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Are We Being Sprayed

Are we being sprayed from planes with harmful things? Are cemtrails real?

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Maybe the Jesuit's are a diversion so we don't notice the Franciscians.**

To be more precise, the francEscans.
---Jack on 3/1/08


Maybe the Jesuit's are a diversion so we don't notice the Franciscians.
---dan on 2/26/08


Mike_M:

Wouldn't the best time for that have been during last week's eclipse? :)
---StrongAxe on 2/25/08


frances:

I don't recall Jack calling you a whistle blower. Where did you get that from? It's not on any of his posts in this blog.

As for Chemtrails, ok, I had a look. There are sites talking about them, and other sites that demonstrate that they're just contrails. Having had some personal experience with the latter, it's easy to see how they might look suspicious to people who are unfamiliar with them.
---StrongAxe on 2/25/08


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As for Jack calling me a whistle blower, gee, I am sorry. But Paul tells us 'expose evil'.**

I never called you a whistle blower, Frances, and you're hardly up to the level of an Apostle Paul.

Chloe, maybe.
---Jack on 2/25/08




What did the judge say when the skunk walked in the court room?

Odor in the court.
---Cindy on 2/25/08


S/AXE::The situation calls for a diagnosis, then act on it.Why clutter up a befoggged mind.IMHO--PEACE
---Emcee on 2/23/08


Frances, Another malicious Jesuit conspiracy is in the works, a scheme to destroy the last vestiges of morality in America and replace it with utter Papal control. They are organizing nudist in the country to conduct a massive march on Washington DC in an attempt to legitimize nudity as a genuine lifestyle! I have all the bare facts on this, and know it to be true. I even have the name of this diabolic design, it will be billed as, The Million Moon March.
---MikeM on 2/23/08


No Lynn, we're not being sprayed. It's just Elvis relieving himself as he flies over in his UFO. Contrails (note the N is not an M) are ice clouds formed by the gas byproducts of jet engines under certain temperature and humidity conditions. See contrailscience dot com.
---jerry6593 on 2/23/08


StrongAxe, all you have to do is google 'Chemtrails'. It isn't difficult. Even though for me, who has no talent with digital cameras, etc, it would not be easy to produce photos (anyway this site does not publish photos), I can still manage to find hundreds of photos of chemtrails. Why can't you do that? Are you afraid that I might be right. Alan of UK was not afraid to have a look.

As for Jack calling me a whistle blower, gee, I am sorry. But Paul tells us 'expose evil'.
---frances on 2/22/08




Well, I did a search on "spray from planes" and it led me to a neo-nazi white supremicist site.

Now we know where Frances gets her information.
---Jack on 2/22/08


Nurse Robert fears things are getting out of control - ---frances on 2/22/08

Frances, nothing you say scares me. Conspiracy theorists have been around forever. If anything, I am amused at your ramblings. Your husband should have agreed..
---NurseRobert on 2/22/08


frances:

I have no idea if you're a crank or not. I don't make that judgment. However, when you make assertions without proof, I can't take those assertions seriously, the same way I can't take seriously all the other people everywhere else who make lots of fantastic claims, but don't offer any evidence to back up those claims.
---StrongAxe on 2/22/08


frances:

I also have no special love for the RCC. I was raised Catholic as a child, but cannot follow them in good conscience, because I believe that many of their teachings go against scripture, and many of their practices are hypocritical.

But then again, similar accusations can be made to a lesser or greater extent with most churches, since they're all imperfect. You have to pick one whose flaws you can live with.
---StrongAxe on 2/22/08


StrongAxe, don't you realize that when dealing with talebearers like frances, your refusal to take her at face value and asking for evidence IS stifling and silencing her?

You're supposed to take her wild stories at face value and blab them all over the internet!
---Jack on 2/22/08


** StrongAxe, you seem to be a bit muddled.**

From the mouth of the pot (whether cracked or not)...
---Jack on 2/22/08


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frances:

I don't silence people. I just ask that they provide evidence of what they say, rather than making totally uncorrobrated assertions (and expecting everyone to believe them on their say-so). The world is full of people who believe many crazy things. The only way we can tell the truth from the error is with evidence.

