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What Do Churches Do On Sunday

What do main stream christian churches do on the Sunday apart from attending church? What is their sabbath rules and laws according to the Bible?

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"they will guide into all of ellens false prophecies."

At the EGW Estate they have a section entitled: "Issues & Answers Regarding Inspiration and the Life and Work of Ellen G. White" where they dealing with most if not all of the wild claims made against EGW.
---djconklin on 9/7/07


"The Bible says to let no man judge you re a Sabbath,new moon..et al."

Jesus didn't say anything of the sort. You are thinking of Col. 2:16-7 which I have shown is talking about ceremonail sabbaths (the Day of Atonement and blowing of trumpets). Use Yahoo and search of Conklin Col. 2:16-7 and you'll find the results of a 3 year intensive study.
---djconklin on 9/7/07


We meet as we should to love on one another, praise and worship God, pray. We do what a regular family does. Someone needs to be saved,need healing, some type personal assistance, that is given.Talk over church business, learn more about God and read the bible. May share a snack or meal together. Some Sundays we do Communion and baptisms. A lot of activities goes on.
---Robyn on 9/7/07


just google mark of the beast ellen white
- they will guide into all of ellens false prophecies.
Maybe you'd rather follow a lie -
---Andrea on 9/7/07


Paul wrote to "not forsake the assembly as some have" and that is about it under the Nev Covenent. Remember that Jesus HATED legalism. The Bible says to let no man judge you re a Sabbath,new moon..et al..This blog is out of hand and has become an issue of personality conflict. So I think. Let us love each other and accept that Jesus is Lord of Sabbath. Notice that the Churches are a MESS and simply pray against apostacy of our brothers and sisters. In Jesus Name,Amen.
---jody_martin on 9/7/07




"Ellen White taught that if your in church on Sunday worshiping Jesus Christ the beast will stamp 666 on you and you go to hell"

No she didn't--and the fact that you didn't show where tells us that. You were lied to and simply repeated what you were told--stop listening to the liars and read your Bible.
---djconklin on 9/7/07


SDA teaches bondage to the old covenant
Jesus came to give us freedom - the Israel had a chance to be holy and they couldn't do it. Neither can all the adventists churches. i know bc Jesus said so and Paul taught it.
Ellen White taught that if your in church on Sunday worshiping Jesus Christ the beast will stamp 666 on you and you go to hell

imagine for worshiping Jesus - is that nuts!
---Andrea on 9/6/07


Emcee - *I have Mat16,17-19 & Jesus's confirmation*

All you really have is your biased interpretation.

Historical the verses had other meanings from what the Roman catholic church held in bid for supremacy over other churches.

In fact, even St. Augustine stated there were other interpretations and he supposenly was a member of your magisterium? correct?
---Lee on 9/6/07


Well Lee, with your knowledge,
You have your choice, including historical facts. I have Mat16;17-19& Jesus's confirmation All is a small word but its meaning is limitless & covers ALL doctrines plus the assurance "I shall be with you (again)ALways till the end of the world."Who am I to argue with "Lord help my unbelief"?
---Emcee on 11/27/06


Emcee - the institutional church of the prevous centuries is not the same as what we had in the first century, particularly the Roman catholic that has added more and more doctrines and practices not supported by scripture, indeed some which exploited people.
---lee1538 on 11/27/06




"Kay Dear":Never ever disagreed, we all know church is a building! but what goes on inside that building is an Institution by Jesus & it is HIS RC Mat16;17-19where ALL His doctrines are followed not just a few.JESUS abides in that institution Never ever disagreed on that too.If we have tobe united into one fold which will happen then WE-HUMANITYmust change accept God on all counts or else suffer separation & perish.would a father let that happen?Even to a wayward child?
---Emcee on 11/27/06


"Kay ::The word of God is as solid as the rock on which He built His church RC."

Emcee, His Church isn't the RC. It isn't a building made with hands. His Church is ALL born-again believers.

"When Jesus sent His apostles to the gentiles& the whole world, The words of His Father stood as firm as the Rock on which He built His church as well."

