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Who Knows The Truth

With over 1,000 denominations under the banner of christianity today, how can we know who's got the truth?

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Ginger, you gave Matthew 11:28, is correct. There is an echo of the first beatitude found in (v. 5:3) in this passage. Note that this is an open invitation to all who hear-but phrased in such a way that the only ones who will respond to the invitation are those who are burdened by their own spiritual bankruptcy and the weight of trying to save themselves by keeping the law. The stubborness of humanity's sinful rebellion is such that without a sovereignly-bestowed spiritual awakening, all sinners refuse to acknowledge the depth of their spiritual poverty, as some do here. That is why Jesus says in (v.27) our salvation is the sovereign work of God. But the Truth of divine election is not incompatible with the free offer to all in (v. 28-30).
---MarkV. on 8/23/10


-- JackB & Alan :

Brethren, God Predestined His Foreknowledge of our choices into His Creation... Ya act as if God didn't, man could choose something not Foreknown by God. PLEASE!!!

In the end everything is going to happen EXACTLY as God has Foreknown, whether ya believe God Predestinated His Foreknowledge or not.

God's Grace is Justly given where God had Foreknowledge it should be given.

God isn't, as JackB claims, an unjust tempter who's forced sin upon us just b/c He Foreknows who shall be condemned and didn't correct their freewill choices before Creation so they wouldn't be condemned.

Go read Rom.9:13-21 Then come back and tell me this isn't the God you have unjustly accused
.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/23/10


"the Truth is that God is not a dictator, but a God that does as He so pleases on all that belongs to Him. Ruler and Lord of all His creation"

I assume all agree that is true. But, does it mean

a God grants,as He pleases, FreeWill
or
b God does not (or is unable) allow FreeWill
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/23/10


"Jude 1:5 - Saved...not spiritually saved." MarkV (1)

You are ignoring the context of Jude's statement regarding salvation and overlooking the reason that he made it.

"Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 3

As a warning, Jude then cites the example of the Jews (vs 5) "Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe."

Cont.
---scott on 8/23/10


"Jude 1:5 - Saved...not spiritually saved." MarkV (2)

Jude's warning would be pointless if Christians did not face a danger similar to that of those Israelites. Jude was not questioning the value of Jesus' sacrifice. That sacrifice has saved us from Adamic sin, and Jesus will protect those who exercise faith in him.

But we can lose that protection by doing what was done by many Israelites who were saved from Egypt. We can deliberately choose to disobey God.

"I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live..." Deut 30:19
---scott on 8/23/10




"He who endures to the end will be saved." Mat 24:13

MarkV, in response you cited 1 John 5:5?

Read the context of Jesus' words in Matthew..

He is talking to his believing disciples.

"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake." 24:9

"Then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another..." vs 10

"Many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." vs 11

"And because [of] iniquity...the love of many shall wax cold." vs 12

"But [with that expectation in mind] he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
---scott on 8/23/10


Where are all these people from different denominations showing Scripture? I see zip.
- MarkV

Come on now Mark, you know this statement is not true.

Anyway, God seeks us and calls to us through verses like
Matthew 11:28
" Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest"

Through his word he speaks to every heart seeking those who will give in and do his will.

Revelation 3:20
'Behold, I stand at the door and knock, if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me'

Seeking the ones he knows will let him in.
---ginger on 8/23/10


Genesis says we were created in God's image, correct?

If this is so and God has his own will, then God created us to have our own will.

Everything does what God made it to do except man. Isn't that something.

