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Where Was Jesus For 3 Days

Where was Jesus for the three days between his death and resurrection?

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Dr rich, once again you are wrong Isaiah clearly says our sins was placed upon himin the 6th verse of Isa. 53. Note that LORD is spelled all capital not Lord as in master. Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
---evangelistjerry on 4/16/08


Part 2 Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way, and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
---evangelistjerry on 4/16/08


Jesus said the only sign was of Jonah, him being inside a fish for 3 days AND 3 nights. So it appears that Jesus was dead (second death) for 3 days and 3 nights, but the grave could not hold Him because no sins were placed upon Him. No, this was NOT the "Atonement". He said He was the "Passover Lamb". No sins were placed upon this lamb.
---Dr.Rich on 4/15/08


Dr. Rich,
Are you not "taking away" from the word of God and putting doubts into minds when you question the authorship of Peter's epistles? Noah was a preacher of righteousness(IIPet.2:5) I never said that he preached during the construction period.

If the people did not know what was coming,
they at least had an unmistakeably large sign-the ark! They just refused to believe it. We've not yet heard what you believe for those three days after Christ's death.
---Tom on 4/14/08


Tom, Can you show me where Peter said that Noah preached to the people while he was building the ark? It appears you are adding things to the words of the bible. Jesus said the people had no idea there was going to be a flood. (Matt. 24:37-39)
---Dr.Rich on 4/14/08




Tom: That is correct. It was 'God the Son' by way of the 'Spirit' pleading with the souls imprisoned in sin while the "ark was being prepared" And yet, only "8 souls were saved by water" But in these last days many will be "saved by the Blood"
---SeventhSeal on 4/14/08


Peter did not write 1st and 2nd Peter. This is what the majority of researchers have found out. Even the introduction in the bible states this same thing. Many people wrote letters at that time and put Peter's name on them.
---Dr.Rich on 4/14/08


cathrine, I do not mean to offend, just a word of caution, remember who you are speaking of, He is God, and we are dust.

Ps 121:4 Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.

Bless you,
---trey on 4/12/08


SeventhSeal: Peter does say that Noah was a preacher and Genesis states that the Spirit of God was contending with man before the flood. In looking further into the scriptures, those in the time of Noah were beyond the reach of the Spirit's preaching
because they loved evil more than God and are now being held for God's wrath and judgment. So, I agree that it was the Spirit of God who was pleading with people before the flood, not Jesus himself postmortem. I had always taken this view.
---Tom on 4/12/08


Catherine... That wasn't God that gave you that answer. OH I don't doubt that God CAN and DOES talk to believers, but He would never contradict His word. The Bible clearly says that Jesus was crucified, died and was buried. He didn't take a nap, he was beaten beyond recognition, hung on a tree and he gave up the ghost. If he had not, then our salvation would be a joke. Someone had to pay the price for our sins, legally! (cont)
---Cindi on 4/11/08




He was in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights to save my soul and yours. Do not downplay the horror that Jesus endured to make us free. God is a God of conditions. Just as we must be saved to get eternal life, Jesus Christ had to DIE to pay the price for that. On the 3rd day, God got him up from the dead. Proving to the Devil and the world that God will not be defeated.
---Cindi on 4/11/08


Tom, the majority of religious history experts agree that Peter did not write first and second peter. Please do your own study on the history of the church and you will find this out.
---Dr.Rich on 4/11/08


I Pet. 3:18 More accurately stated would be: that Jesus "was put to death in the body but made alive in the spirit in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison..."
Peter,the next chapter says, "the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit." I Pet.4:6
---Tom on 4/11/08


I've looked back to the time of the flood in Genesis and I could not find any preaching be done by anybody! Noah included.
Please give me the scripture where these people were being preached to by Jesus or the Holy Spirit. I thought Noah was a preacher, but it doesn't state that in Genesis. Maybe it does in a new testament book.
---Tom on 4/11/08


Seventhseal>>Guess what! As I was doing this blog I ask God what He was doing? He said "I was sleeping".
---catherine on 4/11/08


Jesus slept and was raised back to life by the Spirit.

