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Pastor Buys $300,000 Car

How do you feel about a pastor spending $200,000 to $300,000 on a car? Is it okay if he can afford to do it? Or do you feel it's wasteful and his focus should be on how many people he can help with that money instead?

Moderator - I would believe he is worldly regardless if he had the money or not. If he has that much money and decided not to give part of it away for the Gospel, then he should live below his means as to not harm his weaker Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

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this is a big problem with worldly churches who are not good stewards of God's money..am not saying all of them but the majority..I know, I have been in those churches..now am in God's true church..
---jana on 9/27/07


StrongAxe>>You made such a good point. Besides, it really is noone's business excepts GodS and the believer. If God doesn't mind then who are we to JUDGE. The unbelievers favorite word. JUDGE. Thou shalt not.
---catherine on 9/25/07


i feel that if he can afford that amount for a car,then he must have given that much more in return, so either hes blessed by god or he is robbing the church by claiming that not paying their tithes are a sin,so hes making his bed to lie in it himself.rather it be for the best or for the worse,god knows.m..love
---mae_osborn on 9/25/07


If you were in a ritzy job making a million a year, would you think that a $200,000 car is excessive?

And do you think it's fair to pay a million or more to a major corporate CEO, but expect a world-class elevangelist with similar (or better) skills and gifts to work for a fraction of that salary?

Churches only pay an evanglist million-dollar salaries if they're worth it. Given that, arent' they free to spend it however they see fit, just as you can spend your income how you see fit?
---StrongAxe on 9/25/07


I feel it is very wasteful,pompous,immodest and ungodly for a man or woman in leadership to laud those type things over their charges heads. To each his own but we as servants of God should be more discerning. Not like the world. But I do understand someone will always be offended and at odds with leadership.This is why we are to pray always and leave the rest up to God. He will set all things in order.God will not sit by and see His people continue to be hurt and bashed.
---Robyn on 9/24/07




I kinda agree with the Moderator on that one. Kinda ridiculous!
---catherine on 9/24/07


Jana: You need the Holy Ghost to discern Holy things. W hen you become saved we all are God's servants. Your pastor, Jakes, Hinn and the rest are no more anointed then me or any other saved person at this blog..ok. So leave God's servants alone is a silly statemnt coming from you. Now that being said: I feel a preacher can drive anything he wants to but he should be careful to let the members know where there money goes. This is the beef, members have with churches,ok.
Will write more////
---Robyn on 9/24/07


I think of the Televangelist with their limo's fancy cloths, and their mansions. I dont really blame them, its the ignorant who send them the money in the first place who are to blame. Thats the price of freedom of religion-to be a scoundrel, or support an indolent one.

I flip through the Tv and see some of them, or goodle them, they are exposed constantly as being fake, yet the $ keeps on a rollin' into their bank accounts.
---MikeM on 9/24/07


More:
Jana: As I have sad many time at this blog. I don't need anyone to misuse and abuse my money. I can do that myself. I am not jealous of my pastor and what he drives but I am not going to keep giving money that is unaccounted for. I give an offering and the rest I use to help those in need. When you are in leadership you have to be very careful and mindful, of what and how you do things. Both public and private. I say he should be more modest and less flashy, in all things.
---Robyn on 9/24/07


friends, dont show your jealousy on this here site: whom are you to judge God's Servants..why shouldnt they use their money to their own wishes? whom are you to point out that there are the poor to think about? Have you given generously yourselves? I wonder. they didnt create the poor..if they are wealthy, or inherited it, Good on them..JEALOUSY WONT GET YOU NOWHERE FRIENDS..u.r.so quick to say how they should spend their wealth..leave God's servants alone
---jana on 9/23/07




A pastor should never use Gods money for his fleshly desires. If he wants theses things, he should go out and work for them. Gods money should be used for the poor and needy.
---calhoon on 9/20/07


Robyn, the difference between what you are saying and what I am saying is the heart of the person receiving the handout. God knows it best. There are people who waste their money on things they didn't need and get into binds because of it. In those binds, they won't sell something for the money because they want the goods and the money. Those are the ones you never see unless they need money. And then there are those who, no matter what they do, fall on hard times and are in genuine need.
---Linda on 9/19/07


They will sell anything and do anything to make it. Those are the ones who are so thankful for the help that they never forget that you gave to them. The common ground you and I share is this: whatever He says to you, do it.
---Linda on 9/19/07


