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Fail To Keep The Commandments

Why do most christian sects fail to obey the Lord's commandments, especially keeping the Sabbath?

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"Let's face the facts, that belief only causes animosity among christians ..."

I don't have any animosity towards anyone.
---djconklin on 8/19/07


"Jesus sets the law a much deeper law into your inner most being - His law. '

You've got it!
---djconklin on 8/19/07


djconklin:
Romans 7:5-10
Paul makes it clear that he was alive outside of the law but when the law came, sin revived (came alive, was aroused, quickened) and he died. Sin took occasion by the commandment to deceive and slay him.
---Linda on 8/19/07


David {And the SDA carefully points out that this (the Mark of the Beast)will not happen till the end of time--}

In my opinion, that belief one of those teachings of demons.1Ti 4:1.

Let's face the facts, that belief only causes animosity among christians and without Ellen White you would not have that belief since there is nothing in the Scripture that states Christians who worship on Sundays will be condemned.
---MaryG on 8/19/07


I do not know. I do know God saids, "if you love me you will obey me". By no means does God save anyone and gives these people a licence to live sloppy, loose, lives. We are to stay awake and keep watch. All is in the word of God. Everyone will have to face God on Judgment Day and answer questions. I try not to worry much about other people's sins because I have enough of my own to look at. Still warnings should be heeded.
---catherine on 8/19/07




"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
found in verse 18: The law would not pass "till all be fulfilled." I'm sure you are familiar with the word "till." It means that the law of

Moses would last "up until" the time of its fulfillment
Jesus said the law would last only "till all be fulfilled"!
Jesus sets the law a much deeper law into your inner most being - His law.
---Andrea on 8/19/07


"in the New Covenant where we are told that the Law causes the offense to abound and actually quickens (rouses) the passions of lust in the flesh."

Please show us the verse that says that. I suspect that is a mistranslation of the Greek.
---djconklin on 8/19/07


"But don't you really bring negative criticism on yourself when you accuse Christians who deeply love the Lord that they will inherit the Mark of the Beast just cos they do not esteem one day over another by observing the Sabbath?"

I have never ever done that. And the SDA carefully points out that this will not happen till the end of time--at that time God says "Come out of her my people"--He knows who loves Him in the other churches.
---David on 8/19/07


Andrea: "but even SDA admits she plagerized (as much as 30%) - you doth protest too much"

I will always protest agaisnt lies. In this case, the SDA church never claimed that EGW plagiarized 30%. Dr. Veltmans's study (which started with an assumption of literary dependence) claims to have found that much--what a surprise! Found what you wanted to find! If they found one word in a sentence that was the same as someone else they counted it--would you?
---David on 8/19/07


Gina7, it is admirable how you try to get around that passage of Scripture. The laws written on our hearts are not the "ones written and engraven on stones" otherwise they would not have been "done away" because of the glory that excelleth. If God was going to take the ones written and engraven on stones and write them on our hearts, He would have had no need to do away with them. I have never known Him to be redundant, doing something without purpose.
---Linda on 8/18/07




The laws written on our hearts are the law of love, the law of faith, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, and the law of liberty. The commandments "written and engraven on stones" are called the "ministry of condemnation", not the "ministry of the Spirit". The letter kills, the Spirit gives life.
---Linda on 8/18/07


And before you say that the "moral law" reveals love for the neighbor, I challenge you to find that in the New Covenant where we are told that the Law causes the offense to abound and actually quickens (rouses) the passions of lust in the flesh. If it reveals love at all, it reveals that God loves us enough to reveal our deception.
---Linda on 8/18/07


God's love for us is not based on keeping or breaking the commandments. We love Him because He first loved us, even while we were yet sinners. Under grace, I have a new nature that is righteous and I don't even have a desire to steal, kill, commit adultery, etc. However, if I were still under the law, that same law would rouse the lusts of the flesh and cause me to desire to do the things it says not to do. Sin loses its dominion under grace. It retains its dominion under the law.
---Linda on 8/18/07