"The Spirit..by which also He went and preached unto the spirits (People) in prison (SIN),
Which sometime were disobedient, WHEN once the longsuffering of God waited in the DAYS OF NOAH, WHILE THE ARK WAS PREPARING, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water"

His witnessing before the Flood was by the Spirit...the same one that raised Him back to life.
---SeventhSeal on 4/11/08


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Tom said, *I Peter 3:18-20 says that "He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah."*
AFTER Christ was raised in his resurrected body is when he went and preached to the SPIRITS. Those were the spirits that God put in prison after the flood.
---Cindi on 4/11/08


Jesus was DEAD for 3 days and 3 nights. If he had not been in the grave that entire time, they could have called his resurrection a hoax. The law in those old days was that a man (or woman) must be in the grave for 72 hours, 3 days & nights, to be legally considered dead. Also the word says that as Jonas was 3 days & 3 nights in the belly of the whale, so the Son would have to be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth.(paraphrased sorry)
---Cindi on 4/11/08


1st PETER 3:18-19-20
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison,
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
---Mima on 4/11/08


That's Jesus' own business>>>"Handle me, and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have". >>>This gives us valuable information concerning our own resurrection body, for we shall have a body like His. [1 Jn. 3:2] [true believers] Jesus breathes on them and imparts to them the Holy Spirit. Note. The love for Christ, our Savior which true believers have is never found in the heart of any man prior to the ascention of Christ, my friend.++
---catherine on 4/11/08


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Why would God spend three days in hell?
---deb on 4/11/08


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..the forgery would be because He never spent time in Hell (the grave) and was never resurrected on the 3rd day ...because that would be a lie to if He wasn't "really" in the grave and He was "really" preaching somewhere else

Christs ministry ENDED on the cross ...He NEVER preached again ...that is what He spent 3 1/2 years training HIS disciples to do so when HIS work was finished on the cross they continued on
---Rhonda on 4/10/08


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I Peter 3:18-20
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If you read 1 Peter 3, it is clear the sermon is about righteous character in Christ ...to claim this verse is describing the 3 days and nights Christ spent in the grave is dilibrately twisting Gods Word
---Rhonda on 4/10/08


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to believe Christ was out and about during the 3 days and nights is to make a mockery out of His resurrection and Gods purpose ...it is appointed for all men to die once ...CHRIST overcame death AND sin ...if He was galavanting around town He was not seperated from God and His entire ministry was a forgery
---Rhonda on 4/10/08


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I Peter 3:18-20 says that "He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah." Who can say that these people were beyond the scope of God's grace? Could it be that Christ's blood reaches back to cover those who were disobedient but now were given another chance? Take hope in the God of 2nd chances!
---Tom on 4/10/08


Tom, can you please show me where you got your information that Peter said this? thanks.
---Dr.Rich on 4/10/08


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He was preaching the good news!
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Well now that's a first ...and you believe this because...... scripture tells you this where.....

Christ was dead ...he wasn't anywhere on earth or in heaven ...scripture says the dead are silent, they know nothing, their thoughts perish ...Christ was 3 full nights and 3 full days in hell
---Rhonda on 4/9/08


He was preaching the good news! Peter says, that He(Christ after he died)went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago.. in the days of Noah.This not only shows God's great patience with mankind, which Peter himself knew firsthand,it shows that God is "not willing that anyone should perish, but all should come to repentance." Don't you think these lost,tortured souls had great hope when they saw the Son of God? That's amazing love!
---Tom on 4/9/08


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Ramon, Eph 2:1 nor Col 2:13 say the soul is dead while the person is alive. I think you have the soul and spirit mixed up. You use them interchangeably. The soul is a living person Gen 2:7. The unregenerate are spiritually dead or spiritually unresponsive to the Holy Spirit. But a dead soul has no consciousness Ez 18:4, 20; Ps 146:4, Eccl 9:10, Isa 38:18-19, Eccl 9:5.
---Geoff on 12/30/07


just for those who want too know a form of purgatory was believed in by 1st century jews.
---Jared on 11/2/06