Whenever I make assertions, I almost always provide references, or make it clear that it's just a personal opinion by saying "I think that...".
---StrongAxe on 2/22/08


StrongAxe, you seem to be a bit muddled. First of all I am supposed to be a lone voice, who needs no attention, a crank. Then you say there is not time to follow up all allegations made by everyone. Nurse Robert fears things are getting out of control and that there are lots of truth seekers who meet up. Yes, we meet in cyberspace.
---frances on 2/22/08


** I don't have any special knowledge. **

Translation: I don't know what I'm talking about.
---Jack on 2/22/08


frances:

Walter Cronkite retired as anchor in 1981. That's 27 years ago. Perhaps your information is a bit out of date?
---StrongAxe on 2/22/08


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frances:

When one makes an unsubstantiated allegation, others have little motivation to investigate it , unless there is some compelling evidence that will encourage them to do so. There is no time to investigate ALL allegations made by everyone.

This is why 2 Corinthians 13:1 (and many others) say:
"In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established."

One witness isn't enough. Zero witnesses certainly isn't enough.
---StrongAxe on 2/22/08


Do the conspiracy theorists have a convention each year? Do you all get together and discuss the most recent conspiracies?
---NurseRobert on 2/22/08


** Somehow the real perpetrators were evading being named. I did not cease in my investigations. I finally came to the root cause (the RCC). **

In other words, when you can find no reasonable explanation, you blame that nasty ole pope feller and the RCC.

Question--why would they spray? Do you have an answer?
---Jack on 2/22/08


Every Friday above this major city, they do the spraying. (Tokyo) They used to do it in the pms, but now they do it before the children start school, the lines are there all day. They repeat it in the early evening. After a day of parallel lines across the skies, the moon is misted over in the otherwise clear skies. (IE a naturally cloudless day becoming a polluted sky.)
---frances on 2/22/08


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I don't have any special knowledge. Many thousands of people have exposed the RCC, but they are effectively silenced. By people like Strongaxe, Nurse Robert, Cindy, MikeM, Emcee 'the Hammer',I.S, and even people like Eloy and Alan of UK help them without even admitting or possibly without knowing it.
---frances on 2/22/08


StrongAxe, I spent several years studying the various theories and trying to get to the bottom of it but I always came up against a brick wall. Somehow the real perpetrators were evading being named. I did not cease in my investigations. I finally came to the root cause (the RCC). I had to go through a lot of disinformation traps at first. Now you have to take your own journey to the truth, if you want to, that is. I have probably helped you too much and so get rejected. You should have done it.
---frances on 2/22/08


Yes they are real. I have been studying them for years and if anything they have gotten worse. Look up, study the sky. Watch the white unmarked planes spewing chemicals out as they draw grid lines. Observe the lines and watch them expand. Watch a clear blue sky turn to gray in a matter of hours.

One of the best time to see spraying is a day or so before a front comes through.

It also helps to observe true clouds so that you can tell the difference between the true and false.
---ShaunT on 2/22/08


Alan of Uk, the strange thing is that all the conspiracy sites not only say the same things about the illuminati, etc and their plans, but they all are speaking from a variety of backgrounds. Atheists and Catholics have spoken out, socialists and conservatives. People who seek the truth come from all stripes.
---frances on 2/22/08


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**Whilst these sites appear to be independent, the appearance of them is strangely similar.**

Conspiratoids and Chicken Littles generally do tend to sound alike.

Can you give us ONE example of spraying from airplanes directly linked to the Roman Catholic Church?

Bet you can't.
---Jack on 2/22/08


I should not have said that the people I am dealing with deny everything. They accept whatever is spoonfed to them by the mass media, and Walter Concrite. They accept whatever the Pope says as if God had spoken. Anyone who disagrees with the Vatican and its media has to be locked up or made to appear an crazy. Whilst being persecuted is supposed to make us full of joy, no doubt to mention that fact would alone entitle me to free 'medication.'
---frances on 2/22/08


Actually, Frances is right ... you can google many of the things she has talked about, abd easily find sites describe amny different conspiracies, and most of them are linked back to the Roman catholic Church.
Whilst these sites appear to be independent, the appearance of them is strangely similar.
---alan_of_UK on 2/22/08


** Frances said: "The kind of people I am dealing with on this forum, are people who will deny everything. They love the lies, and therefore they are heading to a hot place."

