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Explain Luke 21:5-37

After reading Luke 21:5-37, Why do Christians still believe in a pre-rapture?

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 ---mary5544 on 9/15/06
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These things must first come to past. There is worse behind. The end is not by and by, not suddenly. Be not terrified, [God's people] for, if you begin so quickly to be discouraged, how will you bear up under what is yet before you? [I just loved that one] "Before all these they shall lay their hands on you. This must be considered not only as the suffering of the persecuted, but as the sins of the persecutors. "The ruin of a people is always introduced by their sin". CONT.
---catherine on 2/25/08

Christ tells them what HARD THINGS they should suffer for His name sake. They should count the cost.He encourage them to bear up under their trials, and to go on in their work. God will bring glory both to Himself and them out of their sufferings. Such severe things and being so hated by the worst of men, will be a testimony that you are good. Trust therefore in Him. And be not afraid. It is your interest to make the best of that which is, for all your fears cannot altar it> THE END.
---catherine on 2/25/08

Jesus is here speaking of the end-times. False Christs and false prophets appearing. Jesus warns-take heed that you be not deceived. If we are sure that Jesus is the Christ, we must be deaf to all intimations of another Christ and another gospel. Expect to hear of great commotions [already here] in the nations. Bloody wars [now is all around the world] earthquakes in divers places. There shall be famines and pestilence [deadly epidemic disease].>>CONT.
---catherine on 2/25/08

Because there's gonna be one, the debate is over when.
---Under_Cover_PZ on 2/25/08

Although the events described here are dreadful, we do not believe that they are yet indicative of the Tribulation Period. We believe that these things are happening in the world right now. In America, we don't see this persecution, but certainly other countries do. Also, consider the last tsunami. Verse 28: "...your Redemption draweth nigh..." We believe that is talking about Christ's return.
---Crystal on 6/3/07

#15 Let Paul's words and those of Jesus in our chapter speak to your heart: The things of which Jesus speaks refer to those snares of 21:34-35 which would prevent one from being able to "stand before the Son of man," fully aware of His presence. He will come as a thief only to the unsuspecting.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#14 Jesus warns against people becoming so involved with the cares of this life, or trying to escape the pressures through drunkenness (which produces its own headache) that they become oblivious to the nearness of His coming. Paul gives similar instruction to the Church. I Thessalonians 5:4-7. The greatest danger before any of the appearances of Jesus, is that those on the earth will not know that He is coming and will be caught unawares.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#13 This generation that witnesses all of this, will live to see Israel lead the way to spiritual fruitfulness. Notice the order in 21:29, "the fig tree - and all the trees." It is Israel,which will lead the rest of the trees, or nations, into the millennium. These promises are sure, for "heaven and earth shall pass away; but my words shall not pass away". 21:33-36. The word "surfeiting" indicates one who suffers from a headache because of drunkenness.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#12 They, themselves, will be the target of God's vengeance, and He will bring their "times" to a violent end. 21:28. Though these words can be applied to the Church, it refers to the redemption of Israel as a nation, as is seen by the following parable. 21:29-31. According to prophesies, Israel is to go through a very hard time because of their unbelief and rejection of the Messiah. We see also that Jesus alludes to the time period when it shall take place, for He says: 21:32.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#11 It is likely that the cloud which received Jesus,Acts 1:9, was the Old Testament believers who came out of the graves after the resurrection. Matthew 27:52-53. By the time the events take place, the Church will have already received their glorified bodies, and many will have officially become a part of His "armies," or cloud, according to Zechariah 1:15, "they helped forward the affliction," meaning that they went beyond the limit of punishment which God intended.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#10 "They" who shall see the Son of man, refers to the men of v.26 whose hearts are filled with fear. That fear was justified. Matthew 24:27 describes this. It means that it will be a time of great judgment. The next verse describes the battle of Armageddon: "For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together." Furthermore, note that Jesus is coming in a cloud. Hebrews 12:1 indicates that a cloud can refer to people, and that seems to be the context here.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#9 In addition to the devastation wrought by the wickedness of ungodly nations, the heavens also are seen to be in a state of chaos. This could be the result of the warfare going on in the heavens between Michael and the dragon with their forces. It could also be the result of nuclear war being waged on earth. Regardless, it presents a very fearful atmosphere, and Matthew tells us in Matt. 24:22. Like 21:27 This is not His coming for the Church.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#8 The times of the Gentiles is a certain period of time and authority given by God to the Gentiles to rule over this world. When that time expires, they will not give up the reins of government to Christ. Instead, they will rise up in their wickedness and rebellion against Him. The events described will be the result. All their fury will be unleashed against His chosen people. God has used the nations to punish Israel, and will continue to do so, but 21:25-26.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#7 According to Matthew 24 and Daniel 9:27, it will occur in the middle of the week of tribulation when the abomination of desolation stands in the holy place. The instruction here and in Matthew 24 is to get out of Jerusalem as quickly as possible, 21:23. A special woe is pronounced upon pregnant women, and those with nursing children, indicating that there will be no considerations or mercies shown for these special conditions. 21:24.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#6 There will be many of them martyred, for they will be hated of all men. Read. Matt. 24:9. Next 21:19. All of God's promises to Israel are going to be fulfilled. All their days of waiting, and finally believing His Word, are going to be rewarded; but before this happens, there are devastating days ahead for Jerusalem. 21:20-22 This points to the beginning of the time when the holy city shall be trodden down of the Gentiles for forty-two months . Rev. 11:2.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#5 He is telling them that they wont need to prepare a defense when they are unjustly charged during these days of persecution. God will give them such wisdom that their enemies will be unable to answer them. They are also warned in 21:16-18. Being betrayed by friends and family, their righteous answers to the ungodly authorities does not guarantee that they will be released, for many of them will be martyred. Jesus' words to them seem to be contradictory, but of course, they are not.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

