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What Is God's Grace

What is "God's Grace"? Does It have "Conditions or not"? Does God's Grace mean that a Christian can't Backslide? Or does it mean that if they have "unrepentant sin" in their life, they are "still saved" and on their way to Heaven?

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Ramon::How long did it take Eve to backslide into sin she was full of Grace one second & the next she was in deep sin,big trouble Faster than electricity.Why does God allow the devil to tempt us.To prove our love to Him & our strength to resist the wiles of Satan.AS God & Man he proved that in the desert.
---Emcee on 9/30/07


Sister CATHERINE, Yes, I totally agree. Amen. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/6/07


OH, YES, MRS. MORGAN===I was referring to born-again believers. THAT we should, more than what we do, examine ourselves to see if there is any unrepenting sin in our lives.
---CATHERINE on 2/6/07


(1.)CATHERINE, Yes, God expects for us to examine ourselves with His saving Word/Truth. Just saying I love the Lord & I'm saved, isn't going to cut it, one must remain in the Truth. I can remember my rebellious days, and I'm glad that I didn't die like that[in lukewarmness and sin](Luke 13:3)(Ezekiel 18:4b), I chose life/TRUTH, submitted to the Lord/His Word, this must [truly] be ones hearts desire, or else ALL is in vain.
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/6/07


(2.)CATHERINE, The Word is our [life] our heavenly instruction Book on how to live, and I treasure It more than anything! (John 5:39)(John 15:1-7)(John 17:17)(John 18:37)(1 John 2:4-6)(2 Timothy 3:16,17)(Psalm 119:11,105)(Psalm 139:23,24)(Revelation 16:15)(Revelation 22:14,15) . God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/6/07




(I.)"As Christians we can still sin." --Of Course backsliding is possible, but , we are not "permitted" by God to sin, those who do so without true godly repentance are not overlooked by God. Sin and death are one in the same, just like Eternal Life and Truth are the same, thus we must continue to [abide in] God's Truth, if we are to be partakers of His eternal life.
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/6/07


(II.)JIM, Jesus brought overcoming power over the works of the enemy, and we must abide in Him/The Word to partake of [His] power(our own power simply don't work) to be overcomers of the world/sin(1 John 5:4,17-21), sin doesn't have any dominion over a [true] child of God. Jim, Any unrepented mortal willful-sin(a sin that is unto death) will keep one out of Heaven. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/6/07


THAT is exactly why we should lay in bed at night and examine ourselves. I have to admit, I am weak in that area too.We should ask God whether or not there is any sin in our lives that we have not dealt with. Sin, God hates. never be found guilty of just sweeping, or ignoring sin, away.
---CATHERINE on 2/6/07


(1.)Mima, Jesus came to purify people, Only the Holy Ghost can remove all the spots wrinkles and blemishes in one's life, ONLY as one [truly] yields/submits to Him. People can go on "fasts" and get no where with God if they don't ALLOW the Holy Spirit freedom and liberty in their lives, that is Biblical.(2 Peter 3:14). Mima, the Paul that you erroneously claimed was the chief of sinner's [after] conversion said this...
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/6/07


(2.)Mima,...about those who [consistently] speak/live contrary to the [saving] Blood-gospel of Christ: "a man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition REJECT;knowing that he that is such is subverted,and sinneth,being condemned of himself". Mima, That doesn't sound like Paul was [still] the chief of sinner's [after] his conversion. The man was strict about [God's]holiness, because he ALLOWED the Holy Ghost to lead him to be that way,just like any other [true] child of God.
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/6/07




Mrs.Morgan....we as christians have righteousness through Jesus Christ and what he accomplished for us on the cross.Being in Christ and having Faith in Him alone we receive GODS Grace.If we sin the Holy Spirit convicts us and we ask our Father for forgiveness.As Christians we can still sin.The real question is,do you ask for forgiveness and continue to follow CHRIST.
---JIM on 2/6/07


Anyone who does not have "unrepentant sin" in their lives needs to take a picture of themselves and put it on the wall, for you are truly one-of-a-kind.
---Mima on 2/6/07


Ephesians 5:2-7 "And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.....5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.6Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
---Matthew on 2/5/07


(Galations 5:19-21)Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not Inherit the kingdom of God.
---Matthew on 2/5/07


