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How To Destroy Family Curses

Do you believe the Spirit of Elijah has been given to destroy family curses? If a persons ancestors have sinned and not repented, could the family be in darkness? Are we all connected?

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No Christian is cursed. Praise God he took care of that on the cross. But anyone that does not have the living God living in them in one way or another my friend is cursed.
---catherine on 11/5/07


"..of those who hate Me." That is where the curse lies. NOT in the generations of all the family, just in those who hate God. This misconception has been such a horrible undoing of many a family and it is so not of God. The very idea that God would curse 3 generations of people because one individual was bad doesn't follow the Bible. Voodoo is satanic. Anyone who puts a curse on someone is just as human so just say jinx on your curse & I raise you one blessing.
---mikefl on 11/5/07


Matthew, I have to do this, this way due to an "auto delete" feature on the blog that sniffs out any url posted.

To join, and get an email address,
1) Go to the main portal
2) when you are there cut and paste the following after the dotcom cgi-bin/communitylogin.cgi?id1=2
3) Enjoy the priviliges of membership
---John_T on 12/13/06


Matthew,
I am so glad to hear you say that. Truly, truly, our responsibility is to submitt to the Lord and let his Spirit guide us. James 4:7, "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
---Bruce5656 on 12/13/06


Thanks Bruce. Understand I have been yielding to the Spirit. There is something wrong when we try to "cast out a demon" in an effort to stop habitualy sinning when we can just yield the battle to God. We can't win a battle of sin. This is why whenever I am tempted I give it to God. In doing so the sin becomes a choice rather than something I am forced to do. As far as any demons that might be around me, I have allowed God to handle it all. God bless you.
---Matthew on 12/13/06




2) I've come to the understanding that such a preoccupation with demonic forces is just not healthy in the believer. I have found it leaves them more open to deception and confusion. Better to let God handle it all. From this point on I'm am going to concentrate on living for Christ. I'll let him worry about all the other details.
---Matthew on 12/13/06


PART ONE:
Matthew,
Re your post on 12/08/06 (I agree there is something wrong with taking ones beliefs based on experience rather than the Word etc)

You have joined a very exclusive club! For all the discussion that goes on here, very, very seldom does anyone ever state that they have been caused to rexamine their beliefs because of what someone else has said.
---Bruce5656 on 12/12/06


PART TWO:
Most often, in the face of clear and indisputible scriptural evidence people will insist on sticking to their point of view.

I am honoured that you have found my words to you challenging enough to cause you to stop and reconsider your position. I encourage you to continue to make the Bible your first an only authority to validate your or anyone elses experience.
---Bruce5656 on 12/12/06


PART THREE:
There are many voices and many messages that you will come in contact with. Some would be very, very persuasive. They cannot all be right.

God bless.
---Bruce5656 on 12/12/06


Matthew: For ME it was clearly something that has been caused by demonic forces.

Could be, but there has to be more behind that. That means discussing it OFF THE BLOG and OUT OF PUBLIC VIEW

Several of us here have pastoral and/or academic backgrounds and have dealt with it. Find and trust someone like that here.

Why? There are some here who persist in ignorance, and will condemn you venomously.

I am john7768.
---John_T on 12/12/06




Bruce5656 Demonology is given scant attention in Scriptures because Jesus dealt forcefully with demons. Yet the 7 sons of Skiva give great lessons on what they can do.

Since they can not take out of the hands of Jesus, they can make us miserable, and unproductive.

Many times it is through familial abuse. I have been on both ends of that war, and have been attacked during an exorcism. Jesus always gave the victory!