Post 11 should have Ramons name not James, SORRY.
---Billy on 11/2/06


(1). Ramon, first I want to say that I dont have a serious problem with the Bible being the Word of God. And yes the writers of the Bible can take the scriptures out of context, because mans ways are not Gods ways. And its the will of God that those that are without are not to understand His word. Yes God does willfully deceive us before he brings us into the knowledge of the truth. I had written some scriptures to prove this point in my post to Lisa, which im sure youve already read.
---Billy on 11/1/06


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(2). Ramon, "example" even though we are spiritual Israelites doesnt mean all are Israel. Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Even though the context of this scripture pertains to Isreal according to the flesh, it also has a spiritual application to Israel according to the spirit.
---Billy on 11/1/06


(3). Ramon, every christian that professes to be a born again "spiritual Israelite" doesnt mean that they are all of Israel. Yes, spiritual Israel does have its "Jacob ive loved", and also it has its "Esau ive hated" [Rom 9:13]. This is how we understand Gods word. The church is full of those that are without! Even the children of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness "Mat 8:12". This is nothing different than what the NT writers have done to scripture.
---Billy on 11/1/06


(4). I do believe that the Bible is Gods word. Also, God isnt twisting his own word even though the NT writers took the scriptures out of context. Though the context of the scriptures were of events taking place in the past, and nothing to do in context of the future, God had those events to take place for the purpose of spiritual comparison of future events. Only the spirit could have revealed this to the NT writers. As I said to Lisa, his word can only be spiritually discerned 1Cor 2:14.
---Billy on 11/1/06


(5). Doing it any other way, or trying to find a formula to understanding Gods word, is conceding to the flesh and the carnal mind to discern Gods word. Ramon, you had said that God doesnt lie, and im in agreement, but dont think that God will not deceive. (1Ki 22:22-23, 2Chr 18:21-22). Yes it was the Lords soverign plan to deceive these people "the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets".
---Billy on 11/1/06


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(6). Also, youve just made my point about Hosea 11:1. The context of this scripture was typically and primarily referring to Israel, and wasnt speaking primarily of Jesus. The context wasnt concerning Jesus at all, but through the eyes of the spirit, it has everything to do with Jesus coming out of Egypt. Also I dont quite understand what you mean by "it applies to Jesus' sojourn in Egypt, not His return from it", when Mat 2:15 says, "Out of Egypt have I called my son".
---Billy on 11/1/06


(7). Egypt represents bondage in Hose 11:1. I dont see where this concerns Jesus going into Egypt when the context of Mat 2:15 says Out of Egypt have I called my son. Also, all of your examples further prove my point that through the eyes of the spirit, OT events can be taken out of context to show spiritual applications of present events. And no Jesus didnt lie, and where did I ever say that there way of interpreting scripture was wrong?
---Billy on 11/1/06


(8). Ramon, You say that im not interested in scholarly Biblical pursuits. So what kind of scholarly Biblical pursuit do you recommend I pursue? The teachings of men, or the teachings of God "1John 2:27"? In Jesus's day, He rebucked the scholars and religious leaders of his day for there carnal thinking. Ramon, you had said how the RCC had took scripture out of context to make an unbiblical doctrin, so ill show you what the Orthodox Christian Church has done with scripture.
---Billy on 11/1/06


(9). They have taken (Act 2:21, John 3:16, Rom 10:13, John 1:12, 1John 5:13) and made a doctrin called the 10 second sinners prayer. Can it be this easy to get saved? So what do we do with the rest of the scriptures? (Mat 7:21-22, Mat 15:8, Mar 7:6, James 2:19, Mar 13:13). The christian church has done more damage in the name of Jesus than all other religions in the world. The reason why is because the other religions dont profess Christ as there God.
---Billy on 11/1/06


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(10). Woe unto the christian churches! For they compass sea and land to convert one soul with the 10 second sinners prayer, and when he is made, they make him twofold more the child of hell than themselves. I do see things more clearer than you think. I take Jesus and Peters words very serious as concerning our Lords coming. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. Only eight souls were saved.
---Billy on 11/1/06


(11) James, If you think that the christian church is right, and this great revival will bring many souls to Christ, then you dont believe the words of Jesus. I dont say this to you personally, but this is the way God has ordained it to be and, and Gods soverign word will stand. Only a few will make it. I pray that me and you both will endure to the end. God Bless
---Billy on 11/1/06


Billy. I just want to comment on your response. The Holy Spirit is the author of Scriptures. He won't tell us something if it's not in the Bible."Spiritually discerning" Scriptures is taking God's Word the way it is. That includes context, as well as other things.

