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Are Abortions Ever Right

An 11 year old girl was raped by her stepfather and became pregnant. She then had an abortion. Should Christians approve of abortion in situations like this?

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The fact that one mother died in childbirth (can't remember which right now) bears witness that the mother should be willing to esteem the life of the child above hers just as all are to esteem their brethren above themselves and be willing to lay down their lives as Christ did.
Saving the mother is no excuse for disobedience to the word.
---Frank on 12/7/07

Those that are of the opinion that an egg has no life when did a GP order a woman to take out her womb because there was no life in it!
---Carla5754 on 12/7/07 is never right to kill an innocent helpless baby in the womb.
---lisa on 12/7/07

Having the baby salt poisoned or even the morning after pill is no easy ride and giving birth to a dead baby what kind of in justice would you be putting the child through again the vacuum used to remove the fetus can actually damage the womb not something a child should undergo then relive it when in the position to marry and have her own baby.
---Carla5754 on 12/6/07

Well said, Dan. :) Beautiful. Amen. :)
---Mary on 12/5/07

Talk about legalism. Why do we spend so much time and money on this issue. In my opiinion the better option is to lead people to Christ so that He can tell them what is right or wrong. Our job is not to legislate morality, but to get people in touch with it's Author. Build that personal relationship with Him. The problem goes away.
---dan on 12/5/07

Right now I know of lots of women that has had problems linked with taking the pill and if that's natural I wouldn't want weight gain, a bleeding uterus,breast cancer, thrombosis, mood swings and a bunch of other side effects all in the name of pleasure without the baby. The MEN ain't complaining tho their Well Satisfied. WAKE UP! It's a control thing >period< that women are suckered into. Why ain't the men taking the responsibility?
---Carla5754 on 12/5/07

No NEVER the trauma is bad enough How can that be plausible Having a baby is going to be even more difficult but the rewards of a loving mother that raise both with support counselling and care will bring benefits to all Forgiveness is not out of the window despite it being unseemly Time heals forgiveness FREE's one of guilt Thats more like raping her again legally have you any idea what this process involves? Google abortion that's if you'll have any stomach contents left.
---Carla5754 on 12/5/07

saultopaul, you are raising frivolous comparisons. Kraft? So feeding my family is supporting murder... not even close. Next you are going to say something off the wall like, anyone that eats beef is a murderer because they are supporting the farmers that raise the livestock that harvests harmful bacteria that killed someone in Mongolia. Get real. you help kill babies, the end.
---tofurabby on 12/4/07

Those Plan B contraceptive pills hopefully will make abortions less likely. But like anything else, they probably will have some negative side effects.

As to the morality, the Bible view is that if there is no blood there is no life - Lev. 17:11 and a fertilized egg does not have any blood for the first few days.
---lee1538 on 12/9/06

A birth-control option is called emergency contraception. It can reduce a woman's chance of becoming pregnant by 89 percent if taken within 72 hours after sex. And, now, it's available over the counter under the brand name Plan B. If more women knew the facts about Plan B - what it does, how it works, and where they can get it - and used it correctly and consistently, then we could cut in half the three million unintended pregnancies in this country every year, and greatly reduce the need for abortion
---notlaw99 on 12/8/06

RJ - I will stick with what the Bible says and you can do otherwise on this issue.
---lee1538 on 11/27/06

lee, according to your 11/25 post, your sounding like a broken record.
---RJ on 11/27/06

sam - and are we not also lucky that Mary did not fall down a flight of stairs and as a result have a natural abortion, known as a mis-carriage?
---lee on 11/26/06

There was a young couple who had an unexpected pregnancy. Their names were Mary and Joseph. I am glad they did not choose to abort the baby JESUS!~
---sam on 11/26/06

RJ - a fertilized egg is merely the primary or initial ingredient to life but there is no life until blood becomes part of the fertilized egg. A fertilized egg is not a dead entity but is not life until it has blood. View if you will a mere sperm cell, it wiggles and moves but is it life?