That is plain in the epistles of Paul to any one who will come with a desire to have the mind renewed to the truth. God did away with the "rule-based" way of relating to Him and brought relationship through Jesus Christ alone. A proper love relationship with God through Jesus Christ will result in the full expression of love in the believer. As soon as you start basing God's love for you on your keeping of the law, you have fallen from grace.
---Linda on 8/18/07


Verse 11 goes on to tell us that if that which was DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that remaineth is glorious. What does what is "written and engraven in stones" mean to you? How about "done away"?
---Linda on 8/18/07
What does "write them in their hearts" now mean to you? (Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16) How about "New Covenant"?
---Gina7 on 8/18/07


David ["we have seen many posts accusing us being anti-Christ, anti-Bible, anti-commandments, etc.)

But don't you really bring negative criticism on yourself when you accuse Christians who deeply love the Lord that they will inherit the Mark of the Beast just cos they do not esteem one day over another by observing the Sabbath?
---MaryG on 8/18/07


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WOW - GO DAVID!

but even SDA admits she plagerized (as much as 30%) - you doth protest too much.
---Andrea on 8/18/07


"we have seen many posts accusing us being anti-Christ, anti-Bible, anti-commandments, etc.

Well, you are anti-commandment--the 4th. I only know of one person here who has made any judgment of you and I slapped him down for it. On the other hand there are a large number of posts who accuse SDA's of being legalists for keeping the Sabnbath when we do it simply out of love for God for what He has done for us--and I haven't seen you, or anyone else, try to set these people straight.
---David on 8/18/07


"reflecting that ugly spirit that dwelt with Ellen White."

On of her foremost critics, D.M. Canright, called her a lovely Christian woman. I'm getting really sick and tired of reading these cheapshot lies. Stop listening to the idiots who told you this stuff--they don't know what they are talking about.
---David on 8/18/07


Robin, obviously you haven't read 2 Corinthians 3 either. That chapter makes it very clear what is done away and what remaineth. Verse 7 even says, "The ministration of death, written and engraven in stones......", thus making it clearly obvious to anyone who will read it what "law" it is talking about. Not even those who believe the law is divided into "moral" and "ceremonial" can refute which one is being spoken of here.
---Linda on 8/18/07


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Verse 11 goes on to tell us that if that which was DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that remaineth is glorious. What does what is "written and engraven in stones" mean to you? How about "done away"?
---Linda on 8/18/07


"Veltman, ... analyzed only the 1st 15 chapters of Desire of the Ages and found over 1/3 her writings depended upon others."

1st, he did NOT look at "the 1st 15 chapters," he took a representative sample. 2ndly, the number he came up with was 31% not "over 1/3" as you claimed--I have actually read his 2,222 page study. Thirdly, he started with that assumption, so it is no surprise that he found what he was looking for. EGW was not a plagiarist, period.
---David on 8/17/07


"those that believe that Christ alone is insufficient for their salvation but must add works such as Sabbath observance, dietary laws, etc."

In actual fact, the SDA church teaches that we are justified by faith, we are sanbctified by faith and that we will be glorified by faith. We call it righteousness by faith. Keeping the Sabbath holy as God commanded you will no more save you than not killing would save you. But, if you either you are a sinner and the wages of sin is death.
---David on 8/17/07


"did you ever find the time to read the Veltman report on Ellen White's plagarism"

I have read it and given your comments about it you haven't. Read page 48 in the introduction in which he explicitly tells you that he isn't looking at the plagiarism question. Odd how you managed to miss that.
---David on 8/17/07


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"The Sabbath, being an observance, is a ceremonial law that prefigured the rest of the believer in Christ."

