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Why Was A Tithe Demanded

Where are the scriptures that define tithing? What did God demand to be tithed by Israel?

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 ---Ryan on 9/4/06
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"Who said that the Bible is 'logical.'"

The Bible was authored by individuals inspired by the Holy Spirit. So, although actually penned by human beings, the words of Scripture are ultimately of God. Therefore, if the Bible isn't logical, it is illogical. If it is illogical, what does that say about its author?

Besides, I appealed to logic when referring to YOUR words, not the Bible.

"...if all my posts were taken directly from the Bible, does that mean I'm 100% correct?"

Nope. You'd be 100% correct if all you did was copy/paste Bible verses onto this blog. However, that's not what you do. You write things ABOUT the Bible, which can be in error.

As always, I enjoy the dialogue!
---Bobby3 on 12/19/08


Bobby3: "Either you agree with me all the time or not at all."

"Logically, this doesn't work."

Who said that the Bible is "logical." That's a worldly statement if there ever was one. Ok, since you are into logic then read this: If you believe that the Bible is 100% correct and if all my posts were taken directly from the Bible, does that mean I'm 100% correct?

Here a truth: If Jesus wrote on these blogs, he would definately get flamed by most of the posters saying, "that's your opinion."

In fact, most Christians will not recognize the two witnesses.
---Steveng on 12/18/08


Steveng: You had to do it, didn't you?

"Either you agree with me all the time or not at all."

Logically, this doesn't work. I can agree someone on something AND disagree with him on a different matter. It's like saying you can either like ALL vegetables or NONE of them. There has to be a middle ground, no?

"Is this how you understand the Bible? to agree with some of the verses and disagree with the rest?"

I doubt your writings on this website carry the same authority as Scripture. Honestly, I don't understand why you're comparing the two. But to answer the question: No, I don't believe I (nor anyone else for that matter) can agree with some parts of the Bible while disagreeing with other parts.
---Bobby3 on 12/17/08


Bobby3: "This is going to sound strange given our tendency to disagree often, but I agree with this statement of yours, Steveng!"

Either you agree with me all the time or not at all. Is this how you understand the Bible? to agree with some of the verses and disagree with the rest? Even Satan uses a few Bible verses to entice Christians into his web.

But that's OK, you are not alone. Most people on these blogs agree with even the nonChristians at times.
---Steveng on 12/17/08


Steveng: "The truth is that Christians are to expect nothing in return, but only to help someone in need."

This is going to sound strange given our tendency to disagree often, but I agree with this statement of yours, Steveng!
---Bobby3 on 12/17/08




The Satan-created denominational churches make you believe that when you give, you will receive a hundred-fold. This teaching in the churches have disappointed many Christians that have been tithing all their lives, but only lived a mediocre life. But what is the Christian's real motive for tithing? Is it hoping to receive something in return. The truth is that Christians are to expect nothing in return, but only to help someone in need. God knowsof your tithing for your hundred-fold return is waiting for you in heaven.
---Steveng on 12/17/08


"you give God 10% and he gives you 100 fold return on your giving. how much do you suppose the woman got back who put in her two mites?"

The old widow, according to your formula, must have received 200 mites.

Jesus words, which you allude to, indicate that neither giving, nor a subsequent return, can be measured according to any sort of numerical value (for how else could 2 mites exceed the value of any of the other offerings?). Rather, the intent of the heart is a true indicator of the value of the gift. Therefore, it is misplaced to believe that 10% (a numerical) is either sufficient or insufficient in terms of an offering to the Lord.
---Bobby3 on 12/16/08


look up those scriptures in any online Bible search engine.

with tything you give God 10% and he gives you 100 fold return on your giving. how much do you suppose the woman got back who put in her two mites?
after all, Jesus said that she gave greater than all the others that day.



---opalgal on 12/13/08


There are several ways to describe a human being's relationship to God. My point is that a reference to God as 'business partner' or 'co-pilot' is among the poorer descriptions, for they seem to minimize or make light of the relationship.
---Bobby3 on 11/24/08

Amen Bobby, I agree and I am guilty myself of saying such things, I thank God for his mercy towards such things, if asked for,
and I do/have...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 11/25/08


DDM: I'm not sure whether you were countering the statements I made in the previous post or elaborating upon them. Either way, I would agree with you: God is our Father (yes, I think I have read the Lord's Prayer once or twice before) and Jesus our Lord (among other apt titles). There are several ways to describe a human being's relationship to God. My point is that a reference to God as 'business partner' or 'co-pilot' is among the poorer descriptions, for they seem to minimize or make light of the relationship.
---Bobby3 on 11/24/08




Bobby, "God" IS my/our Father(The Lords Prayer), you know(?) "Our Father" who is in Heaven, ect. ect.?

