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Is Harold Camping Correct

Anyone have any opinions on Harold Camping who is on Family Radio? He preaches about how we are not supposed to go to church anymore because it is the "end of the church age."

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I was sceptic of what Harold campimg was teaching.The first scripture that came to me was No man knows the day or the time.As I studied this from the bible I find we can know the time.God told daniel in Dan.12 To SEAL these things up in a little book (bible) untill the end.When we get close to the end God said He will remove the seals in rev7.Noah knew the exact time of Judgement.The flood was a picture of Judgement and God told Noah yet in 7 days the flood water will begin.The people of Ninava knew exactly when Judgement was comeing Jonah warned them in 40 days God will destroy Niniva.If one is truly interested in the time of the end call Family radio and ask for a free copy of "We are almost there"
Dave
---dave on 5/30/09


I too believe that brother camping is teaching the truth. He shows from the bible what we unintentially miss, but some have gifts of interpretation as the bible tells us, and he does a thourough job searching the scripture. He is the closest that i have come to someone expressing god's truth. I have never been so into reading my bible and actually comprehending it as i do now. God said to us in (Eze 12:2) "Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not, they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they [are] a rebellious house". (Mat 13:13) "Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand".
---Metuschelah on 5/28/09


True or not the question remains: Is Harold Camping a mechanical robot like the ones they have at Disneyland? His message is the same each night. He never wavers from a carefully written script. If any question is put to him where a reasonable answer needs to be given he slips into his famous: . . . but is THAT in the Bible, you must compare scripture with scripture, . . . I continue to ask: why are the comparisons always doom and gloom. Wake up people. Harold has you hood winked. He's clinically insane and just happens to own a television station. His radio family parrot his every statement like zombies.
---Jeremiah on 5/28/09


Mima~ Wow, great post on 5/25!
---Anne on 5/27/09


I just visited my home in the Seattle area. I was shocked and stunned that Harold Camping was still on the air. Worse - he now has again set a date for Christ's return. It amazes me that anyone who knows scripture can swallow this since the Bible CLEARLY states that no man knows the day nor the hour - nor the Son. If Christ does not know - how in the world can anyone be so bold as to think himself more qualified and more intelligent than God.
I do not know why he is still on the air.
---Doris on 5/26/09




Mima, I disagree with you on most things. However I am in 100% agreement with what you wrote on 5/25/09.
---Rob on 5/26/09


I have read the responses to this question. And while I do not know a definite answer I realize that most people understand that something is wrong with the churches. I do believe the teaching about men teaching and holding on to tradition is true, very frightening but true. What is wrong with the churches, we have seeker friendly churches, very exclusive denominational churches, and we have many itching ears churches but we have few churches that are strictly teaching the word of God! And for this reason I have become more and more selective of what attention and credence I give to churches.
---mima on 5/25/09


I believe he is correct. No other Bible teacher so thoroughly compares "spiritual things with spiritual things," as God commands, i.e., checking the Bible for all relevant passages when studying a doctrine. The situation today is parallel to AD 33, when God made a major shift from Israel to the churches, because Israel had become apostate. It was just as difficult for the Jews of that time to believe as it is for "Christians" today. We think of the pharisees and other spiritual leaders then as obviously evil, but they were regarded as pastors today, yet Jesus called them "vipers," because they were no longer teaching the "commandments of God" but the "doctrines of men," just as is the case now.
---Bob on 5/24/09


If Mr. Camping really believed that the world is going to end in 2011, then he would not have applied for 10 new stations in the last FM NCE filing window. These stations if granted, have three years to be built and many in this category will go on the air after Mr. Camping's end of the world date. One more point, Colossians 1 says that "Christ is the head of the body, the Church." If we posit that the corporate church no longer exists, then that implies that the Head has died. You see, you cannot have one without the other. If there is no church, then you have no Christ. But if you have Christ, then you must have the church. He will not deny His own.
---Dan on 5/10/09