But Billy, when we read a Scriptures, they is many things we need to consider. Without context, we will twist scriptures.
---Ramon on 10/31/06


Billy.#2 Look at so many cults today Billy. They will take Scriptures so out of context to prove something. For example, the RCC teaches the doctrine of purgatory. They will point to 1 Cor. 3:15 as proof, but really is this reading with context?

When we read a Scripture they are some many things to consider. It's it a parable?. Should we take this passage as literally, symbolism, figuratively (etc)? Why should we leave out "context" from the list?
---Ramon on 10/31/06


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Another question Billy, from the passages you gave in Mark 4, The mystery spoken of in those passages is talking about something previously hidden and unknown but revealed in the N.T. In context, the subject of the mystery is the Kingdom of heaven (Matt. 3:2), which Jesus communicates in the form of parables. Thus the mystery is revealed to those who believe, yet it remains concealed to those who reject Christ and His gospel (Matt. 13:11). "To those outside" as the passage goes,
---lisa on 10/31/06


2. Those people outside is talking about the one's that are not following Christ. 4:12, "so that" Unlike Matthew, which specifically quotes Isiah 6:9,10, Mark quotes Jesus as giving the substance of what Isaiah wrote in that text. "Lest they should turn." The implication is that unbelievers do not want to tur from sin (Matt. 13:3,13).
---lisa on 10/31/06


Billy, I understand what you are saying about the blind and the one's that do hear. It is the believer that hears and the believer that really see's. That is not a problem with understanding. I suppose to many here it is because they have not figured out that the blind or the one's lost, or the one's that hear but don't understand. But that was not the question at hand.
---lisa on 10/31/06


2. While there is many here on line that are babies in the Lord, they need to be discipled. They come to Christ, but don't know a thing about the Bible. In reading scripture, there is many things we have to look at before we make a judgement on a passage. First of all, whether it pertain to the Old Testament believers or us, to whom was the person speaking to in the passage, what was the context of that passage that was spoken. Were they believers spoken to, or none believers.
---lisa on 10/31/06


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3. Parables and metaphors take a bit of work to find out if they are parables or metaphors. Just look at the interpretation of "Jesus been the bread of life" many think that He a bread. Are that at communion they are eating Christ. No hermeneutics nor correct interpretation. Others use the old Testament laws for today. Scripture is very clear on many matters but not to clear on others.
---lisa on 10/31/06


4. If we began to read from a standpoint that we might run into error, we already assume it will happen. If we start from the point that it is not in error, we know there is an explanation even when we don't see it yet. The student should have a passion to find out. Many things were hidden but for the believer, it is open. Yet not all at one time. Many things we will never know. Like the case of Adam. He was created, with no sin nature. No desire to sin. Yet he did sin. Why? no one knows.
---lisa on 10/31/06


5. To me, the only people that had a real "free will" was Adam and Eve. They had "no sin nature" They didn't have a motive, inclination, desire, as all lost man does. They were perfect. Why did they sin, well, I don't think anyone knows what moved them to sin. The lost is moved by his nature. He loves sin. He loves the world. He has many reason why he sins. But Adam didn't. Now that is a mystery. There is many more I could give you.
---lisa on 10/31/06


(3). Lisa, Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery
of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in
parables:
Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear,
and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should
be forgiven them.
---Billy on 10/30/06


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(4). Lisa, Its evident that Jesus didnt want those that were without to understand the
mysteries of the Kingdom. And I know Ramon will be reading this also, and hes
more that happy to comment on what ive written. But Lisa, if there was a carnal
formula for interpreting Gods word as Ramon has said, then all those from without
could understand Gods word. But theres only one way to interpret Gods word, and
its not through context. It can only be spiritually discerned "1Cor 2:14".
---Billy on 10/30/06


