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Is Godly Obedience Needed

What is the difference between godly Obedience and "empty" works? Is godly obedience ALWAYS a prerequisite to receiving from God, including salvation? Is "True godly" obedience necessary or Not, to keep one's salvation or healing?

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Maybe Mrs. Morgan doesn't read the Bible. Maybe she is just quoting out of some false book somewhere.
She has been warned about using part verses and now she does it again.
Heb 12:14 says, Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.
She acts like holiness is something you work up. I wonder if she is at peace with those who ask her questions she can't answer?
---Elder on 10/9/06

Just to add to what elder said, she also says "I don't believe in playing games in regard God's Word" and we shouldnt be "asking people dead questions, going in circles." Yet, the irony is SHE posed the question on this blog. Scroll through, you will see that she thought she knew the answer already and began pouncing on responses from the start. She merely wanted to spark a debate with those she now refuses to answer.
---tofurabby on 10/9/06

"Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace"(Psalm 37:37). Only God's holy obedient one's will have His peace and comfort in Heaven at the end of the road, but those who FALSELY claim that no one can live holy, free from sin by the power of the Holy Ghost,won't have peace at the end of their road, now that's Bible. "Only the pure in Heart" shall see God, and "...without holiness no man will see the Lord"(Hebrews 12:14).
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/9/06

Alan, Mrs. Morgan will not answer because she cannot answer. The falsehoods she has posted caught up with her.
This is proven by the name calling, long rhetoric, 1/2 verses, misquoted verses and now she directs her venom towards you. You have only posted to her about 4 times.
She thinks if someone disagrees with her they are lost and reprobate, if you question her you are ungodly, you can sin and lose your salvation but she never has.
The Forum family is not stupid like she hoped they would be.
---Elder on 10/9/06

MrsM You have not answered Elder's question.
What is the scripture?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/9/06

Ok, gotcha.

Elder, please allow me to provide an answer to your question.

The scriptures do not exist that you are looking for, that is why you cannot find them and feel stumped.
---tofurabby on 10/9/06

Mrs. Morgan, there is forgiveness available for those in Christ who sin. Sinning won't necessarily mean you've lost your salvation. Sinning and staying in sin without repenting will. This still doesn't mean that it isn't possible to stop sinning by the power of the Holy Ghost.
---Okebaram on 10/9/06

So Mrs M ... you will not answer.
Will you not teach those who ask to be taught?
Why do you hate so much those whom you should be trying to help?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/9/06

tofurabby, (III.) Fruit's and Reasoning is a good indicator of where some one is coming from, God know's the heart, and discerns one immediately. As for God's people, we must go by fruits and reasoning, when dealing with people, most Christians lack good godly reasoning, thus you get the brick wall effect. The Word says LET THIS MIND BE IN YOU, THE MIND OF CHRIST. If we don't have this mind, our mind will be scambled with confusion,lies, and disobedience/sin will be common place.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/9/06

Mrs. Morgan, lets not forget that you originally started this conversation when you posted the question.
---tofurabby on 10/9/06

tofurabby, I don't believe in playing games in regard God's Word, His Truth, I spoke enough and I said I'm finished, period. Most don't fear God, I don't have to conversate with Christian's who don't follow God's Word, making excuses for themselves. I believe in letting folk believe what they want, I will not be someone's puppet, they will get no response from me.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/9/06

tofurabby, (II.) Some need to ask God "why can't I stay out of sin" "why do I social drink", some need to cry out to God for help instead of asking people dead questions, going in circles.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/9/06

Mrs. Morgan, Why not simply answer Elder's question so they will stop asking?
---tofurabby on 10/9/06

alan8869_of_UK , Why do you keep addressing me? I've answered, it's not what you want to hear, I answer people with God's Truth in regard to the Scriptures, Most don't want It, that's not my problem, or issue, that's your problem, your issue, your/Elder's repeative question is very unproductive, a perfect example of ears that can't HEAR. Please stop addressing me unless you start reasoning with holy,sound reasoning, you are wasting your time. Move on, please!
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/9/06

Titus 3:8 "This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might BE CAREFUL TO MAINTAIN GOOD WORKS. These things are good and profitable unto men."
James 2:14 "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?"
---Okebaram on 10/9/06

1 Cor. 3:13: "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is."
Gal 5:6 "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."
Gal 6:4 "But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another."
---Okebaram on 10/9/06

