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Who Was Norman Vincent Peale

Who was Norman Vincent Peale? What do you think about his ministry and book entitled 'The Power Of Positive Thinking'? Have you read it? What are your opinions, experiences concerning it all? God bless you.

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Peale taught many New Age practices and modern psychology that is based on mind power. He believed there were many ways to God.
---aka on 12/3/10


If you think Dr. Norman Vincent Peale is the very same Evil..... I think you are wrong, maybe because you are fanatic people...... The fact is I have read all his books and I never found nothing different about a person who allwais put God in first place.... He repeated, repeated and repeat " I can do all things trough Christ which strenght me
---andres on 12/3/10


I read The Power of Positive Thinking years ago. I believe it was written in the 50's. It really had nothing to say except it's better to be positive!(duh) Norman Vincint Peale was a liberal clergyman, not a born-again Christian.
---Donna2277 on 4/17/08


I applaud you Helen 5378 and Eloy...too many Christians take this aspect of our faith lightly...they think it's a big joke and that people like us are just being ridiculous and over the edge, fanatical even they say. But, God is serious about those "accursed" items...every believer needs to read the story in the Old Testament of what happened when an "accursed" item was brought into the camp! Joshua 6:18-7:26
---Holly4jc on 7/14/07


Accursed Item = devoted, set apart for destruction, this can refer to anything which is under the ban from commom use. (from Strongs) Aren't we BANNED from using things that are not of God? Such as tarot cards, buddahs, ungodly music, psychic crystals, dreamcatchers, etc? These are not of God, they are used in other false religions, they are accursed and will bring demonic forces into our homes and affect everyone who lives there. Get rid of anything you are in doubt about, close those doors!!!
---Holly4jc on 7/14/07




Holly4jc - I too had a similar experience. As soon as I got born-again I just knew to throw many things out of my house. All the Cds, Videos, Books, Statues and much else all got out. There are many things that I will not have in my house any longer.
---Helen_5378 on 7/13/07


Norman Vincent Peale's book "The Power of Positive Thinking" is self-help and should have no part in any Christian's life. Throw it away. It was one book that was used as a self-help item when I was with Amway, which has some form of christianity but it is not the real thing. Same as the Anthony Robbins' materials.
---Helen_5378 on 7/13/07


Holly4jc, I had a similar experience. God also made me throw away many brown grocery bags full of things- hundreds of dollars worth. And when I said, Surely Lord this nice soft rock is harmless to keep, and tried to go back to sleep. He would continue waking me and tell me, it too has got to go. God is jealous and demands 100% holiness, and nothing less is acceptable. If the music does not clearly give glory to him, he hates it, and why not? he made music and all things for his own pleasure.
---Eloy on 7/13/07


You know, from the beginning when I first got saved (back in 1993), I was seeking where God wanted me to go (church-wise) to grow as a Christian, I was clueless as to what the different denominations were, having been raised Jewish. But I'll tell you one thing (well actually 2 things). When watching TBN..The Hour of Power with Robert Schuller, I knew something was totally wrong with that group. They seemed to be exalting all these people on stage (some famous, some not) as if the party was for them.
---Holly4jc on 7/12/07


Part 2) The other thing is having grown up in an Italian Catholic neighborhood, I knew there was something just downright wrong with Catholocism. All that discernment coming from a new believer, who had been Jewish no less! Thank the Lord for that build-in warning system He gave me so as not to get pulled into the wrong arena of false teachings, especially being new in the Lord and not really knowing the Word of God yet.
---Holly4jc on 7/12/07




Part 1) Now that Norman Vincent Peale has been exposed, may I be so bold as to suggest that any of you who still have a copy or copies of his books along with anyone else's books that he stood in agreement with that are not of God...get rid of those books!!! Do not keep the accursed item(s) in your home!!! As Christians, we need to rid our homes of those things that are not of God. Anything that speaks of new age or other false religions..get rid of it!
---Holly4jc on 7/12/07


Part 2) Take the time and go through your books and other things and ask God to show you what is not glorifying to Him...what would He want you to get rid of? And then be obedient and throw it out or burn it if possible!!! After I got saved, God started pointing out all kinds of things I had, anything from American Indian artifacts to c/d's, astrology books, even certain little knik-knaks such as little buddah's, etc.
---Holly4jc on 7/12/07