Please look at the resources I provided. I will contact you later...
---John_T on 12/9/06


A distinction should be made between oppression and poseession one last time Bruce so when I talk about it in the future there isn't confusion.
1. Possession- complete control of body and mind. When Jesus would approach what the Bible deemed as possessed they would be be under control of the demon. Also the demon would be manifest in the person.
2.Oppression- torment from demons which can include. Irrational fear,heat all over the body,confusion,paralyzation,slight manifestations of a demon, etc.
---Matthew on 12/9/06


II) All things that keep you from doing what God would want you to do. Also Christians can have the oppression. But the part that gets to me is the part of the slight manifestations. Demons are liars and they may have the ability to simulate a manifestation in a Christian wihtout actually being within the person. Or maybe they enter for a short time and cannot stay for long.
---Matthew on 12/9/06


Matthew- You're heading in the right direction my friend. God bless you on your search for the truth. I'll be praying for you.
---craige on 12/9/06


There are a couple of things I do have to mention. Keep in mind I never said the devil was to "blame". All in all I repent and accept the responsibilty that it is my sin that lead me to habitual sin before. The problem lies in the "quick fix idea" that I can cast it out now and not have to struggle with the sin anymore. Also I used to suffer from horrid anxiety and constant sweating for years.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


II) I openly said and believed "In the name of Jesus I cast out demon of sweat and demon of anxiety". Well the anxiety and sweating has pretty much stopped since then. I went to a dermitologist before who had diagnosed the sweating as hyperhydrosis, but now it's just gone. For ME it was clearly something that has been caused by demonic forces. So was this demon in me or outside of me. I know I am a Christian so in order to stay scriptural you would have to say it ws outside. I am ok with that.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


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III)Nonetheless I rebuked/casted out an actual illness I had for years doesn't this deserve discussion? Now that I think about it Jesus either rebuked or healed illnesses. Never did he cast out a demon to remove an illness right? So I suppose whatever was doing it was outside my body. All this Bruce we should discuss because it may help someone else if rebuking an illness in the name of Jesus can heal someone. Besides Mark 16:15-18 says we can.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


IV) You say that habitual sin and addictions has nothing to do with demons but I am sorry I have to disagree here. Now this is my own experience I can't lie. The habitual sin I dealt with after being saved was very strong. No matter what I had the grace to say no. I know this. However the urge was unnatural. Before I was saved this wasn't real because I actually wanted to commit the sin.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


V) After I was saved it was as if the sin turned against me and tried to make me do it. The temptation is less and less now. Right now I wonder if it is coming back anymore. Nonetheless there was something very strange about this and it was the only sin I had so much trouble with. Also it was my biggest sin. I tried the quick fix by "casting out" whatever was doing it and it still turned out to be something that I needed to overcome in time.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


I've been seeking wisdom from God on this and I agree there is something wrong with taking ones beliefs based on experience rather than the Word. So I'm starting over. One thing I know for sure. When I asked Jesus to come into my life, repented and gave my life to him I all of a sudden became demonically attacked. I have read in some places that define oppression as outside attacks and not from within. Also from the same source I read that oppression can appear to be possession.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


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II) Meaning demons can "pretend" they are in you when they really aren't. I accept this as a possibilty. Some reasons why I decided to question my beliefs are...
1) It was starting to become non biblical. most of the things I say I cannot back up.
2) I felt conviction in the whole idea about these beliefs not being scriptural. Thank you Bruce for you determination. You helped me realize that it cannot be backed up which is a problem.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


III) 3) This belief tends to have a Christian worry more about removing the problem of sin throuigh casting out a demon rather than following the scriptural way of having faith in the power of Jesus blood and relying on him to help you overcome it by using his grace and repenting.
From this point on I'm going to trust in only the word on this subject and trust in the Holy Spirit to guide me through the subject. I don't wish to be on the wrong track. God bless.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


PART ONE:
Matthew,
One thing you said that I agree with 100%:
" I can't give proof, only my word and the word of many other Christians. I know that's not enough..."

As I said before experiential "knowledge" must yield to the light of scripture.
---Bruce5656 on 12/8/06


PART TWO:
Here is why what you have to say is so dangerous. What you are talking about is people abdicating their personal responsibility for their actions and blaming the devil (or demons).