God's grace is Jesus Christ; God's grace is his benevolence, goodness, mercy, pity, and lovingkindness. No one can be forgiven if they stay in their sin, because forgiveness requires leaving the sin and joining to the Lord and his righteousness. All who choose to dis God, he has wrath and he hates with perfect hatred. He made a very real everlasting firey hell for those whom he hates. Please read Gal.6:7; Psal.11:5; 34:16; Hos.9:15; Mar.11:15-17; Mal.1:2,3; Rom.9:13; John 3:3,5,19-21,36; Rev.14:9-11.
---Eloy on 2/5/07


Falling away does not contradict the scriptures you have given, Lisa. The way God holds onto and doesn't let go of a believer is referring to true believers. Those who abide in Christ and don't run from obedience and the truth. The Bible says you are either obedient or disobedient. Obedience leads to righteousness and disobedience leads to death.
---Matthew on 2/5/07


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(2.)It's not normal to desire "other" gospels,those who initially did, never got saved, because those "other" gospel CAN'T save, only the true saving [Blood]-gospel of Christ [saves].Paul said: "For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ". These are the last days and I pray that those who are dead to righteousness and slumbering will wake up before it's too late!God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/5/07


(1.)It has become very popular nowadays in the Christian World for ministers to peddle perverted versions of the [saving] TRUE gospel of Christ(Galatians 1:6-10). Those that turn to "other" gospels, pollute their mind/reasoning & their spirit, and some were never saved in the first place, no real conversion took place just a [counterfeit] conversion of only "going through the motions" so to speak...
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/5/07


Morgan" You again say the devil is raging and has many bound" You are again speaking of Satan to another believer More. You Keep bringing the devil into our questions and answers when you don't agree with anyone. I put down Scriptures for you that are from God's Word, do you say they are a lie? Does God lie? Please answer the questions since it is you who say's we are wrong. You cannot disprove what God says because it is the Word of God, that is why.
---lisa on 9/26/06


Okebaram ,(2.)their fruits bear witness to that,they hate the Truth so much that they choose to follow a "distorted version of It",because it"better suits them".God's Frown and judgment is upon those who dare to try to Distort His Truth.False Minister's/Teachers are "wolves in sheeps clothing",speading poison,peddling half-truths and lies and calling it "God's Word", They are in serious trouble.God will help the honest hearted to understand His Truth.
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/26/06


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Okebaram , (1.)Very will put, God Bless you for being bold in speaking God's Truth, He will reward you for that dear one. As long as you speak God's Truth, expect much protest, for the devil is raging and has many bound with his deceit/confusion/lies/false doctrine. Most "hate the Truth", because "the Truth is not in them(So God can not receive them like that, they must first receive the Truth, then Abide in It, Continue in It by yielding to God Almighty)"...
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/26/06


Ramon, I used to believe like you did very adamantly. I came to change my mind because the Bible was so clear I realized I was wresting scriptures and was not fully comprehending what I was reading. Once I got a firm grasp, I realized our salvation is secure if we are truly born-again. You have 20+ scriptures you are twisting to disprove osas, but I know you are not reading them correctly. It's ok.
---tofurabby on 9/26/06


5. They don't just disagree, they hate it with a passion like no other. Why? Can you answer me why someone would hate another because he believes he is saved forever because he is trusting in Christ? They go so far as calling them names. Evil ones at that. Morgan goes as far as bringing the devil into our debates. That how far she will go. It is competely sick. From a person that speaks of been sinless no less.
---lisa on 9/25/06


4/ or how anyone can dispute this passages and just disregard them completely. You are talking about half of the Scripture. Jesus very words, God's very words. Not some kind of hermeneutics are needed. Where does the Christian put his faith? On what does He hold himself as a Christian? What really makes him one? There is no hope in the words of those that believe you can lose it. What hope is there to believe in our own works? none at all. Why do they hate people that have their hopes in Christ alone?
---lisa on 9/25/06


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3. who (will sustain you to the end,guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowhsip of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord." How about 2 Tim. 4:18 "The Lord will rescue me from every evil and save me for His heavenly kingdom. To Him be the glory for ever and ever. Amen." Now you say there is only a couple of verses that speak for OSAS, but I have hundreds of them Ramon, let me say, for the life of me, I don't know what
---lisa on 9/25/06


2. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give them eternal life, and they "shall never perish," and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." or how about 1 Cor. 1:7-9; ...so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord jesus Christ;
---lisa on 9/25/06


Ramon, do you believe, "For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my stedfast love shall not depart from you, and My covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the Lord, who has compassion on you" Jeremiah 32:12-14 "I will make with them an everlasting covenant, that I will not turn away from doing good to them; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts, that they may not turn from me." how about John 10:27-30;
---lisa on 9/25/06


Grace is a reward. Perfect grace is unconditional. But grace isn't salvation...it's just the FREE PROVISION (OR AVAILABILITY) of salvation. So rejecting salvation, will be rejecting grace and condemning oneself to destruction. Salvation requires works as well as grace, so yes a Christian can backslide.
---Okebaram on 9/25/06


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Toruabby. Romans 8 are used by many and some say "nakedness" means sin. Again what wont separtate us does not include sin. So no it does include everything in that verse. Notice the word sin is not there.
---Ramon on 9/25/06


Tofuarbby. One can believe and then go into a state of unbelief. Scriptures make this very clear. Again you take a couple of scriptures out of context to make a point. But you take the whole bible out of context. Scriptures need to be compare with other scriptures. Which you dont do. Again osas is based upon a few of scriptures that has misunderstood.
---Ramon on 9/25/06


6. And someone else would do the same and so God is failing all over the place and cannot finish His work because men don't let Him. And Christ death was not good enough, it needed your help to get you that salvation. Now, how silly is that Ramon. If you believe in a Sovereign God, then you know no actions of men will defeat His purpose and plan. In fact He has seen it all already. All at one shot. This is the God I worship.
---lisa on 9/25/06


5. Would God save you and then leave you by yourself to work out your own salvation? Of course not, you would never be able to do it. Sin is in the world and you will be tempted over and over and sooner rather then later you will fail no matter how holy you think you are. In any other theory, God would save someone, then by your actions, you would undo what God had done, and by doing so, you frustrate His very plan for your life. You would have defeated God with your own actions,
---lisa on 9/25/06


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4. You also answered your questions to tufurraby when explaining to preservere, you said, "to endure means to remain, not to recede or flee, to preserve under misfortunes and trails and to hold one's faith in Christ," that is what we are saying Ramon. But what we are saying is that you cannot do it without the Spirit of God involve in your life. You are not left hanging there all by yourself.
---lisa on 9/25/06


Tufurabby.#10 Yes Paul said he could his lose his savlation. Are you better than him?.
Mark 13:13.Persverance in the faith and endurance in our loyalty to Christ is a Scriptural definition of the kind of faith neccary for final salvation. Faith means also being obedience to Jesus Christ and His word. It also means following Jesus Commandments (etc). There are 20+ scriptures that disprove osas. Sorry. Better Luck next time.
---Ramon on 9/25/06


3. "Awake, thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall shine upon thee." Eph. 5:14, "Ya therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Matt. 5:48. He doesn't say you may or may not be perfect. We believe this by faith Ramon. Of course man's self-imposed inability in the moral sphere does not free him from obligation. He has to act but he does it because of that faith.
---lisa on 9/25/06


2. we are commanded to do many things that we are not capable of doing by ourselves. In numerous places in Scripture, God commands things which in their own strength they are utterly unable to do. The man with the withered hand was commanded to stretch it forth. The paralytic was commanded to arise and walk; the sick man to arise, take up his bed and walk. The dead Lazarus was commanded to come forth. Men are commanded to believe; yet faith is said to be the "gift of God".
---lisa on 9/25/06


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Ramon, Romans 8:35-39. You pick the word nakedness to dispute these scriptures and say that I take things out of context? What about the rest of it? "neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." I think he covered pretty much everything.
---tofurabby on 9/25/06


Ramon, I don't know where I lost you, but let me say it again to you. We are children of God, His promise. We are given the Spirit of God, His promise. We believe in Christ only because He gives us the faith to believe. This faith is not of ourselves. It is given to every new creature born of the Spirit by grace. No lost person has this faith. Not one of them for if they did, they would all be saved already and wouldn't need the grace of God to be saved.
---lisa on 9/25/06


