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What's the difference in a Roman Catholic and a born again Christian?

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God is one. In the bible you will not Find anywhere in the bible that God is three,two but he is One. The Father,Spirit, and the Holy ghost are referring to the Same God i worship. HE is one and has only been one.
---vanessa on 12/7/10


i posted this blog over a year ago,i was just wondering has it helped anybody?
---jamea5375 on 12/30/07


#2 Nice try but I'm not buying. If you want unity based on externals under a Nicolatian 501-c3 corporate umbrella, by your logic you should join the Mormons.

p.s. LaLupe - It is called earnestly contending for the faith once delivered unto the saints. If you believe Rome is this faith then you have either not studied it or simply do not understand the gospel and how Rome denies it at every turn. As far as you question about "born-again" believers, this is most troubling.
---ShaunT on 12/17/07


Jack8773:Catholic means one Universal, one Flock under one Visible head as stated in His word matt16:17-19, the rest are counterfeit, not in appearance but in Gods teaching.They are the true followers.Sorry to disagree or burst your Bubble.
---Emcee on 12/17/07


.greyrider, you speak falsehood, for a catholic is no more a Christian, then a Roman is a Jew or an idolater a worshipper of God.
---Eloy on 12/17/07




Catherine::Did not Jesus leave us with this command Love one another.What did He mean by that word LOVE.What does Real True love incorporate RESPECT upholding of Dignity,Equality.sharing,exchanging a pledge.If God is with you would not those qualities present themselves?His word was "He who eats of me I live in him & he in Me."Sorry you did not understand.
---Emcee on 12/17/07


.greyrider, Do not be deceived, catholicism is not Christianity, never has been and never was and never will be. Catholics worship different gods, rather than Christ.
---Eloy on 12/17/07


Why do Christians i.e. Evangelicals, Baptist, Protestants and others think that they are the only "Christians"? Again, just becuase we disagree on certain things, doesnt make me less of a Christian. The one Chruch Jesus left us is the church that preaches His Gospel, He didnt say just the Protestant church or just the Catholic church. I agree, Catholics are Christian first then Catholics. Have "born again Christian" hijacked Christianity for themselves and no one else?
---LaLupe on 12/17/07


Roman Catholics are Christians first and Catholics second. That merely describes which Christian beliefs.

Shaun, congratulations, you're the first person in the last 20 years to question there are 35,000 denominations. No one else does.

Romans killed people for joining the Catholic Church.

I don't even use beads when asking Jesus' mother to pray for me. The RCC is against praying TO Mary.
---Greyrider on 12/17/07


Also, Jesus was God in the flesh. All should agree on that. That is why we call her our mother as well. It is fairly simple and when understood, means something completely different from the term "worship". We worship God. We worship Jesus. We love Mary. (Do you worship your biological mother and father? Of course not)

2) We do not view the saints as gods. We pray that the saints intercede for us. The simplest explanation being a petition.
---Justin on 12/17/07




Protestants believe in collective prayer being more powerful than a single prayer. When the entire congregation prays for someone, this is directly congruent to praying that the saints pray for us as well.
---Justin on 12/17/07


There are alot of EXTREME misconceptions of the Catholic faith and tradition that I have read in this forum that I would like to clear up.

1) Catholics do not "worship" Mary. Mary was chosen by God to bear His son. Clearly, she is held in high regard. Her struggles were obviously incomprehensible seeing as how no one on earth would believe she bore the child of God. She is the Mother of Jesus, who became man, died, and ascended from the grave to live within each and every one of us.
---Justin on 12/17/07


Emcee bless your heart, but I failed to understand. How about this one: It is impossible to love unless Jesus Christ lives in you. And this is why there is so little love in this world. I lovc the answers God gives better. Have a good day, my friend.
---catherine on 12/17/07


Steve, you said Catholic was the only church. The modernday Catholic denomination was created by Romans, not Christ. The 1st commandment says, "I am the Lord God, there will be no other Gods before me." The catholics disobey this by praying to saints instead of God himself in Jesus name. Also, the bible says, "It is better to take refuge in the Lord, than to trust in man." (Psalms 118:8) Saints did awesome things, I honor them. I don't trust in them.
In Christ.
Debbie
---Debbie on 12/17/07


Georgina: "Who am I to judge."