Reuben_Butler: There is nothing wrong with being poor.If you can eat,meet bills and be content.You are rich indeed! But if you are able to live high on the hog. Do it! No-Jesus was not poor. But that does not mean all Christians will be rich. The bible says the poor will be with always. The rich has a tough time in this world and it will be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, then for them(rich) to make it to heaven. I hope you understand this parable in the bible.
---Robyn on 9/19/07


Linda: I hear what you are saying but everyone needs a handout sometimes, in their lives. That handout could be just what they need to help them meet a goal. When I help others I don't feel like I am hindering or enabling them. I feel I am doing the will of God and God takes care of the rest. I will never stop helping the poor and needy. God loves the poor as well.
---Robyn on 9/19/07


When you can walk into a church, be comfortable around all religions, all doctrines, all gospels, and not offend a single soul, your light is growing dim. If no one on the street could identify you from anyone else in the crowd, check your temperature.
Purging starts in the Church, first. Then it moves to the streets. Suddenly, God moves. The Body of Christ is not one or two preachers. Remember the man of unclean lips - an angel placed a hot coal on his tongue.
---Bob on 9/19/07


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There's no Scripture in the Bible to support the neglect of the orphan, the widow and the poor. Giving is not enabling.
The Bible says the poor will always be with us. That does not mean you turn your back on them, not by a long stretch. Ignoring them could asuage your guilt about a new sports car or rolex.
---Bob on 9/19/07


Robyn, I altogether agree with you regarding a shepherd being mindful of the flock and esteeming others higher than himself. That works both ways. However, I also agree that a hand out without a hand up does no good whatsoever. As a matter of fact, it enables the poverty instead of eliminating it. A very wise man said one time in my hearing: Willing to take my money? Then be willing to listen to my message.
---Linda on 9/18/07


People who refuse to accept Godly financial counsel but don't mind accepting finances tend to be leeches all their lives and they never take responsibility for their own actions. In any fellowship, you have far more people saying, "Hand me some money" and far less people saying, "Teach me to handle the money God has placed in my hands already."
---Linda on 9/18/07


I am not saying the family you are referring to is of that estate. There are tests, trials, and tribulations where we must stand therefore, and having done all to stand. I don't think it is wisdom to boast in material things as they may be required of you very soon. The true test of the heart of the one who owns them is when God says, "Give that away."
---Linda on 9/18/07


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I used to have a problem with wealthy preachers. But the Lord spoke to me and said: " Oh, did I forget to ask you before I belessed Pastor so & so with a million dollar home?" The I realized that God felt it necessary to blessed Solomon as he did. AND I if the CEO of Hustler magazine can own a jet why can't a man of God own a jet. If anyone is cheating or heart is not in the right place, that is between him and God.
---Brother_T on 9/18/07


I posted a similar questions a couple weeks ago. My pastor bought his wife a luxury car(Jaguar) got in the pulpit and bragged about it. Members sitting right there,had no transportation and was walking to church. I see that as haughty,prideful and an abmination before the Lord. A preacher should be mindful of the people he leads and tone his lifestyle down. When you are a servant, you have to be mindful of the things that you do. You belong to the people.I feel he should have bought a lesser priced car.
---Robyn on 9/16/07


If a pastor can afford to buy this type car he is not hurting for money. As in my case: I would suggest we need a church bus and to help more needy people in our church and the community.I give offerings in my church. I give special money only,if it will go to help the poor and needy. Otherwise I use my money to help the homeless and other outreaches on my own time.I am tired of the follishness that goes on in these churches.
---Robyn on 9/16/07


Why can't a pastor buy an expensive car if he chooses. Why is it wrong for a pastor who is filthy stinking rich to buy a 300,000.00 car. According to Romans the bible says we are like Gods higher than the angels and I think God likes all the best things. Also Jesus wasn't poor because when he died they did gamble over his garments. Why would you gamble over something worthless, So if God has the best of everything why can't christians. Thats why most christians are broke because of the above statement.
---Reuben_Butler on 9/15/07


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JOHN I have been off line for awhile.
In response to your answer on 09/12/2006. What have you given to help the poor? I personally have spent a better part of 5 years preaching and feeding the homeless on skid row in downtown Los Angeles. As a pastor who doesnt get paid for it. Sack lunches are cheap to make, a sandwich chips and a soda (plus a book of john or a bible tract) you pull up in the truck and give out 500 sacks in about 2 minutes and get out before the cops arrest you.
---willow on 10/18/06