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#4 Another sign is that Israel will become the center of attention. 21:12. Religion will play an active role in the end-time events which unfolds before Jesus takes His throne. Satan will be allowed to go the limit in his attempt to get man to worship the image of the beast. The Jew will see his own religious sacrifices taken away. 21:13-15.The next verses indicate that these compromises will come at the expense of true believers.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#3 Next are signs, as 21:11. All the these are described by Matthew as the "beginning of sorrows." We can see them coming to pass right now in the end of this Church Age. Many Christians are being led away after them . Acts 20:30. There are men today that believe they can unite this world, and out of this there will come a man who will seem to bring about all the things that are to be accomplished by Jesus when He reigns as King of kings. The time is right for these aigns to increase.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#2 Paul gave the same instructions to the Church when he wrote: I Thessalonians 5:1. Matthew, who presents Christ the King and His Kingdom, is more specific than Luke in describing the Tribulation, but Luke gives a overview of those things which will take place. Deception is described in V. 8 Then political signs follow: which testify of the unrest and threats of war among the nations, and these rumors turn into actual conflicts, as it says in 21:10.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#1 Luke 21:5-9 - Jesus declares that the temple will be destroyed. This happened in 71 A.D.wWhen Jerusalem was overthrown by Titus. These events in Luke 21 reach to the Great Tribulation. According to Matthew 24:3, the disciples ask "When shall these things be?" and "What shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the age?" The disciples did not know of the Church Age which was to come. Jesus let them know that many things must happen before all this prophecy is fulfilled.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

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But Luke verse 21 is after Abomination of Desolation. The parallel is at Mark 13:14. AoD is at the midpoint of 7 years. Then come the great signs from heaven, perhaps those are the Bowls, and then Jesus return.

I know, I'd much rather get out early, but thats not what I read in the Bible.
---Steve on 9/16/06

Some think God would not allow this tribulation to come upon his children. But our faith will see us through the tribulation. God has not taken us out of the world, but he is with us as we go through it (John 16:33; 17:15). Recall the 10 plagues of Egypt? God's people went through it but were not effected; recall Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego thrown into the fiery furnace? they were not burned; and recall Daniel put into the lions den? not a scratch upon him came. So too God will do for us.
---Eloy on 9/16/06

These thing will take place after the rapture. This was also written to the Jews, not the gentiles. There are no signs to look for for the rapture, only Christ's return to the earth. In the rapture, he does not set foot on earth, we meet him in the clouds. The rapture can happen any day now.

Moderator: God is talking to his disciples saying these horrible things will happen to them, meaning belivers. Then the belivers are not raptured out, but are here to endure...and then Christ returns. Or am I missing something?
---Rev_Herb on 9/15/06

I do have to warn against rapture theory: If we're looking for one and it doesn't happen, how confused might you become at the events around you?

There's danger in a little truth.
---Under_Cover_PZ on 9/15/06

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