Who are you NOT to judge. Like most Christians, they have the wrong idea about judging. I suggest studying up on judging to find the truth.
---Steveng on 12/16/07


Even at nine years old I knew the differences between Christians and Catholics. That's what got my sister and I kicked out of a Catholic school and ultimately out of the RCC neighborhood.
---Steveng on 12/16/07


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I always thought of a Catholic as a Christian, no different than myself, If they would just shove Mary off to the small side of the stained glass window, and never mention her name again as long as they lived, I'd see no problem. Oh, and BREAK THOSE BEADS, and make some earrings with them, and Start to honor JESUS, instead of praying to the dead, stop twisting scriptures, to manipulate men into utter foolishness, then you should have a full fledged Christian.
---Whisper on 12/16/07


Greyrider - 35,000 denominations. Please, give the facts and not your vain straw-man arguments that have been totally disproven. And yhy don't you apply the same criteria for Rome? Because if you did you would have to humbly admit that there are hundreds if not thousands of sects/denominations/divisions within Catholicism! But that will cause a problem for your straw-man argument. Anyone who want to study this out for themselves and search on "30000 denominations" - do your research people.
---ShaunT on 12/16/07


#2 Plus, your unity in Rome is paper thin and fleshly. All because a group of people go to a Catholic building for an hour a week and you tout this as unity in the faith. Oh my how blind we can be.
---Shaunt on 12/16/07


To others of you who favor name calling ("helley") as favorite weapons, recall your childhood. Wasn't that a favorite ploy then, too, when children didn't get their own way? Could it be just the right time to grow a little, close mouths, and open ears and hearts to some of your favorite targets here with Christs' compassion?
May God, the Source of all, richly bless you with just what you need most!
---Mel on 12/16/07


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Dearest Brethren in Yahshuah Jesus the Messiach, please take a moment to step back and read each others posts with a merciful and gracious outlook. It seems to this old follower of Christ that many of you truly do trust in, rely on, and cling to the Only Begotten Son of the Living God. Revel in that fact. Rally around that fact. Then listen to each other and search the complete scripture daily to see if what you have heard is according to the Truth.
---Mel on 12/16/07


emcee, We are commanded Not to be unequally yoked together: Love without discernment is disobedience and sin: "If there come any to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither tell him welcome: for he that tells him welcome is partaker of his evil deeds." II John 10,11. Please Read- II Corinthians 6:14-18.
---Eloy on 12/15/07


They live under the old covenant,a material
covenant. Christianity is a new covenant
faith,a spiritual covenant.There are no graven images icons nor statues in the christian faith.It takes more to be a christian than it do any other faith.
If catholics are Christians, why do they call themselves catholics?
I'LL tell you why.Because they hold different principals than christians,
as they all do that call themselves
anything other than Christian.
---Jack_8773 on 12/14/07


La Lupe ::Did not Jesus leave us The HOLY spirit in His church Matt16:17-19 to guide us with His wisdom & Knowledge again matt28:20 do you doubt that?Does not the interpretation by the Holy Spirit still exist?,Or does Man need to make His own Interpretation is Man more intelligent than the Holy Spirit.Mans interpretations caused 35000 divided Denominations.God wanted ONE FLOCK ONE SHEPHERD.
---Emcee on 12/14/07


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Catherine :Jesus said "Love one another as I have loved you "so what is Spiritual love?To love is to care, share, deny yourself, Give in abundance, to cause Happinesss, satisfaction,Bring joy to the lonely Heart & fill to overflowing.Make a solid concrete high way between the Head & the brain,of all you come in contact, with 2 lanes of communication.No spirit there.
---Emcee on 12/14/07