Frances, are you saying that if we don't believe the "spraying" theory we are going to hell??**

Specifically, if you don't believe ever word from Pope Frances, you are going to hell.

She's infallible and irreformable ex cathedra.

If you don't believe me, ask her.
---Jack on 2/22/08


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I do not know and I am not worried about it.>>>With all the trouble in this world unbelief, anger, scratching one's head thinking too much. Unbelievers wondering if when I die will I go straight to hell or not. I can answer that one. YES!
---catherine on 2/22/08


Frances said: "The kind of people I am dealing with on this forum, are people who will deny everything. They love the lies, and therefore they are heading to a hot place."

Frances, are you saying that if we don't believe the "spraying" theory we are going to hell??
---NurseRobert on 2/22/08


frances:

I have no problem with strange, unusual, or even unorthodox viewpoints. (I'm an iconoclast - I love to smash sacred idols that people make out of common but unsubstantiated beliefs).

However, I won't just accept their validity on someone's say-so, without corroborating evidence.
---StrongAxe on 2/21/08


Frances::My dear lady ,I wish you well, really I do there are times you are lucidother times not. & believe me I do May the peace of Jesus rest in your heart, I know you mean well I shall always pray for you.
---Emcee on 2/21/08


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FRANCES::In your desire to be trite you have exposed yourself. "Nor will I tell you the names of the occult practioners involved""I dont care what you Think"Go ahead become a devil worshipper its your soul.Dont blame God as some do. God sends people to Hell No no no people do it freely.
---Emcee on 2/21/08


** Jack, thank you for inviting me to share my very hard won, through much hard work, evidence. I will not.**

In other words, you HAVE NO EVIDENCE.

Did you know that Giordano Bruno was executed by the Inquisition PRECISELY because he believed there were intellingent being--iow, aliens--on other planets?

So much for the RCC believing in aliens.
---Jack on 2/21/08


frances:

You say you won't share where to find your information, even though there are big clues (implying that it should be easy to find), yet you also say that the evidence was hard won through hard work. So is it easy to find, or hard? It can't be both.

Also, the idea of "I have special knowledge that I expect you to believe, on my say-so, but I refuse to tell you how I know it or how to corroborate it" is very common among cults.
---StrongAxe on 2/21/08


Jack, thank you for inviting me to share my very hard won, through much hard work, evidence. I will not. Nor will I tell you how to google to get the information, nor will I tell you the publications that have the big clues in them. Nor will I even tell you names of the occult practitioners involved. All of this is merely getting me to waste my time. I am convinced. I don't care what you think.
---frances on 2/21/08


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The kind of people I am dealing with on this forum, are people who will deny everything. They love the lies, and therefore they are heading to a hot place. I already described the three clouds in two locations in one week as having three tails going in an upward direction. And in the air hours after the plane(s) had gone by. I did not witness the planes as it must have been done at night.
---frances on 2/21/08


When an airplane moves through the air, it forms a wind vortex at the tips of its wings (like a small horizontal tornado). Under the right temperature and humidity, water will condense in this and form a cloud that looks like a penstroke across the sky. All planes can do this. There is nothing sinister about it. I saw this happen one one flight I took on a cold day, and I was wondering if an engine was on fire. (It wasn't).
---StrongAxe on 2/21/08


finally figured it out. It is a get rich quick scheme. read some of the internet sites, most want to sell you a remedy. If you tell people enough that they will get sick, some will. then sell some herbs in water as a cure - get rich quick.
---dan on 2/21/08


Frances is corerect ... if you google "chemtrail" you will find lots of sites devoted to this, with photos, and linked to other conspiracy tgheory sites
---alan_of_UK on 2/21/08


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** Emcee, it is the Catholic Church that believes in UFOs and aliens and is about to produce another hoax like the 'moon landings'. **

Frances, please produce ONE official Roman Catholic document that says the Roman Catholic Church believes in UFOs and aliens.

Give ONE bit of evidence proving the moon-landings were a Catholic hoax.