Part 3) The Lord would not allow me to sleep until I would get up (sometimes at 3 am) and throw out what He was pointing out to me. You would be amazed at how the spiritual climate in my home would change from getting rid of those "accursed" items. Of course, after you discard them you should anoint your home with oil and pray over it. But believe me, you will experience a definite change in the spirit realm, since you are no longer in possession of items are an open the door to the enemy.
---Holly4jc on 7/12/07


Part 4) Oh yes...one more thing...just so you know, I tried to argue with God about the financial cost of the items I was throwing away, "but Lord, do you know how much I paid for that piece of Indian artwork? And it would be kinda rude to throw someone's artwork in the trash, wouldn't it?". Well, none of my arguments won, God did not care about any of that, but I am sure glad He won because the PEACE of not having those things in your home is "priceless"! Try it, you'll like it! :-)
---Holly4jc on 7/12/07


I know he wrote for guidepost magazine. I never read his book. I do believe in any circumstance you can either be positive or negative. Being around someone who is negative all the time is depressing.
---shira_9639 on 7/12/07


And the moral of the story is:
Beware Macademias in white nighties! :-)
---Donna2277 on 10/7/06


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11/2004 Utah:
But his overarching message that Jesus Christ is the answer to the longing in all human hearts was one that resonated with both evangelical Christians and Mormons,including about 700 who watched from a video monitor after the Tabernacle filled up.

Sisters Sylvia and Liz Wilcox,who are LDS,said they were impressed with Zacharias'message.

"It was beautiful,"said Liz Wilcox. "I loved the focus on the unity.They did a beautiful job of finding common ground."
---kathr4453 on 10/6/06


Margie writes:
The same man from the counter cult group spoke up Saturday night came to the microphone said he understood how this man felt as he lost his mother before she repented from Mormonism and he understood the loss and knew what this meant for his mother's place in eternity. Ravi was incensed with the man's crassness and insensitivity to the other man's situation and he responded to him quite firmly.
* The counter CULT group were Christian!
---kathr4453 on 10/6/06


Good Girl!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/6/06


Kathr4453 -- Thanks for this information. I had no idea! Maybe I'll follow up, just out of curiosity, and see what I can find on RZIM. Too bad people can't see that just being a good writer (and a Christian) doesn't make one an authority.
---Donna2277 on 10/6/06


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Donna2277: It's amazing just how many preachers in the pulpet quote CS Lewis. Some take him very seriously. RZIM ministries takes him very seriously. Actually Ravi is considered the CS Lewis of today...The greatest PROPHET of our time.
Scarry! Ravi was invited to Utah November 2004. Everyone thought he was going to do a terriffic job defending th Gospel. They were sadly mistaken.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/06


It's quite likely that C.S. Lewis didn't believe in a literal fiery Hell. He did not take all the Bible literally (though,I believe, he understood the atonement and was truly born again). I don't know why He is always taken so seriously! The Great Divorce is a fantasy, not a doctrinal statement on Hell. It's an imaginative, even humorous, tale of sinful selfish man eternally coping with complications of their own sins. It says much more about the nature of mankind than the nature of Hell.
---Donna2277 on 10/5/06


Again, C.S. Lewis was a writer, NOT a theologian. His intent was NOT to teach doctrine. He is interesting because he converted to Christianity later in his adult life and entertained questions many Christians brought up in the faith don't think of, or at least, do not ask. He was a creative person whose thoughts are his own. I had NO IDEA that his works were ever taken as a doctrinal statement, instead of just being enjoyed for their thought provoking ideas and insights into human nature.
---Donna2277 on 10/5/06


Donna2277: The problem with CS Lewis is that he is so beloved by the Mormons. They have a special group honoring his works. Now he must not have had much to say clearly concerning Christianity, that even they couldn't tell the difference and objected. I find that really disturbing!
---kathr4453 on 10/5/06


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C.S.Lewis believed in prayers for the dead. In Letters to Malcolm, he wrote, Of course I pray for the dead. The action is so spontaneous, so all but inevitable, that only the most compulsive theological case against it would deter men. And I hardly know how the rest of my prayers would survive if those for the dead were forbidden (p. 109). He believed in purgatory.
---kathr4453 on 10/5/06


Donna2277:In April 1998 Mormon professor Robert Millet spoke at Wheaton College on the topic of C.S. Lewis. In the latest issue of Christianity Today Millet, dean of Brigham Young University, is quoted as saying that C.S. Lewis "is so well received by Latter-day Saints [Mormons] because of his broad and inclusive vision of Christianity" (John W. Kennedy, "Southern Baptists Take Up the Mormon Challenge," Christianity Today, June 15, 1998, p. 30)