To be honest Roman Catholic and Christian's both believe in GOD. The difference is that Catholic pray to there saints. But honestly my respects to all kinds of religions. Who am I to judge.
---Georgina on 12/14/07


It was first Judaism and from there Christianity can about. Those that were Jews and believed that Christ was the Messiah didnt stop being Jews, i.e. Paul. They still practiced their faith as the O.T. commanded while believing in Christ. We Gentiles didnt have to follow Jewish traditions and therefore were just left with Christianity. Now, like Judaism, we're taking Christianity and separating it into different "sects" becuase we dont agree or dont interpret the Bible the same way.
---LaLupe on 12/14/07


Coincidence: Paul to the Jews "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." Now a days, our Father's name and Glory is questioned by the Atheist because we Christians cant seem to agree on the Word of our Father and the message He is trying to tell us. By the way, before you read you the Word of God, ask Him for His wisdom and undersanding, that way His Words wont be heavy and hard to understand.
---LaLupe on 12/14/07


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Spiritual love is what God referrs to in the Bible. Who can understand that? If you got it, you will know it. It is kinda hard to explain it. This Spiritual Love.
---catherine on 12/14/07


Are you saying that if you are Catholic that you have never been saved? It is so very difficult to believe this. That all Catholics are lost.
---catherine on 12/14/07


Why do we look for differences when we are to be grafted on the same vine..that spirit bears witness with spirit..It is for us to know who we are in Christ Jesus not in man..
---Mary on 12/14/07


One is still Roaming, but the other is in Christ.
---Eloy on 12/14/07


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Are you saved because you believe?

You would say yes.

But how do you know that someone has faith?

Christ said "But now faith, hope, love, abide these three, but the greatest of these is love."
How do you know you love someone?

If love is the greatest of these then to Love is greater than Faith.

The only answer you can come up with is by works. Works is how we know if someone Love's our Lord and whether someone has faith or not.
---Philip on 12/14/07


#2) "I know the Bible is complicated, but just ask the Holy Spirit to guide you" Sounds good, but after almost 500 years of Sola Scriptura, there is more confusion than ever. Is the Holy Spirit meant to guide the individual or the Church? (actually both to some extent) Again, Sola Scriptura has led to 35,000 denominations. If an atheist presented you with these arguments, how would you respond? (Watch your answer, believe me, they are ready for almost anything you would say)
---Greyrider on 12/13/07


#1) Janet brings up a good point. I've witnessed to a lot of atheists. I have had a number of atheists tell me that the Christian God is evil because He threw a complicated book at everyone and said "figure it out for yourself" Then the atheists ask "does God love the illiterate man or woman?" If the Bible were truly simple, everyone would arrive at (generally) the same teachings. There would be 10-20 denominations at best, not 35,000. (BTW, many passages ARE simple, but not all)
---Greyrider on 12/13/07


We are all The Body of Christ but we are not unified in truth which causes scandal to nonbelievers.
---janet on 12/13/07


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La Lupe :: there fore by your2 posts what are your conclusions & Remedy.Since the body of Christ is one where do you find the "TRUE CHURCH"I find it in Matt16:17-19 as it is the only one mentioned in the BIBLE Do You agree???
---Emcee on 12/13/07


Remember, the Holy Spirit resides in US, our body is the temple, as we come together, WE form the church, WE are the Body the Christ. As far as the Pharisees and the Sadducees, they disagreed on the concept of resurrection, angels, and spirits. Also, some followed the Law more strictly than others, "Acts 26:5 ... according to the strictest sect of our religion, I lived as a Pharisee." Which leads me to believe that they disagreed on other things as well.
---LaLupe on 12/13/07


