But what good are these without LOVE?
Love is also a GIFT of the spirit. |
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---Amy9384 on 7/25/08 |
Gifts of the Spirit are not natural gifts, God's gifts. God uses vessels, hearts that are consecrated to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. If you step out without the power of God, you'll step out into error. God can use children if He wants, to. Childlike faith is precious in the eyes of the Lord. |
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---Michelle on 7/7/07 |
Ramon:: Every Court has a jester,R/Herb fills this office, dont let him get to you.Even Jesters like to have fun when not entertaining. |
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---Emcee on 7/7/07 |
There are nine (9) Gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Tongues,
Interpretations of Tongue,
Prophecy,
Word of Wisdom,
Word of Knowledge,
Discerning of Spirits,
Wonder working Faith,
Working of Miracles,
Gifts of Healing. |
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---Dottie on 7/7/07 |
#4.Now, cessationists realize that they are arbitrarily picking which of the gifts have ceased and which ones are still here.They take the gift they dont like and say "Its has cease!.The logic and agruments that Cessationists use to disprove tongues is called "Cheap debate".
Tongues shall cease at the end of history, when the believer's knowledge and character becomes perfect in eternity after Christ's second coming.But anyone will believe what ever they desire. |
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---Ramon on 9/5/06 |
Rev.Herb.#3.When the perfect comes, we will see God face to face and know as perfectly as He knows us (v. 12). Manifestly, this has not yet occurred. Rather, it appears that the "perfect" thing spoken of here is Jesus himself, and that it comes when he returns.
It is intersting that while cessationists say that the Bible is clear that the prophetic gifts have ceased; when asked when the Bible states that the gifts have ceased, each cessationist gives a different answer! |
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---Ramon on 9/5/06 |
Rev.Herb#2. You said this is refering to the bible. Now did Paul knew they was going to be any such thing as the "bible"? Please state scriptures.
Paul wrote 1 Corinthians about 55-56 A.D, now did Paul at this point knew all the books that will be included in this "perfect bible"? Please state scriptures.
Books was still been writing after Paul wrote 1 Cor, did Paul have future knowledge of these books?, since he knew the perfect bible will be. |
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---Ramon on 9/5/06 |
Rev.Herb. The Scripture you mention does not only speak about Tongues, it also speaks about prophecies and knowledge.
One question: Why are you attacking just "Tongues"?
That time is describe as "when that which is perfect is come" has nothing to do when the bible. This refers to the end of history, when the believer's knowledge and character become perfect. |
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---Ramon on 9/5/06 |
Rev Herb...the scripture you quoted on 9/2 about tongues ending when that which is perfect comes also talks about knowledge and prophecy ending too...do you believe they are dead too or do you just pick on tongues because it suits your itching ears. |
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---sam on 9/4/06 |
Hello Sam:: I'm a member.RC,as some say a cradle Catholic.These are directly from the Catechism In a nut shell.Jesus said Be perfect as your heavenly Father is Perfect; Mat5;48In confirmation we recieve these fruits which enable us to obtain the Gifts of the Holy spirit. IF we but strive to obtain this perfection.The HS was the First introductory vide Hebrews6;2-4This is the foundation of Christianity later confirmed by the ProphetsJoel.Isaiah,Ezekieljesus sends his HSjn14;16 luke24;49-acts1;5jn7;38 |
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---Emcee on 9/3/06 |
Ramon, just reading your post about the Holy Spirit caused my faith to take a leap. Rom 8:11 "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you." |
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---Raine on 9/3/06 |
Herb, from your post it seems that you elevate the written Word over the very Lord of that Word. The Lord Jesus Christ is the mature (perfect) man that we are to come to the measure of the stature of the fullness of. Psalms 37:37 makes it clear that there is but one perfect and further clarifies that the perfect is a man. |
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---Linda on 9/2/06 |
Tongues ceased around the time of the end of the apostles and didn't really serface again untill about 1802. The bible says that they will cease when that which is perfect is come, refering to the bible not Jesus. |
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---Rev_Herb on 9/2/06 |
Hunh emcee? What book are you using?