Again I ask you, where is the scriptural teaching on this? Why is the bible silent on this? Why did Paul not tell the carnal Corinthians about this?
---Bruce5656 on 12/8/06


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PART THREE:
Matthew, the concept that every addiction or habit is the result of demonic influence is simply not true. Read Pauls epistles a common theme is personal responsibility. Being responsible for our actions. Making the right choices. Nurturing the new man and starving the old. Read the introduction to Romans where he delineates mans deliberate, willful, denial and rebellion against God. Not a word about demonic activity.
---Bruce5656 on 12/8/06


PART FOUR:
Yes Jesus said we will/can cast out demons. There is no reason or support in anything he said or elsewhere in scripture that he was talking about casting demons out of born again people.
---Bruce5656 on 12/8/06


PART FIVE:
Mark 16:9 (not 8:9) we are told that Jesus had cast 7 demons out of her. That is past tense. There is no reason to think that this was a long drawn out process. Mary was not even a Christian, indwelt by the Spirit of God (no one was until after the resurrection) yet she remained demon free.
---Bruce5656 on 12/8/06


PART FOUR:
Read I John 4:3 again. The word "spirit" before antichrist is in brackets. That means it is not in the original text but was added by the translators of the KJV. There is no authority in that word. (Spirit) of Antichrist is a translation of antichristos and simply means 1) the adversary of the Messiah. So it is true of any unsaved individual. They are adversaries of the Messiah independent of any demonic influence.
---Bruce5656 on 12/8/06


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PART FIVE:
Again I refer you to Pauls description of the depravity of man in Romans. That is our natural state. NOT because we are demonized from birth but because we are born with a sinful nature.
---Bruce5656 on 12/8/06


PART SIX:
You give the devil far too much credit.

Matthew, you would do well to use the scriptures as your authority and test ideas and concepts against the light of scripture. You can have no better motto than. Romans 4:3, "For what saith the scripture?" There is any number of ideas floating around that people get caught up in that have no basis in scripture. If you do not acknowledge the supremacy
---Bruce5656 on 12/8/06


of scripture (if I think one thing and the bible says something different, the bible wins) you will be one of those caught up in every wind of doctrine every fad that comes along.

Ephesians 4:13-15, "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
---Bruce5656 on 12/8/06


PART EIGHT:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:"
---Bruce5656 on 12/8/06


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PART NINE:
Matthew, please do not misunderstand me. I do believe in demonic oppression/possession of the unsaved and deliverance. I have been involved in exorcisms. I am not trying to pull an "I know better than you and you have to believe me." Like some do here. I am urging you to put scriptural authority first before experiential knowledge.
---Bruce5656 on 12/8/06


PART TEN:
I have been a Christian since I was a child, and a Pentecostal minister for 30+ years. I am not ignorant of the supernatural. However, I will always take scripture over experience. I have seen too many fads come and go (including "deliverance" ministries.). I am not saying I know it all or have all the answers. All the more reason to rely on the authority of the word first and foremost.
---Bruce5656 on 12/8/06


V) I John 4:3 states "but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world." How many non-Christians do you know of that don't confess Jesus is Lord? Most right? Well they all have a Spirit of the Anti-Christ. Do you think it sits outside of a person? Why would it if a person have allowed it in by accepting it? All non-Christians have demons within them.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


VI)Demons DO NOT have to be revealed for them to be there. Why would they reveal themselves when it can result in the host turning to God? They may reveal themselves at oppurtune times. When they feel they can finally destroy a person(suicide,homicide(devil made me do it)),when they feel they have no choice because a person is seeking God or many of times not at all. No one can explain why they manifest for some and not for others. It is probably all up to God.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


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Bruce & Matthew: Demonizing is real. And the point of it is to destroy the image of God in man. (Andrea Yates)

From all accounts, they were Christians. She destroyed 5 kids, her marriage and herself. That surely fits the definition of demonizing.

