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Why Be Part Of Politics

At the heart and soul of politics are: immorality, dissentions, factions, disputes, sensuality, enmity, strife, jealousy, drunkeness, carousing & outbursts of anger. Why would any Christian wish to be associated with this through any political party like democrat, republican, independent, etc?

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 ---Ryan on 9/6/06
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The wisest human I ever met(my father) had this to say about that. The Two things that effect us most are, politics which affects our life here on earth and religion which affects our life not only here but for all eternity therefored we should be informed and concerned about both.
---mima on 8/29/07


2.Once Christinized, Rome was more corrupt and autocratic than ever. When Christians took over the Colossum was used to kill heretics and educated pagans, all with clerical endorsement. Ralph, take a basic history class. Late Romes values were RCC, and those calues were not like the values I see in Christ's teachings.
---MikeM on 9/14/06


1.Ralph; Our leaders in a republic are to submit to US not us to them. You have it backward. If we dont like them, by the provision of the constitution they are to be removed! "If kings and queens rule by divine right, then let them rule in heaven, but by God they will not rule me!"-thomas Jefferson. The Christians took over Rome by politics and deception in 325AD, this is basic history!
---MikeM on 9/14/06


Gee Ralph... thats what they said in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia... and NO, Im not comparing Bush to Hitler.

And BTW, Jesus was talking about taxes and being subject to the laws of Rome.
---NurseRobert on 9/12/06


Like R.A. said, we have a choice to make. Do we choose ignorance or do we choose to be informed and involved? You have a choice before you...do I want more godless laws or godly laws? What Christians do next will determine this. Like someone said in the in OT, "My house will serve the Lord...how about you?"
---Ralph on 9/12/06




By paying the tax, Jesus showed we are to submit to our leaders regardless how we feel about them. Christians took Rome down by not bashing Rome...they conquered it with love. We can take our nations back by spreading the love of Christ and voting for people who support godly standards. It is a slow process but the killing in the Colossum stopped when Christan values prevailed.
---Ralph on 9/12/06


This question keeps turning into a bash President Bush session. Whether you like Predident or not, Willow said it correctly. You are to be subject (submit) to your leaders. Jesus did not rise the above the Romans and say..."revolution." Jesus said..." Render to Caeser what is Caesers. Render to God what is God's."
---Ralph on 9/12/06


Politicans also love people who do nothing. It is so much easier to pass their own "pork projects." They love people who choose not to be informed because you do not what they really stand for. If I were a corrupt politican, I love Christians who refuse to get involved. You can complain all you want...a non-voter equals a vote for my personal agenda. That is what some non-voters do not understand.
---Ralph on 9/12/06


RA...you nailed it!!! Satan would rather see us enterained by TV than being involved in politics. TV is a picture of the state of the country. We love our entainment more our politics. TV is surperb at making people dumb! What scares politicans...an educated and informed people who votes! Politicans love dumb and ill-informed people because you can tell them anything and they will believe you.
---Ralph on 9/12/06


I'd rather wake up and smell the coffee, than hit the snooze button. Informed Christians make a difference. Voting for the next A. Idol, Dancing pair, or being absorbed with reality TV contributes to the dumbing down of the public. Christians belong in politics. The enemy hopes you'll fall asleep on your watch, become soft and an easy target.
---R.A. on 9/12/06




John, what "terrorist organization" was in Iraq when we invaded it?

Im not sorry that Hussein is gone, but I am saddened by what it cost, for no good reason, for us to do it.
---NurseRobert on 9/11/06


Nellah 2:

On this day, when I reflect back on what happend 5 years ago, it makes me angry that we went after a regime change in a country that DID NOT ATTACK US, and not the person who actually did it.

I dont hate Bush, but I don't trust him.
---NurseRobert on 9/11/06


Nellah, I was going to stay out of this until I read your words.

What information "confirming Iraq and Al Quida ... Iraq hid Al Quida operatives" are you talking about. I think Bush told us what we wanted to hear, but he didn't tell us the truth. Are you aware that Condoeszza Rice had been pushing for the removal of Hussein almost 2 years before 9/11?