Anyway,
denominations do not have the answers they are not the way. The Bible says that only Christ has the way or should I say IS the way.
We aren't necessarily supposed to do what man teaches. We are supposed to study for ourselves and the HS promises to teahc us all things if we do this. BUT we are given teachers and such to help us also if what they say lines up with God.
---ginger on 8/23/10


Alan, you said,
Mark ...Have you ever studied the Bible looking for anything to show that God is a dictator"
No Alan, I study the Word to know the Truth. And what I learned is the Truth, and the Truth is that God is not a dictator, but a God that does as He so pleases on all that belongs to Him. Ruler and Lord of all His creation. And found out man's wisdon is so deprave they think they can defeat God in every corner. That is how deprave they are. God's Word says,
"But He is in one mind, and who can turn Him? and what His soul desireth, even that He doeth" (Job 23:13).
And for this reason we read,
"For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen"
---MarkV. on 8/23/10


Jack B, 2: You also made another comment to me,
"Until you realize this, you will continue to deny scripture given from other brothers and sisters in Christ from various other denominations simply because you believe your church holds the perfect position on all doctrine."
Where are all these people from different denominations showing Scripture? I see zip. I do not hold what my denomination holds as Truth, for all denominations have invite back the works of man for salvation. It is easier to accept since it gives man free will to do what they want even when they are saved. There is not one perticular denomination that has absolutely followed the teachings taught in Scripture. Many Churches still do.
---MarkV. on 8/23/10




If man wasn't Predestined and had freewill, then Why couldn't man with his freewill choice choose to keep God's whole Law & obtain Salvation on his own? - ShawnMT

Is this suggesting the God predestined us NOT to obey His laws?

That God forced sin upon us?. Forced deception which He knew we could not resist?
What does this to do the image of a HOLY God who only acts in love? It destroys it!

That, sir, is switching the roles of satan and God! God cannot be tempted with evil, nor does He tempt US with it. We are even told NOT to claim God does such things from scripture! That is utter blasphemy!

Go read James chapter 1. Then come back and tell me we're talking about the same God here.
---JackB on 8/23/10


Simon, A-men. God's judgment is just, he is longsuffering because he does not desire any one to perish, but that all woiuld come to repentance and enjoy his manifold blessings and glory. He give mankind, chance after chance after chance after chance after chance after chance after chance to fess up and get it right.
---Eloy on 8/22/10


You haven't studied who God was, is, and always will be. - MarkV

Because I dont agree with what you think the word says? You assume too much.

I notice that all your accusations are rooted in your refusal to accept the possibility that you are wrong.

You should take the advice of ShawnMT, who it seems is also a Calvinist but not a 5 pointer. He seems to agree that not all denominations have all the answers.

Until you realize this, you will continue to deny scripture given from other brothers and sisters in Christ from various other denominations simply because you believe your church holds the perfect position on all doctrine.

There is a point when a man's pride becomes greater than his wisdom.
---JackB on 8/22/10


-- Alan & JackB :

Believing God has Predestined us... Taking the blame off of ourselves and placing it on God is not the way to find salvation.--JackB

Why does God give us a moral code... when His own is so vastly different?--Alan


Brethren, God's given Law(you call moral code) is unto Salvation and is no different from His Own which Christ fulfilled for us, taking the blame of sin off of us and placing it on Himself as the 'Way' to find Salvation.

If man wasn't Predestined and had freewill, then Why couldn't man with his freewill choice choose to keep God's whole Law & obtain Salvation on his own?

Who art man to reply against God? saying Why hast Thou made me thus? Rom.9:13-21
---Shawn.M.T. on 8/22/10


We do not know except how they teach the scriptures if they are adding on or not. God knows the hearts of the individual .
Denominations are not 100 percent perfect or correct.
---candice on 8/22/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, The Blog question is How can we know who's got the truth?

Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Jer.17:5

Don't seek & expect one denomination to have all the Truth or that their doctrine is the full Truth.

Stay in remembrance that while you may be in an denomination, you are not of that denomination but are of the Body of Christ our Lord & Saviour, and we're guided into All Truth through our relationship with the Spirit of Truth. John 16:13

So the way you know who's got the Truth is through strengthening your relationship with the indwelling Holy Spirit!!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 8/22/10


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Mark ... Does your refusal to answer questions make you feel part of the exclusive club? That there is no need to answer those who don't see things the same as you? Have you ever studied the Bible looking for anything to show that God is a dictator? Have you ever taken any notice of the passages "Come unto me" or "God so loved the world" or the Parable of the Prodigal Son?