Abuse victims (especially) carry the demonizing with them unless healed, then freed, and perperuate it. (that's Scriptural)

Another resources are books by Koch, published by Kregel. Koch is a psychiatrist and born again Christain
---John_T on 12/8/06


There is no scriptural proof that Christians can have demons within them(this is not possession). If it quacks like a duck than it is a duck. I'm sorry but if a Chrisitan has an anger problem he has a demon within him. If a Christian can't seem to shake an addiction he has a demon within him. If a Christian lives through life in fear he has a demon within him. It's as simple as that. Many illnesses are caused by demons. Jesus said himself "those that believe will cast out demons"
---Matthew on 12/8/06


II) Jesus said in Mark 15:17-21 "In my name they shall cast out demons" Did he mean only his apostles? God forbid. Yes I became a Christian a couple of weeks ago. How do I know this? Because in turning to the faith the demons within me revealed themselves and attacked me even after Godly repentance, and acceptong Jesus into my life. What made them stop? Casting them out in Jesus name. Taking the authority Jesus has given me.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


III) Every addiction(habitual sin) is the result of demonic control(bondage). How many Christians do you know of that still had to fight with sin after they became a Christian? This is a process of kicking out the demons within them. When they overcome it the demon has finally left. They have to plead the power of blood and Jesus right? This is deliverance.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


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IV) They just don't realize in pleading the blood of Jesus they are acknowledging the power of Jesus and in turn doing battle with demons that reside within them. Mary Magdalene had 7 demons cast out of her(Mark 8:9) Do you think she ran around in convulsions and naked? No, we know better than that. Why do you think Jesus cast the demons without of her? So she can be free from bondage of sin. I can't give proof, only my word and the word of many other Christians. I know that's not enough so I am sorry.
---Matthew on 12/8/06


PART ONE:
Matthew,
Look at what you have written. Not a stitch of scripture to back it up. Where is the proof? Experiential proof must always take a back seat to scriptural truth. 99% of what is passed off as "deliverance" from demon possession oroppression is nothing more than a form of religious psychology or psychotherapy. Notice I said "religious" not "Christian".
---Bruce5656 on 12/7/06


PART TWO:
Again I ask, if this it is as you say it is, where is the mention in the NT teachings of Paul etc? How is it that God left this extremely, hugely important area untouched for us to flounder around in?
---Bruce5656 on 12/7/06


PART THREE:
Where did you learn what you have to say here?
Where do you come up with this stuff? Who says "Pretty much all non-Christians have demons within them"?
Who says "Christians who open doors and leave them open are in rebellion and WILL have demons come in and harrass them"?
Where did you learn this stuff?
Who says "Someone demon possessed will not read the bible"? ( I believe it was you who said that)
---Bruce5656 on 12/7/06


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PART FOUR:
Correct me if I am wrong on this but did you not tell us that you were saved only a few weeks ago? How did you come by all this knowledge since then? How is it that a new Christian feels he has so much to say with so much authority and with no backing of the word besides?

Just to set the record straight, I do believe in demonic possession and deliverance. But not of Christians.
---Bruce5656 on 12/7/06


II) Possession means your will is gone and you can no longer control yourself. Oppression is you have all your will but are attacked whether in body or mind. Some Christians stay under attack after accepting Jesus Christ within their life. Why? Unaddressed issues and strongholds. If they are still listening to or are believing lies that demons have given them they can stay within them.
---Matthew on 12/7/06


III) Also ignorance of the Word is also another reason. The most important thing is to acknowledge the authority a Christian has over Satan. Once this is acknowledged you can start casting out any demons that have not left yet. It is also important to understand the difference between possession and oppression. Possession comes from willingly allowinging a demon to take control of you. Oppression comes from opened doors and never addressing them. Like unrepented sin and rebellion as a Christian.
---Matthew on 12/7/06


IV) Pretty much all non-Christians have demons within them. Christians who open doors and leave them open are in rebellion and WILL have demons come in and harrass them as much as God allows(chastisement). It can appear in the form of disastrous things happening(life problems),feeling fear and distance from God and many other things. A Christian who believes that demons exist may very well find themselves directly harrassed by demons(voices,fear and confusion).
---Matthew on 12/7/06