And that "Rock" is Jesus Christ.
---Kay on 11/27/06


"This has nothing to do with the OT Old covenant & new covenant."

Emcee, Jesus didn't send His apostles out into the world to preach the Mosaic laws. They were sent out to preach salvation through Jesus Christ, which is the New Covenant doctrine. I know that many people don't want to accept it, but Jesus' covenant is not like the covenant that God made with Moses. The New Covenant is a better covenant with better promises (Hebrews 7:22; 8:6).
---Kay on 11/27/06


Emcee, the Sabbath law wasn't a moral law. It was only a ceremonial law given to the nation of Israel as a sign of their deliverance from Egypt and as a sign to them that God had set them apart from other nations. Do you keep the Sabbath laws? Do you pick up sticks on Saturday? Do you cook, clean, or kindle a fire? Do you start the engine of your car on Saturday? If you have done any of these, you are to be stoned to death, according to the Sabbath laws.
---Kay on 11/27/06


Emcee, as a New Testament believer I'm not obligated to observe a law that was never commanded for me to keep. Please do not judge me for not following Jewish customs (Colossians 2:16).
---Kay on 11/27/06


Emcee, why do you insist on bringing up my divorce like this? This is the second time I've felt as though you are using my divorce against me. Again, my husband left me and it wasn't because he didn't want me to attend church. Anyway, the Sabbath laws have nothing to do with going to church. The Israelites were given the Sabbath day as a day of physical rest. It was never intended to be a day of worship.

Take care & I love you! :)
---Kay on 11/27/06


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"Kay Dear::Jesus abolished the ceremonial laws made by man.."

Emcee dear, according to Jesus and the apostles, the entire Old Covenant was abolished by the death of Jesus Christ. The Old Covenant had to be removed before God could establish the New Covenant (Hebr 10:9,10).We cannot be under two covenants at the same time. I would also like to add that the ceremonial laws were given to Moses by God, not by man.
---Kay on 11/27/06


Jesus said that He came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. In other words, He didn't come to stand against the law, or to illegally render it void. He came to fulfill it, complete it, carry it through up until His death, according to the will of His Father. The OC wasn't to pass away UNTIL it was completely fulfilled by Christ. The death of Jesus marked the end of the old covenant and the beginning of the new covenant. So the OC has become obsolete with the establishment of the NC.
---Kay on 11/27/06


Emcee - one of the church fathers (and supposely a member of the magisterium), a guy named Augustine of Hippo, stated that an alternative interpretation of Mt. 16:18 was that the confession that Jesus was the Christ, the son of the living God, was the Rock; not Peter, and that the church was built upon that confession, not upon Peter the person. Rome to serve its own vested interest has decreed the interpretation you hold.
---lee on 11/26/06


Kay ::The word of God is as solid as the rock on which He built His church RC. When Jesus sent His apostles to the gentiles& the whole world, The words of His Father stood as firm as the Rock on which He built His church as well.This has nothing to do with the OT Old covenant & new covenant.The penalty of Mortal sin is emminent, if you disobey "Keep Holy the Sabbath day."Amazing you divorced because your ex did not permit to go to church & now you are like him kicking against the same goad.
---Emcee on 11/26/06


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Kay Dear::Jesus abolished the ceremonial laws made by man in the interim period when God gave the Commandments (these were the Moral code of Ethics & are still in vogue,)& the advent of Christ among His people.If you consider the 10C 4pertain to God & the rest 6 to our Neighbour.This is why Jesus said Love one another as I have loved you I came not to abolish the old law (His Fathers 10C)but to fulfill them.This is what the RCC teaches till this day.My final submission.
---Emcee on 11/26/06


Emcee, I've never denied that Jesus and the Father are One. But what you and a few others are missing is that the covenant that God made with Christians through Jesus is not the same covenant that God made with Israel through Moses. The covenant that God made with Israel was to endure until Jesus brought forth His new covenant.Jesus took away that first covenant so that He could bring forth the second covenant,which is a much better covenant.So the law of Christ has replaced the law of Moses.
love ya!
---Kay on 11/26/06