All these show that God allows us to make choices.

Why will you not answer my earlier questions? Why does God give us ... in His Bible) a moral code (in fairness and justice & punishment) when His own is so vastly different?
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/22/10


Jack B, you want me to say something that I cannot possibly be sure of when you ask me,
"Oh for goodness sake, Mark. Just say it lol, You know you want to say it! Tell me Im lost because I dont agree with your interpretation of scripture. You've beat around the bush long enough."
Jack, I do not see hearts, all I see is the evidence someone shows when they answer. Not because you do not believe in my interpretation, but for not believing what the Bible has to say about God. You have not studied who God was, is, and always will be. You have only followed what you were taught or what you heard from others. You have believed it, have embarrased it, and now defend it.
---MarkV. on 8/22/10


Jack B 2:
In order for you to prove that man can resist God with his own power, you did what heretics do, you deliberately looked for a passage to contradict what the Word of God say's about God. In other words God's power can be defeated, when you gave Acts 7:51. By not reading the context and looking up the words, you concluded God can be defeated. But God say's,
" He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and "none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35). "There is many devices in a man's heart, nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand" (Prov. 19:21). You stripped God of His deity. What heretics do you did. Because of your bias.
---MarkV. on 8/22/10


VERY EASY:

3 ways to know which of the 2000 denomination is teaching the truth:( not limited to 3)

1: Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

2: 1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

3: Revelation 12:17 The remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
---francis on 8/19/10

Thanks Francis....I finally got to eat some steak at this joint. Mmmmmmm. Just right!
---Trav on 8/21/10


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John 12:49. For I have not spoken of myself: but the father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak.

The words of Jesus are truth and they are life. We can find them in his eyewitness apostles writings...mainly Matthew, Mark, John and Revelation. Luke was a follower of Paul and not an eyewitness.

Jesus promised his disciples that the Holy Spirit would teach them all things and bring all things to their memories. John 14:26. Their words are preserved for us in their gospels. There you will find the truth. John 8: 31-32.
---barb on 8/21/10


//how can we know who's got the truth?//

2 Tim 2:15 Study the Bible rightly divided.
---michael_e on 8/21/10


Thank you Eloy. We are basically stating the same thing with perhaps slight variation on the mechanics of the process. I think, you see it as a matter of Lord's judgment (not completely sure), and I see it as a governing system set up by Him, which runs on the just bases automatically,- what one have sown, one must reap. Or what one had choose, one shal have. God Bless.
---simon on 8/21/10


Simon, When a soul disses Christ, Christ disses them. True he invited his own to come to his supper table, but they did not want too, therefore to whomsoever will may come and drink of the everlasting waters and my tree of life. And to the disser says the Lord, "Fill full your cup of wrath and woe, to overflowing and drink it down into your bosom, sour and rottenous to your bones: for you had pleasure in your wickedness, so have your wickedness, seventy time seven times into your own soul. I offered you full redemption and you spurned me, now see if your own hand will be able to deliver you from your end."
---Eloy on 8/21/10


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Oh for goodness sake, Mark. Just say it lol
You know you want to say it! Tell me Im lost because I dont agree with your interpretation of scripture. You've beat around the bush long enough.

"You might believe in Jesus Christ and His resurrection, but you have no knowledge of the God of Scripture"

My oxymoron detector just went off!

Jesus Christ IS the God of Scripture. (John chapter 1).

Are you goin to respond to Alan's remarks?
---JackB on 8/21/10


"And you are so arrogant that you even believe that you have power over God, the Holy Spirit, when you claim you can resist God whenever you want" - MarkV

Acts 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye

Apparently Im not the only person that thinks so.

Believing that God has predestined us to either eternal life or death will not remove the guilt of our sin. It will also not take away the grief that we feel over loved ones that have rejected Christ.