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---kathr4453 on 10/5/06


Donna2277:C.S. Lewis believed in purgatory and denied the biblical doctrine of an eternal fiery hell, claiming, instead, that hell is a state of mind: "And every state of mind, left to itself, every shutting up of the creature within the dungeon of its own mind--is, in the end, Hell" (Lewis, The Great Divorce, p. 65).
---kathr4453 on 10/5/06


Donna2277:
`Dr. W. Wesley Shrader of the First Baptist Church of Lewisburg, Pennsylvania... wrote a letter to the editor in Christianity Today for February 28, 1964 (pp.34-35) in which he stated: 'C.S. Lewis... would never embrace the (literal-infallible) view of the Bible.
He rejected the "substitutionary theory" of the Atonement'" (F.B.F. News Bulletin, Fundamental Baptist Fellowship, March 4, 1984).
---kathr4453 on 10/5/06


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Kathy,
Oh, I get it now, hehe, no wonder I couldn't find any info. regarding a group of people called the macadamias (duh!) Obviously, I'm not in any danger of getting involved with an intellectual crowd. LOL
---Tbabe on 10/5/06


Just out of curiosity, what are the objections to C.S. Lewis? Chronicals of Narnia is but one of his writings, a fantasy and an allegory. I've enjoyed many of his books e.g. Mere Christianity and The Problem of Pain. Screwtape Letters is fictional but very insightful for Christians about the devices of the enemy. C.S. Lewis wasn't a theologian. He didn't establish any "group", but he was a Christian and a good writer.
---Donna2277 on 10/4/06


Tbabe: That is just my expression for the intellectual crowd. I was referring to a book by Ravi Zacharias. He quotes them in one of his books, and I guess we were suppose to be really impressed at the depth of it all. I rather chuckled reading it. Moody Blues was into LSD. Much of their music was written probably when they were on one of those trips, you know, those days when they thought they could talk to God!
I call Mac's those in the academia crowd! IQing their way to heaven!
---kathr4453 on 10/3/06


There's so many counterfeits out there, I regularly pray that I not be caught up in a lie, and the more I study the Truth (The Word of God) the easier it is to spot the frauds. I apologize if I came off sounding like I was defending NVP; it's been more than 20 years since I read his book, and I've learned a lot since then. I'm sure if I were to read it now, I would be able to discern the "red flags." However, because of you have pointed this out, there's no need to waste my time.
---Tbabe on 10/3/06


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RE: C.S. Lewis...Years ago some Pentecostal friends of mine had told me what a wonderful Christian book series his "Chronicles of Narnia" was, however others said that it was new-age, and my Mom didn't like the apparent "magic" connotations so I never bothered to read it, but when the movie came out, I was curious, so I rented it. Yep, new-age and magic, such a mockery!
---Tbabe on 10/3/06


Kathr4453,
Beware the macadamias? What?! I love macadamias! especially when they're covered in chocolate. Just messin' with ya. ;-) Seriously though, I've heard the song "Knights in White Satin" by the Moody Blues, but never correlated it with anything (never was a fan of the group.) Honestly, I've never heard of the "macadamias" as you referred to them. Are they a bunch of nuts too?
---Tbabe on 10/3/06


Main difference between "Word-of-Faith" and "Power of Positive Thinking":
WOF believes you can claim what GOD promises
(or what they believe He has promised) by SPEAKING it. Peale believed you can have anything YOU want by THINKING it.
---Donna_Smith2277 on 9/20/06


I read The power of Positive Thinking ( and some of an unrecalled sequel) in the 50's
Peale was a liberal theologian, a universalist, believing that everyone is going to heaven as long as they believe in god, any god. He taught good works and self-improvement. He was a 33rd degree Mason (the highest degree possible, not attainable by most Masons). Needless to say, he was not popular with the "born-again" crowd. Robert Schueller claims to be his protege.
---Donna2277 on 9/20/06


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Tbabe:#3
It's nothing more than: Gnostics, Gnosticism
Main Entry: gnosis
Pronunciation: 'nO-s&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek gnOsis, literally, knowledge, from gignOskein
: esoteric knowledge of spiritual truth held by the ancient Gnostics to be essential to salvation.
---kathr4453 on 9/20/06


Tbabe: #2
Beware of the macadamias, who would like you to believe they belong to the 1st Corinthians Chapter 2 Club, (if it were possible), trying to convince you through the words of Moody Blues, (as they were taking their trips to have conversations with God at night in their white satin nities!) that there is something of Spiritual value and edification. "Please dont go". ooo!! .. !aaa!
---kathr4453 on 9/20/06


Tbabe: Another one you may find interesting. Mormon and C.S. Lewis. I think it's become so invasive, we don't know the half of it. He's been around for a long long time. Many love C.S. Lewis: Mormons, Catholics, Protestants,etc.