=4= He is preaching the gospel, not of himself, and thereby obtaining the incorruptable crown. v.18 "What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel." v.19 "I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more." Sounds like there are rewards involved to me.
---tofurabby on 9/25/06


=3= v.11 "If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?", v.14 "they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel." v.16 "for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!" 17 "For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward" v.18 "What is my reward then?" v.23 "this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you." cont.
---tofurabby on 9/25/06


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=2= we both agreed that he is speaking of the incorruptable crown. In context, he is answering those who are examining him v.3. Then a reocurring theme appears, that he shall partake of what he is preaching. v.7 "who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof?", v.9 "thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn.", v.10 "he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope." cont.
---tofurabby on 9/25/06


Morgan you said, "Most Christians give people more consideration/respect then they give God." this are your very words every time you speak. You give men more consideration then you do God. That is the very reason I answer your statements. You, its always about you. No where is God involve in your spiritual life, no where. Its always about you. I myself said, the day you realize that without Christ you can do nothing is the day you will give the glory to God.
---lisa on 9/25/06


2 Timothy 2:12 "if we deny him, he also will deny us:" This verse is definately clear. It gives us a straightforward answer to what happens if we do not accept Christ. It does not apply to a person that has accepted Christ, which is explained in the first half of the verse, "we shall also reign with him". It does not mention backsliding.
---tofurabby on 9/25/06


Tufurabby. #9. You can yell all you want but scriptures doesn't teach OSAS. 1 Corinthians 3:16,17.The word temple is a metaphor. It means the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ. So ourselves are the temple with the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. To defile the temple means to lead away from the state of holiness in which you ought to abide.
---Ramon on 9/25/06


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Tufurabby.#8. Philippians 2:12,13. The verb for work out also means to perform, accomplish, achieve, to fashion i.e. render one fit for a thing. Either way you look at it, this is something that we are told to do.

While Christ purchased our salvation and offers it to us as a free gift, there still is a part that we must do if salvation is to be completed in our case. Paul believe this and so should we. We got to endure to the end!.
---Ramon on 9/25/06


Tufurabby.#7.Romans 8:35-39 ? Where did you get the idea this mean OSAS? No where does this talk about you being safe from your own sin. The word nakedness in Romans 8:35 does not mean sin.The word occurs 3 times in the NT. In 2 Cor. 11:27, Paul speaks of being "in fastings often, in cold and nakedness." It has the same definition here.

So that is what won't separate you from the love of God, it is not your sin.
---Ramon on 9/25/06


Tufurabby.#6 Matthew 24:13-Part of the meaning of the word saved, from the Greek word sozo, is to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgement. The word that Jesus Christ spoke will judge in the last day (John 12:48). This being saved is clearly conditional. We must endure to the end.
To endure means to remain, not to recede or flee, to preserve under misfortunes and trials, to hold fast to one's faith in Christ, to bear bravely and calmly ill treatments.
---Ramon on 9/25/06


Tufuabby.#5 It's the same word here: If we endure, we shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us - 2 Timothy 2:12. We must endure through whatever comes our way all the way until we die with Him in our lives, then we will live and reign with Him. If we wind up denying Him before the time of our death, you can't get around the word of God here, He will deny us.
---Ramon on 9/25/06


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Tufuabby.#3.Other times the word (the Greek word adokimos) is used in the NT, it's talking about the lost (2 Cor. 13:5-7 , 2 Tim. 3:8 , Titus 1:16).
So since Paul was aware of the danger of not being approved and becoming lost, we also should be careful. Paul was being careful by when he disciplined himself and brought his body into subjection. That means he made himself to be a slave subject to stern and rigid discipline. Paul didn't believe in OSAS has this verse and other prove that.
---Ramon on 9/25/06


Tufuarbby.#2.Paul was talking about being disqualified to receive the prize of the imperishable crown (received in eternal life) as the 2 previous verses in the Bible explain. Tufuarbby left out the 2 previous verse. Why will someone do that? Unless he trying to fit the "OSAS theory".
Instead of disqualified in the NKJV, the KJV has castaway. It also means reprobate, rejected, not standing the test, not approved, that which does not prove itself such as it ought.
---Ramon on 9/25/06


tofurabby. It is you who taking scriptures out-of-context to fit your "OSAS" theory in.
"No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize".
Paul was refering to the "prize", the "incorruptible crown(v 24)". So one can see how Tofurabby has twist this scripture. He want you to believe the "incorruptible crown" is actually "other rewards".
---Ramon on 9/25/06