If Mr. Camping really believed that the world is going to end in 2011, then he would not have applied for 10 new stations in the last FM NCE filing window. These stations if granted, have three years to be built and many in this category will go on the air after Mr. Camping's end of the world date. One more point, Colossians 1 says that "Christ is the head of the body, the Church." If we posit that the corporate church no longer exists, then that implies that the Head has died. You see, you cannot have one without the other. If there is no church, then you have no Christ. But if you have Christ, then you must have the church. He will not deny His own.
---Dan on 5/10/09




Once, I heard a wise man say, "God's word speaks for itself. God has spoken. The rest is commentary."
---Vicki on 5/9/09


Interesting debate. Those who object to Harold Camping's teachings are reading the Bible way they want to read. I guess this is why people didn't recognize their own God, when Jesus came. Nothing is suprising here.
---Jason on 5/9/09


As far as Camping proclaiming that we should leave the church:

Hebrews 10:25 - Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is], but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
---Mark on 5/8/09


Should we listen to Harold Camping? No. The biblical reason is simple: Harold Camping predicted the world would end in September 1994 and it obviously did not come to pass.

The bible provides a clear answer to the question, "How do we know if the Lord has spoken?"

when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken, the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18:22)

It matters not what a false prophet has to say about the "end of the church age" or anything else. His word is not from the Lord since his prediction has not come true.
---Dwight on 5/5/09


I just missed Harold. He was in the area this past wkend. Shall we take the next call please---Welcome to the open forum.
---anita on 5/4/09


I heard his teaching about the end of the churches, and thought it was impossible. But I really studied all the Bible passages he talks about, and I was amazed that it makes total sense. The Bible really shows that God is judging the churches. I was convinced after I read the Bible carefully.
---sue on 5/4/09


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Harold Camping, an endlessly looping tape-recorder, has memorized everything he has interpreted from his jaundiced view of the "the Bible". His television telephone-Forum: nothing but parroted answers to monotonous questions. Camping dismisses anyone who dares bring their view to the Forum. ONLY Camping understands how the Bible works. ONLY Camping is the authority. Camping continues an obsessively twisted horror story of punishment and death as God's word. His books proclaiming to be proofs are his Additions to the Bible: by his own rules thats heresy. Wake up people. Camping is afraid of death and he wants You to be afraid too. Hes got too many answers to be right about anything.
---Jeremiah on 5/1/09


I have met him and he is a humble man who really lives what he preaches. If you look carefully at the churches you will see they hold on to traditions of men just like the Pharosees did when Jesus came the first time. The churches want thier religion instead of the truth in the Bible. Today many preachers are divorced, they have women elders and preachers, they intertain instead of preaching, the list goes on and on. I do not despise the church I pray for them that they might correct their ways but unfortuneately their comes a time when God himself said." Jugdment begins with the house of God!". That time has come. Bill
---Bill on 4/23/09


Mimine, since you say that you believe in the teaching of Harold Camping, I must ask if he is your God, and if you reject the God of the Universe and and the God of all Creation?

Do you reject the very words of Christ which are found in Mark 13:32?

---Rob on 4/15/09


I believe in harold Campings teachings because he gives us biblical evidence. In which he always tells us to read for ourselves in order for God to give us understanding. I am still praying and asking God to open my eyes spiritually. We can't go by what men say but what the Bible (the book of life ) has said.
Remember that there will be one day, whether it's today, tonight, tomorrow, or in the next 2 years that our God will return. Hell will be real when Jesus returns, you have the people that say it's not true, or why? God loves us too much. But don't forget how God destroyed Sodom and Ghomorra. This terrible day is near and will be the wrath of God. And during that time it will be too late, and God will say "I never knew you".
---mimine on 4/15/09


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God is not cruel. He is just. If 97% of people reject Him, its not Gods fault. Its not a numbers thing. Mr. Camping comes accross very cold, and heartless, but I will give him this - he has a way of always making me examine my heart, and dig for answers myself. We should always be examining ourselves not out of fear or terror, but because we want to please our Heavenly Father who loves us.
Blessings
---Michael on 4/13/09