A whole lotta high and lofty thinking, that seem to tickle the minds of many. Ravi Zacharias, loves C.S. Lewis, received by the Mormon Church November 2004, calling those who asked pointed questions annoying. Margie Zacharias has on-line a 5 page fax. A must read.
---kathr4453 on 9/19/06


Kathr4453,
I just did some research on NVP.
I Google searched his name and Spencer W. Kimball together; and came upon a site "Watchman Expositor"
WHOA!! I'm absolutely stunned!
I'm fairly knowledgeable about the Mormons and S.W.K. I grew up in Utah, and have done much study on the LDS, but had no idea about NVP and his connections until now.
You are right; and THANK YOU for the reprimand!
---Tbabe on 9/19/06


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Tbabe: It's the Power of the Cross
The Power of His resurrection
The Power of the Holy Spirit
No longer I but Christ in me, (nothing of myself).
By that Power we are being changed from Glory to Glory.
No human mind could ever do such things!
Revelations says over and over. The Power of GOD!
---kathr4453 on 9/15/06


tbabe: The Gospel is for all. Just wanted to clarify that part. Once you are Born Again, God, in His perfect plan for your life, will walk with you, through His word, and may use scripture that is just for you, for a specific time or need. Those are just for you. Many, like "The Prayer of Jezreel" have taken a sacred moment that may have been meant for them, and have made a religion out of it, and money off it to.
Bad to the Bone!!
---kathr4453 on 9/15/06


tbabe: Bible Bingo is this.
God told Abraham He would give him a son. Abraham didn't ask for one and then get it. Abraham didn't "faith" one into being. Abraham believed what God first has told him. We have to be careful we don't just pick out scriptures and positively faith them into being. If it's what God has specifically said to you, that is the LIVING Word.
Example: Many women who can't have children, can't claim a verse and make it happen. This is what Word Faith is. It's dangerous.
---kathr4453 on 9/15/06


tbabe: We are being conformed to the Image of Jesus Christ. It's the Power of God and the "Power of the Cross" ONLY that can do that.
What you are referring to is: Faith. Believing what God said is TRUE. There is a difference. Only the Lord can clarify that for you.
We don't play Bible Bingo either, just pick a verse and positively think it will come to pass. Many a foolish person has drown with that one.
---kathr4453 on 9/15/06


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3)...However, the concept of "positive thinking" is originally God's idea and should be applied as instructed in the passages which I quoted previously. Satan has no original ideas of his own, has counterfeited the concept of "positive thinking" and made a religion out of it. We should reject the counterfeit... not the real thing.
BTW... Hebrews chap. 11 is one of my favs. My faith is in God, not in faith itself.
---Tbabe on 9/14/06


2)...There's been times when I've wanted to read it again and share it with my husband and children, but for one reason or another, haven't been able to obtain a copy of it, which isnt a big deal, we have the Bible. All we need is Jesus, who IS "The Word" (John 1:1-14.)
Until reading your replies, I thought that NVP was Born Again, and had the impression that he had been promoting The Word; so, thanks for the "heads-up."
---Tbabe on 9/14/06


Kathr4453,
1)...Yes, I understand what you are saying.
I wasn't trying to be divisive; and was just expressing my personal experience (not promoting NVP.)
It's been more than 20 years since I read "The Power of Positive Thinking," I was much younger and naive at that time, and all I remember about it is that it pointed to scriptures that were comforting to me, and I was drawn further into the Word of God.
---Tbabe on 9/14/06


The Word Faith Movement(positive faith) also use this concept. They believe that faith is in faith. They say: God by faith created the world:
But Hebrews11 says:
3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed """"by the word of God""""", so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
SEE THE DIFFERENCE!!
---kathr4453 on 9/14/06