Again, since the fertilized egg does NOT have any blood initially, the biblical view that without blood there is no life.
---lee1538 on 11/25/06

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If a fertilized egg has no blood then why does it grow anyway until a few weeks later when there is blood, huh? Dead things don't grow so that fertilized egg has to be living! Hello! The interuterine device (IUD)method of birth control can cause an egg to be expelled which is an abortion. This is common sense. Birth control is to PREVENT conception, and an IUD can disrupt and cause a life to end that is in its beginning stages.
---RJ on 11/25/06

RJ - a fertilized egg does not have any blood in it until a couple of weeks later. In any case, the Biblical view is that where there is no blood, there is no life.

In veiw of that fact, the use of some birth control measures that prevent the egg from attaching itself to the walls of the uterus, technically cannot be viewed as abortive.

Your conflict is with the difference between what your church (and perhaps mine) has decreed and what the Bible says.
---lee on 11/19/06

I understand, HIS WAYS are NOT our ways.
---Jan on 11/18/06

I have one question about all this: WHY did God command the murder of infants & children in the old testament? Baby's that were already totally born? Because the parents were evil?
---sue on 11/18/06

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God clearly says he knew the child BEFORE it was in the Mothers womb.
---jan on 11/17/06

I know what Leviticis says, however, as God designed for an egg to be fertilized it is the beginning of a human life! To say there is no life just because at that millisecond of an fertilized egg may not have blood makes no sense because that egg starts to grow anyway Human life BEGINS from the miraculous moment when an egg & sperm unite.
---RJ on 11/12/06

Scientists have proven that at conception, when an egg is fertilized, everything is already there for a human being until old age.

Agree, but the Biblical view is that where there is no blood, there is no life - Levitical 17:11.
---lee on 11/11/06

Jeanne, there is the alternative of ADOPTION in those extreme cases.
---RJ on 11/11/06

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Scientists have proven that at conception, when an egg is fertilized, everything is already there for a human being until old age. All that is needed is time for growth and development. Weeks go by before a woman realizes she's pregnant, by then a heart is beating.
---RJ on 11/11/06

*I'm more concerned about what the Word of God has to say about innocent life...*

While there may be some justification to have an abortion say in some limited medical situations; say to save the life of the mother, blood disease, cancer, etc. the biblical position is that if there is no blood in the fertilized egg then there is no life (leviticus 17:11). Life does not begin when an egg is fertilized.
---lee on 11/9/06

If a kid is raped & cant pass that child or have a C-section w/out death to the minor then yes. It is a horrible solution to a sad problem. If a woman lets say has 3 or 5 kids and no one to help her she is raped, or sinned or her hubby leaves & she is pregnant again & the doctor says it will kill her even w/a C-section due to whatever. Then for the sake of the children she has to raise they need her or they become orphans of the state then yes. But I only believe it in very extreme cases not just because.
---Jeanne on 11/9/06

Having an abortion to save the life of the mother is a smokescreen (and the chances of happening are practically nil) from the pro-death crowd to keep the abortuaries in their millions of $$$ business. I'm more concerned about what the Word of God has to say about innocent life (includes the preborn)than excuses, smokescreens that the world or even any "Christian" person has to say.
---RJ on 10/27/06

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Another 'grey area' that can be encountered is the problem of having an abortion to save the life of the mother.

And yet another is a problem with someone that is insane or in very poor mental health or suffering from drug addiction.

One agency in NV pays for abortion of drug addicts but along with that is a free sterilization.

Some would reason that not having an abortion can be a greater wrong as it may produce much suffering for the victims.
---lee on 10/27/06

Doree: In the grey areas you mentioned like an 11 year old being raped & conceiving abortion is ok--WRONG!! Gospel singer, Ethel Waters (who use to sing in early Billy Graham crusades HIS EYE IS ON THE SPARROW) was the result of a 12 year old who'd been raped. We don't know how that one life (regardless of conception circumstances) will turn out to be.
---RJ on 10/26/06