There is only ONE Body of Christ and many man made churches that try to the best of thier ability to teach the Word. We are all sinners, including those that head churches, whether it be Catholic, Evangelical, Baptist, Lutheran, etc... There is no ONE church that we can say "that's the ONE". The Body of Christ, us His followers, should try to better our respective churches instead of nit-picking on our neighbor's church. All this for the edification of the ONE Body of Christ.
---LaLupe on 12/13/07


LA Lupe::The jews argued with Jesus who was the Messiah.There is a difference & no comparison.The WORD is the truth.He (Jesus) was the WORD,in the gospels.He established ONE Church Do you agree or Disagree.
---Emcee on 12/12/07


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Lalupe - You make a good point. As we debate the issues, it should remain a situation where people are trying to come together to work toward the Truth and the edification of the Body of Christ. It should never degenerate into an attack, or an "us vs them" confrontation. I sincerely hope that all who post here can hold a reunion in heaven one day.
---Greyrider on 12/12/07


Can Christ's body have different beliefs and teachings? Why are there many different beliefs among the 30,000+ denomintations thru out the world? That's why it is necessary for there to be a head of the church to settle disputes on doctrine and he must be infallible on matters of faith and morals as the Holy Father is.
---janet on 12/12/07


Its funny, you people argue Christianity just like the Pharisees and the Sadducees argued the Jewish faith.
---LaLupe on 12/12/07


I had never heard Peter referred to as the successor to Christ. Jesus establishes Peter and his successors as the Head of the Church and gives him the keys to the kingdom of heaven and the power to bind and loose. You can't argue with them(Protestants) because they dont have a full understanding of church history. They have also been filled with misconceptions about the Catholic Church and its teachings.
---janet on 12/12/07


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Don - Ignatius of Antioch used the term "Catholic Church" in his writngs around 90AD. And if you read it in context, he was not trying to introduce a new term. He used it in passing as if it was already an old, established title for Christ's followers.
---Greyrider on 12/12/07


Holly, Please keep one thing in mind. The American perception of the RCC goes back to the best selling book "Roman Catholicism" written in 1962 by a nutcase. Even if you've never read it, others who have continue to spread its lies. It is almost impossible to get through to people what we really believe. I've noticed that Catholics post real RCC teachings here and many people knee-jerk respond, not to the actual posts but to the long-held misperceptions of the RCC's teachings.
---Greyrider on 12/12/07


Janet:: Maybe the word successor,in your eyes is inappropriate. But the Vicar of Christ was given to Peter matt16:17-19. Jesus the ALL knowing God reaches back into ancient History Isiah22,when conferring this office stating His Authority.Peter was no God as you are suggesting, but He is handed a responsibility BY God THE KING as JESUS the man in fulfilment of the scriptures.
---Emcee on 12/12/07


I'm sorry Emcee...but my Bible says I am in the right camp. Of course if I added the Pope's interpretations or the doctrines of the Catholic church unto my Bible...then I can see how you ended up in the camp you are in. The one that is not based purely on God's Word, but on man-made teachings and ideas. I am not fighting God at all, I am all for Jesus Christ of Nazareth, but I am for the Jesus of the Bible, not the Catholic church's version.
---Holly4jc on 12/11/07


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Emcee,
Peter is not the successor to Jesus. Who told you that? All the subsequent Popes after Peter are successors to Peter, but Peter is not the successor to Jesus. Peter is the visible head of The Church ON EARTH.
---janet on 12/11/07


There is no difference for the Lord is no respector of persons and to say catholic is the true church is to spit on the faces of those who have gone before us who were in prison cells waiting to die for the cause of Christ and these are called "christians". There was no pope to kiss his hand but there is the cross to bow before in servanthood to the one who gives eternal life.
---Maryjane_Harper on 12/11/07


The name catholic was never attached to the Lord's followers. Christians are those who bear the name of Jesus who have accepted the free gift of salvation purchased by precious blood that flows free for all men. To love Him and to know his word and apply it to your life as it is life. This is not catholic nor denomination, but called christian and the ones called christian will die for the cause of Christ.
---Don on 12/11/07