Bet you can't!
---Jack on 2/20/08


Frances:: why would you believe Catholics believe in UFO'sI have been a catholic for 82 yearsI have never heard that. God teaches Reality not Fantasy He is only interested with the salvation of Mans soul He said My kingdom is not of this world Follow me,to gain salvation.I do not dispute what you saw I heard one lady saw the eye of God in the sky am I supposed to believe a flight of imagination?
---Emcee on 2/20/08


For anyone who is hysterical about such things:

Romans 8:15
"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

2 Timothy 1:7
"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
---StrongAxe on 2/20/08


I drew a picture of clouds that were SIDE BY SIDE, each with the same exact pattern (one end going up in three 'tails'). I showed it to my friend saying it was part of what had previously been a CHEMTRAIL - which broke up over time. She showed me a photograph on her mobile of the same patterned cloud going around the internet, and it was taken hundreds of miles away.
---frances on 2/20/08


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Emcee, it is the Catholic Church that believes in UFOs and aliens and is about to produce another hoax like the 'moon landings'. I differentiate because vapour trails are not there for most of the day, just above croweded cities, with planes that move in circles or make U turns, or criss cross, or make parallel lines. There are hundreds of photos available on the net. But I know you won't find them.
---frances on 2/20/08


Frances ::How do you distinguish a chem trail from a vapour trail which in aeronautical language is called "slipstream"If you own a car, it is called Exhaust with air displacement caused by a body moving through the air or atmosphere.Not to mention burning gas into carbon particles.All man made & nothing to do with God or space aliens.
---Emcee on 2/20/08


Actually, I will be honest with you, dear Nurse. I begged my husband to let me enter a mental hospital, to protect the world from the truth, but he said it would not be easy. You cannot just go along and admit yourself. There is a huge waiting list. Only the lucky ones get in, apparently. That is the God's honest truth.
---frances on 2/19/08


The liars all have the same mind control manual.---frances on 2/19/08

Mmmm, I've seem to misplace mine... can you send me a copy?

Frances, I wonder if you realize just how you sound.
---NurseRobert on 2/19/08


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Frances, I truly feel sorry for you. You are so deluded that you see boogy men in government suits behind every door. When someone challenges you, you stoop to calling them a disinformation agent working for the illuminati or a paid government propagandist. So, since you stoop to personal attacks, does that make you a hypocrite?
---NurseRobert on 2/19/08


"Dan, how do you explain large passenger type planes repeatedly visiting the same area and leaving behind strange shaped clouds?" Almost 2.5 million planes flew out of Atlanta, Dallas and Chicago last year. At a any time, there are thousands of planes in the air.
---NurseRobert on 2/19/08


Frances said "Nurse Robert, she always stoops..."
Actually, I'm male. You're being sexist.. But thats ok. You're forgiven.

And as far as medications and "consigning them to mental homes". I'm a big believer in medication for mental patients. I have seen it work wonders.
---NurseRobert on 2/19/08


Dan, how do you explain large passenger type planes repeatedly visiting the same area and leaving behind strange shaped clouds? I have seen it. I have seen parallel lines all across the sky. I have seen photos of U turning Chemtrails. We are not at war perhaps it is a smokescreen to stop us talking about 911. Even the Japanese government are onto 911 - The Big Cover-Up. It was all announced by one brave diet member and debated.
---frances on 2/19/08


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Shirley's comment reminded me of the comments that must have been going around when, in Nazi Germany, people talked of Jews disappearing in their thousands.

Nurse Robert, she always stoops to personal attacks when she sees the carpet swept from under her feet. The carpet of lies and cover-ups.

I would rather be in a mental home any day than a paid worker for the liars. Any day.

The liars all have the same mind control manual.
---frances on 2/19/08


I presume, Nurse Robert, that consigning people to mental homes and medication and calling them nutty is a reference to more than being Foolish. So you are more to be condemned than those who merely call Christians fools.
---frances on 2/19/08


Some people believe the lies on television because of obviously forged photos of 'moon landings' and believe the 911 official story, minus any photos to prove that commercial airliners went into the Twin Towers or that any plane at all went into the Pentagon. Yet they ignore hundreds of photos of CHEMTRAILS not COM or CONTrails. There is none so blind as they that refuse to see. Or are they working as information disinformants to dis the truthtellers. You think about it readers.
---frances on 2/19/08


Oh my,give me a break! You can't be serious.
---shirley on 2/19/08


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"I suggest you are a disinformation agent working for the illuminati."