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"The Discipline of the Holy Ghost", MOST Christian's don't like this Discipline, so they make excuses for themselves of why "they can't stop sinning", why they can't "live holy through Christ Jesus", why "they frequent bars,and social drink", they prefer to debate/insult God's holy,Obedient people,the one's who have Victory in Jesus. They need to stop making excuse for their failings, Jesus said the Truth will set you free, not "Excuses".
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/9/06

***THE BEST!!!*** James 2:21-24 "Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.[a]And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."
---Okebaram on 10/9/06

Phil 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
2 Tim 3:17 "That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
**NOTE THIS ONE** Titus 1:16 "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."
---Okebaram on 10/9/06

I have found that if one will just simply worship the Father and open his/her heart to Him, He can enlarge us more than we can enlarge ourselves. Loving the Commander more than the commandment is where one is made whole.
---Linda6563 on 10/9/06

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MrsM ... If you are honest, you will read this, and maybe answer.
I would like to know the answer to the question that Elder put to you.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/9/06

Birds of a feather flock together.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/9/06

God's true people are not trying to win a "popularity contest", but the "half stepping Christian's" always get "the cheers" that's the way it's always been. I don't need any one but God, to pat me on the back, thank you! I will never compromise His Truth, NEVER, He knows that. Most Christians do compromise His Truth, that's why they are Apostate, lukewarm, and some even cold in regard to God's Truth.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/9/06

Alan, (1.)What is your purpose, your motivation, is it from God or self? This will be my last statement to you in regard to this. Believe Alan, what you want, God gives His "True Children" answers , because they "humble themselves before Him". I don't have to have long conversations with "the disobedient", the resistant, it's not required. I learned because I listened, I didn't fight God's people, as a 15 year old....
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/9/06

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Alan, (2.)...I had enough wisdom to just listen, but most are not like that, and they "miss out". God want's His people to give folk the Truth, and move on. Actually, spent too much time on this topic than I believe God wants me too, and it's gonna stop NOW. If you wish you may "carry on" in vain, because that is all it is VANITY, and it's not of God. Many all out sinner's listen better,than most "Christians" do. Alan what are YOU hiding behind? What is your TRUE motive?
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/9/06

Mrs M ... I see you still do not answer Elder's question.
Why not? Why do you hide behind something else, and not answer?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/9/06

Mrs. Morgan, if you believe that the word of God is to be taken as a whole why do you continually post part truths?
You misapply Scripture take it out of context, butcher the text to try to make people think you are correct.
Then you issue false hoods by trying to mislead people like Alan into thinking something really vulgar has been said.
Rev 21:8 is in the Bible too.
---Elder on 10/9/06

Alan, she wants you to think I said something really nasty.
I quoted part of a verse like she does, Luke 18:22, and asked if she obeyed by selling all and giving to the poor. Then I asked if Earnest still had a white Caddy? If you read the blog you will see why I asked it.
I don't blame her for being angry. She has been caught again.
Read and see who did the name calling, been hateful and arrogant. Now she jumps you.
She demands respect for her "man of God" but she shows none.
---Elder on 10/9/06

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alan8869_of_UK (III.) I don't have to answer to anyone who is so disrespectful like that to a man of God, one who is doing God's work, Alan.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/8/06

alan8869_of_UK , There is no answer for someone who is not using godly reasoning and resisting the Truth. I wasn't arrogant like that when I was learning(in my teens BTW)from God's people! The 7 churches of Revelation are actual churches, they are also "examples" of different "types of churches", different "types of Christians", the Word must be taken as "a whole", or one will not be able to properly discern it Alan.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/8/06

alan8869_of_UK (II.) Alan before you falsely accuse me insulting Elder, you should first, do your research, and go through the blogs to indentify Elder's pattern of behavior, he was very disrepectful toward my minister, made a off colored remark about him,yet you say nothing about that, how strange!
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/8/06

The answer to, where does the Bible say the Church age Christian is told to "endure until the end," is nowhere.
There you have it. NOWHERE in Scripture is the Church Age Christian told to endure until the end.
It is the Holy Spirit that keeps me. I believe Eph 1:12-14.
He has sealed me and given me the earnest of the Holy Spirit.
I am sealed until the day of redemption, Eph 4:30. To break that seal there would have to be something more powerful than the Godhead.
---Elder on 10/8/06

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kathr4453, Your perception is so correct. I feel that half truths teach full lies.
It is my perception that most of what is being said by this person is coming out of very shallow books from a place that teaches that people should not study or think for themselves.
---Elder on 10/8/06

