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Shira, Im still waiting to hear about the $400 cell phone..

---NurseRobert on 12/3/13

Are you that stupid? Most welfare recipients have at least one iphone or other smart phone in their home. Those can easily cost $400.

In 2005 a government survey showed that the typical family considered to be in poverty by federal standards had air conditioned homes that were not overcrowded, had two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, computer, high speed internet, both a DVD player and VCR, two video game systems such as an Xbox & Plastation, Microwave, cellphones, Clothes washer & dryer, and 2 cars!

That's way more than I had most of my life and I was totally fine without welfare!
---Jed on 12/3/13

\\cluny, don't be a smarty. you know as well as I do what I am talking abou\\

No, shira, I don't know what you're talking about. Do you?

Are you saying you actually know people on welfare with $400 smart phones?

My own cell phone, btw, is a Cricket, which cost $35.00 and costs me less than $25 a mo.

I say nice things about you. I've thanked you for your generous offers elsewhere.

**Less than 10% actually suffered from an illness that would prevent them from working.**

Source, Jed.

++She drew... $4,000.00 tax free cash from another place.++

Such fraud is exceptional. I myself wear scrubs, mostly.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/13

"Show me where the bible is anti universal health care.

You have no problem giving subsidies to billionaire farm companies,"

If there wasn't subsidies to farms who would give/raise the food to give to those on food stamps?

I can show where the Bible says if a person doesn't work he doesn't eat.

How about you show me where you and your left liberal co-host use their own money to help anyone.
---Elder on 12/3/13

\\Wow Cluny, you were able to find one sap story out of the millions of undeserving welfare recipients w...\\

Jed, have you offered your services to help decide who is worthy of welfare and who is not?

I myself am on disability, so I know how the system works (and those on it) better than you do. The man I mentioned previously and I do our best to play by the rules. Result: our food stamps were cut by 30%.

How do you happen to know so many people who defraud these programs? A man is known by the company he keeps.

BTW, Jed, in the Southwest, you can't live without air conditioning, and I have bad asthma, among other illnesses.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/13

Robert, I don't care who started the program, I think American people are held hostage by the government. some of the programs just make people lazy. I don't care what you say about exaggeration, I stand behind what I said. you know what Im saying is true.
---shira4368 on 12/3/13

Shira, so you "exaggerated" to make your point? I don't consider calling an outright falsehood to be nitpicking.

The program you hate so much was started by a rightwinger president.
---NurseRobert on 12/3/13

Robert, why don't you stand on the street corner and ask everyone what their cell phones cost. I have no clue what others cells cost. you should be smart enough to know I was making a point, yet you nikpick for the dumbest things. did you know the gov hires people to offer cell phones. yes, they are on the streets trying to give cell phones away for "free".
---shira4368 on 12/3/13

Hogwash, Jed, you so-call "compassionate" conservatives are anything but.

Show me where the bible is anti universal health care. Or pro-war? You have no problem giving subsidies to billionaire farm companies, but takes away food stamps from children. They have no problem giving tax cuts to the rich, all the while cutting housing and food subsidies to the poor.

And when are you going to answer the question?

Shira, Im still waiting to hear about the $400 cell phone..
---NurseRobert on 12/3/13

seg, do you own a home, vehicle, money in the bank? just curious. If you do, go sell it all and give to someone too lazy to work.
---shira4368 on 12/3/13

Wow Cluny, you were able to find one sap story out of the millions of undeserving welfare recipients who have brand new smart phones, big screen TVs, video game systems, computers, Ipads, and live in air conditioned homes and dont work a lick because of some bogus illness which does not prevent them from working. I worked for years as a case manager who went into the homes of dissability and welfare recipients. Most of them had nicer homes and newer gadgets than me. And more than 90% of them were younger and more capable of working than me. Less than 10% actually suffered from an illness that would prevent them from working. My opinions are formed from actual experiences with thousands of welfare recipients. But you know one guy? Good job.
---Jed on 12/2/13