The sabvbath is a moral law based on the prinicple of love. It was written by God, on stone and placed inside the Ark. The ceremonial laws were written by Moses and placed outside the Ark as a testimony against the people because of their sins.
---David on 8/17/07


Andrea, The law of the old covenant is the same law that God writes on our hearts in the new covenant. The difference is that they are now on our hearts and in our minds if we are in Christ Jesus.
-robin8683 on 8/17/07
Exactly. God's Holy 10 commandments are upheld from Genesis to Revelation. Hebrews 8:10 "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts" which is a direct quote from Jeremiah 31:33 lest you think it does not refer to the 10 commandments, which it does
---Gina7 on 8/17/07


Andrea, The law of the old covenant is the same law that God writes on our hearts in the new covenant. The difference is that they are now on our hearts and in our minds if we are in Christ Jesus.
---robin8683 on 8/17/07


Heb 8:6 now He ..obtained a more excellent covenant ... He is ..the mediator of a better covenant.... 8:7 if that first {covenant} had been faultless, ...
:8 DAYS ARE COMING, ... I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT ...
8:9 NOT LIKE THE COV.
WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS ON THE DAY WHEN I TOOK... OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT,... LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS...
8:13 "A new {covenant,}" He has made the first obsolete...ready to disappear.
---Andrea on 8/17/07


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Because they are Cults, God is not the Lord of their Life, they or their leader is.
---Marcia on 8/17/07


Lee, Ellen White did not claim that all of her writings came from her visions.
---robin8683 on 8/16/07


Lee, SDA's do not submit to God's will in order to receive salvation. They submit to His will because they love to do so and recognize the He alone has the ultimate authority over their lives.
---robin8683 on 8/16/07


In the age of Grace that we are NOW in, it's called *Obedience of FAITH*. The Just shall live by FAITH.
---kathr4453 on 7/31/07


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jana #4 extended.
Joshua 2:18
Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this line of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee.

Joshua 2:21
And she said, According unto your words, so be it. And she sent them away, and they departed: and she bound the scarlet line in the window.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/07


Jana - *No I didnt have time to read such Lee: If she has used part of his writings,...*

Then your defense is your opinions or those of others.

Veltman, a SDA scholar was hired to research Ellen White writings. He analyzed only the 1st 15 chapters of Desire of the Ages and found over 1/3 her writings depended upon others.

BUT she claimed everything came from her visions from God. Would that not make her a liar as well as bring into question everything else she said? I think so!
---lee on 2/8/07


jana - *u r still confused with the Mosaic Law of ordinances, sacrifices n ceremonials that is replaced by Christ The New Covenant*

Your confusion lies in the fact that you simply do not understand what a ceremonial law is. The Sabbath, being an observance, is a ceremonial law that prefigured the rest of the believer in Christ.

STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED OF GOD 2 Tim. 2:15.
---lee on 2/8/07


I doubt it Lee: u r still confused with the Mosaic Law of ordinances, sacrifices n ceremonials that is replaced by Christ The New Covenant. Christ is the New Covenant Lee. Remember that. He bcame the Sacrificial Lamb of God and no more animal sacrifices here. For Christ bcame that. Hence the New Covenant. You are still confused.
---jana on 2/8/07


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No I didnt have time to read such Lee: If she has used part of his writings, dont you think it complemented what she wrote so beautifully about the Lord? Noone, I repeat, noone has ever written of God as EGW did. Her reverence n adoration of God is seen thruout her writings.Remember this, satan never like anyone that uplifts the Lord..those who so attack EGW r with the enemy.
---jana on 2/8/07


jana - I have no difficulty understanding that Christians are under the New Covenant and not the Old Mosaic Covenant made only with the Hebrew nation nor do I have any problem understanding that the only law Christians are subject to is the law of Christ - something Adventists are incapable of understanding.

Of course this has always been the problem with those that believe that Christ alone is insufficient for their salvation but must add works such as Sabbath observance, dietary laws, etc.
---lee on 2/7/07


jana - did you ever find the time to read the Veltman report on Ellen White's plagarism or do you wish to stay in the dark and follow one whose chief mentor was a demon?
---lee on 2/7/07


Lee: you may understand the different laws but u r having difficulty in admitting it's difference for it will contradict your knowlege of the Word of God. Let God be judge brother, let God b judge indeed. Jesus is the law, Word and the truth.
---jana on 2/7/07


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Jerry, once again you manifest the condemning spirit of EGW: If slander is a measure of cultism, you and JohnT are ultra-cultists

What you have CONSISTENTLY failed to do is argue via Scriptural analysis from the ORIGINAL LANGUAGES anything refuting us proving SDA doctrines false.