Taking the blame off of ourselves and placing it on God is not the way to find salvation.
---JackB on 8/21/10


MarkV . Yet again you twist my words ... I do not complain, Pointing out your false witness is not complaining.

You are the one who complains when you accuse me of stalking you. You are afrid of me because I point out your false witness, and you are afraid of my question because you cannot answer it

I don't need to ask God to show me "how He can be Omnipotent and at the same time give man free will. If its even possible?"

God is King. A Sovereign who allows Free Will is greater than one who has to depend on being a dictator.

Why do you deny God's pure Sovereignty?
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/21/10


It includes a deep remorse for having offended God - MarkV

We wont feel a deep remorse for offending God until we LOVE him, Mark!

Before we hear the gospel of Christ, we dont love God. (1 John 4:10,19) We are terrified of Him! (Heb 2:15) We instinctively know we have done evil and are in deep trouble. (Romans 2:14).

Until a man accepts the gospel of Jesus Christ, he will never love God. You cant LOVE someone you are terrified of because you believe they want you dead! You can SAY you love them out of fear of what theyll do to you, but that is not true love.

Its the LOVE of the truth that changes our hearts. The GOODNESS of God leads us to repentance.
---JackB on 8/21/10


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MarkV You falsely & Knowingly accuse me of not giving scripture. I have in tha past quoted many of Jesus's words.

I would rather believe His message of "Come unot me" than on your twisted misinterpretation of a few passages, taken out of context, from Paul's letters.
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/21/10


Alan, I don't respond to you because all you do is complain and never give any Scripture only your own opinions. Then you just stop. For a long time you don't answer. Then every so offend you throw a stab at me with your comments, again to complain. I just finished baby sitting two of my grand kids for five hours, I do not have time to unrattle your brain and figure out why you believe as you do. Why not ask God? Ask Him how He can be Omnipotent and at the same time give man free will. If its even possible? Does God change His Omnipotence so that man can have free will? Answer, No, God's attributes, character and nature never change. There is only One Authority and Ruler, and that is God. Maybe not in your mind.
---MarkV. on 8/20/10


Steven rem, praise God there is more on line who believe in the God of the Bible. It's a hard job bringing the Truth to so many who have not given their lives fully to Christ. Oh, they have made a commitment, but what I see is no evidence of that commitment. They are still in control. Just like when they were lost. They can come to Christ if they want, and they can leave when they want, they can defeat the Holy Spirit when they want, complete denial of their inabilities, talk about boasting on themselves and their works, its all about what they can do for they like to be in control. Thank you brother for the support you give to God who really is in control.
---MarkV. on 8/20/10


God has the truth,he is truth,the life of jesus was truth,the holy spirit is truth.Faith in God alone is truth,the good news is truth.
---tom2 on 8/20/10


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Jack B 2:
Now I ask you where is your faith? Where is the fruit of that faith? The evidence? Did you accept Christ so that you do not go to hell is not good enough. That is a heart of attrition, as remorse children have, when they do not want to be punished. Contrition, is a true Godly repentance, it is genuine. It includes a deep remorse for having offended God. The contrite person fully confesses his sin with no attempt to excuse it or justify it. "Yea, we ourselves had the sentence of death within ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God who raiseth the dead" (2 Cor. 1:9) You were dead Jack, and He raised you up, God. You did not come alive by your own free will.
---MarkV. on 8/20/10


Jack B, you say I am arrogant, I believe it is you who just doesn't understand the God of the Bible. You still think in the flesh. You might believe in Jesus Christ and His resurrection, but you have no knowledge of the God of Scripture. Here is what I notice of you:
1. You do not depend on God, your dependance is still in yourself, there has been no change. What man can or cannot do, you. You are still running the show. Why give your life to Christ if you think that way? You do not even acknowledge your depravity. And you are so arrogant that you even believe that you have power over God, the Holy Spirit, when you claim you can resist God whenever you want. Why commit your life to Christ? Is it so that you do not go to hell?
---MarkV. on 8/20/10


Mark V and I agree

Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling,
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in you all.
---steven-rem7000 on 8/20/10


Mark ... As ever, you put words into others' mouths, "He is not obligated to have mercy on everyone just to please you or Alan's believes"

Neither JackB nor I have ever said God is obligated to save everyone.