Regarding conception due to a rape (which is so rare) an innocent child shouldn't be punished for the crime of the father. Two wrongs don't make a right. Proverbs 6 says one of the 6 things the LORD hates is hands that shed innocent blood. That is an abortionist. If a miscarriage happens, then there was something wrong with the child and nature took it's course.
---RJ on 10/26/06

broadly abortion is murder but there are grey areas conception through rape is one like the 11 yr old but any age as well, if the mum is at risk thriough pregnancy if 1 twin has to be aborted to save the the case of an 11yrld abortion is right in other cases seek the will of god in the grey areas God bless
---doree4573 on 10/25/06

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Mary, who are you to decide for the child whether he/she prefers to live and overcome any trauma you spoke of or to be murdered? Watch what you say before you speak!
---Okebaram on 10/25/06

Sorry, but I just feel like in the case of extreme emotional trauma (not to mention physical trauma) to a young child like that, and especially from incest, I (personally) feel that God would understand. My dear neighbor was raped at 12! She miscarried; imagine the trauma on that poor child! Have mercy on one so young!
---Mary on 10/25/06

She or anyone else has no right to destroy the life, which belongs to God, through abortion. She was raped by her step father is no excuse. Her mother failed to perform the duties entrusted to her by God by protecting her own child. This child was the best gift of God in her life. Is that unborn child responsible for the negligence his/her grandmother? No one has the authority to destroy a life through abortion. Abortion is AGAINST the Commandments of God, and therefore is a sin against God.
---NIMAL on 10/23/06

Do you'll know the Ethel Waters story?
---wayne on 10/23/06

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Mary, was she raped by the infant? Isn't it God who gives life to create a new-born child? That child could have been given to someone else, but came to her when a sperm and egg satisfied God's law. Now He wills that she will bring up that child properly. The man should be arrested. If the child dies because the girl is so young, or threatens her life, that is different.
---Okebaram on 10/22/06

This is a hard question considering the age of the child. If the mother or close relative is a Christian I think they should consult their minister, priest or rabbi. I myself do not believe in abortion because the Bible says that "thou shall not kill." There are to many good Christian couples that can't have children that are wanting to adopt. One of the questions in the Abortion Quiz says that adoption is easy. I've read to many stories of couples that have waited years to adopt.
---Norma7374 on 10/22/06

Why do women get themselves into such messes in the first place?

Like many they feel that it will never happen to them but always to someone else.

Abortion is a moral wrong but not being dogmatic about it, feel that there may be some justifiable reasons to have one such as to save the life of the mother or other distinct medical reasons.

I will not be a judge of others on this issue, but when asked for advice, would advice against an abortion.
---lee on 10/22/06

*Why r u saying that life is in the blood, and that a fetus is not alive at the moment of conception?*

I believe that Scripture states in Leviticus 17:11 that "the life of the flesh is in the blood:"

So if no blood hence no life. And we know that a fertilized egg has no blood for the first few weeks.

Secondly, it is normal for fertilized eggs not to attach themselves to the walls of the uterus as this is something that happens all the time.
---lee on 10/22/06

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absolutely Lee, this should never be on this blog. Its a proffesionals court not ours to discus it. I will say this tho, why do women get themselves in this mess when there are lots of protection on the market. Let alone why do it if the child is not wanted. Keep shut and you'll be safer.
---jana on 10/22/06

Marietta, Lee is conjuring up an excuse to create a case for abortion from a scripture about purifying meats. He wants to be like God, to give man the power to take innocent life which should be reserved for God alone.
---tofurabby on 10/21/06

Lee, if a fertilized egg does not attach, it is not normal. Their purpose is to develop into a mature adult human being. That is the only natural course of events. All others occurances are un-natural.
---tofurabby on 10/21/06

Why r u saying that life is in the blood, and that a fetus is not alive at the moment of conception? Who is the One behind babies being conceived? I, too, had an unwanted pregnancy. I was an emotional mess, but no way in the world was I going to kill this baby. God gave him life.
---Marietta on 10/20/06

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And sometimes the fertilized egg does not attach itself to the wall of the uterus but is naturally aborted. The same thing can happen if there are more than one fertilized egg, one may attach preventing the other from doing so.