Kay what is the New Covenant commands. can you please explain by the bible please?
---bob on 11/26/06


Kay:Jesus said no one has seen the Father except me -The father & I are one. therefore, it follows that His fathers commandments are His as reiterated in John14:23-24
---Emcee on 11/25/06


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"Kay....Jesus said in the book of John..'IF YOU LOVE ME, OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS." No EGW didnt say that, Jesus our Lord and Savior did."

bob, EXACTLY! Jesus wants His Church to obey HIS commandments. This is what I've been trying to explain for weeks now. Christians are to obey the perfect law of Christ according to what He has commanded in the NC.
---Kay on 11/24/06


"Are you going to deny our Lord's commands????...whose commands do you obey?"

bob, I obey the commands of Jesus Christ.

"seems like the devil.."

How so? Why would the devil encourage NT believers to serve God according to the law of Christ? This is all I've been saying over and over for weeks. God's will for the body of Christ is to follow the New Covenant commands.
---Kay on 11/24/06


Toby - *lee1538 you really believe that man can teach better that scripture*

It is clear that you do not beleive God has called teachers into the ministry.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, {Or the pastorteachers}

Sorry but Yahushua does not condemn those to whom He has called into the ministry of teaching, He only condemns the false teachers He found within the Jewish religious establishment.
---lee1538 on 11/23/06


John 14:15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments."

Boob - if you interpret "commandments" to mean "10 commandments" then you are clearly adding to the word of God in violation of Deut. 4:2.
Guilty, guilty, guilty, are you!

The church is to obey the commandments of our Lord; not those given to Moses under the Old Covenant law (there are over 600 commands or commandments in the OT).
---lee1538 on 11/23/06


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lee1538 you really believe that man can teach better that scripture. which of dozens of scriptures would you like as to what Yahushua says about these teachers, Jn8:44Ye are of your father the devil etc. The ones who are hirelings, the ones who leave there sheep. Oh so many yet you believe man is best. Put you trust not in mortals.
---Toby on 11/23/06


Kay from reading these blogs and others of yours for a while now, I firmly believe that no matter what people, myself included, will show you, you will not change. You have a closed mind, and that is sad. Yahushua clearly says that in the end time knowledge will increase. This is not only worldly knowledge but scriptual knowledge. When things are pointed out all you want to do is argue and belittle.
---Toby on 11/23/06


Kay....Jesus said in the book of John..'IF YOU LOVE ME, OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS." No EGW didnt say that, Jesus our Lord and Savior did. Are you going to deny our Lord's commands????...whose commands do you obey? seems like the devil...
---bob on 11/23/06


Col 2:16: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"

Sorry I wasn't the one who said this :-)
---Okebaram on 11/22/06


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Toby - *What I write I first study in scripture with almost no other ref than Scripture and Strongs*

Maybe that is where your problem lies; as you do not benefit from the teachers that Lord has given His church.
---lee1538 on 11/22/06


"Apparently Kay has little use for that epistle written by Ellen White - now part of the SDA authoritative N/C scripture."

lee1538, EXACTLY!!!

Toby, actually you never showed me. I'm still waiting. The 4th commandment is NEVER repeated within the New Covenant. What you did give me was your misunderstanding of Hebrews chapter 4, which refers to God's salvation (rest) found only in Christ Jesus. This rest has nothing to do with observing a day of rest. NADA!
---Kay on 11/22/06


Toby, since NT believers aren't obligated to observe the Mosaic laws, we are promoting lawlessness? I'm not living by lawlessness. I've told you TOO many times that we (Christians) serve God according to the commandments of Jesus Christ. I really wish you would spend more time studying the NT. If the Mosaic laws were still binding today Gentiles would still be "without the law". It would also mean that Jesus hasn't redeemed us.
---Kay on 11/22/06


"Its your life, but the book of life has your choices, and only by Col 2:12-14, can these entries be erased."