God, as you say, is "Omnipotent, which means that God holds all power over His creation, no part of creation stands outside the scope of His sovereign control"

Your misinterpretation of that is that God is unable to allow free will. That means He is NOT omnipotent, and also that He punishes men for behaving as He ordains.

Why are the moral rules He has given us so differnt from those He Himself abides by? I've asked that before ... will you this time answer?
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/20/10


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Eloy, there is indeed right and wrong, and His way is the right way. We where given the freedom choice to choose one or another and indeed there is nothing in the middle in the final analysis.
What I've asked of you to take under consideration is the fact that based on the choices we make, we eventually head for Heave or hell, as you put it. This is not a matter of God's love judgment, but just and proper result of the causes set forth by choice. God, of course, does not wish for any one to perish into hell. That is not how Love loves, but continuously provides us with means of making the the right choices through out human history on this planet. God Bless.
---simon on 8/20/10


//Mark, are you suggesting that God brought sin into the world? That it was His will for it to happen?

If you were a Mormon you would certainly believe in that, as their literature says that God (Elohim) brought sin into the world so that his begotten spirit children could have earthly bodies.
---leej on 8/20/10


Mark, are you suggesting that God brought sin into the world? That it was His will for it to happen? That it was Gods will for ALL men to fall into condemnation so that He could save only a few of us? You would have to believe this to claim Gods total sovereignty over all things at all times.

And what kinda gospel is that? Thats not "good news", thats horrible news for most men!!!
---JackB on 8/20/10


Simon, I will reconsider nothing: for there is right, and there is wrong, and never shall the twain meet. There is not a heaven and a hell and also a lukewarm cozy mix of the two, but only a heaven for the righteous, and a hell for the sinuous.
---Eloy on 8/20/10


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Jack B, 2:
just from one story, if God had answered Habakkuk prayer to save everyone who disrepected His law, God could have done it in a second. But God did not desired to save them but to bring judgment to them. If this is the God you believe in then you are ok, if not, you have a god you formed that you like. For God does as He pleases. He has mercy on whom He has mercy. He is not obligated to have mercy on everyone just to please you or Alan's believes. "A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directed his steps" Prov. 16:9. For this reason we read, "For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen" Rom. 11:36.
---MarkV. on 8/20/10


Steven G, I have read and I have learned. Your lack of knowledge as to who God is blinds you from the real truth. Our God is Omniscience, who knows all things. Omnipotent, which means that God holds all power over His creation, no part of creation stands outside the scope of His sovereign control. Omnipresent, who is present everywhere, always Holy, always right, He never learns anything for He knows all things. He is immutable, who never changes. And since He never changes, there is no passages that can contradict who He is. So before you argue a point, be sure you do not go against who God is, if you do, you will be doing what heretics do, trying to remove His deity. I'm sure you do not want to do that, if you are a man of faith.
---MarkV. on 8/20/10


MarkV, if God has predestined certain men to heaven and certain men to hell (before even being born) .... what difference does it make if we believe WHAT you do? Its not like our denomination is gonna cause God to change his mind is it? He already made up his mind 7 thousand years ago according to you.

That being said, why are you so set on claiming that those who dont believe what YOU do , dont know the Lord?'

You dont think thats a bit arrogant?
---JackB on 8/19/10


Isnt it amazing Alan!?

We are condemned for being disobedient.

Wait a minute! If we are only doing what God "predestined" us to do, then how....are...we....being....disobedient? /confused

Even a child can understand how its unjust to punish them for something that we made them do.

And yet here we have grown men claiming that our Holy God Almighty (who IS love) is guilty of such things. They accuse God of evil.