Conservatives are pro-death penalty, pro-war, anti-gay, anti-universal healthcare, ---NurseRobert on 12/2/13

No, the Bible is. And conservatives just happen to be pro-Bible. To bad you aren't!

anti-Medicare, anti-Medicaid, anti-Social Security

No, we're only opposed to these programs being abused by liberals in order to hold people hostage and buy votes. Liberals are the ones who robbed the Medicare and SS accounts of the seniors who have worked for it their whole their lives and gave it to perfectly able bodied welfare recipients who have never worked a day in their life! Conservatives support giving SS back to the people who paid into it.
---Jed on 12/2/13

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
---TheSeg on 12/2/13

OK Cluny, that's one in a row.
Maybe that person can't get what they need because so many that don't need are getting what they don't deserve.

I know of one who was on Gov assistance, had a Gov paid apt and never lived in it but kept it from those who needed it. She drew welfare, foodstamps, assisted health care all the while collecting $4,000.00 tax free cash from another place.

Each time she had an child by an unknown father she got a raise.

Want to help the majority of the poor? Teach 'em to work and cut the little nice things that cost so much like designer jeans!!
---Elder on 12/2/13

cluny, don't be a smarty. you know as well as I do what I am talking about. I certainly am not talking about the disabled. I now some of those too. he has a free phone and lives in gov housing on disability. cluny, you just don't have anything nice to say to anyone do you?
---shira4368 on 12/2/13

\\ I do not want to feed someone with $200.00 tennis shoes on carrying a 400.00 cell phone pd for by gov.\\

I know someone who has diabetic shoes paid for by Medicaid. They cost $150 and are now falling apart because they are three years old.

He also has a so-called Obamaphone (though the program actually started under President Reagan). It was clearly well used and poorly refurbished when he got it, because never holds a charge. Nevertheless, he must use it once a month or lose his eligibility for the program.

He lives on SSD, cannot work because of physical disability, and gets a grand total of $11 in food stamps a month.

How does this fit in with your view of things, shira?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/13

"..are you judgeing like Jed? ... Conservatives are pro-death penalty, pro-war, anti-gay, anti-universal healthcare, anti-Medicare, anti-Medicaid, anti-Social Security..."-NurseRobert on 12/2/13
Judging? speck-beam? pot-kettle?
Luke 6:42 ...Thou hypocrite...
John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees...
John 8:9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience...
John 8:11 ...Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
---micha9344 on 12/2/13

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Shira, 1) I challenge you to prove your $400 phone statement. 2) Are you aware of these people circumstances? Do you know whats in their heart or are you judgeing like Jed?

Are you equating money to compassion? Conservatives are pro-death penalty, pro-war, anti-gay, anti-universal healthcare, anti-Medicare, anti-Medicaid, anti-Social Security but you give some money to a church that might use it to feed the homeless but could just as easily use it (and millions more) to support more conservative "christians". It doesn't surprise me that more people are turning from God.
---NurseRobert on 12/2/13

Nurse Robert, And, how do you think that the End-Times will play out?
D'you believe, then, that what you think, say and do, as an individual Believer during the End-Times will have absolutely no bearing on where you end up and what will happen to you??
What you think, say and do now will make a difference as to what happens to you in the End Times.
The lax attitude of Sit back and watch the parade go by....
---Gordon on 12/2/13

Yes I watch fox too. I eat the meat and spit out the bones. There is not enough churches to feed the entitlement bunch. The gov. Is holding the crowd hostage. I have fed the homeless but I do not want to feed someone with $200.00 tennis shoes on carrying a 400.00 cell phone pd for by gov. The cycle needs to be broken but every year the "needy" list gets longer and longer.
---shira4368 on 12/2/13

Jed: Hogwash! All you have to do is get off Fox and see what "Conservatives" are pushing about help for the poor, healthcare for the poor, food for the poor.

I also noticed you still didn't answer the question. Its a simple yes or no, Jed.
---NurseRobert on 12/2/13

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Jed: My daughter went to Tunisia, when this couple lived there. They also lived in Algeria. I know that this missionary has visited Christians all throughout North Africa.
---Trish on 12/1/13

The church should be more concerned of the things that God commanded, like loving your neighbor and helping the poor.