Toby, my eternal life is not based on whether or not I observe the law of Moses. Stop being so legalistic! And the fact that I don't observe the law of Moses does NOT mean I'm damned. PLEASE educate yourself by studying the New Testament.
---Kay on 11/22/06


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Toby, twelve years ago I became a born-again believer by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ. I don't have to observe the law of Moses in order to please my God! Youre sounding too much like a Pharisee. They were trying the same nonsense with the Gentile believers in the NT. I know what my God expects from me and it isn't what you think.
---Kay on 11/22/06


"Kay, if you know anything about the Adventist Church you wouldn't make the false insinuation that they believe satan is Jesus' brother. Get your facts straight if you want to be credible."

Geoff, can you quote me where I'm saying SDAs teach that Satan and Jesus are brothers? I said SDAs teach that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. I didn't say they teach that Jesus and Satan are brothers.
---Kay on 11/22/06


Lee1538 1/ I see you speak for Kay, are both the same person and that is why you slap each others back. 2/ As stated I am not SDA, or Ellen White whoever she is. 3/ What I write I first study in scripture with almost no other ref than Scripture and Strongs. I believe firmly in proving all things, with an open mind and every scripture sent to me I check, plus what others right. I follow only the truth as revealled by the spirit. Everything I write is direct from scripture, without influence.
---Toby on 11/21/06


The challenge I made to Kay and now to you is to find and check these 197 scriptures, with an open mind. Remember I can not nor want to change you it is not my job. You and Kay and I, like everyone have choices. We can choose to accept mans ideas or we can search it out with an open mind and in prayer for the truth. A great tool is to pray for the spirit of discernment. The final choice is yours "Choose life" remember your choices are recorded. Deut30:19
---Toby on 11/21/06


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Toby - *Kay,I showed you that in the N/C scriptures, that its acommand to keep the Sabbath today.*

Apparently Kay has little use for that epistle written by Ellen White - now part of the SDA authoritative N/C scripture.
---lee1538 on 11/21/06


Kay,I showed you that in the N/C scriptures, that its acommand to keep the Sabbath today. Sadly you didnt believe, as you say you are not under the O/C scriptures. What if it was stated say60, no 100, no 197 times in the N/C scriptures that the keeping of the mosaic law was still in force today, would you believe or would you still want to make this world lawless,and live by lawlessness? Its your life, but the book of life has your choices, and only by Col 2:12-14, can these entries be erased.
---Toby on 11/21/06


Kay, if you know anything about the Adventist Church you wouldn't make the false insinuation that they believe satan is Jesus' brother. Get your facts straight if you want to be credible.

Lee said "we see that the Gentiles churches did not observe any Sabbath at the beginning of the 2d century. Nor do we see any Sabbath observance in histories left by other societies." Where do we SEE that??
---Geoff on 11/21/06


No mormons don't believe Jesus is Michael they beleive he is a god, and Lucifer is a god aswell because everyone can become a god.
---Jared on 11/20/06


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"While such beliefs are often from the same sewer, the Mormons view Jesus as a brother to Lucifer."

lee1538, in other words, He's an angel. Its strange how cults adopt each others false doctrines.
---Kay on 11/20/06


Kay - "Do Mormons also believe that Jesus is Michael?*

While such beliefs are often from the same sewer, the Mormons view Jesus as a brother to Lucifer.
---lee1538 on 11/20/06


I go to church then go and finish my gardening. after all, its a day of rest isnt it? God said we are to rest like He did. I may go watch a game of football, golf or go to the beach...or go and have a drink with friends? thats my sunday gone.
---boob on 11/20/06


jason, you're welcome. Just do a search on Clear Word Bible. Thats what I had to do. I was hoping to be able to read it online, but I guess its not available. All I found was example passages from different sites.
---Kay on 11/19/06


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"Maybe they plan on peddling it to the Jehovah's Witnesses as well." --lee1538

Maybe. Do Mormons also believe that Jesus is Michael?
---Kay on 11/19/06


The Clear Word Bible also refers to Jesus as Michael the Archangel.
Examples:
Jude 1:9 -"the Lord Jesus Christ, also called Michael the Archangel"
Rev 12:7 "Gods Son Michael and the loyal angels fought against the dragon"