1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:8-10 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: |
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---sam on 9/2/06 |
There are 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit which are as Follows:-wisdom-Understanding-Counsel-Fortitude - Knowledge-Piety-Fear of the Lord.
The FRUITS of the Holy Spirit are as Follows:-Charity-Faith-Joy-peace-goodness-patience-Benignity-longanimity-mildness-modesty-continence-& Chastity.
For those who desire to know. |
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---Emcee on 8/31/06 |
greetings,the question is short but the holy spirit has 7 attatched or adjundant spirits"seven spirits of God"and they are intuition,understanding,courage,knowledge,council,wisdom and worship.only man has the last "spirit"thus classifying him as a 'man'.animals do not have seven.thanks |
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---earl on 8/31/06 |
#5 He knew they had; for otherwise, they would have had only what the fathers had under the old covenant. Paul meant, Do all members of the assembly speak in tongues as a gift? Do all members of the body have the same functions? |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#4 It showed them their place and wealth in Christ and their eternal goal and reward. Men object to speaking in tongues as the distinctive sign of the fulness of the Spirit. They say that the Apostle asked, "do all speak with tongues?" - I Cor. 12:30. But that question is no proof against it; for he was not speaking of the initial filling, or anointing with the Spirit. He does not say, Did you all speak in tongues when you received the Spirit? |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#3 Over twenty years after Pentecost, the Spirit fell in Ephesus, and the recipients "spoke in tongues and prophesied" - Acts 19. And there is not one word in the New Testament, which says that these should be discontinued. It is Satan's cunning scheme to keep the supernatural out of the Church. The epistles were written to people who had been filled with the Spirit. It instructing them how to walk in the Spirit, how to gain victory over sin, how to grow up into Christ. |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#2 Jesus had said, "these signs shall follow them that believe". Mark 16:17, and tongues was the second in the list. Paul wrote that "Tongues are a sign." The signs did follow and they did continue. Ten years after Pentecost, the Holy Spirit fell on Cornelius and his friends, speaking in other Tongues. Acts 10:46. About twenty years after Pentecost, speaking in tongues began in Corinth - Compare Acts 18 with I Corinthians 2 and 14. |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#1 I Cor. 12:10 "Tongues" Tongues were for the beginning of this age, and for now. Paul said, "tongues shall cease." But he also said in the same verse, "prophecies and knowledge shall be done away." When? He answers, "when that which is perfect is come;" that is, when Christ shall call us to glory. Not till then should any of the three manifestations cease. The 120 "began to speak in tongues," which implies that it should continue. |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#2 Prophecy is always based upon, and in agrees with the Word of God. Any prophecy, or revelation that doesnt agree with the Word of God has the curse of God on it. Is. 11:3 It is given to some for the defense of the Church, or cause of God. It is not the possession of every one. For this reason, John says, "I John 4:1 Try the Spirits, it is not safe to accept everyone who claims to be a Christian, or a prophet of God. |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#1 I Cor. 12:10, "Prophecy" , This word literally means, "speaking for another." In I Cor. 14:3, it is defined as speaking to "edification and exhortation and comfort." Telling past events is as much prophecy as foretelling future events. The Old Testament prophets always combined the two, declaring what God had done and what He would do. Some have this gift permanently. But one who doesnt have the gift, may prophecy on some special occasion. |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#2 Every healing and miracle is a sign; but not every healing is called a miracle, tho' every one is miraculous in the sense of being supernatural. The purpose of hearings, signs and miracles are to "confirm the Word", Mark 16:20; Heb. 2:4, to show forth the glory of Christ, John 2:11, and that men may believe, Acts 8:6, 7. It is illogical and unscriptural to try to keep these gifts out of the Church. |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#1 I Cor 12:10 "The working of miracles". The real meaning is "working of mighty works. Mark 6:5; "mighty deeds" , II Cor.12:12. And "miracles", Acts 2:22; Acts 8:13; Heb. 2:4. In the Verses, it is associated with and distinguished rom "signs and wonders." Acts 8:7,13; Mark 9:38,39 shows that casting out demons is termed a miracle, or work of power. And God works great miracles thru the hands of Paul, in healing the sick and casting out demons. |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#4 Rom. 12:6. This was the experience of Jesus who, "did not many