---NurseRobert on 12/1/13

Which is exactly what conservatives do! And exactly what liberals preach, but the opposite of what they actually do!

But conservatives also believe in doing the other things that God commanded too, which liberals completely ignore. Actually, liberals glamorize the exact things which God commanded NOT to do!
---Jed on 12/1/13

I have seen few "Christians" like Jerry.---NurseRobert on 12/1/13

Sorry, Jerry, for some reason you've been on my mind lately. That should have read few "Christians" like Jed..

We, of the American Church, need to be more concerned about the New World Order...---Gordon on 12/1/13

This is what strikes at the heart of the problem. The American Church has gone over to paranoia. At the end of time do you really think that all of that will matter?

The church should be more concerned of the things that God commanded, like loving your neighbor and helping the poor.
---NurseRobert on 12/1/13

Trisha, I also know a woman who went to Muslim. country but she is not allowed to return home. I'm sure there are some Muslims who are not as radical but their bible says they are to kill those who refuse to be converted. Why do you think they are trying to take over the world?
---shira4368 on 12/1/13

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My point is, there are plenty of Christians living in Muslim countries. They don't do it openly, like we do. They have to worship underground, just as believers in China do, and Communist Russia did.

I also meant to point out that there are plenty of American born, U.S. citizens who are Muslims, who are not Jihadists. I taught plenty of them. I got to know their parents.
---Trish on 12/1/13

What muslim country is that, Trish? I'd be curious to know?

You don't actually think that the 0.2% of the worlds "Muslims" that live in the U.S. accurately represent the entire Muslim community around the world, do you? If so, you bring the word naive to a whole new level! They are no more Muslim than you and NurseRoberts are Christians. They are assimilated muslims. They don't fully practice their religion because they are vastly outnumbered and to do so would be illegal. And because, like NurseRoberts and yourself, they are trying to fit into a society that frowns upon religios devotion, so they do it half-way. Islamic countries show what true practicing Muslims look like.
---Jed on 12/1/13

I know a missionary who frequently makes trips to Muslim countries to visit Christians who are studying to minister the Gospel there.

My own daughter spent a summer in a Muslim country ministering to his children when they lived there.

I also know of American born, U.S. citizens who are not Jihadists.
---Trish on 12/1/13

We, of the American Church, need to be more concerned about the New World Order, One-World Government, rather than the Muslim religion.

If we would not let the NWO have our freedoms, we could better deal with the Muslim situation.

Thus, America's bigger enemy is, not only herself and her lax attitude towards defending her Freedom, but, the Anti-Christ's NWO kingdom-to-come which has been, and now is, in-the-making at this time.

Most latter-day U.S.A. Presidents have betrayed America to her U.N. enemy, and the American Church, by-and-large, has stood by and let it happen.
---Gordon on 12/1/13

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No, Jed, you didn't answer the question, you evaded the answer like you typically do. Do you believe that all Muslims are "Islamic Jihadist?" Its a yes or no answer, Jed.

Shira, you may be right, but I refuse to listen to the tripe that Jed puts out and not say something about it. Ive been reading and responding on Cnet on and off for about 8 years. In all that time, I have seen few "Christians" like Jerry.
---NurseRobert on 12/1/13

The question above was asked in 2006. If I have my facts correct President Obama won the election for the 2nd time in 2013 so must have won it the first time in 2009. That being the case was HE responsible for the issuance of these stamps as is said here. If he was it wasn't in his role as president but must have been in the role of something else.

Forgive my ignorance of U.S. politics. I have problems even understanding our own in the U.K. !!!
---Rita_H on 12/1/13

"...more evidence of our (USA) Muslim president. Muslims are our enemies....They continue...jihad against Christians [worldwide]....Muslim stamps should be allowed in America ONLY when Christian stamps are allowed in Muslim countries."
---jerry6593 on 11/22/13

True to form Jeery you again misunderstand the spirit of Christ in our U.S. democracy versus the spirit of darkness in tyrannical, religious countries. The USA doesn't play tit for tat as you suggest. We're a nation of people who aspire to take the high road...