Holly why do you fight the God who loves you & whom you profess to love.I am sure you have read the posts on Peter who was proclaimed the successor to Jesus.You are in the wrong Camp.Prove your love by action Satan hides behind HALF truths.
---Emcee on 12/11/07


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The Catholic Church is the only real church. All the other denominations are assemblies. The Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ which is why he probably referred to it as "she".
---jjaent on 12/11/07


Jesus is universal...we as children of God worship and serve Him. All who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.Romans 10:13

Catholics who are Christians, and all denominations of Christians
---lisa on 12/11/07


Steve wrote: I don't believe in denominations either,that"s why I'm Catholic. She gave us the New Testament.

Steve...who is SHE? God is NOT a she. And Catholic IS a denomination. And if you are going to try and tell me that the church is a "she"...well that is not biblical. The church is comprised of the true believers whether they be male or female, Greek or Jew, slave or free, etc. The "church" is not a building or denomination, it is the "Body of Christ".
---Holly4jc on 12/11/07


Holly4jc >> I don't believe in denominations either,that"s why I'm Catholic. She gave us the New Testament.
Jesus founded the Catholic Church,and it's the only Church He left us.
Still, I'm glad you're a christian.
If God fails to uphold the Catholic Church then Christianity is a lie.
---steve on 12/6/07


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Holly :: You do not attach yourself to any denomination,yet you serve Jesus, but also state the fact that you go to church! if so which denomination?,as by your action you are not true to your belief as you attend SOME church in which you do not believe or have affiliation to!!.Surely you are not ashamed to say which church?
---Emcee on 12/6/07


1) Emcee...I do not believe in denominations, God did not create them, they are man-made...therefore I am non-denominational and do not consider myself part of any particular denomination. I am a member of the body of Christ, Jesus's true believers. There are things I agree with and disagree with in ALL denominations. That does not mean I do not go to church. I go to church, have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, been water baptized, baptized and filled...
---Holly4jc on 12/5/07


2) ...with the Holy Spirit and so on. I do not sit in my little corner in my house and have a one-woman show going on as you like to portray. I am fully involved with the Body of Christ and belong 100% to Jesus Christ of Nazareth, He is my Lord and my King. I do not ascribe to your thinking that Peter was the first pope...I DO believe that Jesus is the rock, the chief cornerstone, on which God the Father built HIS CHURCH...not Peter and I will not insult Jesus by believing or confessing anything else.
---Holly4jc on 12/5/07


Steve, this is a classic case. Your priest appears to be a holy man of God who is a terrible communicator. I know what he's trying to say. Jesus' death at Calvary, of which the Mass is a re-presentation (not a re-crucifixion) pays for ALL sin. He left out that we should seek to reclaim a state of grace thru reconciliation BEFORE going back to Mass. But once we do that, Jesus welcomes ALL repentant sinners. Your priest really needs to watch his wording. I'll pray for him. He's got a tough job.
---Greyrider on 12/5/07


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Greyrider >> Since the Mass is a truly propitiatory sacrifice, covering even the worst sins,and since the priest behind the Altar only lends his hands and voice to Jesus(the High Priest),then it is Jesus who invites us to Commune. If then the local priest at RCIA says it is sacrilege to Commune when in a state of mortal sin,which he did,then he is accusing Jesus of inviting us to commit sacrilege. He ignores the fact that at the memorial prayer we were reconcilled to God(CCC 1354).
---steve on 12/5/07


Greyrider >> The priest at our parish was Ratzinger's english correspondence secretary in Rome when Ratzinger was Prefect for the Doctrine of the Faith,he is no renegade. When I pointed out to him Trent XXII he said, mortal sin automatically excommunicates you, it is sacrilege to eat Holy Communion in a state of mortal sin. Trent XXII says Jesus left us the Sacrifice of the Mass to be a Propitiation for our sins,however grave.
---steve on 12/5/07