mighty works, because of their unbelief ". Matt. 13:58. The trial of our faith from a delayed answer, are worth more to God and to us than the answer itself. The gifts of healings would be seen more often if the saints were really expecting them. |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#3 The Spirit fully equipped the Church. James 5:14,15 . "The elders of the assembly" are expected to possess the "gifts of healing." Mark 6:13. Elders should have these gifts but they are limited to only them. It is always "as He, the Spirit, will." We must not expect too much from the elders. "let your expectation be from the Lord, and according to the proportion of faith. |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#2 All the gifts were in Christ. He gave the twelve power to heal the sick and work miracles. Matt. 10:8 and Mark 6:13. At the close of His ministry here, Jesus gave them a larger commission, naming five signs that should follow to confirm the Word . Mark 16:17-20 That was especially for the Kingdom. When the King was rejected, the Holy Spirit came, the above two gifts - healings and miracles - were given to the Church. |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#1 I Cor. 12 9 "Faith to a different one". This faith is a gift for special circumstance or event. Or it may be given continuously for a certain line of service. It may used to obtain victory. It may trigger a revival, bring healing to a difficult case, or hold back the enemy from some individual or meeting. Joshua, the Apostle Paul, George Muller are examples of a continuous gift of faith. "to another gifts of healings". |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#2 Many unlearned in the Word get ideas and think them to be words of wisdom or knowledge and they give them out as such; but they have no effect because they are powerless. Jesus and all the apostles and New Testament workers and writers spoke words of wisdom and knowledge as "moved by the Holy Spirit," quoting Scripture, saying "as it is written." Knowledge and wisdom comes by searching out the word of God. The use of them should be under the Spirit's control. |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#1 I Cor. 12 8 "A word of wisdom ," "A word of knowledge". The Holy Spirit is "The Spirit of wisdom and knowledge". Is. 11:2 They are at the head of the list to guard, guide and control all the others. The Spirit does not give us a full " word of wisdom or of knowledge" unless we have a knowledge of God's Word. Ignorance of the Word is why so many prophecies, messages in tongues and interpretations have not proven true. |
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---Debbie on 8/31/06 |
#11.Those who speak in tongues should pray also for the gift of interpretation (1 Cor 14:13)
1 Cor 13:8.Spirtual gifts such as prophecy, tongues and knowledge will cease at the end of this age.That time is describe as "when that which is perfect is come"(v10). Until then, we need the Holy Spirit and his gifts in our Churches, There is no indication here or elsewhere in scriptures that the manifestation of the Spirit through his gifts would cease at the end of the first century era. |
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---Ramon on 8/31/06 |
#10.(D) Tongues in the congregation Must be accompanied by a Spirit-given interpreation that communicates the content and meaning of the utterance to the commutity of believers(1 Cor 14:3, 27-28).It may contain a revelation, knowledge etc (1 Cor 14:6).
9.Interpretaion of tongues-This is the ability to understand and comminicate the meaning of a utterance spoken in Tongues. The gift may be given to the one who speaks in tongues or someone else. |
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---Ramon on 8/31/06 |
#9.(B) Speaking in tongues invoves the human spirit and the Spirit of God intermingling so that the believer communicates directly to God giving expression or utterance at the level of one's spirit rather than the mind(1 Cor 14:2,14) and praying for oneself or others under the direct influence of the Holy Spirit apart from the activity of the mind.
(C).Speaking in tongues within the Church must be regulated. The speaker may never be "out of control" in anyway. |
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---Ramon on 8/31/06 |
#8. 8.Speaking in different tongues kinds of tongues- Concerding "tongues"(Gk Glessa, meaning guage) as a supernatural manifestation of the Spirit, the following is very important to understand:
(A).Tongues may be an existing spoken language(Acts 2:4-6) or a language unknown on earth("Tongues of angels" 1 Cor 13:1). Such speech has not been learned and is often unintelligible both to the speaker(1 Cor 14:14) and to the hearers(1 Cor 14:16). |
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---Ramon on 8/31/06 |
#7. 7.Distinguishing between spirits- This gift is a special Spirit-given abiltity to properly discern evil spirits and to distinguish whether or not an utterance is from the Holy Spirit(1 Cor 14:29,1 John 4:1). Toward the end of the age when false teachers(Mat 24:5)"the spirit of error"(1 John 4:6) and deciving spirits will greatly increase(1 Tim 4:1) this gift will be extremely important for the Church.