Elder: We know the anti christ will come with great signs and wonders, also a part of Mrs. Morgan's background in the slaying of the spirit, etc, bypassing the Cross that sanctifies, and puts to death the old adam nature. It's easier for them to get their drive through happy meal fix, and then have the audacity to accuse those who have their life in the Person of Jesus Christ. The whole thing is demonic. Paul never talked that way to Church Age Christians.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/06

Mrs M ... I have returned from a few days holiday.
I was hoping that you would answer Elder's question, which was honest.
Instead, you just insult him. Not a thing a sinfree person should do.
And why will (can) you not answer him?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/7/06

Mrs. Morgan thank you for informing me that you are confused.
Since you don't know where to look for the answer to my question ask me and I will tell you.
Remember those old crash test dummy commercials. They have convinced me that YOU... can learn a lot from a dummy.
---Elder on 10/7/06

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Elder , Your only stumbling block is yourself, your scrambled reasoning, the devil is the author of confusion, not God.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/7/06

Mrs. Morgan you finally stumped me.
Will you please show me where the Church age Christian is told to "endure until the end." I can't find it.
---Elder on 10/6/06

lisa,(3.)OSAS don't believe that one can "fall", "backslide", but the Word says "take heed"(1 Corinth. 10:12).Those that endure till the end will be saved. We are in a race and a war, we must equip ourselves with the Whole Armor of God, and yield to God, every step of the way.If one stumbles, one has to get back up, continue running,not stop,or compromise with the enemy(he fights hard & unfair)God will give His people power to endure till the end.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/6/06

lisa , (1.)You said one "keeps their salvation", by the power of the Holy Ghost working in their life, Lisa, this is what I have been saying all this time, It's called "Walking in the Spirit" and not in the "flesh". One can't do both at the same time. One is only eternally secure while "walking in the Spirit", which is the same as abiding IN Christ, In God's Truth....
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/6/06

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lisa, (2.)Only those that are "lead of the Spirit" are called the "Children of God"(saved)(Romans 8:14) . We have a choice Lisa, every day to chose who will lead us( who we will serve) God, self, or the devil.We must yield to the Holy Spirit, daily, Obedience is a must...
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/6/06

Miss Morgan, the difference between godly obedience and empty words, is when you are saved and have Christ in your life and you obey God through the power of the Spirit, That is godly obedience. "Empty" Words is when you say a lot and don't have the Holy Spirit helping you. They are empty words. One keep's God's salvation through the power of the Holy Spirit and never loses that power. He seals you till the day of Christ.
---lisa on 10/6/06

"...for thus it becometh us to fulfil ALL righteousness"(Matthew 3:15)
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/5/06

Mrs. Morgan #2
It's that spirit within you that is accusing Christ in us. That should be enough to make you fall on you knees and beg for forgivness, and hope it's not too late. I am being as serious as I can. I truly believe that is what has happened to you. It's that same pharisee attitude that killed Jesus, Paul, Stephen, and the one in the end that have the blood of the Saints on their hands. YOU are not God. YOU will not judge, lest You be judged!!! REPENT before it's too late!
---kathr4453 on 9/26/06

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Mrs. Morgan: The greatest sin of all is attributing to satan what really is of the Lord. It was these exact legalists, pharisees that accused Jesus Himself of having a demon, and belonging to the devil. That is sin. When you accuse those who belong to the Lord, you are doing the same thing. Exactly the same thing.
I believe when you got slain(killed) in the spirit, you received a demon, or a mark of the beast on your hand or forehead. Isn't that where they touch you. next
---kathr4453 on 9/26/06

So, Mrs Morgan, you are saying you have NEVER sinned since you were saved? You had better read the Scriptures, particularly 1John 1:5-10. It says that "if we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and the truth is not in us." Christians can still fall into sin, not commirring habitual sin, repent and continue on in the Lord.
---tommy3007 on 9/26/06

3. and you, who has judgemental powers is sending them stright to hell. One sin, one failure, one mistake, going stright to hell you say. How little you know about God and our position in Christ. You have no right to judge others. You are one person here with that mentality. No Christian with a new nature wants to sin Morgan. But they do sin, and they have Christ to speak on their behalf whether you believe it or not.
---lisa on 9/26/06