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Alan8869ofUK - As I have already stated, and I do not retract it -- Positive thinking is nowhere in God's Word. It is purely a self-help thing and many cults use it. We do not end up with a positive thinking mind, but the mind of Christ. Bless you.
---Helen_5378 on 9/14/06


tbabe: those things you mentioned, pure etc, are actually Jesus Himself. Now, I don't think that is what The power of Positive thinking is all about! It's funny how satan just loves to take the human unregenerate mind and give permission to Positively think any way they choose! As long as it's positive of coarse.
Satan positively hates Jesus...so now what?
NVP was not Born Again. He believed you could positively think your way into heaven!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/14/06


Helen, you say "Positive thinking is nowhere to be found in Scripture. It is purely a self-help thing which goes directly against the finished work of Christ on the Cross"
I accept that Positve Thinking as a starting point is not in the scriptures, but surely Faith leads to, and indeed is, positive thinking?
Note carefully my use of upper & lower case.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/14/06


Kathr4453 - Zig Ziglar's books are also used in Amway, along with those of Norman Vincent Peale. They are self-help and not of God. I think I may have one of Ziglar's books still, and also Peale's one too. They often use Scripture, but that does not mean a thing if it is twisted and distorted to destruction.
---Helen_5378 on 9/14/06


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4)...However, Kathr4453, your reply is interesting...I didn't know of this; I'm going to look into it.
---Tbabe on 9/13/06


3)..."And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."
(Romans 12:2)
---Tbabe on 9/13/06


2)...The concept of "positive thinking" is, in fact, found in scripture....
"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
(Philippians 4:8)
---Tbabe on 9/13/06


1)...I read "The Power of Positive Thinking" when I was a teenager, and was very encouraged by it through some depression. I could be wrong, but I don't recall there being any "new age" connotations in the book. Shortly after reading it, though, I watched Dr. Robert H. Schuller on TV. He preached on "positive thinking" as well. I quit watching his show, "The Hour of Power," because there seemed to be a lot of "new-age" teaching.
---Tbabe on 9/13/06


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*Peale was a 33rd degree Mason (Christian Information Bureau Bulletin,December 1986).Peale wrote in the Masonic Magazine, New Age,concerning his involvement, "Men of different religions meet in fellowship and brotherhood under the fatherhood of God." Peale also demonstrates that he is much more in alignment with the New Age Movement and its accompanying belief categories, than he is in Christianity.
Peale first became suspect when he consistently began endorsing New Age/Occultic writers.*
---kathr4453 on 9/13/06


NVP,was a universalist,he believes that everyone is going to heaven if they believe in a god, and have some redeeming value, which is just about everyone. This is evidenced by several situations documented in Peale's life.
On March 28,1980, Dr. Peale was the featured speaker at an 85th birthday dinner honoring Mormon prophet speaker Spencer W. Kimball. The official Mormon newspaper reported that Brigham Young University bestowed an honorary degree on Dr. Peale(Church News, February 9, 1980, p. 11).
---kathr4453 on 9/13/06


Mrs. Williams - Positive thinking is nowhere to be found in Scripture. It is purely a self-help thing which goes directly against the finished work of Christ on the Cross.
---Helen_5378 on 9/13/06


Mrs. Williams, Zig Ziggler also uses NVP's teachings.
We have the mind of Christ through His Word. The Power then is in the Holy Spirit, not our own.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/06


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To those of you who are criticizing Dr. Peale's beliefs and dubbing him a heretic, have you read any of his writings at length or are you making your judgments based on reading a few passages? I have read much of his writings over the years, and he most certainly was a born-again believer who based his teachings on God's Word and leading a Christ-centered life. What is "un-Christian" about positive thinking? I don't think Christ would want His followers to be walking around depressed.
---Mrs._Williams on 9/13/06


Helen: great point!
But that is what New Age is all about, being your own god. I think he was the father of the New Age movenment in the Christian church. I may be wrong, but several that have followed in his footsteps, seem to be New Agers!
Would that possibly include Rick Warren too???
There are many who think so.
BEWARE!!
---kathr4453 on 9/10/06


In fact he wrote 2 books, The power of positive thinkin, and a slighlty rarer one. The power of positive prayer.
---mike8384 on 9/10/06


I think I had that book when I was with Amway - not sure. However, the title is a dead give-away. Positive thinking is not Biblical, and there are some of the false teachers today who promote that kind of self-help. Well, if you can help yourself, then why did Jesus die on the Cross?
---Helen_5378 on 9/10/06


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