As to what to do if a very young girl gets pregnant, I will not make those kind of decisions for others as whatever decision that can be made could be wrong from a whatever perspective.
---lee on 10/20/06

So then you go by what other people believe, even without proof. I dont think I can personally base my opinion on what others dont even know to be fact.

Also, at the time of ovulation within the menstrual cycle, the ovary releases one egg, (occasionally two, which might result in fraternal/non-identical, twins). The normal result from fertilization of more then one egg is twins, triplets, etc. Not sure what science book you're reading.
---tofurabby on 10/20/06

Does life begin at conception or like most doctors believe when the fertilized egg attaches itself to the walls of the uterus?

Is it not simply a matter of what you want to believe?

During any pregnancy, more than one egg can be fertilized but is unable to develop into a pregnancy.
---lee on 10/18/06

life from conception to elderly death is normal. Miscarriages, abortions, cancer, etc. are not normal. They are unfortunate, but are not normal, expected life events. I guarantee if the earth could go back to the state it was in before adams fall, none of these abnormal events would occur, but because the earth is cursed, we have abnormal life events. One could probably even argue that elderly death is not normal either and shouldnt happen, but does because of the state of the earth.
---tofurabby on 10/16/06

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Are abortions every right? Perhaps in certain limited medical situation; never as a means of birth control.

Again much depends upon the duration of the pregnancy. If there is no blood then there is no life and often a fetus is aborted naturally.
---lee on 10/15/06

Amen Ali, I agree completely. I think selfish is probably the most accurate description. Unresponsible is probably a good descriptor also.
---tofurabby on 10/9/06

Argue about it all you want but to me there is no excuse. Do you not have brains to use protection, abstain from sex, or put a baby up for adoption to someone who is loving, and can not have kids. If you can not make those choices you are either dumb or selfish.
---Ali on 10/9/06

BilllyBob, that is not my logic, that was lee's logic. I disagreed with him on that.
---tofurabby on 10/6/06

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Interesting that the Catholic sisters always advocated that if a child is raped to go immeidately to a hospital and have a DNC - which is a washing out of the womb so that if the egg has been fertilized it will be flushed out before it attaches to the walls of the uterus.
---lee on 10/5/06

To tofurabby

Life is in the blood. Blood does not develop for several weeks into the pregnancy.

Therefore using your logic . . . RU486 is ok.
---BilllyBob on 10/5/06

Is abortion ever right?

tubal pregnancies.
The growing baby will kill both.
---BilllyBob on 10/5/06

affects their minds... and kills people.
---tofurabby on 10/5/06

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tofurabby - *That is the real issue, women can kill babies that can even survive on their own, out of the womb.*

yes, and it is something that affects their minds for the rest of their lives.

I believe that the church has spoken on this issue and that is what we should heed.
---lee on 10/5/06

I think everyone should go and read the tract "Who Murdered Clarice?" done by Chick. You can read it free on their website.
---tofurabby on 10/4/06

=2= again, you cannot 100% prove your scripture correctly applies to birth, even if you are extremely confident. Do you think we should even risk being wrong? I wont take that risk. saultopaul may feel fine risking human death on his unsubstantiated theories, but I dont recommend it.
---tofurabby on 10/4/06

Why not lee, some people actually do bury their miscarried. Now, your whole basis is on a scripture about what not to eat. But, lets say you are right, you find it acceptable to abort in the first 2 weeks, ok... What if you abort a day late and it has blood? Worth the risk? If we could illegalize abortions down to the first 2 weeks it would be 100 times better than what is happening now. That is the real issue, women can kill babies that can even survive on their own, out of the womb.
---tofurabby on 10/4/06

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Ah, I see what you mean now saultopaul. You meant the sabbath day, not Sunday.
See, the difference is you are focused on the penalty. You are using it as the common denominator between them anyway. That is not what I am getting at. What is important is the fact that the child in the womb was given the value of human life, not the scale of punishment. Just like the sabbath is still on Saturday.
---tofurabby on 10/4/06

tofurabby - under your concept that Adam had no soul untilGod breathed into him would imply that a child has no soul until being born and begins to breath.
Again, according to Levitical, the life is in the blood and if not blood, no life! That is the Biblical view; not the philosophical view.
Again, should we have a funeral when there is a mis-carriage? After all, you need say a human being died - right?
---lee on 10/3/06