If harold camping is true, God is cruel. According to camping, 97% of the world's people alive when Christ returns in 2011 will be exterminated forever, only 3% will be saved . Does not God reward and punish one according to one's deeds? Will Nick Berg and the man sawing and tearing off his head sadistically end in the same fate? unreasonable, such a undiscriminating teaching is cruel to many people. Thank you for your calling and sharing, shall we take the next call
---globalchaser on 4/11/09


If Mr. Camping would show his true love for mankind, it most likely would not include his book profits, public speaking profits, and his financial ties with Family Radio. Mr. Camping thank you for calling, can we take the next call please. Thanks
---Cassie on 4/10/09


Anyone who says, "Thus sayeth the Lord...." ia being a prophet. Mr. Camping does this, not in exact words, each times he teaches from the Bible. As does anyone else quoting Scripture. God also says quite clearly in the Bible that anyone who says "Thus sayeth the Lord" and follows with a prediction of the future that does not come true, is not a prophet of God. These are false prophets. Mr. Camping has made several such predictions and none have come true. The last book he wrote concerning the date for the end of the world, titled 1994?, proved utterly wrong. He is a false prophet, not to be feared.
---Dom_Colangelo on 4/10/09


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Hell cant be a real place because God would have to create it and hell is seperation from God. There is no use debating about these things. God is the one who opens are eyes to understanding.
---Anita on 4/10/09


"...however it should lead us more to read the Bible for ourselves."

That's all HC wants of anybody. He reiterates this over and over in his Open Forum... read your Bible and pray for wisdom.

However, there will come a time, according to his timeline, when there will be NO time left to read the Bible. i.e., say April 2011, when the Christs return is days away. What then are we to do?
---John on 4/9/09


I have been following this blog. Its clear Mr Camping brings alot of hot topics for debate. My concerns are as follows...
1) It makes ANY christian uneasy to think no matter how much we beg God to save our sinful selves - He may never do so. To think we might not be saved brings doubt, and fear to anyone. This is horrible. Yet we also read "if we confess with our mouths that Jesus is Lord we shall be saved" ???
2) If we are part of a church bringing the gospel to the community (not a nutzo church) but a decent hard working, straped for cash type - we need to leave because it is being directed by satan???
Mr Camping can bring alot of unsureness to a believer... however it should lead us more to read the Bible for ourselves.
---Michael on 4/8/09


Sadly, Harold Camping is incorrect and obsessively incorrect. Sadly, because all his "predictions" are screams of fear of his own impending death. He is terrified of being extinguished. Biblically he's incorrect because he says parables and quotes must be Harmonized with other parts of the Bible, yet when he compares scripture with scripture he invariably shows contention and dogmatic opinion. His way his thought or the "highway". Pray for him. He's a frightened dying man who happens to own a radio and tv network. Sad.
---Jeremiah on 4/7/09


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Please don't refer to people as idiots...remember Jesus told us that those who say words such as "You fool!" are in danger of hell fire. Let's not only walk in great great love of God, but also great fear of God. Let's pray for all. Thank you and God bless.
---Anne on 4/2/09


YES, I have an opinion on Harold Camping !!!!.....If he truly is saying what you posted here he is truly ignorent of God's Holy Word!
And is acting as one os satans false prophets....Next time he is on the air turn him off! Save yourself, and be made aware that the only answers you can count on is YOUR OWN PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF GOD'S WORD!
If you do not have personal knowledge if you do not study in depth the Bible and its teachings you will be lead astry and be lost by listening to IDIOTS like Harold Camping.....
---Rev._Daniel on 4/2/09


Hi Testa,

This is not a trivial matter. Mr. Camping claims that all churches are now ruled by Satan, and we need to depart out. That is a very divisive teaching, and a harmful message to missionaries and pastors who are establishing Christian churches in order to disciple believers.

