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What Would You Tell The Pope

If you met the Pope, what would you want to tell him?

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Helen, you are correct in your answer. It has nothing to do with salvation, but is done in obedience to the salvation God has given the believer. Salvation does not need anything from us. What Eloy is saying is, that, you have no salvation if you are not baptized. Which is another mistake of his. He talks about Catholics but believes in their theory the same as he does with "works." "be deligent" denotes zealous persistence in accomplishing a goal. Timothy, like all who
---lee_1 on 8/30/07


Lily you make me smile you keep your answers simple whether we agree or not they are sweet and some how U manage to come thru the words U type. Yes I would tell the Pope that Jesus loves him too and He can come to heaven thru Jesus also if he calls upon His name for salvation because U are right Lily Jesus died for our sins and his too.
---Jeanne on 11/27/06


I would tell Him that God loves him so much that He came and died for our sins, including his. I love the pope too, we ought to love one another. He is only doing what he is employed to do.
---lily on 11/24/06


virginia, I sympathise with your and your daughter. She didnt cause the separation, but the ex so she was free however by being married to someone else, she herself has committed adultery(read Rom7:2,3) with the new man and however, our God is a forgiving God and sure will forgive if she has asked Him 4 4giveness.
---lily on 11/24/06


nuns, priests etc. It makes me wonder who made the decision for these people to join this order. Did parents force them into it? When God created Adam, He gave him Eve for a helpmeet. Then He said go multiply and fill the earth. That is why He made man and woman, not to live celebate lives but to multiply. Some parents today still force their offsprings into things they dont want. Am wondering.
---lily on 11/24/06




Folks the Q was?what would you tell the pope. Listen to your bickering,like false accusations & each one trying to out do one another In the name of Christianity, Guess who is laughing The instigator & perpetrator of denominations need I say more?
---Emcee on 11/24/06


Virginia your daughter is not considered unworthy. If she was married in the Catholic Church then she can get an annulment of the first marriage, even if she'd already married again and have the second marriage blessed. There are many avenues to take. She may talk to her local priest or bishop and get dispensation. Even if she chose none of those - it would not mean she was unworthy.
---grace3869 on 11/24/06


I cannot accept your unforgiving attitude towards divorced persons. My daughter was married to a man who cheated on her & got another woman pregnant. She is considered not worthy of communion in the Catholic church now that she is remarried. Isn't God the God of the second chance?
---Virginia on 11/24/06


Grace8369 - Do you see any reason why nuns and brothers should not marry too? Interested in what you think on this."

I think from a realistic standpoint it would be like equiping Naval battleships for women. It can be done and maybe even should be done - but first you'd have huge controversy and mass confusion.

I think if a person wanted to live a celibate life dedicated to God there would probably still be religious orders they could join.
---grace3869 on 10/24/06


Grace8369 - Do you see any reason why nuns and brothers should not marry too? Interested in what you think on this. I agree that priests should marry. I believe there would not be as many paedophiles if any then in the RCC.
---Helen_5378 on 10/23/06




If you met the Pope, what would you want to tell him?

That he should allow Priests to get married. Totally radical and won't happen in my life time, but it would solve a lot of problems. Of course there could be a domino effect where then Nuns and Monks and brothers etc would want to marry.

Grace
---grace3869 on 10/23/06


Eloy, we are commanded to spread the gospel. We follow Christ because He is our life now. We are only vessels of His word, and move forward only because of the Spirit. The Spirit gives life, we don't give life to anyone. God does through His word. I believe you have the whole concept of a believer somehow twisted. You think you are the one saving people. That you are what they need to se in order to be saved. But even if you are not there, the elect will come forward. It is God who draws them to Himself.
---lee_1 on 10/5/06


Besides, what's the harm of being baptized, just in case you are wrong? It takes only a few minutes of your precious time while hundreds of people are watching. Unless, of course, you feel ashamed of doing it. If you are ashamed then Jesus will be ashamed when he presents you to God. Be bold and go for it.
---Steveng on 10/4/06


Alan: Re-read my post and you answer the question. How do you think Satan addressed God in the OT and Jesus in the NT?

Helen: Jesus himself can and did make exceptions. But for everyone else, Jesus commanded to "go out into the world and preach. If he believes AND is baptized, shall be saved (Mark 16:15-17 et al)." So, from that moment onward, everyone went out and preached AND baptized. Didnt Jesus himself set an example and was baptized? Learn from Him.
---Steveng on 10/4/06


Steveng - The thief on the Cross was saved. All he said was "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom". He knew that Jesus was the Son of God and Saviour and Lord, as does anyone who calls out to the Lord Jesus for salvation.
---Helen_5378 on 10/3/06


StevenG ... Satan does not call out "Lord, Lord I love you and accept you"
---Alan8869_of_UK on 10/3/06


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lee, has no one ever led you to the Lord? "How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how will they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how will they hear without a preacher? Therefore faith from hearing, and the hearing through a word of God." Romans 10:14,17.
---Eloy on 10/2/06


lee,"Go out and bring them in to the feast." We are commanded to do the work of an evangelist and to lead others to the Lord? If you are not saving anybody, then wheres your faith? "Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death, and will cover a multitude of sins. And some have compassion, making a difference: and others save with fear, pulling out of the fire; hating even the garment stained by the flesh." James 5:20; Jude 22,23.
---Eloy on 10/2/06


.Helen, you bear bad fruit. I offer no more replies for you.
---Eloy on 10/2/06


lee, you do not know me, nor him that sent me. My fruits are wholly the works of Christ, and as my Lord is wrongly mocked by the lost, so too I am mocked by you.
---Eloy on 10/2/06