Always on, I have been off line for a while. in response to you posting on 9/12/06. You do make a good point but think of the ministry the you can do with the amount of money you spend on your toys. My point is this until we are ready to do what Jesus would do then we shouldnt questions our leaders motives.
---willow on 10/18/06


seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and all its righteousness and all these things will be added unto you does not mean everyone is going to be rich. in fact the bible warns that we are not to seek getting rich. you are suppose to stay focused on spiritual things. get out of your flesh mind. god has planned your life and prosperity is not just money and jobs but spiritual rewards.
---monique on 9/25/06


I must tell you all this. Some christians think that Jesus wants us to be poor. NOT SO. David and Solomon was both wealthy. Jesus said....seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and righteousness and all these things will be added unto you.
---Adon on 9/23/06


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John T. The ONLY "prop" I see Jesus used was an old rugged Cross.
---kathr4453 on 9/19/06


John T, The only thing I can figure out with your comment, is you must have a $300,000 car.
Do you know John T, that the preaching of the Gospel is the power unto salvation. The Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than a two edge sword. For someone to say they need to drive in $300,000 car for that POWER to work, is not really believing that truth. Their trying to save someone on their own terms.
---kathr4453 on 9/18/06


"That verse is not a license to sin! But Oh how many love to use that to excuse themselves, saying I need it to witness"

This discussion is out of hand!

When one engages in black-white thinking, and goes to absurd lengths of a position, then proportion, propriety and objectivity are all lost. Further rational discussion is futile.
---JohnT on 9/18/06


dear sir/madam.i want you to show me some bible scriture.
---ephariam on 9/18/06


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john t: How you use scripture out of context. So, if you were going to witness to the druggies on the street, would you drop some acid first, say, hay man, hay dude, what up!
That verse is not a license to sin! But Oh how many love to use that to excuse themselves, saying I need it to witness.
Would you become a transvestite, to witness to one? Would you send us all some pictures, if you do!
---kathr4453 on 9/18/06


#2 Rachel, so you know, I would never be cruel to someone here or in real life. I will debate an issue, but it's not me to be rude or do personal attacks.
That's also why I won't post names. Contrary to what you or others may believe, I won't do so out of respect & out of friendship. They aren't, by far, the only pastors driving expensive cars, so I doubt anyone could pinpoint exactly who they are.
---AlwaysOn on 9/18/06


Rachel, I'm sorry you're offended. I wasn't laughing in a mean way. I thought you playing detective was cute and my statement was in good nature. I even said that I have a similar curiosity and, like you, will try to figure things out. It's difficult to read tone and attitude on blogs, but please believe that my intention was NEVER to offend you, it was all in good nature. FTR, I never said I'm talking about my church. I have several pastors in my family and know many on a friendly basis.
---AlwaysOn on 9/18/06


Read matthew 25:14-30

also TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN MUCH IS EXPECTED
---DEROD on 9/18/06


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Hi Benny, No, I don't consider that Christ like, you are so right. I apologize for that. Was just havin a bad day. God bless
---sue on 9/17/06


sue: A man that buys a car for $300,000, in my opinion, is totally missing something from his personality. Maybe his mom didn't give him enough attention when he was little? hmmmmm. I couldn't even imagine driving around in a car like that. What a waste of money.

Do you consider such speculative character assassination Christ-like discourse?
---Benny on 9/17/06


1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
---JohnT on 9/17/06


So whether it be besmirching or be-smooching, bible is clear about going directly to your neighbor or brother and talking these things over privately. A million people access this site.
---Rachel on 9/17/06


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I do know what denominations use 'First Lady', and you can laugh. Anytime you go into financial details about a church, membership, cultural questions, alot has been revealed. Bottom line, friends don't ask covert questions on a public board about the inner workings of their church or pastor. I don't consider that friendship. I think if we went there, we could pick you out of the crowd. Something to think about.
---Rachel on 9/17/06


john t. Jesus was/is a missionary to the rich as well. What did He tell the rich young ruler? Don't buy it!!Sorry!