TRUE: A U.S. postage stamp commemorates the Islamic holidays of Eid al-Fitr & Eid al-Adha.

FALSE: President Obama directed the issuance of the above-referenced stamp.
---Leon on 11/30/13

Jed, I have nothing against Christian, just pseudo-Christians like you.

Why did I know you wouldn't answer the question? You have nothing but insults. You dodge and weave like a punch drunk boxer.

---NurseRobert on 11/30/13

Since I actually believe the Bible and VOTE the Bible, and you don't, I would say that YOU are the pseudo-Christian. And yes, I did answer the question. Are you really too stupid to notice that?
---Jed on 11/30/13

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Jed and nurse Robert, you guys are not acting like Christians at all. Why don't you pray for each other. A good debate is a good thing.
---shira4368 on 11/30/13

Jed, I have nothing against Christian, just pseudo-Christians like you.

Why did I know you wouldn't answer the question? You have nothing but insults. You dodge and weave like a punch drunk boxer.
---NurseRobert on 11/30/13

You perceive the Pilgrims as saintly souls. They were just as bigoted as you are. ---NurseRobert on 11/30/13

No one has been more bigoted on these blogs then YOU, against CHRISTIANS.

Try being a Catholic or Jew in Plymouth at the time. ---NurseRobert on 11/30/13

LOL. Try being a Christian in a Muslim country, GENIUS! You'll have your head chopped off, only after they rape you repeatedly! Especially a nice soft girly guy like you.

Do you believe that all muslims are "Islamic Jihadist?' Its a simple question.. ---NurseRobert on 11/30/13

Well I'm sure you are such an expert on true Islam? Again, try being a Christian in a Muslim country where they practice true Islam.
---Jed on 11/30/13

Jed, once again you show your ignorance. You perceive the Pilgrims as saintly souls. They were just as bigoted as you are. Try being a Catholic or Jew in Plymouth at the time.

Do you believe that all muslims are "Islamic Jihadist?' Its a simple question..
---NurseRobert on 11/30/13

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Jed on 11/28/13: NurseRobert has a point though. When we talk about 'open borders' as a bad thing, think..... if the borders were closed when we came in, we would not be American

I'm not saying there was anything wrong with the Pilgrims, but they were immigrants too.

It's not about 'open borders' - it's about 'good immigrants' vs 'bad immigrants'
---Peter on 11/29/13

NurseRoberts, do yourself a favor and don't compare the pilgrims to Islamic jihadists. It only demonstrates your endless stupidity.

You don't actually think the Native Americans were a little group of peaceful butterflies do you? They were slaughtering each other off and savagely dismembering each other long before the Pilgrims arrived.
---Jed on 11/28/13

NO ONE should be allowed ...
---shira4368 on 11/23/13

Gee, I think the Native Americans said the same thing about the pilgrims.
---NurseRobert on 11/28/13

Patrick, yes because of our open borders, Muslims have infiltrated our country but you are wrong with your statement. NO ONE should be allowed to go to school, go to college, and live off our citizens all the while they are trying to impose their wicked laws on America. you must realize they came to OUR country. Women are their slaves and the can cut your head off without a blink. That's not what America needs and while I may not see it, our grand children will be highly affected. America needs a Godly president and Christians praying.
---shira4368 on 11/23/13

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The U.S. Postal Service issued its first Eid stamp commemorating the Muslim holidays Eid al-Fitr (marking the end of Ramadan) and Eid al-Adha (marking the end of the pilgrimage to Mecca) on September 1, 2001.