Do you remember that George Bush lied to uswhen he said he wasn't wiretapping American's telephones?
---NurseRobert on 9/11/06


we are reminded by GODs own word in Titus 3:1
Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work,
---willow on 9/11/06


madison, that is a nice misleading article. The rest of the article makes it clear that they found out LATER that the intelligence was bad. What the article does not do is explain their statement that the Bush Administrations claims to have acted on bad intel. After a review of the Senate Intelligence Committee Report, I cannot find where the Administration says they knew the intelligence was bad pre-war. It all points to post-war findings.
---tofurabby on 9/11/06


The Americans are not at war with Iraq. They are at war with the terrorist organization in that country. There is a big difference. Ryan. I understand your frustration with modern politicians. You are describing corrupt governmet. That doesn't make all politics evil.The Bibles says blessed is the nation who's king fears the Lord. How could that ever happen if no one ever got involved in politics?
---john on 9/11/06


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Ryan, (2.)Social ill's have always been a big issue in the world, and there is a time and place to speak up, but it should always be in the right spirit. We will continue to have social ill's until Jesus set's up His Kingdom here on Earth, in the very very near future. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/11/06


Ryan ,(1.) I can see where you are coming from, all the sides have "serious flaws", I don't like it when Christian's promote a party on God's Time, "in the church", as part of the service, I find that very disturbing. They should discuss their views "outside of church", and even then we should not be so distracted with politics , that the emphasis is no longer on God/His Holy Commission for us, that is idolatry.
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/11/06


8-Bush displayed ``gross negligence'' by citing faulty intelligence in speeches and statements to connect Saddam Hussein to al-Qaeda, said Senator Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, the senior Democrat on the intelligence panel.
---Madison1101 on 9/11/06


7-Bush has consistently linked Iraq, where more than 2,600 U.S. military personnel have died and the U.S. is mired in a violent conflict between Shiites and Sunnis, to the larger war on terror and fundamentalist Islamic militants such as al-Qaeda.
---Madison1101 on 9/11/06


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6-Democrats said the reports show that statements by Bush administration officials before the Iraq war began in 2003 weren't supported by intelligence known at the time they spoke.

Republicans countered that Democrats were swayed by the same bad intelligence as President George W. Bush and supported the president's decision to go to war with Iraq. Still, seven of eight Republicans on the panel, including Chairman Pat Roberts, voted to approve the conclusions about pre-war intelligence.
---Madison1101 on 9/11/06


6-On two occasions, Hussein rebuffed al-Qaeda emissaries seeking to establish a relationship with his regime, information not reported to U.S. intelligence agencies before the war, the reports said.
---Madison1101 on 9/11/06


5-U.S. analysts had ``little specific intelligence reporting'' about Hussein's willingness to ally himself with al-Qaeda, the reports said. The committee quoted a 2002 Central Intelligence Agency report that said ``our assessment of al-Qaeda's ties to Iraq rests on a body of fragmented, conflicting reporting from sources of varying reliability.''
---Madison1101 on 9/11/06


4-Allegations that Hussein provided chemical and biological weapons training to al-Qaeda operatives also turned out to be false, the reports said. The Defense Intelligence Agency said in 2002 that it was unlikely Iraq gave Bin Laden any useful weapons assistance.
The Senate reports cite inconsistencies and contradictions overlooked by intelligence agencies as they produced intelligence briefings for senior policy makers.
---Madison1101 on 9/11/06


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3-Contrary to assertions by Vice President Dick Cheney and other senior Bush administration officials, Hussein didn't have links to al-Qaeda and the Sept. 11 terrorist plot, the reports said.
``Saddam Hussein was distrustful of al-Qaeda and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime,'' one of the reports said. Hussein refused all requests from al-Qaeda to provide material or operational support, said the reports.
---Madison1101 on 9/11/06


2-Administration statements that Saddam Hussein was allied with Osama bin Laden and was helping al-Qaeda obtain chemical and biological weapons proved wrong and misleading and weren't based on solid intelligence in its possession, the declassified Senate reports said.
---Madison1101 on 9/11/06


Sept. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Bush administration claims justifying the war against Iraq were based on fragmented, conflicting, and at times unreliable intelligence, according to two reports released today by the Senate Intelligence Committee.
---Madison1101 on 9/11/06


What better allies to have against one common enemy, America, than others who hate us too? Yes, there has been information confirming Iraq and Al Quida ... Iraq hid Al Quida operatives. Bush didn't lie to anyone. Bunch of Democratic propaganda. They hate Bush not Osama!
---Nellah on 9/11/06


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Madison -- Now that some time has passed, it appears it might have been better to go after (perhaps) Iran instead of Iraq. Al Qaeda (propagators of 9/11) is only one of many terrorist organizations we must defend against. The "Bush lied" argument is worn-out party-line propaganda. I'll not comment further on this matter.
---Donna2277 on 9/10/06


Nellah: He lied to the Americans when he said that Iraq was linked to the 9/11 terrorists. The Senate report concludes that there was no link between Iraq and 9/11. How can you say he is a Christian and of God when he lied and got thousands of our innocent soldiers killed. Their blood is on his hands.
---Madison1101 on 9/10/06


All power and authority come from God to serve His blessed purpose.

Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
(John 19:11)
---mike on 9/10/06


Nurse--I'm not sure what you are referring to, but many families of soldiers killed in Iraq would agree with Nellah. I know some of these families.
---Donna2277 on 9/10/06


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Nellah, tell that to the families of the 2600 Americans kill in Iraq.
---NurseRobert on 9/9/06


Nellah says George Bush was put in the White House by God. Now I am confused I thought us voting put him in. Democrats would get us killed? Clinton lied, no one died, Bush lied, 2500 solders died. I don't fear who would get us killed, I see who is actually getting us killed. Bush has a great amount of power, as much as Hitler in 1933. Sorry both political parties are useless and I tend to not think God has a a interest in a particular political party, inspite of what the religious reich er, right says.
---MikeM on 9/9/06


George Bush was put in the White House by God. God knew what was coming our way. I love politics, grew up in a political family. They were Christians. Things were different in the 40's and 50's. They were also Democrats. My family turned to the Republican conversatives during the Reagan years. I'd rather hang with the Republicans. We do NOT need liberals running our country. I fear they would get us killed.
---Nellah on 9/9/06


The notion of a republic is secular. 'Republic' is 100% a pagan secular concept, born in Pagan Athens, 500bc. I believe in a firm wall of seperation of church and state, ant doubts, read Thomas Jefferson. The 'reigious right' is no friend of democracy, people who take away freedoms do so in the name of morality, decency. Banned books, killing homosexuals, anti communist, was not what Hitler was? Is that not the agenda of the religious right?
---MikeM on 9/8/06


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Mike M

you are o so right.
---willow on 9/8/06


I think we are called to particpate in the democratic process and to make the best decisions we can in favor of Christianity.
To withdraw and ignore politics altogether would be terrible for our nation.
---mike on 9/8/06


The word in the UK is that Bush won by a "mix up" in the votes... as did Kennedy
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/8/06


The reason President Bush won was because of Christians. When Christians do vote, they make a huge difference...note the word..."When." AS long as Christians remain silent on politics, we will head toward more of a godless nation. AGain, godly families do not equal Christian nation. Godly families equal Godly nation when they live and apply the Word of God and apply it at work, home, church, and politics. Homosexuals choose to pick on Christians because most Christian will do nothing.
---Ralph on 9/8/06


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Godly families does not always equal a great Christian Nation. If those families do not vote, stand up, nor fight for what is right, corruption remains. This is what WAshington D.C. knows! A few powerful lobbyist tell the rest of us what we will do because majority of people are happy being being doormats. You can change famililies but if families do not act on changes...what will change...nothing.
---Ralph on 9/8/06


Agree with MikeM on the family issue!
---Donna2277 on 9/7/06


I hate politics. Relgion and politics shouldn't mix. Meaning they should vote in the church who is voting for who. No matter who is in the office, we will always complain, no matter what the decision is.
---Rebecca_D on 9/7/06


** We live in a Republic(for which it stands).**

What is the "it" referring to in your sentence. It has no grammatical antecedent.
---Jack on 9/7/06


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We live in a Republic(for which it stands).Read The pledge, the Constitution, Bill of rights, and Federalist papers. Then become educated on the true nature of politics..We live in Socialism..
---Lynn on 9/7/06


Spike, blessings to you and your cows from a Texan who loves the USA, too. I'll pray you get some good rain, soon.
---Donna2277 on 9/7/06


The truth is we were never a 'Christian Nation'. Donna2277 you have not heard much about the Haudenosaunee tribes because like everything else that was taken or done to the Natives of this land this is also kept very quiet. MikeM is right on in his statement. If all the work was put into building Godly families 90% of the work would be done, Amen brother Mike. Let's get our focus in the correct areas.
---Ryan on 9/6/06