Those who trust Mr. Camping may make life changing decisions based on his 2011 prediction. For instance someone whose goal is to become a doctor, may decide to forget this goal, believing that long term goals are no longer applicable in the world.

Mr. Camping's teachings are not trivial and are very harmful. He claims that a true believer will leave his church and proclaim 2011. It is important to warn people of this dangerous teaching.
---Marc on 3/31/09


Why is this important to begin with?

Are we in our end times? I believe so, especially when you read what Revelations has to say.

However, instead of worrying about what Harold Camping's views are on going to church, or what John Doe has to say about another ends time situation, why not instead continue to live life as fully as you can each and every day the Lord gives you.

I do not believe the Lord wants us to sit back and worry about trivial matters but instead to continue to do His work and live according to how He teaches us to live.

God Bless
---lesla3685 on 3/31/09


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Camping's teaching about the end of the church age is wrong at it's foundation because he is adding to the Gospel. He teaches that Christ alone can no longer save, but now it's Christ PLUS resign your membership! Church membership has nothing to do with salvation by grace ALONE, thru faith ALONE, in Christ ALONE. Resigning your church membership is a WORK, and that is totally incompatible with salvation by grace. Camping is teaching a terrible heresy.

Dave W.
---David on 3/19/09


Here is my reply to Harold Camping's "End of the Church age": Who cares whent the end of the world is? Any one of us could die tomorrow or even today..car crash, heart attack, etc. Let's be ready NOW to die and not wait until tomorrow. Harold, you are wasting your time predicting the END.
The church age is alive and well and the church is Christ's body. There is no doubt that is what the Bible says.
---Kathy on 3/16/09


Augustine, It is cleary written in God's Word, that no man knows the day or the hour when Christ will return.

You wrote that God has made it exceptionally clear in His Word that the end He speaks of is in our year 2011.

Augustine, I have never read this in God's Word. Will you share where this is written in God's Word, so myself along with others can read it for ourselves?
---Rob on 3/11/09


I notice it is demanded that I respond to selective Bible verses, and I do so. Yet when I post Bible verses, they are ignored, and the response to God's Word is an attack on a Bible teacher named Harold Camping who has been world renoun by thousands of churches for decades of sound Bible teaching. But when the truth of God threatens to expose the den of thieves, their true nature shows.

Matt 21:13

May God bless us with His mercy.
---Augustine on 3/10/09


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Acts 1:7-8 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

We are not to concern ourselves as Christians with a date but we need to prepare our hearts and make sure we are saved and then tell others about Christ. Camping has a real pride problem needing to think he is right and going as far as calling God himself a liar. His spot in hell will be real hot im sure for misleading God's people. If he is saved maybe God will let him be a janitor or something in heaven.
---Dean on 3/10/09


Augstine you said:

Anyone who proclaims the TRUE Gospel is comparable to the prophets of old. We bring the same message.

how does God reveal the TRUE Gospel to you messangers? we now it's not a vision, dream or feeling! The prophets of old spoke directly to God. So how are you comparable?
---JC on 3/10/09


Camping uses the the words DEVELOPED and WORKED OUT. When describing SCRIPTURE study.
---JC on 3/10/09


Augustine, I believe the end will come for you and the other followers of Harold Camping.

It will come to an end in the same manner that things came to an end for those who followed Jim Jones and David Karesh.
---Rob on 3/10/09


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It will be exceptionally clear that Harold Camping was wrong when the year 2012 arrives. One good thing about this particular doctrine is that all we have to do is wait, and we will see that Harold Camping is wrong. All of the other heresies of Camping can be defended by constantly twisting and isolating scriptures.
All we have to do is wait to see that he is wrong, and at that time we will see all of the spiritual damage he has done to his listeners. His listeners are told not to go to any church or listen to any other christian ministry, so when 2011 passes, and Mr Camping passes on, where will Family Radio listeners be? They will be isolated and confused, thankfully we have the internet, to reach out to these people.
Jim B.
---JimB on 3/10/09