So you're saying we become as the world to save them from the world? Still don't buy it!
---kathr4453 on 9/17/06


#4: Spike, I applaud you for standing up for the elderly widow. One of the pastors mentioned here, I wouldn't approach bc I don't pay any tithes to his church and it would seem out of order. Besides, I know it's being addressed by others in his congregation. The other, I do consider a friend and do plan to address it with him at the right time. First, I needed to stand back, pray and analyze my own reaction which is why I was also curious about the opinions of my wise ChristiaNet pals. ;) Thanks!
---AlwaysOn on 9/17/06


#3: Rachel, I feel both have a (small?) appetite for the world. I believe both love God, but are still growing and, for now, are materialistic. I respect them, but understand they need prayer...so I pray for them. I tithe to 3 different ministries and only one of the pastors mentioned here are included in that #. I tithe bc it's something God told me to do years ago, so a pastor can't change that. Besides, the one I do tithe to didn't get the $ from tithes or offerings (but other church biz).
---AlwaysOn on 9/17/06


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#2: Rachel, I'm lol'ing at your detective skills (I'm one who will also try to piece together facts to try to figure out who's who, lol), but I don't think you can read too much into me saying First Lady. One, that's a term that's used in a lot of churches/denominations and, two, with one of the pastors discussed here, I don't believe that's what his wife is called (it's just how I referred to her based on how I refer to pastor's wives). I'm curious about who you Googled though. ;)

Continued...
---AlwaysOn on 9/17/06


#1: JohnT, I understand. However, I know the context & the facts (& the names, lol), so you'll have to trust me on what I post w/out naming names. Sorry, but I wouldn't out either one of them on a public message board, just out of respect.
Rachel, no, not a Rolls (though I know several pastors who drive Rolls Royce's & one of the ones in this conversation had one before he bought another car which contributes to me believing his recent purchase was unnecessary).Cont'd...
---AlwaysOn on 9/17/06


Jack, I know you always want the Dewey Decimal Classification System of all reference materials, but we only have 85 words to put our point across. You may have to complete research for all that's needed to fill in the blanks. Have a good evening.
---R.A. on 9/17/06


No names needed. This is a public forum, permanent record. I don't want to see anybody get in too deep. I think it's best if it's just left alone and not pushed to the razor's edge.
---R.A. on 9/16/06


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kathy & Always: In Scripture, context determines 90% of meaning; it is similar in life.

Wife worked for the philanthropist who gave 12 Mil + yearly. That person had a private jet, and a new Mercedes every other year.
In addition to serving Christian causes, the person was also a missionary to the rich.

Therefore the perks of wealth was not being ostentatious, they were tickets to earn the right to be on level with them.

Thus, I ask what is the mission of those pastors and names?
---JohnT on 9/16/06


Lessons learned, for me. Matt 5:23,24 "be reconciled with your brother" If this pastor has discernment, he may come looking for you first. Be ready. For reconciliation or what God wants.
---R.A. on 9/16/06


A man that buys a car for $300,000, in my opinion, is totally missing something from his personality. Maybe his mom didn't give him enough attention when he was little? hmmmmm. I couldn't even imagine driving around in a car like that. What a waste of money.
---sue on 9/16/06


How about trusting in God to take care of it. Pride does come before a fall.
---Faye on 9/16/06


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As a man, eye to eye, I would make an appointment with pastor and tell him my concerns. Face to face. I've done it, when an elderly widow did not have air conditioner for home and was sick. Church had $100,000's in treasury. They still did not want to. I asked for a vote, because I tithe. In this situation, I wouldn't talk anymore, I would go straight in and face it, one on one. You don't need an army behind you. If it wasn't bothering you, you would not have brought it up.
---Spike on 9/16/06


John T:
So, you're saying that there are instances that a $300,000 car is acceptable, to....certain individuals...that we must know their name....and therefore excuse those who....claim to have additional priveledges.
"You have become kings, and we are the scum of the world"
*1st Corinthians 4:8-16
---kathr4453 on 9/16/06


Rolls Royce were traditionally the most expensive luxurious and cars in the world ... the cars for the super-rich. We now have others like the Maybach, and super-sports cars such as Ferraris, Maseratis.
Does any pastor need such as these?
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/16/06


JohnT, not that I'm going to give them, but I'm curious as to how the pastors names would change the context?
---AlwaysOn on 9/16/06


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And now I know who's driving the other one. You can google it right up. We've talked about it for days, so how will you feel inside about it, Alwayson? We laid the cards out on the table, will you have same commitment to the church? Tithing?
---Rachel on 9/16/06


You said First Lady, and that really narrows it down. So I think people familiar with that term can figure it out without naming names.
---Rachel on 9/15/06


I would say, it is a Rolls Royce Phantom, am I correct? And I bet I can guess who's driving it, but I won't.
---Rachel on 9/15/06


Always:
Naming names would help, because we will learn the context of the expensive car.