And I suggest you get back on your meds. Your paranoia knows NO boundaries.
---NurseRobert on 2/19/08


"Nurse Robert, why don't you admit you are a paid government propagandist..."

Ok, am I a paid government (If I am, I must be working cheap, cuz I haven't seen a check yet!) or am "a disinformation agent working for the illuminati."

Come on, you can make up your mind...
---NurseRobert on 2/19/08


and Frances, I don't think your a fool..

A nutcase maybe, but not a fool.
---NurseRobert on 2/19/08


And Frances, the term is CON trail, not Com trail which are condensation trails and artificial cirrus clouds made by the hot exhaust of aircraft engines or vortex's. This causes the formation of ice particles in the atmosphere.
---NurseRobert on 2/19/08


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Thank you Nurse Robert. I get so confused sometimes, members of my family worked for years WWII, Korea, etc., on expiermental aircraft. The biggest fear they had was that the comtrails would be seen by the enemy and would pinpoint their location. These trails could be seen for long periods of time in the very cold atmosphere.
---dan on 2/19/08


Frances said: "you could not be a Christian if you call Christians 'fools'.."

Ok, where did I call you a fool? You can't be a Christian if you bear false witness.
---NurseRobert on 2/19/08


Yes, we are, Lynne. It's all a big conspiracy to get YOU PERSONALLY.
---Jack on 2/18/08


Isaiah 5.19 'Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit, and wickedness with cart ropes, to those who say 'Let God hurry, let him hasten his work so we may see it approach, let the plan of the Holy One of Israel come, so we may know it.''

Which godly people do you refer to Steveng?
---frances on 2/18/08


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frances: "whether or not people believe God can save them is besides the point."

On the contrary, it IS the point - whether man puts his belief in science and medicine or in God.

"It is evil to experiment..."

Chemtrails, cloning, dna testing, combining dna, abortion, and the other evil things man is doing today is evil, but these are the signs of the end.

"You should not call anyone a fool."

It's used in the Bible by Godly people.
---Steveng on 2/18/08


Nurse Robert, why don't you admit you are a paid government propagandist, no different to the ones in China that try to control information on the net.
---frances on 2/17/08


I saw two identical ''comtrails'' which I call CHEMTRAILS, they were the leftovers of a plane that had flown by several hours earlier. A few days later a friend showed me a photo of an identical shaped cloud taken hundreds of miles away by people who thought it was merely a natural phenomenon. Beware of the disinformation agents on the net. Chemtrails remain in the sky for HOURS, comtrails vapourize within seconds.
---frances on 2/17/08


Nurse Robert, you could not be a Christian if you call Christians 'fools'.. You should know that Jesus Christ said that we should not call another person a fool. I suggest you are a disinformation agent working for the illuminati. There are hundreds of photos of CHEMTRAILS on the internet. Some are in U-turns. Some are in criss-crosses over a small area.
---frances on 2/17/08


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Steveng, whether or not people believe God can save them is besides the point. It is evil to experiment in the skies over crowded cities. You should not call anyone a fool. It is not foolish to know when you see something strange going on. With multi-fork tailed clouds etc, popping up wherever the Chemtrail planes had been. It is not foolish to want to expose what the illuminati are up to.
---frances on 2/17/08


You people are such fools and very weak in your faith. Don't you know that God has the power to keep you from harm? Or don't you have the faith needed. So what if these chemicals do non-believers harm. God said in his own words that he will not let poisons harm you. Times are going to get tough from now on. Pray to God for your safety and to keep you and yours free from harm. Set aside some time during the week to listen to the whispers of God's voice.
---Steveng on 2/17/08


Comtrails are a natural phenomenom that occurs when atmospheric conditions form vapor trails off the wings of aircraft

Dan, the conspiracy theorist will tell you that is a lie and that we are being sprayed by chemicals, hence the term "chemtrail." Again, a bunch of hogwash.
---NurseRobert on 2/12/08


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