Instead, you cherry pick, choosing unrelated verses to cobble a doctrine NEVER in Scripture, and ignore verses adjacent to your cherries that actually refute your heresy, shamelessly calling us names.
---John_T on 2/6/07


Jana
I agree with your comments.
God bless!
---DePuTy on 2/5/07


jana - Yes, I truly understand the difference between moral, ceremonial, civic laws and their purpose. But the problem you have is that you fail to realize that when the Bible, particularly the New Testament, speaks of law no differentiation is made at all. The law as a schoolmaster is just that, to lead us to Christ and once that is done we are justified by faith; not by law.Gal. 3.24.
---lee on 2/5/07


Jerry - *If slander is a measure of cultism as you claim, then you & JohnT are ultra-cultists.*

The reason we are careful to document our post from SDA literature or Scripture is to prove our contentions.

I have not see anyone accusing any Adventists personally of something that is simply not true but differ on issues.

On the other hand, we have seen many posts accusing us being anti-Christ, anti-Bible, anti-commandments, etc. reflecting that ugly spirit that dwelt with Ellen White.
---lee on 2/5/07


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jana - *God loves humankind n thats why He gave us the 10C laws*

Again you are in error.

God loves us and gave us Jesus.

John 3:16,18 For God so loved the world, {Or For this is how God loved the world} that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life....

Jesus born of a woman under the law came to "To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons (& daughters).Galatians 4:5
---lee on 2/5/07


Lee: weak thru the law of sacrifices n ceremonials.Understand the different laws brother. God loves humankind n thats why He gave us the 10C laws. When we follow these laws, we are protected from the results of doing sinful things. The same 10Cs show us the holiness of God's character in contrast2 our own sinfulness. Whe we c that, we accept JC n obey the law, we find true happiness.As long as the sun's shining n the earth is solid bneath our feet, God's laws will never changed....to continue
---jana on 2/5/07


Lee:ceremonial laws/that pointed/2the coming Messiah were/abolished when/JC died, but the/10Cs r/as permanent as/the throne of/God. JCs/life proved/that humans can/keep God's/laws. Those who/break them/supports satans/claim that the/law cant/b obeyed or done/away. 2allow them/in2 heaven would/just bring rebellion n/war 2the/universe again. None/who disregards even/1 ofGod's laws is/safe 2save.The greatest error/humans accepted in JC's day was/that simply agreeing 2truth made a person righteous n/holy...
---jana on 2/5/07


Lee: Learning to love will expand their hearts and minds, allowing them to understand more about God, love more like God, and become more like God. Do you still say this is EGW talk and not of God's..It is you that slanders brother not me. U have name called EGW several times n thats slandering a dead person. As king Solomon said, your talk is all wind.
---jana on 2/5/07


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Lee: If slander is a measure of cultism as you claim, then you and JohnT are ultra-cultists.

You asked me to go to the Hebrew. I did, and then responded that in Gen 1, ereb boqer = yom. Thus, evening/morning (literally dawn/dusk) does indeed mean a literal 24-hour day. Now you say "No, it doesn't, but rather means twice daily sacrifices." Check your Hebrew again. Dan 8:14 cannot be translated as "sacrifices." You now are guilty of the error of which you & Johnny accuse me.
---jerry6593 on 2/5/07


DePuTy - Jesus in Mt. 5:17-19 was speaking of the Old Covenant law. If not, then why do we read in Hebrews that Christ "obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second." (8:6-7)

If the Old Covenant laws were still in effect, then what need would there be for a new and better covenant?
---lee on 2/4/07


DePuTy - *Jesus speaking "DO NOT think that I have come to ABOLISH the Law or the prophets; I have NOT come to ABOLISH them but to fulfill them.*

The meaning of this text hinges on the meaning of the words 'law' and 'fulfill'.

Does law refer to the 10 commandments or the whole Old Covenant?

