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If Jesus did not do it by 'Word or Deed' than why do we accept these pratices today? A few examples would be: Altar calls, tithing, sinners prayer, once saved always saved, dividing into factions (catholic, pentacostal, baptist, etc.) Rapture, slain in the spirit, praying to the virgin mary, etc.

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Jesus said, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's. This means, pay your taxes, and your tithes. This doesn't conflict with what we do as a church today. But also be aware of wolves in sheep's clothing.
---Aggie on 10/31/07


OK Ryan, we get it, you hate the modern church.
Many things in modern churches are not as they should be. Most of us agree to a point.
Start your own or find one near you that seeks to implement all NT practices, but PLEASE stop whining about it.
---Pharisee on 10/15/07


Ryan- 3. I will be glad to explain further as I know you probably will come back with something to refute this, if not I just ask that you pray to G-d to forgive you for writing such evil words.
---Jeff on 10/17/06


Ryan- 1. on 9/6/06 you said "You are comparing Jesus, the Son of God, the Messiah, the promised seed, the one who bore the sins of the world so you and I could have eternal life to Milchezidek? Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Milchezidek a high priest king of Salem located in the land of Soddom? Isn't this the same Soddom that there were not even 10 found to be righteous and fire and brimstone rained down on them? You are comparing the Son of God to a pagan priest?"
---Jeff on 10/17/06


Ryan- 2. After I read that my mouth dropped. even though it is an old post it warrants correction for your sake. First read the whole of Abrams encounter with Melchizedek Gen. 14:17-24. Now its time for your hebrew lesson. Melchizedek in hebrew means King of Righteousness. Salem is what we call today Jerusalem. Its the King of Sodom who goes with Abram to the Kings Valley to meet with Melchizedek.
---Jeff on 10/17/06




Your question expanded - "If Jesus did not do it by "Word or Deed" than why do we accept these practices today?

If Jesus did do things by "word or deed" why do we now ignore them?
---Linda32708 on 9/10/06


alan8869_of_UK, No, Alan I wouldn't care, I focus on more important things like the Gospel Truth!
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/8/06


Eloy ... Yes it is odd... it shows up OK in the Preview, and also in the main list of blogs contributions, but then weh it gets onot the blog proper, some HTML rules apparenlty click in, and treats the "b" or "br" as some computer command, not as part of the word!!!
As you suggest, a period (or full stop as we know it in Britain) at the beginning shoild mean the b is not missed off.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/8/06


A MEN jhonny, and Man loves to receive the worshiped also.
---Billy on 9/8/06


Hey Billy: The big problem with idolatry are the two footed beasts. People love to worship them.
---jhonny on 9/8/06




While I certainly don't agree with all the practices you listed, I feel it is important to note that the Church really did not begin until the end of Jesus' eartly ministry. ref. to Matthew 16:18 for one example. Jesus left behind inspired disciples to start the Church.
---mike on 9/8/06


Eloy ... # 2 If you try putting a comma before you start, as does Steve, the problem would probably disappear.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/8/06


Eloy ... # 1 I know your point of view from before, my comment was directed at Mrs M to show why some are upset by your practice.
I am not upset by you calling me "alan", and if my name was Bartholemew, I don't think I would be upset by "bartholemew" but I would be upset by "artholemew" because it is not my complete name.
It's really a question of the system's reaction to a "b" lower case starting a blog, when it does not get included
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/8/06


Alan, If you recall, when I started ministering here at the blog, I was accustomed to typing "i" when referring to myself (as I still do outside of the blog), until I was told it interferes with the systems virus detectors. I write as the Holy Spirit, holy spirit, hOLY sPIRIT, directs. If one takes offense at what I type, that is their offense alone; just as Cain's offense belonged only to him and not to the Lord nor to Abel nor to anyone else.
---eloy-small_ltr._so on 9/8/06


Hey Billy: The big problem with idolatry are the two footed beasts. People love to worship them.
---jhonny on 9/8/06


Because all of these are idols of the heart.
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Also all denominations are idols of the heart also.
1 Cor 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
---Billy on 9/8/06


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Actually Mrs M, if the capital letter is deliberately left off the names of some people only, it indicates a sort of contempt for them, or perhaps as way of saying "I do not recognise you as a person with whom I would fellowship, or to whom I extend normal courtesies"
If I suddenly started calling you mrs m, and still used a capital for everyone else, I expect you would feel offended, and that would probably be the intention.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/8/06


Alan, that was funny, i had to laugh. "ickey" and "uce"...It sounds like a cartoon. When I type it it is typed out correctly in the box, and it shows up correctly after I hit the [Preview Reply] button, but after the blog posts it it leaves off the first couple letters. I can type a few periods before the names and it should post ok...ickey and uce...that's funny.
---Eloy on 9/8/06