Alan I agree with your statment. If life begins with God putting the soul in us like tofurabby says then no bible verse tells us when that happens. We know it happens sometime when the child is in the womb. Most likely after the first trimester because the verses in the bible seem to refer to whats in the womb when its noticeable as human. Apart from those verses I would agree with you that the 7th month would be biblically undefendable.
---saultopaul on 10/3/06

tofurabby- try exodus 31:14. It does not matter why you quoted it you already told me it was done away with. That's why we dont kill rebellious children or stone women who lose their virginity before marriage.
---saultopaul on 10/3/06

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Saultopaul "Nobody needs to prove there is not a soul in the 1st two weeks"
To follow your line, if I said that there was no life until the 7th month, you would be wrong to challenge me and I would not have to justify my statment.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 10/3/06

Again, lets look at Adam. He was physically created... yet there was no life. God breathed into him and he became alive. In my opinion that means God introduced a soul to inhabit the physical body. The blood was useless until that happened. I agree that the bible tells us our blood is needed to live. I dont see where it says a human doesnt begin until there is blood. Besides, for months the babies will depend on the mother to live, not blood. The mother supplies the life. Not soul.
---tofurabby on 10/3/06

Dear Mary, you may want to believe that God made everyone for a purpose. Those unwanted babies may eventually born & become someone who saved others. Putting up with difficult situation in the world is never easy. But Jesus been through worse to saved us. Maybe we also need to step back and made sacrifices.
Read "Heaven Is So Real by Choo Thomas". She met Jesus,& been told specifically about abortion matters. It's a life changing reading. Look it up on the search engine to read the detail.
---nic on 10/3/06

tofurabby - with your view we should have funerals for fetuses that naturally abort as a "life" has been terminated.
If you were to look at sperm under a microscope you can see those little 'tadpoles' are alive, so you can even make the case that millions of life forms are dying whenever there is an ejaculation.
Again the Bible says the life is in the blood. So not blood, no life logically follows.
---lee on 10/3/06

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lee, sperm is what's like a seed and the egg is like the soil. Once the egg is fertilized it will not stop development unless interrupted. Lev. 17:11 does not say life begins with blood. Blood is what sustains life, not begins it. Besides the scripture you are quoting is about eating blood which we are not to do. Animal blood. ps, how do insects, arachnids,etc. live?
---tofurabby on 10/2/06

saultopaul, the bible does say dont. You are ignoring it because you choose not to believe it. Again, Ex. 21:22. DONT.
---tofurabby on 10/2/06

saultopaul, where does it say to kill people who work on Sundays? The quote was to show that killing the baby in the womb is a crime. I quoted it to demonstrate that God sees it as more than expendable cells.
---tofurabby on 10/2/06

tofurabby - a fertilized egg is much like a seed. If its does not get into the ground then it will not grow. Like soil, a fertilized egg will need blood to become alive and develop into a human being.
My statement is that the Bible says in Leviticus that if there is no blood, there can be no life; and that is one of the problems.
Who know about a soul or even what it is? In Islam a soul does not exist until about the 2nd month after conception. Maybe they know something we don't.
---lee on 10/2/06

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tofurabby, Nobody needs to prove there is not a soul in the 1st two weeks. Its your perogative to prove there is a soul in the first two weeks. The bible specifically lists things we cannot do. It does not list all the things we can do. For example, I dont need the bible to tell me its ok to walk on a sidewalk so I do. If the bible said don't I would not. Dont shift the burden of proof its bad theology.
---saultopaul on 10/2/06

now your quoting from the old testament law again. When are you going to start killing people who work on sundays like the old testament says?
---saultopaul on 10/2/06

How do you know the baby doesnt have a soul in the 1st 2 weeks? You claim it has no blood and is not alive, yet it did not die on it's own. If it did not contain life, how did it continue to grow to the point of having blood in the first place? If it were as you say, then without blood it should die on it's own. Maybe the blood from the mother is keeping it alive.
---tofurabby on 10/2/06

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