#2 lisa, Are we than saying, that at some point in the process of securiing your salvation you cease to work that salvation out in 'fear and trembeling'(Phl 2:12)? God bless you sister.
---Ryan on 9/25/06


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#1 lisa, of course God knows whos names are in the Lambs Book of Life, we don't. We are told to be cautious of wolves in sheeps clothing, to have oil for our lamp, share our talents with one another (The problem here is there is too much bickering for people to share because, flesh is so critical), listen to the Masters voice, and we will know each other by our fruit.
---Ryan on 9/25/06


Helen::Did you know that in quoting 1JN5;16-17you have just explained purgatory?without using the word & also to pray for those who died in venial sin-"God will give life"
---Emcee on 9/25/06


Ramon, Most Christian's give people more consideration/repect then they give God Almighty! They actually "make excuses" for disobeying His Word, What a shame!
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/25/06


(2.) Jesus didn't come for people to "hide behind Him", make "excuses for their sinning", No He didn't! He came to destoy the works of the devil, He came to deliver people from the bondage of sin, to provide them with overcoming power in regard to the works of satan, through His Divine Blood .OSAS believers try to "hide behind Jesus", but Jesus says: "get thee behind me satan! Ye worker's of iniquity(sin)", your father is satan. Most Christian's need to wake up!
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/25/06


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=2= Romans 7:14-25 Paul writes about the war between his carnal flesh and his mind. The carnal flesh even causes him to show disgust by proclaiming "O wretched man that I am!". "So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." then through chapter 8 he details how "if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." Ending with "nothing can separate us".
---tofurabby on 9/25/06


Ramon, You are using Matthew 24:13 out of it's context. Jesus is speaking about signs of the end of the world and the people in this verse are those who missed the rapture and will have to endure the tribulation. Its also funny that you quote 1 Cor. 9:27 but arent looking at it's context either. He is telling us our focus should be on the incorruptable crown and that he practices what he preaches. He isnt saying he can lose salvation, but telling us how to achieve greater reward.
---tofurabby on 9/25/06


He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin (I John 3:8,9).
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/25/06


5. But since God is unlimited in these and all other resources, no unforeseen emergencies can arise, and to Him the causes for change have no existence. To suppose that His plans fail and that He strives to no effect, is to reduce Him to the level of His creatures. How wrong their thinking is. God is Sovereign and Lord of all His creation, and nothing can frustrate any of His plans for mankind.
---lisa on 9/25/06


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4. Morgan and Eloy assume that God is working through time and that the serious intentions of God may in some cases at least be defeated, and that man, who is not only a creature but a sinful creature, can exercise "veto" power over the plans of Almighty God, is in striking contrast with the Biblical idea of His immeasurable exaltation by which He is removed from all the weaknesses of humanity. That the plans of men are not always executed is due to a lack of power, or lack of wisdom;
---lisa on 9/25/06


3. No one enters heaven with sin. People die, they stop sinning. They wait for the judgement and the rewards. The lost have been condemned already, the believers will be judge by their works through life. The more suffering for Christ the more the rewards. God already knows the rewards each one will get and knows the destiney of each one. He is Sovereign, and nothing surprises Him for He gains no knowledge, He is all knowing.
---lisa on 9/25/06


2. and provides the ablility, and the conviction to keep you on the path and when you do fail you will recognize that you did wrong and you correct your mistakes, but it is alway God helping you through the Holy Spirit. Without the Spirit you cannot and will not even think of God. God gets the glory Ryan not Morgan or Eloy. They are who they are only because of Christ. Whenever you hear that God is helping them, then they will acknowledg that it is only because of God.
---lisa on 9/25/06


2. and provides the ablility, and the conviction to keep you on the path and when you do fail you will recognize that you did wrong and you correct your mistakes, but it is alway God helping you through the Holy Spirit. Without the Spirit you cannot and will not even think of God. God gets the glory Ryan not Morgan or Eloy. They are who they are only because of Christ. Whenever you hear that God is helping them, then they will acknowledg that it is only because of God.
---lisa on 9/25/06