I would advise many of you to stop blaspheming by suggesting God knows things that Christ didn't even though they are one and the same. "I and my father are one." -John 10:30

God has made it exceptionally clear in His Word that the end He speaks of is in our year 2011. May God have mercy.
---Augustine on 3/9/09


I think all bloggers here understand that Camping is a false prophet, Herectic, fraud, and is directed by satan himself. I am very offended by this guy and will no longer listen to his radio station even though I do love the music. The more I find out about this guy the more furious I get. I could put verses here to confirm he's wrong but we all know them, I'm just here to let people know that I agree he's a fake and not to follow his "teachings". GOD and the Bible are the ONLY authorities,,period. Camping...it's time for you to either get in line with the truth or turn over your radio station and go find a job no associated with Christ.
---Dean on 3/8/09


Messiah did not know the DAY or hour, but Camping does? Can I say it? Camping is a fraud! Any man that puts a date on >>God's<< plans is either God himself or a fraud!

Ken
---Ken_Rank on 3/9/09


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If the rapture does not occur on May 11
2011, Will these people still believe
Camping is correct,assuming He's still
alive? This still boils down to Camping's interpretation of scripture, He could very
well be wrong, as he was in the past.
---Greg on 3/5/09


Raymond,

You were right to walk away when you realized he taught falsely. People like yourself, who are aware of their failings and are self-condemning, seem to respond to someone who validates their feelings of unworthiness.

Camping teaches that if you cry out to God, He MIGHT save you. That is not the message of the gospel. The good news is that Jesus paid the penalty for your sin. Salvation is by grace, not by works. You will struggle with sin all your life, but you are no longer condemned, because you've been forgiven.

The warning to those who say they love Jesus but do not do what He says is for those who are practicing sin with an unrepentant heart.
---Laurie on 3/5/09


I never suggested that my opinion was the Word of God, and put my opinion in parenthesis to make it clear that it was my opinion. Harold Camping's opinion is also not the Word of God.
For example:

Harold Camping says he knows the day that the Lord will return on Sep 21, 2011.

Jesus himself says: Mark 13:33 "Take heed, watch and pray, for you do not know when the time is"

Who are you following Harold Camping or Jesus Christ?
When God says that day will not overtake us as a thief, it is not saying we know the exact day, it means that we will not spend eternity in Hell, we will go to Heaven if we are always ready to die, or ready whenever Christ returns.

JimB
---JimB on 3/5/09


Augustine, You asked what verses show that Jonah's prophecy gave the implication of the possibility of mercy. The message of destruction in 40 days itself carried that logical implication. Why would God give this warning? The Ninevites did not know for sure. One possibility was so that they would repent. Another possibility was so that God would be glorified in their destruction. These verses show that they hoped the first possibility was true, and indeed it was!
9 "Who knoweth whether God will not turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? 10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way, and God repented of the evil which he said he would do unto them, and he did it not."
---Marc on 3/5/09


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An important question is whether Campings hermanutics are correct.I believed he was correct in 1994. Afterward,I was truly upset with myself for preaching that the world would end and I returned to my former church and stopped listening to family radio for many years.I fell into more and more sin.I have started listening to him again and have come understand the power of God in Salvation.I do not believe I am saved right now but am praying that God would give me understanding to truly love his word and his commandments. After all, why do we call him Lord and do not the things that he says? Do we love the world or the Bible? That is my struggle. Can any relate?
---raymond on 3/5/09


Jim, I was referring to the words you inserted in the middle of verse 13: "...(WISE AND UNWISE)..." Your opinion is not the Word of God, my friend.

Laurie, you said because Camping predicted 1994, he is a false prophet. (He actually taught it was a very likely possibility, not a certainty). But Jonah taught 40 days to destruction and it didn't happen. So by your own definition, Jonah was a false prophet.