Mt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
"..in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits,.."
Seducing spirits leave you bankrupt in the faith. Seducing connotes a "vagabond" and "tramp". When a person is robbed of power, the force of faith, they are left aimlessly following a course or path. Can we resist the truth and say we have faith? Resist the truth, and we are reprobate of faith.
---jhonny on 9/8/06


(2). Could you tell me according to these scriptures, that if we keep teaching Christ after the flesh that we are refusing to go on into perfection [maturity]?
---Billy on 9/7/06


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(1). Mrs Morgan
2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
---Billy on 9/7/06


jhonny
See my comments to Mrs Morgan re Eloy and caps.
---Bruce5656 on 9/7/06


Mrs Morgan
No doubt you are unaware that Eloy has stated in the past that only his name and God's deserves to be capitolized. And he is serious. The fact that he is using caps for some people now is more puzzling than you know.

You have not been here long enough to understand just how bizzare some of the things that Eloy has said have been.
---Bruce5656 on 9/7/06


Bruce5656 , LOL, LOL, Chuckle, Why are you so paranoid about this capital letter thing, many folk don't even use capital letters for their own names on their post, it's like a "user name", Bruce focus more on the Divinty of Christ's Blood and not Separating Him from His own Blood(I'm reffering to another blog folks). --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/7/06


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Having picked up on this "dropped letter" procedure earlier with this blog. I expected the letter routine pointed out a lack of agreement and consensus. Why all the attention to it? Is Eloy not free to express in this personal manner. Indicating my impression.
---jhonny on 9/7/06


Eloy,
What about what Alan pointed out? When you came back to the blogs you started with capital letters on peoples names and then only on some and now you pretty much have dropped it except for a few like Mrs. Morgan.

What is that all about?
---Bruce5656 on 9/7/06


Eloy ... you are falling inot yuor old typing faults again, except that this time there are more people decapitated by you! Ruben and Rickey become "uben" and "ickey", and no doubt there wiil soon be "yan", as well as "uce"
This is because you refuse to use the capital letter for their name. A small "r" or "br" at the beginning of a blog will never be published.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/7/06


Why shouldn't a church have alter calls? Every church should have alter calls. tithing has been around since Abraham, and it is between that person and God, no one else. Once saved, always saved is untrue. A person can't live like hell and expect to go to heaven just because they got saved umteen years ago. Falling out in the spirit is real. It is the Holy Ghost that overwhelmes a person. We shouldn't divide the religions but alot do.
---Rebecca_D on 9/7/06


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Hebrews 7:3
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. <
---kathr4453 on 9/7/06


Actually Hebrews 7 isn't about tithing at all. It's about establishing who Jesus is. It's a very deep chapter.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/06


** uben, Bible alone is Christian, and faith alone in unChristian.**
How does this square with St. Paul's words to "Keep the traditions you have been taught, whether by our word or epistle?"
In other words, the Bible itself does not teach Bible alone.
---Jack on 9/7/06


jhonny, I am pleased you got a laugh. In my last line I am saying as Christians we are to give. I don't care what you give it can be spending time with and orphan or a senior citizen, you can give food to the hungry or homeless, I am simply stating give cheerfully. I am also saying that God was very specific in His definition of what was to be tithed by Israel (Levitivus 27) and it is man who has perverted this definition into money.
---Ryan on 9/7/06


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rickey, Hb.7 is not instructing titheing, instead it is telling the reason there was O.T. titheing. "and here indeed mortal men took tithes there, therefore bearing witness that he lives, and that it be said so, by Abraham; also Levi which took tithes was tithed, and yet he was in his father's loins, when Melchisedech met with him." Hebrews 7:8-10.
---Eloy on 9/7/06


rickey, you contradict the N.T. Laws of Christ, and therefore are not a follower of Christ.
---Eloy on 9/7/06


ruben, Bible alone is Christian, and faith alone in unChristian.
---Eloy on 9/7/06


Ryan, thanks for the sense of humour in your #1,2 responses. Enjoyed the creativity.
I fail to understand one last line. Could you rephrase or something. Re: "As a Christian GIVE do not redefine what God has already defined as the tithe." Thanks.
---jhonny on 9/7/06


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Rickey, one other thing my friend. When you 'pay your tithes at church' you do relize that you are not contributing to a place where God dwells, do you not? Scripture clearly states God does not dwell in buildings made with human hands.
---Ryan on 9/7/06


Rickey, my dear brother in the Lord, let me get this straight. You are comparing Jesus, the Son of God, the Messiah, the promised seed, the one who bore the sins of the world so you and I could have eternal life to Milchezidek? Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Milchezidek a high priest king of Salem located in the land of Soddom? Isn't this the same Soddom that there were not even 10 found to be righteous and fire and brimstone rained down on them? You are comparing the Son of God to a pagan priest?
---Ryan on 9/6/06


