to having fellowship with J.W.s, Mormans, R.C.s, UPCs, or others without proper documentation. BUT, the more the group is narrowed, the more narrow the group will be. Is it fear of being swayed? What a wonder it would be to first accept others, then share our own way with them and they with us, hoping to center us all on Christ.
---mikefl on 8/28/06

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**There are not many of us left that will stand on the KJV. **

What ever did the church do for 1611 years before the KJV was published?
And which KJV do you mean?
I really doubt you have a copy of the original 1611 edition with the Apocrypha.
You probably have the 1769 revision.
Or maybe the American Bible Society's recension of 1904, normalized according to American spellings.
I myself prefer to stand on something that's not been changed so much.
---Jack on 8/28/06

tofurby: I love your answer. I stand with you on every word you said. There are not many of us left that will stand on the KJV. Amen to you
---shira on 8/28/06

Shane::I believe its part of Gods Prophecy Gen3;15 --Enmity between Her offspring & his offspring.Like other things that came to pass.
---Emcee on 8/28/06

I personally feel that correct in love is actually scriptural and right,but you love your children and in many cases they don,t enjoy your discipline. and God word tells us he disciplines those he loves. I believe the church today is much too soft on sin.there are people living together,drunks,drug users, and all sorts of sin going on but most pastors say nothing.personal accountability is gone from most peoples lives today.and even worse personal accountability to God.
---tom2 on 8/28/06

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I think we spend too much time worrying about what others are doing wrong. We really should be worrying about what we are doing wrong. If we would spend more time worrying about getting it right, we wouldn't spend as much time complainging because someone else is getting it wrong.
---Eric on 8/28/06

Eloy: **If the shoe fits, where it. Let's see, Jesus called the sinners,**
Eloy, two questions:
1. Are you claiming to be on the spiritual level of Jesus with the concomitant privilege of using such language towards others?
2. Are you claiming that you are NOT a sinner? If you are, you deceive yourself, and the truth [Jesus] is not in you.
---Jack on 8/28/06

You hit the nail on the head when you said "SO CALLED CHRISTIANS". Satan, starting in Genesis 3, started questioning, confusing and changing God's word. Today people are so confused, that when the truth is presented to them, they do not realize it. Go to any "christian book store" and see how many different translations of the bible is out there. I hold fast to the KJV, personally.
---Jerry on 8/28/06

Half the people in here believe they are smarter than the groups of scholors who originally translated our english bible. They tell us constantly how our bible has mistakes and what it should really say. All it leads to is confusion and these pseudoscholors get to fill their lusts of puffing their egos. I dont want to hear what the "original greek says" because I have it translated for me already. I will trust the KJV translation of the greek over anyone elses any day of the week.
---tofurabby on 8/28/06

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Scripture is full of warnings about false teachers, false apostles, false doctrine and alternative "gospels". We are instructed to hold firm to the truth and have nothing to do with any of these falsehoods.

To avoid discussion, disagreement or criticism would simply be opening the flood gates for error to abound, so these things do need to be brought out into the light, challenged and discussed.

However I would agree that 1 Peter 3:15 should always apply.
---William on 8/28/06

Jesus told Jesse Duplantis to always speak the truth in love and faith. Someone stole something from Jesse and he found out and was mad about it. The Lord said to Jesse, "what do you want to tell him?" Jesse said,"I want to tell him if he doesn't give it back he's going to hell." Jesus said, "NO, don't speak that way, speak to him in love and faith." Jesse said when he did, the man started to cry and gave offered to give the thing back. A soft answer turns away wrath.
---Donna9759 on 8/28/06

If the shoe fits, where it. Let's see, Jesus called the sinners, "Hypocrites, whited tombs full of dead man's bones, brood of vipers, ravening wolves in sheeps clothing, the cursed, dead, children of the devil, goats, unjust, hardhearted and stiffnecked, burning tares, etc. Likewise, truly, truly, I say to you that a catholic is not a Christian, but an idolater and a blasphemer.
---Eloy on 8/28/06

YES I got sick of it also so I called for more civility and I suggest we put in TIME OUT those who continue name calling and ridiculing others. It is imperative that each be free to express him/herself without being attacked for his/her opinion. P.
---Pierr5358 on 8/27/06

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greetings ,for shane ,are you describing a shark fest and friendly fire?is not sectarianism a disease,eating away at the very heart of man who forces his religion upon another? do you agree that the exodus from england to america to have freedom of religion has only resulted in a battle over the same thing?it is much easier to climb back into tradition than to walk foward into revelation.the friendly exchange of ideas is the best medicine
---earl on 8/27/06

I'm disturbed at "name calling", but I realize it occurs because people's faith is personal and intensely emotional. This is a unique opportunity for Christians (who may disagree over some aspects of the faith) to examine their faith and practice expressing it in words. They are usually called on to support their views with scripture. I was a bit dismayed and dubious at first, but I've come to enjoy this site as a way to learn things I could never learn elsewhere.
---Donna2277 on 8/27/06

sadly the human race as jesus propheised will only get worse. AND THE LOVE OF MANY WILL WAX COLD.
---tom2 on 8/27/06

I haven't seen anyone calling names on this site. We have our differences in doctrine and we do debate at times but as far as I can tell, it is done in love.
---shira on 8/27/06

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Name calling and bickering is indeed a loss to us. Jesus didn't die for this.
It's always easier to deal with a heresy than a heretic so we should separate the two in our mind when we are fighting for the faith.
This would allow mercy and compassion without the inflamatory pride that dissolves any hope of resolution.
I actually watch the Catholic television channel and enjoy their mass. It's the only religious channel I get and it's better than nothing.
---Pharisee on 8/27/06

What one calls 'bickering' another will call 'being helpful' or 'saying it as it is' or 'speaking the truth in love'. The Christians who use this forum do not wish to bicker or argue, they quite simply do not wish to see people going to hell. Perhaps it's a variation on the saying 'Sometimes we have to be cruel to be kind'. No-one here is intentionally cruel I'm certain but sometimes it probably looks that way.
---emg on 8/27/06

Eve and the "Snake", Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Sarah and Hagar, Saul and David, Middle East and Israelites, war in the heavenlies influencing believers on earth. Sources of strife - Prov. 10:12, Luke 22:24, Gen 13:7-11, 1 Cor. 3:3, 1 Tim 6:4
---Rachel on 8/27/06

You just need to read what is posted on these pages and you note that sadly, ours is a divided kingdom, and meanwhile the devil is having a field day..
---pkay on 8/27/06

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