Again, I'm not following Camping any more than you are following Jim or Marc. Camping and I, and many others, are following the Bible. And from what Jim is saying now, he apparently agrees that he should have taken Camping's advice and never joined any kind of separatist cult that follows Camping or anyone else.
---Augustine on 3/4/09


Raymond,

I think Camping's teaching on salvation is absolutely wrong, in fact, off the top of my head I can't think of one of his teachings I do agree with.

Date setting, along with other teachings he says he received from God, are what he uses to draw people in.
---Laurie on 3/4/09


Tom,

There are many ministries that are NOT all about money, so what you're saying is untrue. Camping's teaching's are based on private interpretation, not God's revelation.

The church leaders who have attempted to reason with Camping, pointing out his errors and asking him to repent, have done so out of concern for him and for those he is leading astray.

Mr. Camping has ignored godly counsel and continues his false teaching.
---Laurie on 3/4/09


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We are saved from eternal punishment, NOT annihilation.

Matthew 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels".

Matthew 25:46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal. life".

Is there any way to TWIST these verses?
Harold Camping taught for almost 50 years, extreme Hell and Damnation, and condemned the Churches for being watered down, and not preaching enough Hell!!! Then around November 2007, he started teaching the HERESY of Annihilation like the Jehovah's Witnesses!!!!! Most followers of Harold Camping also believe this heresy now!!!!!!
JimB
---JimB on 3/4/09


I have ordered Mr. Campings books and have read some of them. I read about 3/4 of the end of the church age,I read all of "we are almost there", and all of "to God be the glory". After all, the books are free and if you want to understand what Mr. Camping is teaching you have to do some work.Most of us are familiar with the verse "no man knoweth the day or the hour". Now we can just use that one verse to conclude he is wrong,as if camping never read that verse before. I believe the most important thing he is teaching,beside The Lords return in 2011,is the nature of salvation.He is absolutely right..
---Raymond on 3/4/09


Augustine,

"It seems we need to throw out the Book of Jonah, because it was obviously a false prophecy..."

That was your statement, and it sounds like you're accusing Jonah of being a false prophet.

You've made it clear you agree with Camping's teaching's, you believe God is revealing this information to him, and you consistently defend him, so I don't think I'm out of line to consider you a follower of his.

Your statement to Jim was that by disregarding Camping's advice, he was rebelling against God, that's what prompted my comment about people who seem willing to obey Camping.

For the record, I believe Jonah was not a false prophet.
---Laurie on 3/4/09


Those against Mr. Camping, the secular ministries, stand to lose alot of money in collections. With organized man made secular religion it always boils down to money.
---Tom on 3/4/09


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Augustine,
When I put my own words after Matthew 25, I was simply adding my own closing thoughts, I was not implying that it was part of the Bible. I am not embarassed by the cult I was in. I openly admit that it was wrong, and I am trying to use my mistakes to help others, like you. Harold Camping today is a cult leader, and if you listen to him and agree with ALL of his heresies, than you are also following a cult like I was. Camping's heresies include
1) Annihilation of the Devil and unbelievers (which the Jehovah's Witnesses believe also)
2) "ALL churches in the world are of Satan"
3) The world will end in 2011
4) "Hope" you are saved
5) and many, many other heresies
God Bless,
Jim B.
---JimB on 3/4/09


Laurie,

1. I don't "follow" Camping.
2. I never said anyone rebelled against God by leaving any teaching.
3. I didn't accuse Jonah of false prophecy. I was illustrating how you are accusing Jonah of false prophecy.
4. I never said I was offended by anyone who questions Camping as I question and disagree with him on certain things.
5. I never said anything about certain people willing to obey Camping.