(5). Lisa, God bless, and Ramon, I figured I would respond to Lisa first, I hope you didnt mind. Either way, Im working on yours now, God bless. :-)
---Billy on 10/30/06


Jesus was in paradise at least part of the time. Luke 23:43
1Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 4:6 For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the fesh, but live according to God in the spirit. Ephesian 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led cpaptivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. continued
---creamcup on 10/30/06


(1). Hello Lisa, First I want to say that I never said that the NT writers had errored in taking scripture out of context. I was trying to prove my point that context, context, context isnt the way we spiritually discern Gods word. If this were the case, then everyone could discern Gods word with no help of the spirit to give the proper translation. How else does God hid the true meaning of his word from the wise men, and prudent men of this world "Mat 11:25".
---Billy on 10/30/06


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2.
Isaiah 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:27, 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. Hell, a place of torment and Abraham's bosom, paradise. When Jesus died many saints rose from the dead Matthew 27:52-53. When Jesus assended, I think he may have taken the resurrected saints and paradise with him to heaven. Luke 16:19-26
---creamcup on 10/30/06


(2). Lisa, you know all to well that God is only going to reveal his word to those that he has chosen. "Joh 9:39-41" And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. Most christians think that Jesus is talking about fisical blindness, but the words that Jesus spoke were spirit and life "John 6:63".
---Billy on 10/30/06


Billy. I'm looking forward to seeing your response. I will get back to your response as soon as possible. Sometimes I don't respond as quickly as possible because of work too. God Bless

---Ramon on 10/30/06


Geoff. You know why I disagree that the dead is unconsciousness after death. I invite you to read my responses to Billy.

One thing you must understand is that words "asleep", "sleeping", or "sleep" is sometimes use as euphemism in the Bible, and not the "state" of the dead. Second The word "sleep" is a metaphor describing the appearance and posture of the body. Even Froom admits that it is a metaphor.
---Ramon on 10/30/06


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Geoff.#2 The words "asleep", "sleeping", or "sleep" have different meanings within Scriptures. The rest of the bible speak of consciousness after death(I Samuel 28:12-20, Revelation 6:9-11,,2 Corinthians 5:6-8,Philippians 1:21-24,Isaiah 14:9,Luke 16:19-31, Job 26:5-6,John 23:43,etc).

Sleep, in describing death, is nothing more than how the living view the dead. The book of Ecclesiastes make this point (Eccl 9:5 etc). You need to do a deeper study of certain words.
---Ramon on 10/30/06


Ramon, I used to answer some blogs at work because of business being slow, but its picked up to the point that I cant do that at the moment so it could be a few days for me to get you a responce. I dont see why we should agree to disagree at the moment. This is a healthy discussion and should be discussed further. I hope we can do as Lisa has said, without it resorting to name calling. Ill get started on my response tonight. God bless.
---Billy on 10/30/06


Ramon, OK, so you're "not saying the soul literally died when speaking about 'spiritual death.'" Alright. Then why do you disagree that a dead person is unconsciousness? We even know that in First Aid. You said scripture "does not speak about 'Soul-Sleep.'" What about:
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Dan 12:2
---Geoff on 10/29/06


Billy.#11 I hope this helps you understand better. Taking Scriptures with context is important. Otherwise, many people will twist Scriptures to prove a point. They is consciousness after death. I gave scriptures to prove that. You told me some Scriptures you thought disagree with me. However, I proven they dont. You took Scriptures out of context. I dont agree with you regarding what happends after death. Alot of times people have to agree to disagree. Reading Scripture with context is important
---Ramon on 10/29/06


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Billy. By saying that the Bible is God's word we are declaring that everything in the Bible is God's own words to his people. And since God is holy and true, it is free from error. Saying the NT writers took Scriptures out of context it to say God himself took his own words and twist them. Which doesn't make sense. When something seem wrong in Scriptures, we must read deeper in Scriptures and find the correct interpertation. If something its not true then God will not tell us. Very simple.
---Ramon on 10/29/06