Steve, more specifically, what do you mean by "The Church say this is sacrilege. The Church accuses Jesus of leading me into sacrilege." ?? I read Trent XXII chapter 2 and see nothing wrong with it. Or did a renegade priest or parish teach his/its own heretical doctrine to you? Is that what you're trying to say?
---Greyrider on 12/5/07


Steve, what I meant was that I am a Roman Catholic and that my church, meaning the Vatican, still teaches those same teachings. I always use the term Roman Catholic because I also use the term "American Catholic" as an accusation against so-called Catholics in America who teach their own false doctrines, much like in your RCIA class. (Tell the bishop) Things are bad with the RCC in America, but they're better than they were 20 years ago.
---Greyrider on 12/5/07


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Greyrider >> You said you go to a Church that teaches what the Apostles taught. I beg to differ. The Apostles taught that the Cross and the Sacrifice of the Mass is and should be considered one and the same Sacrifice which is a truly propitatory offering, appeasing God of his anger for even the Gravest sins. That is not what they teach at RCIA class.
---steve on 12/5/07


eric >> Paul runs to recieve an imperishable crown and has this always in mind: "Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you, depart from me, you evildoers.'
---steve on 12/5/07


Holly:This was not an accusation, it was an affirmation of what you stated .You do not belong to any denomination.If so, you annoint yourself "Those who are not with me are against me"I do not walk on thin or even glacial ice. I walk on TRUTH with rock bottom foundation as In Matt16:17-19.You may change your declaration!.
---Emcee on 12/5/07


Steve - you completely lost me. I apologize, but I have no clue what you're trying to say.
---Greyrider on 12/5/07


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Greyrider >> I beg to differ. The Apostles taught Mass is rightly offered for even the Gravest Sins. Read the Council of Trent session XXII chap.2. There is one Jesus,one Cross,one Sacrifice of the Mass. Trent XXII ordered this to be preached. Jesus invites us to Eat and Drink(CCC 1383),even the contrite and penitent Mortal sinner. The Church say this is sacrilege. The Church accuses Jesus of leading me into sacrilege. They stand behind the Altar in persona Christi and in RCIA class in persona Serpent.
---steve on 12/5/07


To "Steve", in 1 Corinthian 9:27, Paul is NOT talking about losing his Salvation! No, in defending himself in the presence of false teaching, he is saying that he fears losing the 'right' to Preach the Gospel. Make sure you know the WHOLE of Scripture before you 'share' with others. He is speaking to a Church in Corinth that is failing upon itself with differing doctrine, kinda like here!
---Eric on 12/5/07


And, to everyone else, please read Matthew 18. Starting at verse 2, Jesus warns against 'causing children to sin'. If we're not careful, when 'arguing' doctrine we are doing just that. He is not speaking in terms of age, but in terms of Spiritual Childness-taking 'milk'. So if, during our debate, we cause 1 child to stumble, we have sinned!
---Eric on 12/5/07


emcee >> Unless Holly4jc baptised herself,then she is a Christian same as anybody else.
---steve on 12/5/07


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Emcee...you are walking on thin ice with your accusations...the bible says: Psalm 105:15 Saying, Do not touch My anointed ones, And do My prophets no harm.

Accusing me of NOT being a Christian is not something that would please the Lord. Just because I do not belong to your denomination, does not negate my Christianity nor the fact that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is my personal Lord and Savior.
---Holly4jc on 12/4/07


Holly4jc >> It's does not say: the holy Catholic church. What it say is: the holy catholic Church. Major difference."John said to him, "Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he was not following us." But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me."
---steve on 12/4/07


There is only One Jesus.
Either you believe in Him or you don't.
I am Catholic and I Trust in Jesus!
He is the way , the door, the Truth and the Life.
Every Catholic knows that.
---Lisa on 12/4/07


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