Many "false teachers" will corrupt the Church. |
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---Ramon on 8/31/06 |
#6.6 Prophecy-Here we must distinguish between prohecy as a temporary manifestation of the Spirit(1 Cor 12:10)and prophecy as a ministry gift of the Church(Eph 4:11). As a ministry gift, prophecy is given only some belivers, who must then function as prophets within the Church. As a spiritual manifestion, prophecy is potentially avaiable to every Spirit-Filled Christians (Acts 2:17-17).However all prophecy must be tested be tested for genuineness and truth.(1 Cor 14:29, 32:1). |
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---Ramon on 8/31/06 |
#5. Healing may also come as a result of obedience to the instruction of Jas 5:14-16.
5.Miraculous powers- These are deeds of supernatural power that alter the normal course of nature. They include divine acts in which God's kingdom is manifested against Satan and evil spirits(John 6:2). |
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---Ramon on 8/31/06 |
#4. Gifts of healing- These gifts are given to the Church to restore physical health by supernatural means(Mat 4:23-25; 10:1; Acts 3:6-8; 4:30). The plural form of the word ("Gifts") indicates healing of various illnesses and suggests that every act healing is a special gift of God.
Although gifts of healing are not given to every member of the body in a special way(1 Cor 12:11;30),all member may pray for the sick.When faith is present, the sick will be healed. |
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---Ramon on 8/31/06 |
#3.3.Faith- This is not saving faith, but a special supernatural faith imparted by the Holy Spirit that enables the Christian to believe God for the extraordinary and miraculous. It is a faith so strong that it moves mountains(1 Cor 13:2) and is often found in combination with other manifestations such as healing and miracles(Mat 17:20,Mark 11:22-24, Luke 17:6). |
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---Ramon on 8/31/06 |
#2.1.Message of wisdom-This is a wise utterance spoken through the operation of the Holy Spirit. It applies the revelation of God's Word or the Holy Spirit wisdom to a specfic situation or problem(Acts 6:10; 15:13-22).It is not, however, the same as having the wisdom of God for daily living.
2.Message of Knowledge-This is an utterance inspired by the Holy Apirit that reveals knowledge about people etc.Its is often connected closely with prophecy (Acts 5:1-10;10:47-48;15:7-11) |
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---Ramon on 8/31/06 |
Doug.In 1 Cor 12:8-10, Paul lists a variety of gifts of the Holy Spirit that the Holy Spirit gives to believers(note:believers). Here the list and explantion of each as describe in the Holy Scriptures.
Please note that Paul did not define their characteristics here, we must use other scripture to see what they are. |
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---Ramon on 8/31/06 |
I am happy with the every information that you are provided. |
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---Tassew on 8/30/06 |
Also, some of the things Scripture describes as gifts from God are
James 4:6 -- grace
Philippians 4:7 -- peace
Hebrews 4:1,9 -- rest
John 10:28; Romans 6:23 -- eternal life
Psalm 127:3 -- children
Ezekiel 11:19 -- a new heart
1 Corinthians 7:7 -- celibacy (without being ruled by lust) |
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---Amy9384 on 8/30/06 |
Romans 12 service, teaching, exhortation,
giving, leadership,the showing of mercy.
Isaiah 11:1-5 wisdom (also James 1:5)understanding, counsel, strength,
knowledge, and the fear of the LORD
and 5-7 say
a special force or effectiveness of words/communication (v.4b; see Rm 12 'exhortation'), and a gift for being just to the oppressed in an unjust world (v.4a). |
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---Amy9384 on 8/30/06 |
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