It was reissued one year later in October 2002 barely a month after the one-year anniversary of the terrorist attacks of 9/11. George W. Bush was president then so, should we label him a Muslim president also?
---Nana on 11/23/13

Jerry, you are absolutely right. Some can't see that. I see it and much more. Check out the number of mosque that have been built in the US in the past 5-15 years. We know what Obama is and how he sends the enemy. money and weapons
And we see how he snubbed the president of Israel and how he had a pow wow with Muslims in the White House. we know they are getting planted in our country just waiting for the time to emerge.
---shira4368 on 11/22/13

I dont understand why America feels lile we need to keep catering to Islam and letting those disgusting people invade our country.
---Jim on 11/22/13

Just one more evidence of our (USA) Muslim president. Muslims are our enemies. They attacked us. They continue their jihad against Christians all over the world. I think that Muslim stamps should be allowed in America ONLY when Christian stamps are allowed in Muslim countries.

---jerry6593 on 11/22/13

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Deanna I agree or at the least a white dove with a large halo of light all around him representing Christ.
---Darlene_1 on 11/21/13

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Ok.just loved this blogg..
Smiles... Lidia4796
---Lidia4796 on 11/21/13

If there can be a Kwannza stamp and a Hannakuh
stamp then there can be a stamp with the Trinity or Jesus.
---Deanna on 11/20/13

I wouldn't personally buy them but there is a huge populus of Muslims in the United States that probably will. They were created to celebrate the Muslim holiday season. People need to lighten up a bit. Coexistence is the only way to be peaceful. I dont go around telling them not to celebrate their beliefs and I sure dont want someone telling me I cannot celebrate mine.
---Patrick on 10/9/06

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.ryan, I don't stretch my words, but expound truth as the Holy Spirit instructs, just as Christ draws parallels in order to open understanding to the receiver of his words. But you say that you doubt, yet I do not, for I do note the stamps I receive on my deliveries. Enough said, for you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 9/22/06

Eloy, again you are making a stretch to compare the ingredients (Which I also read because I am concerned with what goes into my body) and a stamp. Someone else here commented that they do not pay attention to the postage on a parcel of mail and I doubt you thoroughly check the stamps on every letter you receive.
---Ryan on 9/22/06

Donna, A-men Donna, would to God that every single Man, Woman, and Child across the land become saved and a born-again Christian, in Jesus I pray. Amen.
---Eloy on 9/22/06

Ryan, I am always honest. Just because the stamp is small does not mean that people do not take notice of them. I am one of those who read the ingredients on the back of each item I purchase at the grocery store, because I care what I ingest into my body which is the temple of the Holy Ghost. And if I cannot read the ingredients then I do not buy the item. BTW there are many like us who will take note of small items like stamps, and the signification of the pictures and symbols upon them.
---Eloy on 9/22/06

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Eloy--I don't usually even notice the postage on my mail.
BUT if the letter that you send with your postage stamp lifts up Jesus and gives out His Living Word, THEN it may win someone for Jesus.
---Donna2277 on 9/21/06

Eloy, you are making a stretch at best attempting to compare a stamp to an article of clothing. Come on brother, let's be honest, I slap a stamp on a letter without even taking a second glance what picture is on it, stamps are pretty small and insignificant. But I pay much closer attention to my attire, I like to look presentable. Do you put every parcel of mail under a magnafying glass and examine it closely?
---Ryan on 9/21/06

donna, yes it is likely that a postage stamp having a Christian symbol could very well win someone to the Lord. I wear 3 different T-shirts with Christian symbols: the head of Christ; the crucifix; and his pierced hand dropping blood. I've received many questions and compliments because of them, and they are a catalyst for witnessing and planting the gospel seed. If you think idolatrous stamps are harmless, then perhaps you should wear idolatrous clothing and decorate your house with them as well.
---Eloy on 9/21/06

Ryan --For once we agree. I wouldn't like the stamps, myself. But I don't think people who buy (bought) them are promoting anything. Would using a Christian stamp win anybody to the Lord? Would using a Muslim stamp covert anybody to Islam? Not likely. I'd rather concentrate on things that make a difference.
---Donna2277 on 9/20/06