Maybe they plan on peddling it to the Jehovah's Witnesses as well.
---lee1538 on 11/19/06


Kay, Thank you for your information. I didn't know that they had their own translation. This gives me something new to study. Where did you learn this information at? Is there a website I can go and learn more at?
---jason on 11/19/06


Lee, You still go round and round and round. What makes them a CULT? In your first blog about the baptists, you mentioned them collectively, as whole. Still the examples you give doesn't make them a cult and still you do not tell us of the "true" church in which you are in ranks with. I am saved by grace and Baptist by conviction. You won't even tell us where your convictions lye. I'm 100% with you about the SDA being acultic, but your reasoning of the baptist goes far past rightful division.
---jason on 11/19/06


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jason, the SDAs do have their own version of the Bible. Its called the Clear Word Bible. Some say its just a paraphrase, but it completely alters the original message that was being communicated. The passages are altered to line up with Ellen G. Whites teachings, dreams, and visions.
---Kay on 11/19/06


Examples:
Jn 20:28- "My Lord and my God"
Clear Word Bible- "Lord, youre alive! They were right! I believe! You are the Son of God".
Tit 2:13-"the glorious appearing of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ"
Clear Word Bible- "the glorious appearing of our Great God, and our Savior Jesus Christ".
These passages deny that Jesus is God.
---Kay on 11/19/06


The Clear Word Bible also refers to Jesus as Michael the Archangel.
Examples:
Jude 1:9 -"the Lord Jesus Christ, also called Michael the Archangel"
Rev 12:7 "Gods Son Michael and the loyal angels fought against the dragon"

1903 "The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty"(ms 150, SDA Commentary V, p.1129)
---Kay on 11/19/06


jason - anyone can tack a sign above a building and call themselves the Baptist church of Poodleville.

Often some that call themselves Baptists often accuse others of not being Baptist for one reason or another.

And then since there is rarely any central authority, there is not much in the way of discipline toward those who are clearly deviants or even cultists.

The only commonality between one Baptist group and another is that they believe in immersion.
---lee1538 on 11/18/06


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Kay, So by your disagreement, are you saying that if someone uses only the KJV, NIV, or RSV, by that standard they are a cult? This isn't the standard that makes them a cult. It is the added revelation to the Bible that makes them a cult. Please clarify your statement. Why does using one bible version make anyone a cult?
---jason on 11/18/06


Lee, You are absolutely correct when you give the definition with the SDA. However, in your first statement, you didn't say some baptist, it was very generalized and totally inapropriate to the subject. cont...
---jason on 11/17/06


#2, Lee Trying to slide it in by saying "Some" leaders believe to be the sole interpreter, One of the first things in ALL of the Baptist Doctrinal statements I have read have read "We believe the BIBLE, God's Holy Word is the Sole and FINAL authority in our life." You believe your interpretation of the Bible is correct as I believe mine is. We ALL do. What makes the SDA a cult is equivilating the "out of body" experiences of Ellen G. White to Biblical doctrine. cont...
---jason on 11/17/06


Lee #3, To accept your argument that the Baptist church is a cult because some leaders believe to hold the only correct interpretation would define ALL religions as cults. Methodists, Church of God, Nazarines, Presbetyrians, and even the Nondenominationalists would ALL be cults. Many of these also believe they have the truth and that the others just don't understand it. I've never met one pastor from ANY denomination who didn't believe that He was correct. Please reconsider what you have said.
---jason on 11/17/06


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"SDA isn't a cult because of their standards on a version of the Bible"-jason

I completely disagree.
---Kay on 11/18/06


jason - *what constitutes this being a cult? *

There is no exacting defination; I would subscribe to the criteria that Walter Martin provided in his book "Kingdom of the Cults".

Before his death, he made statements that the SDA need to be re-classified as a cult, in part because they recognized other sources of authority level with / above the Bible.