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VI)You mention Matt 7:22-24 and I agree with is really happening with them. However you didn't address those that cast demons out according to God's will. For the purpose of helping others to be free. Not for money,fame or proof. I hope you understand this happens. Also you will find they only help those who accept Jesus Christ. Why? The demons cast out of the non-believer can come right back and stronger than before. They won't help a person who doesn't repent and accept Jesus.
---Matthew on 12/7/06


Bruce I would never suggest a person go to a deliverance minister who asks for money because they are NOT working for God. However ministers who are truly faithful who's mission is to help those oppressed or possessed for God is different. There is way too much evidence of Christians whth demons within them. Christians that backslide may very well have to deal with these types of things like demonic oppression. There is a huge difference between possession and oppression.
---Matthew on 12/7/06


Bruce: Here is an EXCELLENT resource, What Demons Can Do To Saints by Merill Unger, published by Moody Press

The author and publisher are both evangelical, (albeit dispensational) and world reknown for good stuff.

It is a good, sane addition to anyone's library.
---John_T on 12/7/06


PART ONE:
Matthew,
Oppression/depression... It depends on how you define the words. You seem to be talking about what most others would call possession.

Either way, it is decidedly un-scriptural and I for one reject and rebuke this type of talk.

If there were any truth to what you say as to how this all works, it would be far too important to be left out of the instructions to the church as we have them in the New Testament.
---Bruce5656 on 12/7/06


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PART TWO:

In opposition to what you are saying, the word says:

1 John 4:4, "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."

2 Corinthians 5:17, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
---Bruce5656 on 12/7/06


PART THREE:
2 Corinthians 5:17, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

1 John 5:18, "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not."
---Bruce5656 on 12/7/06


PART FOUR:
If you are truly fooling around with demons in your life, as a Christian, well I think you need to re-evaluate if you are a Christian or not.

I have seen so-called "deliverance ministries" play on the fears and insecurities of the weak for what ever reason. Mostly money I suppose.
---Bruce5656 on 12/7/06


PART FIVE:
Matthew 7:22-24, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." We read that and think, how could they cast out devils if not by the power of the Spirit?
---Bruce5656 on 12/7/06


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PART SIX:
Well there are two possibilities.

1. They were not casting out devils at all. They may have said they were, and may have even become convinced they were but (in as in the case of the blind leading the blind Matt 15:4) they were not at all.

2. They were casting out demons but it was all a show to draw crowds and get the power over people and their money
---Bruce5656 on 12/7/06


How can Satan cast out Satan? Does this sound familiar?
---Barton on 12/7/06


Bruce what I talk of isn't possession but oppression. Possession = full control of the soul. Meaning the demon IS you. Instead of you controlling your body and mind the demon does. Oppression happens in the mind and in the body or both. The person still has their will but is attacked. If a Christian cannot have demons then how is it people who have accepted Jesus can cast demons out of themselves in Jesus' name and they leave? Only a Christian can cast out demons.
---Matthew on 12/7/06


III) I heard someone say before, "God has a reason for those who have to cast demons out of there own bodies, and it is so some can learn how to." You will be surprised by how many people who call themselves deliverance ministers(cast out demons) were actually demonized themselves. It's just a matter of learning how to use one of God's greatest gifts. Some Christians are just burdened with having to learn how to do this one.
---Matthew on 12/7/06


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In Christ there is no curse, a Born again blood bought christian is free from all bondage, but a backslid condition will bring chastisment. A lifestyle that is contrary to the cross you should carry,will give satan an open door to bring the condemnation of the law upon you, repentence brings Grace and healing.
---Exzucuh on 12/4/06


I never heard about Elijah and curses. But if ancestors have dealt in witchcraft or anything that is asociated with satinism, diving,tarot,just to name a few, it can cause us trouble. But we can break these curses by telling God we are sorry that we had nothing to do with it and please remove it from us. Then we are never to do any of the things that God hates.
---Bobba5433 on 12/3/06


Some views presented on these blogs are disturbing but everyone has the right to be heard. This talk of Christians being possessed is one that I would characterize as the most disturbing. It is tragic enough that some believe this to be true. It is very disturbing to think that someone weak in the faith might read what is said here and take it to be true when in fact it is absolutely unscriptural.
---Bruce5656 on 12/3/06