I think Im gonna grab my daughters arm now smack myself in the face with it repeatedly, blame her for it and then beat her with the belt for the rest of the night. Im so excited!! OOOOOh I just cant wait!!
---JackB on 8/19/10


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MarkV: "Steven G, such bunk you speak... God running out of patience."

You surely need to meditate more on the Words of God and listen to what the Holy Sprit has to say. Or read the entire bible from beginning to end instead of what most christians do - read a verse here and there. It is written that we, as christians, must have patience especially during tribulation, and the we pray to God to have patiences with us, and it is written about the patience of Jesus. Do an online KJV bible search for "patien" - That is "patien."

And, while you're at it, do a search for "suffer" (for God suffers), "forbear," "toler," "endur,"
---Steveng on 8/19/10


Jack B, if you read the book of Habakkuk, you see that he had a burden for the righteous. He ask God why He didn't do something to bring revival to those who disrepected His laws so many of them who surrounded the righteous. And listen to what God said to Habakkuk that he did not expect.
"Look among the nations and watch-be utterly astounded. For I will work a work in your days which you would not believe, though it were told you. For indeed I am raising up the Chaldeans, a bitter and hasty nation" If you continue reading, You will see how terrible the Chaldeans were. God instead of bringing revival, He informed him He was sending the "terrible and dreadful" Judgment (v.7) continue B.
---MarkV. on 8/19/10


To Mark V. God had given everyone two fundamental things: freedom to choose and intelligence to make that choice. Since God does not wish any soul to perish, He provides us with the means of developing the intelligence. He also tells us that anyone who would choose to turn away from their own, and turn to Him for the ways of life, will have the life eternal. Thus, if one chooses God's way of life because one has got enough intelligence to choose so, than one lives, rather than dies.And if one chooses to live from one's own intelligence, which I call foolishness, then we have opposite results. But since God is Love, first and for most, and love never pushes anyone into anything, therefore it is said choose you whom you'll serve... God Bless
---simon on 8/19/10


Well, don't worry about it. Some things that you can do. [1] study, study, study, [2] get close to God, and receive your knowledge from Him, directly, [3] Pray,[4] if the church you are attending seem strange to you, get out....I am going to stress again the importance for God's people to study and stay in prayer. God will help YOU.
---catherine on 8/19/10


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Jack B, said,
"Yeah cuz the real God of scripture has no desire to save the whole world, and doesnt lead all men to repentance (like the Bible says)."
Yes you are right, I do believe that. If God wanted to save everyone, everyone would be save. You should think before you write,
1. If God desires that everyone be save, why are many going to hell? He is God after all.
2. If the Bible says as you said, that He leads everyone to repentance, why are many not repenting? You said He is leading everyone. He must not be a very good leader for many are going to hell. What kind of god do you have? Your god is not a leader. He is a pagan god, who speaks but can do nothing.
I have a God who can do everything He so desires.
---MarkV. on 8/19/10


Jack B 2: You ask me,
"Mark, what makes you sure that youre one of the ones chosen to eternal life? Because you have faith in Christ?"
The reason I know I am saved is because I have made my salvation sure as Scripture tells us to.
1. We must examine our own hearts to see if we have true faith in Christ. I know I do.
2. We must see whether or not we have any genuine love for the biblical Christ. For we know such love for Him would be impossible without regeneration. I have examine my heart and I do. I love Him with all of my heart.
3. We must seek our assurance from the Word of God through which the Holy Spirit bears witness to our Spirit that we are His children, the Spirit witnessed to my spirit that I am.
---MarkV. on 8/19/10


Mark says "My God is never defeated. What He determined will come to pass. He knows who His saints are and will be, and who will be heading to hell"

That means of course that God has determined that the majority of the human race will not repent.

YES!! God has decided that they will not repent ... not just known it, but decided it, made it so, predestined it.

So God will now punish them for behaving as He has determined. Mark has said that they are disobedient, so deserve punishment.

