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How To Stop The Liberals

What is it going to take for Christians to ban together and stop the liberals, which is the minority from banning prayer from school and attempting to remove In God We Trust on our currency?

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Isaiah 32:
5 The VILE person shall be no more called LIBERAL, nor the churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the VILE person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise HIPOCRISY, and to utter ERROR against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to DESTROY the poor with LYING words, even when the needy speaketh right.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/15/08


madison, my testimony is always 100% righteous, and only terrible to the rebellious and the sacrilegious.
---Eloy on 4/15/08


It will take an act of God. A movement of the Holy Spirit. No man can change these events as they are all preparation for the comming of the Antichrist. These are the end times and these are signs of the end times where Christianity is a threat to the one World Religion to come.
---jody on 7/26/07


I pray you're right, Andreas. Right now, I'm not overly impressed with a single candidate. If I had to vote today, I'd be at a loss.
---AlwaysOn on 7/25/07


Micheal God is very aware of our present situation. We have our greatest weapons and that is to ban together and continuing to do the work of God. We are to watch, fight and pray, also. Our weapons are not carnal(fighting,picketing, arguing) our weapons of warfare are praying and the pulling down of strongholds. Our God is still in control. We need to embrace and stand on His Word. The battle is not ours, it belongs to the Lord.
---Robyn on 7/25/07




Always On, that's usually what happens, but this time, I think it will something entirely different.
I'm not sure who it will be, but someone could step up from out of who knows/no where. I do think God will do a new thing. I really think a big change will come.
---Andreas on 7/25/07


How to stop the liberals? Lib Dems? Lib Reps? Lib Christians? Get them all saved and we will do that when we get to the real business at hand. Salvation through Jesus Christ.
---Andrea on 7/25/07


Hi Andreas, I didn't see the entire debate, but I did watch some of it (caught some more of it this evening on CNN too). Hmmm, anything is possible, so, yeah, an Ind. could win. However, I think it's a long shot at this point and an Ind. could end up watering down votes.
---AlwaysOn on 7/25/07


Stop the presses.....stop the presses....stop the presses....
Always On, did you catch the debates last night? Do you think there was a winner?

Do you think it's possible that an Independent might win the elections (if we have one :-]), I do.
---Andreas on 7/24/07


ps. I did see National Treasure and thought it was a great film... I hope that hollywood makes more PG rated movies like it. ...oh, and before I forget, you should check out some of the other historically accurate films from the company who brought us National Treasure, such as The Shaggy Dog, Chicken Little, or Growing Up With Winnie The Pooh.
---tofurabby on 7/10/07




There is no Conservative America there is no Liberal America there is the United States of America. -
Barak Obama

We need to work together so we can move forward this rivalry between Democrats and Republicans makes us week.
---Katie on 1/5/07


remember Mike most Christians are in name only. when the rubber meets the road they will do nothing except complain about it. If you really want to do something about this issue then we need to be like the Apostles and change this country for Christ 1 soul at a time. we can't get in to the political arena it doesn't work look at the past 8 years all the promises to remove abortion.we voted and it is still the same. no we all need to go to the unsaved and talk to them about Jesus Christ.
---willow on 10/18/06


In order to be truly Saved, you need to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and b Baptised into Him. Read what Jesus says in Mark 16:16 Believe and be Baptised, and you shall be saved. So without Baptism, one is not truly saved. Remember, we are to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, not humans.
---Dale on 10/18/06


Eloy, I believe the point about salvation has been given to you already, its by grace through faith, and the point about what a true Christian is and how the Holy Spirit works in the life of the believer has also been given to you. His works are the result of the new disposition or new life given to him, and he is more then willing to do for God what is required of him but only because it is God working through him that he can do what he does. To you it seems he has to be perfect in order to be a
---lisa on 10/18/06


2. Christian. And since you keep saying that you are perfect of course you believe you are the only one, maybe Morgan is too. But you argue that you have to be perfect then you say they can lose their salvation, so you are very confused and don't know much about anything. You have to sit down and eveluate your teachings and be humble and that is hard for you to do. So my take is that you will always be confused and you might be ordained already to stay that way, unless you want to make sure you are not.
---lisa on 10/18/06