If you want to live in a theocracy, I guess you are going to have to wait for the New Jerusalem. Right now we live in a democratic republic. You have the right, however, NOT to take part, NOT to vote, NOT to support what you feel is right for the country. (If you live in Australia you are REQUIRED to vote).
True we are no longer a "Christian Nation", but I've certainly heard a lot more about Jesus here than the
Haudenosaunee tribes. (How odd for a country founded by deists).
---Donna2277 on 9/6/06


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What makes a goverment great is the people who rule it. A goverment for God by God, will always choose life and liberty. Even if we were a Parlimentary, God would still bless our goverment. The key tool is God controlling the government. Separtion of Church and State only leads to a secular nation. You cannot separate christianity and politics and expect to keep it a Christian nation. If you are going to have a Christain goverment, regardless of form, the backbone of the law must be the Bible.
---Ralph on 9/6/06


Ryan, I agree with you the U.S is not the Christian nation it used to be. However, the history of the U.S. shows us that the U.S. was created and developed with Christian ideas. Whether the nations is a Parlimentary or Republic is not the big issue to God, rather, where the Lord leads the nation...liberty and freedome prevails. God, in history has blessed Kings, Parliments, and Republics, when obedient to Him.
---Ralph on 9/6/06


Ryan: Godly people can influence the ungodliness that exists in the political arena, regardless of the type of government we have. We do not have to have a theocracy for Christians to make a difference in politics.
---Madison1101 on 9/6/06


Ralph, This country was founded by freemasons and deist. I think Jefferson was very clear on the relationship between church and state, when you mix the two, you corrupt both. Let Godliness begin with me, then the family. America we should builds Godly families- when that is done then 90% of morally cleaning up America is done.
---MikeM on 9/6/06


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I'm a redneck from Oklahoma. I tend to cows and try to supply food for your table. I have no idea what you're talking about there Ryan. I served my country and I love the USA. I ask for your prayers as we are in severe drought. Ryan, happy trails to you buddy.
---Spike on 9/6/06


Ralph, your entire premise is incorrect, America is not a Christian nation. American government is based on the Haudenosaunee tribes form of govenrment not God's. God runs a theocracy we live in a constitutional republic, there is an enormous difference between the two.
---Ryan on 9/6/06


It is like a dirty house. If you look at the house and say..."no way", you are saying this house is not worth cleaning. So every person who live and enters it is influence by its dirt. Or you can choose to start by picking up a broom and dust pan and saying...let's start. A clean house is a result of someone taking time to maintain it. If you want a godly government, someone has to use the broom and dust pan!!! That is "us Christians!"
---Ralph on 9/6/06


Christians have fallen into a trap that say...God will fix it. However, we forget God call Christains to be involved so His Will be done. Every law that is signed and pass is a reflection of someones values. AGain, whose values do you want? God's or man? If we choose man's, we are telling satan he is free to do what he wants and we will set ourselves up as doormats.
---Ralph on 9/6/06


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You cannot seperate Christianity and politics. For a nation to retain a Christain nation, you must have Christian laws and people running the government. Laws must be grounded on the world of God. if Christians neglict to be involved in politics, secular people will run the governemnt. That mean God's Law will not be the backbone of our laws. We have a choice. Do we get involved so we can remain a Christain nation or run from politics and hope we remain a Christian nation?
---Ralph on 9/6/06


Ryan, one can be involved in politics without being drunk or carousing.
You really seem to be looking at the world through sewage-colored glasses.
What's the matter?
---Jack on 9/6/06


Two reasons:
1) It is our duty to vote
2) We are never satisfied with things as they are.

The "works of the flesh" mentioned are everywhere...on the job,in the family.We associate with them daily. Only in politics are they made so public.
---Donna2277 on 9/6/06


If the heart and soul of politics are as you say, how about Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. I see the disgruntled on this site that don't care much for our government/policies. Matt 28:18 All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Of all people, the Christian should stand up and be involved in our government.
---Spike on 9/6/06


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I know many friends from church who have been active in their party locally, and have served on local township boards and school boards. They do it because they believe it is a Christian's responsibility to get into that arena and make a difference for Christ. They are salt and light among the evil. We are to be IN the world, not OF it.
---Madison1101 on 9/6/06


Maybe to try and reform those things from the inside out?

Hmmm...

But I agree with you, it's not for me.
---Pharisee on 9/6/06


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