Everything in your post was false. If you can't debate on what I am actually saying, it would be better to opt out than to lie on a written forum where everything is documented.
---Augustine on 3/3/09


Laurie, please read more carefully so you dont falsely accuse my posts. I didnt say Jim rebelled by leaving Camping. I said he rebelled by joining a commune devoted to Camping. I think by separating himself from society, he disobeyed Gods command to shine the light of the Gospel on the world and to sound the warning. We dont accomplish this by hiding away and devoting ourselves to a teacher as Jim did with Camping. Even Camping thinks this kind of behavior is ludicrous. Im not faulting Jim for the sin, mind you. I simply see bitterness caused by the embarrassment of this act, thats all. And I was saying that it is you that accuse Jonah of a false prophecy when you say Camping is a false prophet.
---Augustine on 3/3/09


Jim, when I saw you add your own words to Mark 25:13, I must admit I was a bit speechless. I pray that you know better than to do that, so I don't know why you did it.

To answer your questions, "You do not know when the time is"... Simple... they didn't know. He didn't say or imply that no one will ever know. In fact, many verses imply we will know.

To put the other verses in perspective: "...IF THEREFORE THOU SHALT NOT WATCH, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." Rev 3:3.

1Thes5:2,5: ..."the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night...But ye, brethren, are not in darkness that that day shall overtake you as a thief."
---Augustine on 3/3/09


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Marc, could you please cite the verse that implies that Jonahs warning of 40 days came with a chance of mercy? The account is very simple, and no implication exists. In fact, Jonah was even angry when it didnt come to pass. Please correct yourself so that I can respond appropriately.

And Laurie, I don't follow Camping any more than you follow Marc or Jim. I follow God. Camping and I happen to be in agreement in what God reveals to His followers through His Word. It's only through His Mercy, and I'm incredibly blessed by this and can only strive to spread the word as far and wide as possible, which is what I am doing here.
---Augustine on 3/3/09


Augustine,

let me try to get this strait. the messenger(camping) sets the trap. tells people not to beleive him, belevie the bible. so if something does not come to pass you get caught in the trap because you listen to him (camping) instead of the bible. so that would mean everybody that believes camping and did not do there home work (read the bible)when the rapture comes also get caught in the trap and will not be raptured because they just beleived him.
---JC on 3/3/09


Augustine,
You say that I am bitter, and therefore you can disregard all of the verses I bring up.

Mark 13:33 Take heed, watch and pray, for you do not know when the time is.

Matthew 24:44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

Acts 1:7 And He said to them, It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

Please tell us what these verses mean, if you don't address these verses, you are admitting you don't know how to twist them to get around them, and therefore you are in trouble with GOD ALMIGHTY
Jim B.
---JimB on 3/3/09


Augustine,

It is so typical for false teachers, and those who follow them, to say someone is rebelling against God by leaving those teachings.

Interesting that you have no problem accusing Jonah of false prophecy, but you're offended by anyone who questions Camping.

You're right in saying only certain people seem willing to hear and obey Camping.
---Laurie on 3/3/09


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Augustine,

You asked a question that no one has answered. You wrote, "It seems we need to throw out the Book of Jonah, because it was obviously a false prophecy, unless you believe Jonah's excuse that "God changed His mind"...right?" No, you are wrong. Here is why: Jonah was commanded by God to tell the Ninevites that they would be destroyed in 40 days. The warning implied that there was a possibility that God would spare them if they repented. The Ninevites understood that Jonah's message implied the possibility of mercy. They repented and God graciously spared them. Mr. Camping's false prediction of 1994 carried no implication that God would grant the world more time if we repented. Right?
---Marc on 3/2/09


Jim, I believe your bitterness against the messenger comes from blaming Camping for your joining a separatist commune, disregarding Camping's advice and rebelling against God in doing so. You are blaming Camping for your decision, rather than claiming responsibility for your own sin. This is a trap you need to avoid.

Mark, I appreciate you explaining what I meant, but it's futile, not because I'm not agreed with, but I'm not really heard. But I know the message only takes root in those whom God reveals it to, and those are very rare. I'm here only to sound the warning.
---Augustine on 3/2/09


**Katavasia, you wrote "*2011 IS NO MAYBE. CAMPING IS NOT PREDICTING IT. GOD IS TEACHING IT. I WILL NOT REJECT GOD'S WORD."**

Et reliqua.