Ryan, in Hebrews 7 it points out that when we pay our tithes at church we are paying them to the High Priest, Jesus.
---Rickey on 9/6/06


Tithing for today is perfectly alright for those who want to fall for the lie that is proposed by churches that are already rich and want to get even richer.
---Helen_5378 on 9/6/06


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Ryan: Few have a deep personal relationship with the Lord. Those things you mentioned in your question:"religion". However I do believe in OSAS. It's in that rest and security that we grow more and more.
I don't recommend books, but there is one that is awsome. "A man in Christ". written by James Stewart. It's about Paul. How he worked out his salvation on the battle field of life. Nothing systematic about it. Everything Paul wrote was from personal experience: Christianity!
---kathr4453 on 9/6/06


#2 Rickey, Maybe I should tithe as Abram did from the spoils of war? Oh, wait, where is the high priest king of the land that I travel through in my war so I may give him my tithe. And, so I may say that whatever land the war was in did not make me wealthy, let me give the rest of the spoils to the people of that land. As a Christian GIVE do not redefine what God has already defined as the tithe.
---Ryan on 9/6/06


#1 Rickey, I'd love to tithe, can you point me in the direction of the nearest Levitical city so I may give my tithe to the rightful heirs. Oh, wait a minute I am neither a farmer nor a shepard nor a son of the Nation of Israel, so what than may I tithe of? I have nothing from the land, the seed of the land or fruit of the tree, neither do I have a herd nor a flock to tithe from so of what should I tithe?
---Ryan on 9/6/06


Hey Jack, it's interesting you say this: "If you want to live as Jesus did,leave your house or apartment and start wandering around homeless."
"in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits,.."
Seducing: Gk. "planos:-a vagabond, a tramp.
Christ was neither homeless, a vagabond, or a tramp. Although the idea to drop all responsibilities and obligations to spirit and true holy faith has great appeal. It takes work.
---jhonny on 9/6/06


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Tithing is still for today. If you read in Genesis tithing started before the O.T. did & was not done away with.(Hebrews 7) Altar calls are for folks to confess Jesus before men. Sinners prayer isn't scriptural. If you listen to most of what people have in it it N.T., but the scriptures used are for the church. Once a person get's saved they are sealed unto the day of redemption by the Holy Ghost. I see no where in the N.T. where christians lose their salvation. Most of things folks do are scriptural.
---Rickey on 9/6/06


Eloy- UnChristian: tithing (abolished O.T. practice), once saved always saved (false doctrine), praying to the virgin mary (idolatry ) Do not forget about Bible Alone, Faith Alone as not taught in scripture..
---Ruben on 9/6/06


** OK Ryan, we get it, you hate the modern church....Start your own ...**
God help us!
Just what we needed!
Yet ANOTHER latter-day schism started by a wannabee Popette who says, "Now we'll finally have a real New Testament Church with ME as the head that I'll make up as I go along."
From such, good Lord, deliver us!
---Jack on 9/6/06


** The Church as a whole has drifted so far away from the truth, that is why these things are excepted.**
What you are doing is giving a good reason to give serious attention to the Church writers of the first 3 centuries and ignore all modern teachers.
There's not as much drift in 3 centuries as there is in 21.
---Jack on 9/6/06


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Some are Christian. Christian: Altar calls (Coming forward to receive Jesus), Sinner's prayer (Confessing sins, and asking for forgiveness and salvation), dividing into factions (no fellowship of light and darkness, or idolaters and Christians), Rapture (Christ promises to come receive us to himself), slain in the spirit (the Shekinah glory or God's Presence overwhelms man). UnChristian: tithing (abolished O.T. practice), once saved always saved (false doctrine), praying to the virgin mary (idolatry).
---Eloy on 9/6/06


Pharisee, I hate nothing. I would not be doing my Christian duty if I did not point out the leaven that is in our congregations today. We are told to press on to maturity how can we do that when the 'leadership' is not telling the truth and they are relying on faulty 'church' doctrines? Do you have a problem with me pointing out false teachings?
---Ryan on 9/5/06


The Church as a whole has drifted so far away from the truth, that is why these things are excepted.
---Helen_5378 on 9/5/06


Again, that's why I'm not a member of a latter-day faction, such as anything Western Christianity has to offer, but am a member of the original Church?

Do you think Jesus never asked His Mother for things EVER in his life?

If you want to live as Jesus did, leave your house or apartment and start wandering around homeless. Just make sure you're on His spiritual level.
---Jack on 9/5/06


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