How on earth did a blog question about where Jesus was for 3 days between his death and resurrection get to discussing the trinity? Anyways I'll throw in my 2 cents. Jesus was Seperated from life (ie. Hell) but that does not mean he didn't have knowledge of what was going on in Heaven. Anyways, Son of God means that he fully revieled the essence of God to man and Son of man means he reveiled the true nature of Mankind (that is what we were supposed to be.)
---Jared on 10/29/06


Hello brother Billy, I have to disagree with the examples you gave Ramon, about Scriture. Accually there is no error in Scripture. If the one part of Scripture is not true you would have to use your own judgement to know which ones were true. No, there is no question as to whether Scripture is all true, the question is whether we get the correct meaning that God wanted to convey to us. The correct intepretation.
---lisa on 10/29/06


2. I don't mind talking and debating. That is what this whole site is about. Anyone that doesn't like it should just leave the site and find one that suits them perfect. Many are on line to throw stones and call nasty names. At first I was shocked but not anymore. We can go back and forth as the brothers and sisters with the SDA blogs do. People learn from just reading. Just because I don't agree with Emcee, I am not going to say he is not saved. Only God knows anyway. I can debate with him, he is kind.
---lisa on 10/29/06


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3. I will will not answer this question you two are discussing yet because I haven't read the full context of what the passages are yet. I will give you my opinion once I find out if in fact they are prophies. Interprating Prophecy is a complex issue. The Both the Old and New Testaments a prophet is a spokesman for God who declares God's will to the people. Prophecy refers to three things, Predicting future events
---lisa on 10/29/06


4. (Rev. 1:3; 22:7, 10; John 11:51). It also is revealing concealed facts concerning the present (Luke 1:67-79; Acts 13:6-12) and last, dispensing instruction, comfort, and exhortation in powerfully impassioned language (Amos; Acts 15:32; 1 Cor. 14:3,4,31). I will continue to read what you both are saying and come back later. Thanks again Billy.
---lisa on 10/29/06


Billy.#9 Mark wasn't the only person in the New Testament who only used portions of Scriptures to make reference for prophecy, Jesus did it as well in Luke 4:16-22. The reason Jesus only quoted a portion of the prophecy was because the first part dealt with His first Advent, and the remainder of the prophecy dealt with the final judgment. He quoted the passage properly because only the first part would be fulfilled at that time.
---Ramon on 10/29/06


Billy.#10 You are not interested in scholarly Biblical pursuits.You make false assumptions.Isaiah 40:3-8 have 3 different application. Like most prophecy in Isaiah.You justify your behavior of taking Scriptures out of context by telling us false information about Scriptures. Your arguments are invalid. God is the author of the Bible. I hope this help you understand.

Perhaps, you need to realize the inerrancy of Scripture and discover a relationship of faith in the Christ of the Bible?.
---Ramon on 10/29/06


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Billy. You have a serious problem with the Bible being the Word of God, thus, being the authority over our lives for faith and practice. The writers of the Bible cannot take the Scriptures out of their context because God is the author of the Bible, and He used each writer to relay His Word exactly as He willed. To say the Bible writers took Scriptures out of their proper context is to say that God willfully deceived us.

Thus you don't believe the Bible is God's word, same as 1st Cliff.
---Ramon on 10/29/06


Billy.#2. The Bible states that God cant lie or deceive (Numbers 23:19; Psalm 92:15; Romans 3:4; Hebrews 6:18; James 1:17-18 etc).God is the only being Who is incapable of lying or deceiving. If we wish to believe the Bible is God's word, then we must accept that both the OT and NT writers wrote what God told them. They did not wrote what they thought is right or wrong.

2 Peter 3:16 speaks of men taking Paul's writings out of context. Peter said they "distort" the scriptures.
---Ramon on 10/29/06


Billy.#3. "Rightly dividing" God's word is taking Scriptures with context. Prophecy's can have different application. I will explain this further later.
The Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary deals with Matthew 2:14-15. Hosea 11:5 shows this prophecy was uttered after the league made with Egypt (2 Kings 17:4)Israel . . called my son out of Egypt--BENGEL translates, "From the time that he (Israel) was in Egypt, I called him My son," which the parallelism proves.
---Ramon on 10/29/06


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