2. Next thing you have to surrender is your pride because it is overwhelming. No, you are not there yet and never will be until your corrupt is change to incorruptable. Then and only then will you have been glorified. You say I am angry, No, I am upset that a Christians supposely a Christian, would speak so wrongly of other brothers and sisters struggling in their faith and life's. Many have not been able to leave behind things that they struggle with, yet they love the Lord with all of their hearts
---lisa on 9/26/06

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Morgan, "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure" Now that you said it, why don't you believe it? You that speaks of doing so much on your own? Sooner or later you had to speak the Truth, you cannot continue with your self impose righteousness because the Truth has to come out. You wanted to prove a point and in so doing you brought the Truth out. You could not help it because its the Truth. It is God who works in you both to will and do.
---lisa on 9/26/06

"to obey is better than sacrifice" 1 Samuel 15:22
---tofurabby on 9/26/06

(Philippians 2:12,13)"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure".
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/26/06

(2.)Your words are words of anger,confusion,and false accusations,No I do not "accuse people",I present the Word, the Truth,and No,I don't wake up with "anger and hate",I wake up with hope in the Lord, great expectations and godly Obedience because I surrendered ALL to the Him, thus I have His Peace, His Joy, daily, leaning/drawing on Him,for strength,He is my source of power,even in trials and tribulations,God's Grace-Truth is sufficient indeed! I hope you find His peace too.
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/26/06

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lisa, (1.)I know who my "true brothers and sisters in Christ" are, because they also bear "good fruit", godly obedience, speak the Truth, they are not just "hearer's of the Word", but also doer's of the Word, so they are truly IN Christ Jesus, thus God continues to bless them with godly wisdom and knowledge, it's that simple....
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/26/06

3. No Morgan, you don't condemn the lost, you condemn the very brothers and sisters in Christ. You are a sinner and always will be a sinner until you die. And you do need Christ to help you. You need faith to believe that He can help you. You have more faith in you then on Him. Your words sound great but your condemnation to others is just another sin. Anyone who says he is without sin is a liar and calls God a liar.
---lisa on 9/26/06

2. The day you come to realize that you are a sinner in need of Christ is the day you will humble yourself to Him. For you continue to say that perfectness will gain you heaven. The one with the surprise will be you, and you will find all the one's that thought they were perfect too, waiting for you. The only reason we don't know much about you is because you have not mentioned much, other then movies taken of you without any clothes to lust after you husband, and your husband drinking.
---lisa on 9/26/06

You posted the question, why not just answer your own questions? You seem to know all the answers and are perfect, and if you are not you are going streight to hell, those are your words Morgan. So live your life in life unsure that if in the morning you get angry with you husband who you dislike already for drinking, and you say something bad to him, you are going streight to hell. Those are you very words to all Christians who don't agree with you.
---lisa on 9/26/06

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"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,because he is born of God.In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God..."(I John 3:8,9,10) (Matthew 7:18) (James 3: 11,12).
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/25/06

tommy3007, (2.)...Are my fruits from God or not and what about the minister I'm endorsing(supporting) are his/her fruits from God or not? Should be your concern Tommy. God knows all things, Jesus said "you will know them by their fruits". God's true people are a faith people and a obedient people, they continue and abide in Christ/The Truth, their life reflects that, thus God's Fruit's speak for themselves.
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/25/06

tommy3007, (1.)People must Abide in the Word/Truth, I do this(walking in the Spirit) by the power of the Holy Ghost, and not of myself (like all God's obedient children do) , so the Holy Spirit bears "good fruits" in my life, sin isn't a good fruit is it, tommy ? You need not probe anyone about their life, but check your own fruits! We all have to give an account before God in regard of our fruits ....
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/25/06

"Mrs._ Morgan" , I have one question for you. Since you don't believe that a person can be "saved" and fall into sin, are you saying you never sin? Think hard before you answer this. Jesus Christ is the "author and finisher of my faith." I try to be obedient to His word, but, sometimes fail. I repent when this happens and my fellowship is restored, but my salvation is never in jeopardy, according to Jesus' own words, see John 10:25-30.
---tommy3007 on 9/25/06

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It's important to understand:
1. Sin
2. Sins

This is what we inherited when Adam & Eve fell in the Garden of Eden. We inherited their SIN nature.
A redeemer was promised Genesis 3:15 to redeem men separated from God.