Eloy, I think you should be praying that you get saved because I am already saved. Did you do your assignment?
---Okebaram on 10/16/06


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A-men Robert.
---Eloy on 10/15/06


jerry6593, That is not an even issue, but you should really ask yourself this, "Am I receiving God's words from Eloy in love?"
---Eloy on 10/15/06


Alan, Rather very few will serve God for free. I challenge every single Minister of the gospel in every church service on just one Sunday to NOT ask for money nor hold out the collection plate, but instead anounce that, "Today we will not be collecting any money whatsoever, but we will meet Eloy's heart-challenge of serving and ministering this Sunday for free, so if you have brought any money with you, the Lord desires that you keep it and instead share what you have with those who have not."
---Eloy on 10/15/06


.joihnt, my words are both true and sound, and are only contradictory to those who do not understand them.
---Eloy on 10/15/06


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johnt, my post was addressed to "okebaram", and not to you.
---Eloy on 10/15/06


Okebaram, I pray that you get saved, for your common sarcasm is predictable.
---Eloy on 10/15/06


Eloy, I have an assignment for you: read 1 Cor chapter 13. If you have read it before, you didn't understand it so read it again.
---Okebaram on 10/15/06


Eloy: The issue is not whether or not you speak the truth - that is another matter. The real issue is whether you speak the truth IN LOVE!
---jerry6593 (Vote) on 10/15/06


It is incredible that you actually believe this diatribe. TRUTH brethren is the ONLY ISSUE. Lucifer, Satan is the father of lies. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
---Robert on 10/15/06


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eloy, are you saying this,You cannot receive the things of God, because they are spiritually discerned.
because you are God?
because you speak for God?
or is it that you do not want to explain the contradiction of YOUR OWN WORDS?

I am not starting a fight, merely trying to understand what you wrote.
---JohnT on 10/15/06


Eloy "How many Preachers today would be willing to minister to those needing ministering for free?"
The answer to your question os "MOST"
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/15/06


Eloy "he drove out those WHO BOUGHT and sold, he drove out everyone including the priest who required the tithes and offerings, and the parishoners thinking they could buy God's goodness with their tithes and offerings"
Sorry, Eloy, I missed that.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/15/06


MikeM -- And as you say, the word "cult" is often abused. Some apply it to any group with whom they strongly disagree.
According to Random House Unabridged Dictionary it is: a sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.

"Cult" would hardly describe Presbyterians, Dutch (and other)Reformed Churches, and most Baptists;
all groups originating from Calvinism.
---Donna2277 on 10/15/06


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MikeM -- It's true that many people don't accept the TULIP points of Calvinism, in part or in total. But those who don't, do not necessarily believe that denominations based on Calvinism are "cults" or "not Christian".
---Donna2277 on 10/15/06


Alan, he drove out those WHO BOUGHT and sold, he drove out everyone including the priest who required the tithes and offerings, and the parishoners thinking they could buy God's goodness with their tithes and offerings. How many Preachers today would be willing to minister to those needing ministering for free? God bless the poor widow who threw in two quarter pennies, and God bless the poor who have nothing to put in the offering plate, for I myself will love them, and I will minister to them for free.
---Eloy on 10/15/06


Eloy: The issue is not whether or not you speak the truth - that is another matter. The real issue is whether you speak the truth IN LOVE!
---jerry6593 on 10/15/06


lisa, you are mistaken because I never said you can buy God's grace, love and salvation. What I said is, salavtion is earned in the sense that when you obey the Lord's Word, he in turn keeps his end of the Covenant and rewards the obedient with Salvation, and when you do nothing (no service) for salvation, then you receive no salvation. PLEASE READ MATTHEW 7:21; 25:34-46. God's Command is GO and DO THE WORKS OF CHRIST; and his Command is NOT, Do not go and Do nothing and you will be saved.
---Eloy on 10/15/06


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Donna; I do not the word 'cult' outside its dictionasry meaning. It is an abused word. To be clear, here, I have read SEVERAL fundamentalist posters say Calvinism is a 'cult.' That the whole TULIP doctrine is false. I of course will let them defend their, which are not mine statements.