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1. Ryan, salvation produces works. It is the Spirit of God helping you to produce good works. It is the results of Christ in you. Everyone that speaks against OSAS, always speak of sin. They don't agree with OSAS so they keep saying, "they are save and want to sin" or "they think they can be saved and continue to sin" for one, everyone sins. The new believer is not converted to holiness in a second Ryan. He is been change through his life. It is God in him that provides the help and
---lisa on 9/25/06


Ryan, salvation produces works. It is the Spirit of God helping you to produce good works. It is the results of Christ in you. Everyone that speaks against OSAS, always speak of sin. They don't agree with OSAS so they keep saying, "they are save and want to sin" or "they think they can be saved and continue to sin" for one, everyone sins. The new believer is not converted to holiness in a second Ryan. He is been change through his life. It is God in him that provides the help and
---lisa on 9/25/06


Mrs.Morgan
#3. Just like you would with your own child,You would discipline him. The same for those who are Born Again and belong to the Lord.
I'm sorry you live under a conditional love.
I'm sorry you don't know God's Love.
I'm sorry all your questions on this blog have to do with conditions.
I'm sorry you don't have discernment to know just because someone says they are a Christian, you're so gullable to believe it, and in being gullable you accuse those who truly belong to the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 9/24/06


Mrs.Morgan #2
It's part of the reasoning together. Say your child borrowed your car in the middle of the night, got drunk,&landed in jail. Do you completely disown him? Do you take him to court and legally have him removed permanently from your memory or the womb that you carried him?
Did you know the New Covenent is a legal contract sealed in the Blood of Jesus?These promises are legally binding between The Father,Son and Holy Spirit. We are bought and paid for. We BELONG to the Lord. next
---kathr4453 on 9/24/06


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Mrs. Morgan;Actually God's Grace has no conditions. As far as sin, yes they are on their way to heaven. Those sin's were taken care of 2000 years ago at Calvary. Here is how it works. The Lord knows EVERYTHING about us, from beginning to end. He Knew those sins were there or that a person was going to do whatever he or she may have done, or even what they may not have done. Confessing our sin, is actually acknowledging to God, that we agree with Him, what we have done is wrong. next
---kathr4453 on 9/24/06


If a Christian died with unconfessed sin, it depends entirely on what that sin is. There is sin that does lead to death (Galatians 5:19-21; and 1 Corinthians 6:9,10). There is also sin that does not lead to death (1 John 5:16,17).
---Helen_5378 on 9/24/06


Emcee."I loved & lived with my wife for 54 continueous years.She died 5 years ago." I'm so sorry to hear that.

No I dont believe in OSAS. It doesn't fit in with scriptures."But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved".Matthew 24:13. Paul didn't believe this either(1 Corinthians 9:27,etc).Also all the scriptures use by osas "supporters" are taken out-of-context. And did you see the new trick these supporters are using?(Rightly saved, always saved(RSAS).
---Ramon on 9/24/06


Ramon:Thanks for your confidence.Do you believe is OSAS??I loved & lived with my wife for 54 continueous years.She died 5 years ago.
---Emcee on 9/23/06


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Emcee.#2."she was full of Grace one second & the next she was in deep sin,big trouble Faster than electricity".

Yes she was full of grace one second and the next she was doom. See how fast that was? The serpert tempted Eve, and she gave in. They are some here who believe you can do evil, live a a unholy life, and still be saved!. How wrong there are!. Thats why Christ wrong people about falling away and thus losing his/her salvation, but some dont really believe Christ. Its a Shame.
---Ramon on 9/23/06


Emcee."One question does your wife & children believe that you love them on your word alone? Or do you have to prove & show that you really care at ALL times, not just say & walk away or vice versa?"

Of course you have to show that Love. Showing that love will prove that your words are true.
---Ramon on 9/23/06


kathr4453, I am not suggesting we work our way into heaven, but, faith without works is dead. Submission is the key to Christianity, and submission is not a work. There are criteria to producing good fruit and having oil for your lamp and you are told to do something with your talents.
---Ryan on 9/23/06


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