In fairness to you, Rob, I was actually quoting a Harold Camping fan.

It's easy to lose track of who said what here, which is why I put quotes from other posters between asterisks.

I'm no Harold Camping fan, I assure you. On the basis of what I've seen here, he would seem to be a false prophet.
---katavasia on 3/2/09


Augustine, Mr. Camping expected Christ's return in 1994. I remember when attending his fellowships, that if you disagreed with the 1994 prediction, as I did, you were accused of not believing the Bible. Here are the concluding words Mr. Camping gave in 1994? "If this study is accurate and I believe with all of my heart that it is, there will be no extensions in time. There will not be time for second guessing. When September 6, 1994, arrives, no one else can become saved. The end has come." (page 533).
---Marc on 3/1/09


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Augustine said he did not see any reference to knowledge of time in Mark 13:32. I guess he never read the verses immediately after...
Mark13:33 Take heed, watch and pray, for you do **NOT KNOW WHEN THE TIME** is. 34 It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35 Watch therefore, for you do **NOT KNOW WHEN*** the master of the house is coming in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning 36 lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!
Some people trust Mr Camping as their final authority, and do not trust the Bible and Jesus' clear words.
JimB
---JimB on 3/1/09


Interesting blog. I must submit that the verses used in Mark 13 are NOT speaking of time. Someone referred to the word "of" in a scoffing way, saying this cannot disqualify time.. indeed it does. "OF" as it is used here is from the Greek root-word "peri" which ABSOLUTELY means "experience", or "likened unto."
Many folks bombarding Augustine in this blog are giving evidence of them not being serious Bible students. It is true Christ is God himself, He appointed the day. To truly think Christ doesn't know the timing, is to be fooling yourself and calling God a liar. Christ spoke these words before Calvary, having not yet experienced God's wrath.
---Mark on 2/28/09


Wow JIMB: That must have been so very confusing and difficult to put behind you. It is a wonder that you were even interested in Christianity at all after that. It goes to show that God really can cause you to stand and He does draw His children to Him in truth. Do you find yourself ministering to Christian-like cult members? Keep the faith brother:).
---jody on 2/27/09


Augustine, unless you are living in another world on another planet, day and hour is refering to time.

Yes Jesus is God, but scripture tells us Jesus is God the Son, not God the Father.

Please don't twist and change scripture to say what you want it to say, Romans 1:25 and Revelation 22:18-19.
---Rob on 2/27/09


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I have been listening to family radios harold camping for a week and ive got to say he's way off his teachings are personalized in a way that is convinent to him he does know some of the scriptures but doesnt listen to Gods word in a way he's doing everything he says the church is "leading people away from the truth"
No man knows the day or the hour not even harold.
---jake on 2/27/09


Matthew 25:(1) Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish .... (6) And at midnight a cry was heard: Behold, the bridegroom is coming, go out to meet him!
(NOTICE THE WISE DID NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THE BRIDEGROOM WAS COMING, BUT THEY WERE READY, THEY DID KNOW HE WAS COMING SOON) (7) Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps .... (13) Watch therefore, for YOU (WISE AND UNWISE) know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

Augustine: Please address these words of the Lord Jesus Christ!!!!

God Bless,
JimB
---JimB on 2/27/09


Campingites keep quoting the verse "OF that day and hour, knows no man" and they say "of" mean about how bad it is, and they say that NOAH knew when the flood was coming, and the unsaved did not know. Here are verses that say that BELIEVERS do NOT know the exact TIME when THEIR LORD will return.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore, for YOU (BELIEVERS) do not know what hour YOUR LORD is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour YOU (BELIEVERS) do not expect. We can die any second, and we must always be ready to meet God.
JimB
---JimB on 2/27/09


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