Because it happens in deliverance all the time. People accept Jesus but then demons still stay why? They sincerely repented and chose to live for Jesus yet sometimes demons stay. This happens VERY often with people who were into satanism or the occult. First the demons here are very strong. Second it has to be renounced for the legal rights to go. Even after that they will have to be cast out in Jesus name. I was demonized myself and even after receiving the Holy Spirit I had to cast out demons.
---Matthew on 12/3/06


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II) If you have been through it or known someone who has been through it you can understand. It scary enough as it is for people who have demons within their body moving their limbs, speaking through them and trying to control their will. The last thing they need to hear is that they know they have received the Holy Spirit only once the demons are gone. Many will go, but very powerfull ones normally stay. Most Christians are lucky and all of them go.
---Matthew on 12/3/06


Mathew - please show me in scripture where one christian cast a demon out of another christian. This is not a scoffing remark-just something to think about.
---craige on 12/3/06


Christians get demonized all the time most of them just don't understand what is really happening. Demons hate the blood of Jesus but they will stay as long as a person fears them and doesn't have someone cast them out in the name of Jesus. Nothing is "broken" unless it is renounced or repented. This still doesn't make all demons leave.
---Matthew on 12/2/06


mathew- if i purchase a car from you, you have no more legal right to it. why do you think that demons can have legal rights to you after you have been legaly purchased by Christ. You are bought at a price,and now satan has no legal rights to you. he may still give you a hard time- but even then he can only tempt you to a point, because God will only allow him to take it so far. God has the right to tell him how far he can take it ,because God is now your true owner
---craige on 12/2/06


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All curses on you are broken at the very moment you are washed clean by the blood of Jesus Christ,at the very point of salvation. We try to blame the evil in our hearts on demons so we dont feel as at fault. The heart is desperatly wicked and who can know it. Know ye not that your body is temple of God. It is not a temple for demon spirits. To get into you the demon would have to go through your blood covering,and as soon as he went through the blood he'd be a born again demon.
---craige on 12/1/06


suppose your family has been infested by pedophiles and all around unrepentent bad people. doesn't it make sense that god probably doesn'tlike this family and they will be followed by darkness? by the way, what is the 'spirit of elijah'? i could use it's help.
---kristin on 12/1/06


No, according to God's word, each soul is held accountable for their own deeds or misdeeds, and not those of their ancestors.
---Eloy on 11/22/06


Ancestral curses are quite real because many Christians and non-Christians need to get deliverance because of them. These curses though are'nt just any unrepented sins. It's more along the lines of occultic practices where a person "binds" his family line to serve false Gods or leave an allowance for evil spirits to be connected with people in their family line.
---Matthew on 11/21/06


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II. Born again Christians need to be delivered all the time because when you're sin is washed away it doesn't remove whatever "legal rights" demons have on a person. All demons with legal rights must be removed by renouncing what ever sin,curse,etc. they stand for. Any demon of sin can only have legal rights if you haven't repented that sin. Even after receiving the Holy Spirit. I know this because I have been through it. Driving out demons is a pain.
---Matthew on 11/21/06


I like John 10:10 The enemy comes to steal, kill and destroy but I (Jesus) come that you might have life more abundantly. YES! Amazing that some think that curses can't affect Christians. They can be broken through Jesus! I've been freed from stuff I got just from being born into my family - and my parents and grandparent were Christians. (Don't know about the next ones back) Are we all connected? Well, All those belonging to Christ are in His adopted family! :) Isn't that great news?
---marilyn on 11/1/06


not that God punishes the fourth generation for what the first generation did. If generations keep sinning against me and breaking my law, I will keep punishing them. The meaning is, I will, if I have to, punish successive generations but not for long. But what I would like to do is bless my people forever if only they will keep my covenant. It really does not mean punishing X for Y; it means applying the same punishment that you applied to X also to Y." - Doug Stuart
---Johnny on 9/19/06


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