I am decended from colonial Calvinist and proud of it. They were industrious and left their mark on America. In some ways they were very positive, in some ways very negative.
---MikeM on 10/15/06


lisa, you are mistaken because I never said you can buy God's grace, love and salvation. What I said is, salavtion is earned in the sense that when you obey the Lord's Word, he in turn keeps his end of the Covenant and rewards the obedient with Salvation, and when you do nothing (no service) for salvation, then you receive no salvation. PLEASE READ MATTHEW 7:21; 25:34-46. God's Command is GO and DO THE WORKS OF CHRIST; and his Command is NOT, Do not go and Do nothing and you will be saved.
---Eloy on 10/15/06


eloy, then please explain what you mean by "and what seems like sin to you, is instead righteousness" since you say I am not even close.

Please give us all some enlightenment of this apparent contradiction in YOUR words.
---JohnT on 10/15/06


Eloy ... I am just talking about those whom Jesu drove out. They were not the worshippers in the temple, nor the Levites, nor those who came with there tithes, nor those who collected and used the tithes in the tempole work. He drove out those who were taking personal profit.
Jesus' anger was not directed at the tithe system, but at those who abused it.
Of course, we cannot buy our salvation.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/15/06


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MikeM -- I'm still puzzled by you statement of 10/6
"The colonist were Calvinist, whom fundamentalist consider to be 'cultist,' therefore their belief that Americas colonial founders were Christian is irrational."
WHO considers Calvinists "cultist"?
Are YOU saying that Calvinists aren't/weren't Christian or is someone ELSE saying that?
---Donna2277 on 10/15/06


Eloy, on one of you answers you said, "The foolish try to buy God's grace" this was something I and many others talked to you about concerning Salvation or grace for Salvation, and you argued on and on with Morgan about your merits and deeds in order to get Salvasion. I kept telling you, you could not buy it, not with anything you did, but you insisted you could and had to in order to get it. Now you write exactly what you argued about. Exactly, foolish people do think they can buy God's grace.
---lisa on 10/14/06


Alan, yes but they were still requiring the tithe and offerings, their hands were covered with guilt, which was sin to the Lord. He did not want their money nor their sacifices, instead he wants their repentant heart and their obedient life, then the sacrifices would be unnecessary. When a person obeys the Lord and walks in the Spirit there is no more need for sacrifice, no need to appease for forgiveness. It will take much more than 10% and continual sacifices to truly convert the sinner from their sin.
---Eloy on 10/14/06


nurserobert, as you have said, you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 10/14/06


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jerry6593, I do not merely believe that I speak the truth, but instead, I do indeed speak the truth regardless of any belief.
---Eloy on 10/14/06


johnt, Nope. you're not even close. You cannot receive the things of God, because they are spiritually discerned.
---Eloy on 10/14/06


Eloy, what you say about the activities of the merchants and money changers in the temple yard absolutely confirms what I said ... they were cynically making money for themselves.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/14/06


Alan of UK -- Well said. If I had witnessed it, I would have thought the same. More importantly, I would have thought, "If that's the way Christians are, I don't think I'll consider becoming one."
---Donna2277 on 10/14/06


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Eloy, where does your light so shine to guide those around you from the darkness???

How were your actions those of Christian love? Maybe you forgot that part.

I will "believe what I desire." And your behavior confirms what I believe about you.
You are in my prayers
---NurseRobert on 10/14/06


eloy wrote okebaram, saints do not sin, and what seems like sin to you, is instead righteousness

Wanna run that one again?

Are you saying that what Okebaram says is sin in his own life is not actually sin, but righteousness instead?
---JohnT on 10/14/06


Attn; Donna. You said nothing I disagree with. As to 'cult' I do not use the word as it is an highly abused word.