As Baptists being a cult, I would say those whose leadership believes to be the sole interpretive authority of the Bible.
---lee1538 on 11/17/06


Lee, Again I ask you, what constitutes this being a cult? SDA isn't a cult because of their standards on a version of the Bible, their music prefferences, nor for their Dress standards. Nor are they accult because they believe thier moral standards are correct. This has Nothing to do with why they are a cult. If you made a mistake in your wordings, just say so. If not, give proof of accultic activity within the Baptist Church.
---jason on 11/17/06


Geoff - *"Gentiles already knew what constituted moral law." Could that also be why keeping the 7th-day Sabbath is not mentioned in Act 15?*

No because we see that the Gentiles churches did not observe any Sabbath at the beginning of the 2d century. Nor do we see any Sabbath observance in histories left by other societies.
---lee on 11/17/06


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Lee1538 said "Gentiles already knew what constituted moral law." Could that also be why keeping the 7th-day Sabbath is not mentioned in Act 15? What would make the 7th-day Sabbath not a moral as the rest of the 10 Commandments of which it is the heart?
---Geoff on 11/17/06


jason - *You might feel that some are accultic for their standards against sin ..."

What really lies is at the bottom of what they regard as sin (s) is the total unequivocal condemnation of other Christians who read modern versions, condone women wearing slacks, listening to country music, have long hair, etc. etc. They often are the most intolerate of all people.
---lee1538 on 11/16/06


Lee, thank you for your response. You might feel that some are accultic for their standards against sin but how does this fit in the literal definition of a cult? You were very vague when you proposed that baptist were cults. How does ths fit into the definition of a real cult?
---jason on 11/16/06


jason - I was baptized a Baptist but recognize the fact that there are cultic Baptist churches. Try stepping foot in one of those "Baptist" churches that condemns modern music, modern Bible versions, women that wear slacks, other baptist churches, Democrats, etc. etc. and you will soon feel that you have entered into Cult Land.
---lee on 11/16/06


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Lee, I also want accessible proof to your claim of Baptists being as cult. I am not ashamed of being a Baptist. I do not subscribe to every teaching that every Baptist have, but the Basic doctrines that we hold dear to are precious and I want to know how they are acultic as you say. We never were Catholic, nor have we ever been Protestant. I am interested in your affiliation to whom you are reluctant to give rank to, but more interested in how I am part of a cult.
---jason on 11/15/06


jason - I am getting ready a response to your inquiry as to my religious affliation. Thinking about it, if I say Presybyterian, Methodist, Lutheran, Baptist, then there are several different divisions within those groups & they have slightly differing beliefs. And OTOH, no individual may fully subscribe to what the denomination holds. So I will give you a statemnet of doctrinal belief and let you chew on that, ok?
---lee1538 on 11/15/06


It depends on the church all are diff. The Amish to Rodney Howard Browne's laughing church will do vastly different things and also people are indivual so that counts also.
---Jeanne on 11/15/06


Lee, I am still waiting for a response.
---jason on 11/15/06


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Geoff - the larger issue in Acts 15 Jerusalem council was whether or not Gentile converts had to obey Mosaic laws; not only circumcision. The decision made was that Gentiles did not have to obseve Mosaic laws and that would also include Sabbath keeping, dietary laws and other things that were of the Jewish religion. Gentiles already knew what constituted moral law and really needed no instruction as to what was morally right or wrong - Romans 1.
---lee1538 on 11/15/06


Lee, saying "NT church post-biblically established Sunday worship" you concede Sunday worship is nowhere in the Bible & the 7th-day Sabbath still stands
Re: Acts 15:28-29 lists: abstain from meats offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, & from fornication. That's it? Abusing God's name, dis'ing parents, murder, stealing & coveting are out with Sabbath for NT church? Nothing's in the 10 Commandments about dietary restrictions-meat/blood. Acts 15 doesn't discard the 10 Commandments
---Geoff on 11/14/06


"Cults often bred cults. Charles Taze Russell got many of his ideas from his SDA mentors. In fact, he even predicted Jesus would return in 1914 but when that did not happen, his face saver was the Jesus came back invisibly - similar to the story of how the SDA Investigative judgment came about."-lee

So true.
---Kay on 11/14/06


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