But God made them so they would not repent. It is thus God's good pleasure to punish them for being as He made them..

That's our loving God ! Hallelujah!
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/19/10


VERY EASY:

3 ways to know which of the 2000 denomination is teaching the truth:( not limited to 3)

1: Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

2: 1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

3: Revelation 12:17 The remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
---francis on 8/19/10


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---randa6568 in your quest to find the truth why not go where the truth is to be found. The truth is in the Bible. Read or listen to a recording of the Scriptures and there you will find truth.
---mima on 8/19/10


You should attend a good church so that you can find out the real God of Scripture. - MarkV

Yeah cuz the real God of scripture has no desire to save the whole world, and doesnt lead all men to repentance (like the Bible says).

Instead of He chose Mark (naturally) and a host of other people to save and predestined the rest to an eternal firey death at his good pleasure.

Mark, what makes you sure that youre one of the ones chosen to eternal life? Because you have faith in Christ?

There are lots of other people here who have the same faith in Christ that you deny even know Him simply because they dont agree with your interpretations of scripture. How does that make you any different from a Jehovah's Witness
---JackB on 8/19/10


StevenG, what I am speaking of is the belief that some teach God makes certain men only to destroy them for his good pleasure, while giving salvation to others.

Naturally those who believe such a doctrine place themselves on the salvation side of it , otherwise they wouldnt give it a second thought.

And they claim they only believe it because of divine revelation which other Christians apparently lack.
---JackB on 8/18/10


In support of JackB, John.12:32, 1.Tim.2:4 and 4:10, 1.John.4:16. And no parent would torture his child forever for anything he did, unless that parent was insane or a sociopath...
---ger.toshav on 8/19/10


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Eloy, please reconsider. You get many things so well, except for this point that God is Divine Love and Divine Wisdom, and Divine Love could not have a desire for any soul it had given life to perish. That is not Love. Just as parent does not hate a child, when child does wrong, but out of love corrects, instructs, punishes, this child - yet, to one end only, to reform the child, and that is done out of love. Consider please also, that the Lord could have destroyed, damned, cursed, etc.., all those who prosecuted Him. Yet, He did not, ever! That is the power of Love at work against whose, who had permitted the falsity from evil to work through them at the time, thus, "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do". God Bless.
---simon on 8/19/10


Steven G, such bunk you speak concerning God. Just listen to you. God, Almighty God running out of patience. He is a defeated God. Why even call Him God? He is not a man like you and me. He is God. Everything that is happening He already knows will happen, He already told us the future. And you are saying He is running out of patience. He does not live in time as man does. Everything is "now" before Him. You should attend a good church so that you can find out the real God of Scripture. My God is never defeated. What He determined will come to pass. He knows who His saints are and will be, and who will be heading to hell. Nothing is news to Him, He knows everything.
---MarkV. on 8/19/10


JackB: "Especially stay clear of the churches that teach you God doesnt love all men and wants some to go to Hell. That is not what the Bible says about the Lord. It says He has NO pleasure in that."

That's right, God has no pleasure in punishing much the same as a father has no pleasure in punishing his son, but it must be done. God is not only a god of love, but also a just god. God has been patient for over 6,000 years to bring the human race to renpent and worship him. His patience is now growing thin as we enter the tribulation. And whose fault is that?
---Steveng on 8/18/10


JackB, You see God does not desire to hate, nor desire to have wrath. His desire is for all to repent and do good, but because sinners refuse to fess up and get right with God they perish. God has no choice, he says, "I set in front of you life and death, blessing and cursing, choose this day whom you will serve." And when a person chooses evil then what they sow is what they will reap.
---Eloy on 8/18/10


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God loves AND hates. Do not be deluded, God does Not love every body, but only those who agree to follow him: all who choose to dis him he has wrath and hates with perfect hatred. He did not just make a heaven for everybody, but he made a very real everlasting firey hell for those who he hates. "The face of Yhwh against them that do evil. All their wickedness in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes rebellious. It is written, My house will be called the house of prayer, but you all have made it a den of robbers. And having made a whip out of green stems he drove out all them out of the Temple."
---Eloy on 8/18/10


Bottom line is, if your denominational beliefs cause you to do ANYTHING other than love all men regardless of their sins and beliefs, then it is NOT of God. He shows love to ALL, regardless of how they feel about Him and He expects the same from us. Thats how we as Christians show the world HIS love so they want to know Him.