Otherwise, we are pontificating without knowing all the facts.
---John_T on 9/15/06


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In the UK the most expensive road cars in the world cost about 200,000.
This equates to about $300,000.
What pastor needs one of those?
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/14/06


PART TWO:
17,000 children die every day from hunger-related diseases.
What would Jesus do?
1 John 3:17, "But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?"
---Bruce5656 on 9/14/06


Anyone interested in what kinds of cars are in these price ranges can Google "expensive cars". The first listing is Forbes which gives a nice listing of the world's 10 most expensive cars. Check them out if you're curious.
---AlwaysOn on 9/14/06


That is a good question. Just what car sells for 300,000.00?
---Bruce5656 on 9/14/06


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Ashlee, can't speak for both, but I know one of the pastors doesn't have millions of dollars. His car purchase involved church business, so a full accounting of where the money came from and how much was spent is no secret. I have enormous love for this pastor. This isn't a judgment, but a matter of fact.
Bethie, I won't say what kind of car cost $300,000 as I don't know of another pastor who own one & noting it may give his identity away. Believe me, there are cars in this price range though.
---AlwaysOn on 9/14/06


Hi, did this really happen? Or is it only a what if type question? Also, what kind of car costs $300,000?
---bethie on 9/14/06


Who is to say this pastor doesn't give his money back to God? Maybe he had millions and gave all of it to the ministry and used this bit to buy a car he desired? Who are we to judge him and I would warn those who do.."Don't judge lest you be judged." How much did your car cost? How much of that lump of money did you give back to God? Be careful when you point.
---ashlee on 9/14/06


I say if it creates a stumblingblock to a weaker brother or brings reproach to the name of Christ, it is sin. Much of such luxurious expenditure is a restult of entitlement. People just simply believe they deserve it for all their hard work. I always say to Father, "If such a luxury could win my heart to the place that I would not give it away at Your word, then I don't want it."
---Linda6563 on 9/13/06


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John T & Always On ... # 2 ... But even for a mega ministry, I do not see the need for expenditure of 200,000 on a car (that would buy the top of the range of the most luxurious car built in the world)
Clearly pastors in the USA are not at all the same type of person or job as in the UK.
In the UK ostentious display of wealth is limited to the very very rich or the newly rich ... and would not be expected of a pastor, and here they do not expect to be "paid by results"
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/13/06


John T & Always On ... # 1 ... I am not talking of a mega church or of a mega ministry ... just of the local pastor with a church of maybe a max of 1000 members among a community district of 10000.
That's the max norm over here, and the average church has about 70 to 200 members
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/13/06


Darlene, I know several pastors who make money from outside (non-ministry) sources. Yet, most still don't do the extravagant spending we're discussing. One that comes to mind does spend on "toys", but does so only after years and years of helping others. Also, his church has SEVERAL community outreach programs. One of the pastors I'm referencing here doesn't have a single community outreach program at his church nor is there any program to help his congregation with any crisis or basic needs.
---AlwaysOn on 9/13/06


Alan:
The cost of the jet plane of the "rich evangelist" and Christian philanthropist is more than $300K
---JohnT on 9/13/06


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Willow. In a world were our neighbors are starving to death and dying from lack of medical attention why would you say it is ok for anyone to live in luxury? And especially a pastor who is supposed to be an example to the flock.
---john on 9/13/06


Willow, pastors having expensive homes and cars is fine (if the congregation is living just as well). However, each pastor already had multiple cars before spending hundreds of thousands on toys. Imagine the outreach and ministry that could've been financed with $500,000! Christians (not just pastors) needlessly spending that kind of money on cars (that depreciate the second they leave the lot) causes people to question where their heart is. For a pastor, especially, it's difficult to digest.
---AlwaysOn on 9/12/06


What some pastors do to get that kind of money is play the stock market. In that case they are no different than anyone else who makes lots of money. The average person doesn't go around buying cars or other things for people.If they give its through church or charities. I think people need to be a little kinder to pastors.
---Darlene_1 on 9/12/06




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