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Ryan, "He who laughs last, will last laugh." For what may seem trivial and trite to you, may have magnanimous consequences to furthering the kingdom of God. If you use a stamp which promotes idolatry and it causes just one soul to accept it, you are participating in leading that soul astray.
---Eloy on 9/20/06

Eloy, thank you for the joke I found your response very funny and I hac a good laugh, thanks again.
---Ryan on 9/20/06

Ryan, when standing before the throne Jesus may very well ask that question, "Why did you purchase that false religion stamp and use it, thereby promoting that idolatry to all who receive your stamp, rather than promote me? Why didn't you listen to my voice when I told you not to buy it, and to ask for another stamp?
---Eloy on 9/19/06

.madison, During the 7 day Kwanzaa celebration, there's the pouring the libation for their African ancestors, lighting of candles, raising names of ancestors (also called "ancestor worship"), and gift-giving. Karenga (founder) recognizes the "religion" of Kwanzaa in his book, Kawaida Theory, p. 25, saying the 7 principles come "from African religion" and lists it among other religions as Buddhism, Christianity, and Judaism in his section on positive functions of religion.
---Eloy on 9/18/06

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My point is do not let little things ruin your focus. Do you really think when you get to the pearly gates God will say, "OH, hey, I see you baught a stamp in 2006 protraying an Islamic symbol, depart from me." Come on this entire notion of 'I am holier than that' is rediculous and diverts attention from our true mission. It's petty and silly and deserves no attention from Christians who are led by the Spirit.
---Ryan on 9/17/06

mary-- I wondered, too, if this was an email hoax. But my favorite site for verifying/debunking such things says it is true. The stamps were printed in the Fall of 2001 and 2002, but I never saw one either!
---Donna2277 on 9/17/06

Eloy: Kwaanzaa is not a religious celebration, but a cultural celebration for African Americans, not Africans. To say otherwise is not truth.
---Madison1101 on 9/17/06

Ryan, if you were living in a Muslim country you would have to buy what was available there or not bother writing letters to anyone. People here are referring to U.S. postage stamps.
---M.P. on 9/17/06

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Personally, I will not accept them, but ask the clerk for another kind of stamp for my money, and they will oblige. I do not accept the Mary and Jesus stamp for catholics, nor the Hanukkah stamp for jews, nor the Kwanzaa stamp for africans; for I am a born-again Christian who worships Christ only, therefore I cannot promote false religions.
---Eloy on 9/17/06

Let them - who cares. The muslim holiday season is the same as the Christmas one -- they are both pagan.
---Helen_5378 on 9/17/06

USPS (United States Postal Service) creates a huge variety of stamps. I never hesitate to ask, "Do you have any other design in that denomination?" I like the ones that depict wildlife, plants or trees. I've also asked, "what choices do I have in a 39 cent stamp?" (unless I'm terribly rushed...then I say " May I have a hundred 39 cent stamps with the U.S. flag on them"). It's a matter of taste, not a moral statement.
---Donna2277 on 9/16/06

I think it's just a hoax and to be deleted with other junk mail; it's been going around forever and I haven't seen the supposed stamp yet so I don't think it's for real; feel free to correct me if I'm wrong :)
---Mary on 9/16/06

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So if you were a Christian living in a Muslim country would you refuse to buy services (like stamps) that were provided by the state that had symbols of Islam and Muslims?

Moderator: What is your point?
---Ryan on 9/16/06

I believe that would be U.S. Postal Service. (USPS)
---Bruce5656 on 9/16/06

Alan: USPS= United States Postal Service. It is our Postal System.
---Madison1101 on 9/16/06

Same thing you do for a stamp showing Channukah, or on Chinese New Year.
---Jack on 9/16/06

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Please all christians: refuse to buy those stamps. When they give them to you, look at them before you pay and make sure they are not muslim.
---shira_9639 on 9/16/06

How should Muslims react when the Christmas stamps come out with Mary and Jesus on them?
---Madison1101 on 9/16/06

USPS ... ?
For the sake of us poor bumpkins in the UK, can you tell us what that is?
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/16/06

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