This is what we do in our already fallen sin nature. Is God shocked that we have so many SINS from our SIN nature?
Answer: No

*** Romans 5: 12-21 is very important to understand.
---kathr4453 on 9/22/06

Darlene_1 , (2.) It really can break a child of God's heart! Those OSAS so-called ministers can sound so "sincere", but they are ministers of satan, My goodness, Talking to people who embrace this false religion is like talking to a brick wall. I have given every Scripture that I can think of to prove that God won't tolerate unrepentant sin and disobedience, and they keep coming up with excuses any way. Just pray for them. God Bless.
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/22/06

Darlene_1 ,OSAS comes from the pit, the devil himself, who else would tell a person that they can sin and yet walk with God, sin yet have eternal life, godly Obedience isn't required , they are still saved even if they sin, or that godly repentance isn't required,it's insanity! The devil will take over a persons mind almost completely as they resist God's truth, God said if they keep on , He will let them be damned with that lie, It's a very awful situation, my soul cries for them.....
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/22/06

Continue;Any unrepented sin will send a person to hell. That is why I can't accept OSAS theology. I had a brother-in-law,deacon,part time preacher in Baptist Church who would tell me he could murder someone ,not repent,and still go to Heaven because he would still be saved. Since no sin can enter Heaven I would tell him he would be in for a big surprise when he tried to get in. I've read all the scripures people have given but still don't see where that theology comes from. God bless All
---Darlene_1 on 9/22/06

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Continue;Any unrepented sin will send a person to hell. That is why I can't accept OSAS theology. I had a brother-in-law,deacon,part time preacher in Baptist Church who would tell me he could murder someone ,not repent,and still go to Heaven because he would still be saved. Since no sin can enter Heaven I would tell him he would be in for a big surprise when he tried to get in. I've read all the scripures people have given but still don't see where that theology comes from. God bless All
---Darlene_1 on 9/22/06

Anyone can be tempted to sin,but we are told we are tempted when we are led away by our own lusts,that is the point. It is our lusts,our weakness,letting the flesh direct actions and not staying in the Spirit. Satan comes to steal,kill,and destroy and when we are sick or weak in faith or anything which distracts from our walk with God,then we are more likely to sin. To avoid sin we die to self and live to Christ,His will,way,and walk. That is living in obedience, through faith. Continued
---Darlene_1 on 9/22/06

Mrs Morgan, I'm not understanding the question. Are you asking if we need to be Godly and obedient to receive salvation?
Oh My, Are you saying we have to earn the Gift. Then it wouldn't be concidered a Gift would it?
***It is a Gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast!
I say NUTS to that too!
---kathr4453 on 9/22/06

Darlene_1 , You are very welcome! You worded your blog so nicely, it was very much in line with God's Word, I love that! If the system "resets" I'll vote for you then, I'm not sure how often it resets though. God Bless You Darlene!
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/22/06

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Mrs.Morgan,thank you for the vote anyway.I agree with a lot you have said on this Blog too,I especially like the scriptures you use to back them up.God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 9/22/06

I know, Madison. I've read enough of your posts to know your heart is sincere in loving Him, so I pretty much figured what you meant. My concern was that others who don't know you may get the wrong idea. In this venue sometimes what we mean and what others read are two different things. I didn't want to seem picky, but I thought about it and figured if it were me I would want someone to offer me a chance to clarify before others made an incorrect assumption. Take care.
---AlwaysOn on 9/22/06

Helen_5378 , Everything must past the Word Test, if it fails it's not Truth. People should take the Word as a whole, not just parts of It, all of God's Word fit's together, makes godly sense, God said come let us reason together, God must be able to reason with us in regard to His Truth --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/22/06

Darlene_1 ,Your vote didn't register, must of already voted for you, God Bless you!
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/22/06

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Darlene_1 , You put that so well, you just got a vote from me! God Bless. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/22/06

I'm with Helen on this..Mrs. Morgan - That is an awful lot of things that you must do to be saved, but none of it is the finished work of Christ on the Cross.It is GODS GRACE that saves us..through FAITH in JESUS CHRIST..Give GOD all the PRAISE and GLORY!!
---JIM on 9/22/06

Does Bible say we are saved when we repent from our past sins or saved from "those" sins? Matthew 10:22 - he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Mark 16:17 These signs shall follow them that believe,cast out devils,speak with new tongues,take up sepents,if drink anything deadly not hurt them,lay hands on sick,they recover. Obivious salvation's a deeper walk than just believing, receiving Christ. It's commitment to live Christlike,putting away sin/worldly ways,walking in Love,like Christ.
---Darlene_1 on 9/22/06

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