Through society was far less less secular, it is well establish the Founding fathers were deist and freeemasons. the colonies, except Maryland were founded by Calvinist.
---MikeM on 10/14/06


Eloy: I know that you believe that you speak the truth. We all believe that we do here. But the Bible advises "speaking the truth in love" (Eph 4:15) Even the truth, if it is not spoken in love, is completely ineffectual.
---jerry6593 on 10/14/06


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alan, truly you are wrong, for inside the temple court yard they were indeed buying and selling turtledoves and pigeons, and baby goats and sheep of the first year without spot or blemish for the temple sacrifices, and the merchants inside were making change for the people for their tithes and offerings. Not only was this a very grave sin to rob the poor in the Name of God, but they made a day of it, hundreds and hundreds of animal slaughters for the people's sins. Foolish man can never buy God's grace.
---Eloy on 10/13/06


.nurserobert and okebaram, those who stay in darkness cannot know the Lord, therefore you will believe whatever you desire. "Woe onto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter."
---Eloy on 10/13/06


okebaram, saints do not sin, and what seems like sin to you, is instead righteousness.
---Eloy on 10/14/06


okebaram, Until you get saved, you will never understand why God destroyed every man and every women and every child upon the face of all the earth in Noah's day, saving only 8 souls, and why he is going to do it again very very soon, but this time my God will utterly destroy all by fire.
---Eloy on 10/14/06


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jerry 6593 - Good advice.
---Donna2277 on 10/13/06


Eloy, seems like you, acclaimed saint, has sinned many times in the way you approached people concerning the gospel, and will again.
---Okebaram on 10/13/06


If I was not a Christian, and I had witnessed Eloy saying that to someone, I would have assessed him as a religious nut-case.
And Eloy, the ones whom Jesus drove out were not gathering tithes for the temple, but were cynically making money for themselves.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/13/06


Fgiends, eloy is a law unto himself. If he thinks something is right, no one will change him. Is that strength or foolishness? Quien sabe?

For sure, it is eloy,and ON ONE here will change him, thus it is foolishness to try.

However, we CAN change elections. That takes prayer, and fasting, and that is what this blog is about.
---JohnT on 10/13/06


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Eloy, there are many ways to share the Gospel. Can you honestly tell me that standing nose to nose with your supervisor and saying "so JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! now what are you going to do about that?" a good way of representing Jesus and his love?

You set a very bad example as a Christian.
---NurseRobert on 10/13/06


Donna, well said, here in California you can be let go for just about any reason. Companies for the past ten years have more say in who they keep. Of course not for wrongful termination, accused of something the person did not do. I heard this from a lawyer that I know. Many times they might want to get rid of you for other reasons, but they find one that suits them. Speaking and arguing, or disturbing the employees is wrong to begin with. Thank you
---Lydia on 10/13/06


How to vote in the upcoming elections: Decide which party our enemies (Al Queda, N. Korea, Venezuela, etc.) would vote for, and then vote for the other party. It's that simple.
---jerry6593 on 10/13/06


madison, God is not mocked. By the Spirit Jesus did NOT lovingly say, "My most loving church-goers, I am your most humble and lowly Lord, how greatly you do receive tithes from the poor for me. Let me lovingly bless you all, so that you can all continue as you are." No, instead, he rightly yelled at them, hating them to the core and physically whipping them out of the temple. Until you understand this work of God, you will not understand how a saint works likewise. Please read II Kings 2:23-25.
---Eloy on 10/12/06


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madison, donna2277, and nurserobert, The Lord Commands all Christians to share the gospel, and the Lord God also Commands ALL flesh to Repent. Please read Psalm 34:1; 107:2; Ezekiel 33:8,9; Mark 16:15; Acts 5:28,29; I Thessalonians 5:19; II Timothy 4:1,2,5.
---Eloy on 10/12/06


donna2277, I am a real saint and therefore I can never be fired for any of those wrongs that you have listed because we saints do not sin, but on the otherhand the supervisor can be taken to court and ordered to pay punitive damages for harassment, religious discrimination, etc., and also can be removed from their position for such illegal violations against the employee.
---Eloy on 10/12/06