Does 'fulfill' mean 'do & keep on doing' or does it mean 'do' in the sense that when it is done, it is accomplished & no longer needs to be done again?
---lee on 2/4/07


DePuTy - I believe interpretation of Mt. 5:17-19 is that Jesus taught that the whole law, including what is written in the Torah (10 commandments) is to remain in force 'until all is fulfilled'. By His life, death & resurrection, Jesus fulfilled all the old covenant law & prophecies concerning Him so this law is no longer binding on Christians.
---lee on 2/4/07


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DePuTy - w/r/t Mt 5:17-19, take a peek at the following verse (19)"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, & teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven..."

What would be 'the least of the commandments'? This would not be the Sabbath or the other 9 but all 613 found in the Old Testament, agree?

The smallest 'jot or tittle' would certainly include the ceremonial laws as well, would they not?
---lee on 2/4/07


Brother Lee
Matthew 5:17-20
"Jesus speaking "DO NOT think that I have come to ABOLISH the Law or the prophets; I have NOT come to ABOLISH them but to fulfill them.
I tell you the truth, UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEAR, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen.."

Why do you make Jesus' statement so complicated? GOD does not complicate his word, on the contrary-he makes it easy to understand so that we may be SAVED! Take the context for what its worth.
---DePuTy on 2/4/07


Lee..exactly, u said"with the New Covenant/Jesus Christ introduced, the old/old sacrificial system became obsolete" Jesus is the New Covenant Lee, the old system no longer exist. It did not take away with it the 10Moral Laws of God. Jesus is the Law, He is the Word John 1:1,2 so how can it be made obsolete. The 10laws r a transcript of His character that we need 2 conform to.
---jana on 2/4/07


Brother LEE
I respect your View and interpretation, But understand that GOD made his Word (bible) easy to understand. GOD wants people to be Saved, not confused!
Take the scripture for what it's worth.
GOD is EVER knowing, nothing escapes him nor hides from him. By praying directly at him, one RESPECTS and acknowledges him. By praying to Mary one emplies that Mary has more power than GOD. Christ = GOD! Christ is the only mediator between GOD and Man. God Bless!
---DePuTy on 2/4/07


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Mark 15-42=== It was now the evening before the Sabbath. Luke 4-16== Jesus as usual he went to the meeting place on the Sabbath.
---CATHERINE on 2/4/07


jerry6593 - *Do you now admit that Dan 8:14 means 2300 literal 24-hour days? Yes or no?*


NO, I do not believe the text supports that. There were two daily sacrifices at the tabernacle & temple daily, one in the morning and the other in the evening.

It is easy to see why so very many SDA scholars and pastors had problems with the SDA Investigative Judgment.
---lee on 2/4/07


jana - *jerry, Lee is mighty full of bad gas for EGW n SDAs ... he is spiritually blinded by his hatred 4 all truth...pray 4 him...*

One thing that that clearly characterizes cultists is that they continually slander people. Some, I am sure, would not recognize the Truth if Jesus were standing in front of them.
---lee on 2/4/07


Martin - very true that many accused Paul of being an antinomian - one who denies the validity of moral laws, as they could not understanding how one can live by faith alone.(Romans 1:17)

Romans 8:2-3 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
---lee on 2/4/07


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Amen DePuty.Jesus is the supreme Authority and Paul's arguments pertaining to the Law and Faith are misinterpreted due to lack of knowledge and being taken out of context.This was even done in Paul's day: see Romans 3:8.Even then people were saying Paul promotes evil(lawlessness)and he personally condemned them.
---Martin on 2/4/07


DePuTy - *...what ceased were sacrifices, thats why he is called "The Lamb of GOD".

If the sacrificial laws were accomplished then everything that pre-figured Christ also would be accomplished, and would that not also include the Sabbath as well as all the ceremonial laws?

With the New Covenant introduced, the Old was declared OBSOLETE (Hebr 8:13) and that is why you do not see any command in the NT to observe the Sabbath nor do we see breaking it as a sin anyplace in the NT.
---lee on 2/4/07


DePuTy - *By Jesus stating "UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEAR, not the smallest letter,...will by any means disappear from the LAW until everything is ACCOMPLISHED."*

Did HEAVEN & EARTH DISAPPEAR when Christ accomplished His mission at the Cross ending the sacrificial system?