Jesus "IS" my Brother/Lord/Master/King/Groom.
Rev.19
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

R U READY?
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 11/22/08


Nice point, Rob. Co-pilot? Again, that's not a term I'd apply to the Lord Almighty, Creator of the universe.
---Bobby3 on 11/21/08


Bobby 3, that is just like that popular bumper that says "GOD IS MY CO-PILOT." It sounds good to the ear and it sounds innocent, but it is not.

It says that we are the one who is in control and that God is below us.

This is the very reason that Lucifer (Satan) was cast out of Heaven.
---Rob on 11/21/08


In Abraham's case the tithe was not demanded. it was freely given, and just from the spoils, not from all his belongings. The demand for the tithe, according to Hebrews 7 was to support the Leviticle priesthood which has been abolished along with all the rest of the demand laws.
---john on 11/21/08


Never forget, 1/3 of the tithe went to take care of widows, orphans, and the disabled. It was called the poor tithe. Today, we have other forms of social welfare that do similar things. Although our govt is not a theocracy like Israel's was, I feel better about paying my portion of taxes that goes toward social welfare programs. In OT the tithes were a form of tax that took care of that. Since churches for the most part no longer collect the "poor tithe" I am glad I have my secular taxes to accomplish the same thing, or at least feel better about being forced to pay them.
---obewan on 11/21/08


"I look at it as God is my business partner."

Business partner? Surely not. One should discern this analogy as being inappropriate in describing our relationship to God Almighty. God is our Lord, our King, and we His humble servants. As such, we submit ourselves wholly to Him: body, mind, and soul. In other words, we mustn't think of it as offering Him a slice of the pie (as if that were the fair thing to do) when He requires much more.
---Bobby3 on 11/21/08


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Deut. 14:22
tells us we are to tithe.

What, tells US(?),
Duet. tells the other 11 tribes of Israel to give a tenth of there cattle & goods, ect. ect. to the Levites because they take care of the 100's of instruments needed for sacrifice's & all the other duties...

Our preacher today ain't Levite preist with a 100 things to do on a daily basis as they were...
MOST of Our preachers have made merchandise of the Children of God & have broadened the hems of there garments at there/our expense...
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 11/21/08


Deut. 14:22

tells us we are to tithe.

I look at it as God is my business partner. When I get an increase, I give Him His cut just as would with any other business partner.
---AlwaysOn on 11/21/08


If you read the the Law of Moses carefully, the only things that were tithed were agricultural products and livestock. Wage workers did not tithe. So if tithing is required of Christians, it is only required of farmers and ranchers.
---John1944 on 10/30/07


TITHES Continues:
Payment of, resumed in Hezekiahs reign. 2 Chron. 31:5-10
Under Nehemiah. Neh. 13:12
Withheld. Neh. 13:10; Malachi 3:8
Customary in later times. Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42; Luke 18:12
Observed by idolaters. Amos 4:4-5
---Phil_the_Elder on 10/30/07


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TITHES
Paid by Abraham to Melchizedek. Genesis 14:20; Hebrews 7:2-6
Jacob vows a tenth of all his property to God. Genesis 28:22
Mosaic laws instituting. Leviticus 27:30-33; Numbers 18:21-24; Deut. 12:6-7; Deut. 12:17; Deut. 12:19; Deut. 14:22-29; Deut. 26:12-15
Customs relating to. Neh. 10:37-38; Amos 4:4; Hebrews 7:5-9
Tithe of tithes for priests. Numbers 18:26; Neh. 10:38
Stored in the temple. 2Chron. 31:11-12; Neh. 10:38-39; Neh. 12:44; Neh. 13:5; Neh. 13:12; Malachi 3:10
---Phil_the_Elder on 4/2/07


Ryan,
Yes, definitely, LORD!
Because I sometimes also refer to Him as "business partner, best friend, first love", etc. takes nothing away from the fact that He is Father, Lord, God Almighty, Jehovah...first, last and always! ;)
---AlwaysOn on 9/6/06


AlwaysOn, my dear SISTER, why not LORD? Why buisness partner?
---Ryan on 9/6/06


Um, I've got love for you too, Ryan, but it's "sister"...lol.
Not "mere" business partner and definitely not equal partner, but God is with me in everything I do. He's my everything and it's a joy for me to give a portion of every increase to Him in honor of even allowing me to have the increase to begin with. I'm not forced to do it, but I tithe to faithful ministries where I know the money will be well directed in helping others. I also give offerings and alms.
---AlwaysOn on 9/5/06


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AlwaysOn, you say: "I look at it as God is my business partner."
I love you brother but I find this mentality less than worshipful. The God of all, Elohim, and you look at Him as a mere buisness partner? God is Lord and Soverign of all existence. He is not our equal in some buisness arrangement that we would only give 10% to. We give all to Him. Our life is His. He wants 100% of everything you have.
---Ryan on 9/4/06


AlwaysOn , I'll be sure to tithe all of my produce.(lol)
---Ryan on 9/4/06


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