Eloy -- Please note that Jesus directed his Holy anger toward the religious establishment, not to ordinary sinners with bad language, bad jokes and probably bad breath as well! He was a "friend of sinners".
---Donna2277 on 10/12/06


donna2277, as far as the sinner being offended by the truth, that is their offense and not the truth-bearers offense. If the sinner would come clean, then the sinner would no longer be offended by the witness of the gospel, but instead would welcome righteousness. Please read John 3:19-21.
---Eloy on 10/12/06


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Thank you Donna, that is exactly what I was trying to express.
---NurseRobert on 10/12/06


Eloy-
Some people are offended by the truth. Some people are just offended by the attitude of those who claim to know the truth.

You can't be fired for expressing you beliefs, but you can be fired for wasting time preaching or arguing, instead of working. You can be fired for creating discord or stress among employees. Many things you CAN be fired for.
---Donna2277 on 10/12/06


Eloy: *****but you acquiesce to sinners who would quench the Spirit and thereby partake of the sin.****

I just treat people with dignity and respect, regardless of what they are trying to do. Defiance is not part of the Spirit. It is not submission. You could have lovingly told your boss that you will speak the name of Jesus lovingly until they lock you up and gag you. That would have impressed him/her much more than your defiance did. You may have even won him/her to Christ.
---Madison1101 on 10/12/06


MikeM -- Some well-known founding fathers were deists: Jefferson (hero of the Democratic Party) Paine, and possibly Washington, who was a Mason.

Christians before the Revolution, split over the "Great Awakening", but were still Christian, still a huge majority. Deists, a "fringe group" at the time, still espoused Christian ethics and had no source of communication or support without the churches. Christians rallying to the cause enabled the Revolution and birthed the Republic.
---Donna2277 on 10/12/06


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madison, I have no fear shouting Christ upon the housetops in defiance of all who would object. That's the difference between you and me, I witness boldly but you acquiesce to sinners who would quench the Spirit and thereby partake of the sin. You simply refuse to accept the fact that what I did was under the influence of the Holy Ghost and in righteous indignation which was equal to, but not as physical, as that of when Jesus whipped the people out of the temple. So you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 10/12/06


MikeM --
"Both Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay colonies were decidedly Calvinist. The foundation of Harvard College in 1636 established the intellectual hegemony of Calvinism in New England, In addition, Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758), Calvinism's most eloquent preacher in America and also the colonies' most outstanding theologian and scholar, received two degrees from Yale (Catholic Faith bi-monthly mag. dec 1999)

Calvinists "cultist"?...are you sure?
---Donna2277 on 10/12/06


Eloy: You just refuse to open your eyes to what I am trying to say. I didn't disagree with what you did, but HOW you did it. You did it with a defiant attitude. It lacked humility. Your heart was defiant toward your boss. Scripture says we are to submit to our masters. Our bosses could be viewed in a similar way. You could have done what you did with a loving, gentle spirit and been a better testimony to Christ.
---Madison1101 on 10/11/06


madison, BTW, that supervisor who was wrongly forbidding the free speaking of the gospel was a professed catholic.
---Eloy on 10/11/06


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madison, we are Commanded to obey God rather than man, thus if any man orders us to be silent about Jesus Christ or God, this is a sin because God Commands us to speak, therefore in obedience to the Lord we must defy this person's illegal and immoral order. Therefore I rightly obeyed God, and if any flesh would tell me to be silent again, I would be moved to do the same thing or even greater measures depending upon the situation of the one abusing their authority.
---Eloy on 10/11/06


Eloy: In your own words, you said that you "defiantly" did what you did. That flies in the face of scriptures such as "Submit yourselves one to another." So, which is righteous, humble submission or outright defiance? Humble submission is obedience to scripture. Defiant attitudes are not righteous.
---Madison1101 on 10/11/06


MikeM, if what you say is true, then how do you explain the quotes that I posted? They were their own words and I cited references to the writings they came from so you can investigate them yourself. Of course you ignored the quotes I posted because you dont want to believe it. You bailed.
---tofurabby on 10/11/06


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