Especially stay clear of the churches that teach you God doesnt love all men and wants some to go to Hell. That is not what the Bible says about the Lord. It says He has NO pleasure in that.
---JackB on 8/18/10


Christians today are overloaded with knowledge that the truth has been whittled away. Today's technology has compounded the problem a thousandfold where everyone and their friends each share their interpretation of the bible. There are books galore and magazines publishing thousands of articles a month about a certain interpretation. And blogs, too. Just reading many of these posts prove the many interpretations.

Don't let others spoil your faith and joy with their philosophies and their wrong and shallow answers build on men's thoughts and ideas instead of what Christ has said. For in Christ there is all of God and you have everthing when you have only Christ. Colossians 2:8-10
---Steveng on 8/17/10


To Jesus "Pilate says to him: What is truth? Jesus says: I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life: no human comes to The Father, except by me." Jn.18:38+ 14:6.
---Eloy on 8/17/10


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The One God Jesus name Church of The Living God according to Acts 2 v's 37 - 41, The Same as The Early Church. The Early Church remnant still lives today for The Gospel Truth sake.

The devil 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 along with the roman leaders, nero & the crusades didn't kill us all, & he sure would like to.
---Lawrence on 8/17/10


To whom is asking the only way to find the truth is to seek the Word of God with an open mind and to Pray that God will show you His truth. the Bible says to seek and ye shall find.
---Cheryl on 2/20/08


Jesus IS the Truth.
---Linda6563 on 2/20/08


I believe we should all print this entire blog and refer to it when "our" church is the only way. This is a wonderous message of faith and truth. God's word is truth. As to the actual question of denomination? Seek the church that teaches as close to the Bible as possible. Be ready to question when it varies from God's word. Be ready to move on if God's true word is bypassed.
---mikefl on 9/16/06


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There are a number of books that tell how most Protestant denominations have evolved, split, merged and what the issues were associated with those events. It will take some detailed study on your part but then and only then will you be able to ascertain what Christian religious body you might care to make an association with. Don't listen to others in this area, study and make you own decision.
---Phil_the_Elder on 9/15/06


The right denomination worships and prays only to Jesus Christ as the only Lord and their only Salvation, and also manifests the power of the Holy Spirit, and obeys Jesus' Commands, for he alone is the only real and everlasting Mediator.
---Eloy on 9/15/06


Jesus is THE WAY, THE LIGHT AND THE TRUTH.(JOHN14;6)/the Spirit also is truth(1 John 5;6)Jesus is whom we follow, not each other, through His word,God's word,One christ,one spirit..His holy spirit.
---karin on 9/15/06


they all nailed it,God ,Gods word,jesus,the holy spirit.this is truth, the only truth,spiritual truth.to specifically answer you God has the truth, and thru jesus he wants to reveal it to you.
---tom2 on 9/14/06


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Very good question! When in doubt, go to God's word and compare the doctrine with what the Bible says. If it says otherwise correct your brother in love or "eat the meat and spit out the bones." Flesh gets in our way despite our good intentions. Give grace to those in error and ask for God to reveal the truth to them. Likewise, ask God to give you a teachable spirit and wisdom to understand God's truths.
---Katie on 9/14/06


One name...God. There is no demonation under God. I don't know what others are but as for me I am a Child of God, chosen by God. My truth lies in God and what his word says.
---Rebecca_D on 9/14/06


#2 Get your instruction directly from the source, God and He will not steer you wrong.
---Debbie on 9/14/06


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