Gal 4:4-5 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
---lee on 2/4/07


jerry, Lee is mighty full of bad gas for EGW n SDAs ... he is spiritually blinded by his hatred 4 all truth...pray 4 him...
---jana on 2/4/07


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Lee: I have to procede very slowly with you and Johnny; just one step at a time. Do you now admit that Dan 8:14 means 2300 literal 24-hour days? Yes or no?
---jerry6593 on 2/4/07


Lee
What you're saying CAN'T be!
By Jesus stating "UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEAR, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the LAW until everything is ACCOMPLISHED."
He makes it clear The COMMANDS will stand until the 'END of the AGE' found in Revelation, what ceased were sacrifices, thats why he is called "The Lamb of GOD".
Fulfill also means: carry out order, to do what is necessary to carry out a request or command.
---DePuTy on 2/3/07


Jerry - logically if you accept the fact that one evening & morning is only one day then instead of 2300 days equated to 2300 years you would have only half that number and that would clearly foil up the 1844 prediction. No 2300 years, thus no 1844, thus no Investigate judgment.
The evening & mornings refers to those daily sacrifices performed at the temple.

Sorry Jerry you are really out of gas on this one, all you have is a misinterpretation promoted by Ellen White & Co.
---lee on 2/3/07


Lee: Thanks for trying to help. Again, I agree that the Hebrew of Dan 8:14 says "evenings and mornings," but you must admit that this expression is identical to what we call 24-hour "days;" as is defined in the Gen 1 equivalence "the evening and the morning WERE the _____ day." Or mathematically: ereb boqer = yom. To join with John T in debating such a non-issue is beneath your intelligence.
---jerry6593 on 2/3/07


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lEE Gal6:2Help 2carry one another's burdens,n in this u will obey the laws of Christ. The golden rule Mat7:12 calls upon every follower of Christ 2 consider another's problems as if they were his own.Grace of God make possible2 apply principle under all circumstances. Love is motivating force of doing good n obey laws. John14:15"If u love me, keep my commandments
---jana on 2/3/07


Mt. 5:17-19 Jesus clearly teaches that the whole law (inc. all that is written in the books of Moses, the Torah), is to remain in force 'until all is fulfilled.' By His life, death, & resurrection Jesus fulfilled all the Old Covenant law (& prophecies) so this law is no longer binding on Christians. The Old Covenant law here includes the 10 commandments. 'Fulfill' here means the event was done once & needs not be done again.
---lee on 2/2/07


The FULFILLMENT of the LAW
Matthew 5:17-20
Jesus speaking "DO NOT think that I have come to abolish the Law or the prophets; I have NOT come to ABOLISH them but to fulfill them.
I tell you the truth, UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEAR, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen (everything written in the Bible), will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished (End of the Age-Revelation).

It's clear the 10 COMMANDMENTS from the O.T. STILL STAND!
---DePuTy on 2/2/07


DePuTy - *BUT, ALL of his other COMMANDS stand!*

For the Christian the only command that stands is the Law of Christ.

1 Cor 9:21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.

Gal 6:2 Bear one anothers burdens, & so fulfill the law of Christ.

In knowing Christ the Holy Spirit works within to cause us to desire & to do His will. Phil 2:13.


---lee on 2/2/07


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DePuTy - *Apperantly you must think you know more than GOD!*

Glad that you recognize that I know the Bible - a book that I have studied for the past 40 years as well as taking courses from various institutions.

Of course, without knowing the Author all education would be fruitless. Like Paul, I also count all my accomplishments (in the religious realm) as so much dung that I may gain (or embrace) Christ. Phil 3:8
---lee on 2/2/07


Lee.
Thanks for correcting me on the commands!
But the bottom line is JOHN 1:1&2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with GOD, and the Word was GOD. He was with GOD in the beginning.
(Verse 14)
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
Word = Christ, Christ = GOD.
In other words, GOD sacrificed himself to help us get to heaven. This does away with sacrificing animals; BUT, ALL of his other COMMANDS stand. Apperantly you must think you know more than GOD!
---DePuTy on 2/2/07


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