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lee, you do not know me, not him that sent me. My fruits are wholly the works of Christ, and as my Lord is wrongly mocked by the lost, so too I am mocked by you.
---Eloy on 10/2/06


Helen: Since you took Romans 10:9 out of context, I, too, will take this out of context - Romans 10:13 - and just call out the Lord's name and I will be saved. But just because I call out "Lord, Lord," it doesn't mean Christ accepts me. Even Satan believes in Jesus, but will you see him get baptized in Jesus' name? Once you heard the Word and believed, the next step (which comes from the heart) is how this young eunuch got baptized Acts 8:34-39.
---Steveng on 10/2/06


Helen says "I will be standing there in Christ with all of my sins forgiven and the righteousness of Christ imputed to me. My sins will not be judged or even mentioned, for they were all taken away in Christ"
I would just change the were to will be. Even our future sins, for we cannot be sinless. We will be presented pure before God, not because we have been pure, but because Jesus will wash our sin away.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 10/2/06


One comment also that you make, that makes you sound self-righteous is that, you say you bring people to Christ. Kind of showing the great work you do, well let me say, The Holy Spirit brings people to Christ, He gives life, and convicts the person to make a confession of faith, it is not you Eloy. I mentioned this cause you told Lisa, that even the devil believed since you knew what she was talking about already.
---lee_1 on 10/2/06


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5. I completely believe Helen and she has not said she is a prophet or ordain preacher yet she understands that better then you. If you give the wrong gospel it is heresy. So you have to be careful what you are saying.
---lee_1 on 10/2/06


4. but the rewards for his Christian service (1 Cor. 3:11-15). The event occurs immediately after the Christ coming for His own, you can find that in (1 Cor. 4:1-5 and 2 Timothy 4:8). This judgement is in no sense a condemnatory trial for sins, since even the least devoted believer will be saved "so as by fire" 1 Cor. 3:15. So by studying the whole of Scripture you can see the connection between the saved and the unsaved Eloy.
---lee_1 on 10/2/06


3. that judgement involves every unsaved person that has ever lived, and possibly angels and millennial saints as well. The unsaved are judge on the basis of their works (rev. 20:12,13). Everyone whose name is not written in the book of life is cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:15). They do not include the already glorified belevers in Christ. " Judgement seat of Christ" called by that in (Romans 14:10; 2 Cor. 5:10), at issue in this judgement is not the salvation of the believer
---lee_1 on 10/2/06


2. Then you turn around and tell everyone you are right and if someone disagrees with you, you tell them they speak against Christ, because you do know the Truth and they don't, so you put passages to show them they are wrong in speaking against you so they are speaking against God. Now if that is not self-righteous, I don't know the meaning. Take the subject of judgement that you so stated so wrong. In "The Great White Throne of Judgement" that judgement in Rev. 20:11,
---lee_1 on 10/2/06


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You have to know the truth to teach the truth. Obviously Eloy does not know the truth. What is in the heart will come out of the mouth (via the fingers lol).
---Helen_5378 on 10/2/06


Eloy - It is obvious that you do not understand salvation at all. When I stand before The Judgment Seat of Christ, I will be standing there in Christ with all of my sins forgiven and the righteousness of Christ imputed to me. My sins will not be judged or even mentioned, for they were all taken away in Christ. My works in Christ is what will be judged. For the unrepentant sinners, they will be at the Great White Throne Judgment where they will be cast into the Lake of Fire.
---Helen_5378 on 10/2/06


Eloy, you say, by their fruits you will know them, you make that comment all the time to others but not to yourself. Your fruits are very bad. Have you ever noticed that? It would seem that you are very self-righteous. You speak as though you are the High Priest. You say you were ordained but I think you ordained yourself. I guess you give yourself to be whatever title you want to tell everyone you are ordained. For you don't understand the whole of Scripture correctly, and so answer wrong.
---lee_1 on 10/2/06


Eloy - Scripture says to not think of oneself more highly that you ought. That is some list of things that you supposedly are. An enemy of the Cross is somebody who proposes any way of salvation and victory other than the Cross of Christ. If you bother to read my posts, the Cross of Christ is what I proclaim all the time.
---Helen_5378 on 10/2/06


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Steveng - I can't believe that you even asked that question. When Jesus cried from the Cross "It is finished" that was it -- the work for man's salvation was finished with absolutely nothing to be added to it. Read Romans 10:9 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved...". You were saying???
---Helen_5378 on 10/2/06


lisa, I do speak only the truth, yet many as yourself are not open to it and therefore do not hear it.
---Eloy on 10/2/06


"Bible" means "book"...Look it up.
---Laura on 10/1/06


** Eloy - You can only appear at the Judgment Seat of Christ if you have received Him as your Saviour and Lord. If you have not done so and are therefore not born again, if you die in that state you will appear at the Great White Throne Judgment. Jesus is either your Saviour, or He is your Judge.**
* W * R * O * N * G !!!
There's just one General Last Judgement.
Period.
---Jack on 10/1/06


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Hi,

Why would I want to ask the Pope anything? Is he supposed to be someone that is all knowing?

Billy
---William_Corbi on 10/1/06


Emcee - The blood of Jesus removes sin, and that can only happen upon one's acceptance of Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord.
---Helen_5378 on 10/1/06


Eloy - Revelation 20:12 is The Great White Throne Judgment, which is for those who are not born-again. You need to read verses 11-15 to get the proper meaning.
---Helen_5378 on 10/1/06


2. Why don't you just teach the Truth and stop trying to proof yourself over an over again about how much you know. You don't have to prove that, just speak the Truth and people will know you are genuiene.
---lisa on 10/1/06


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Eloy, you are twisting words again. I said Christ lives in the life's of every believer, I mean of course born again believer. The others are none believers Eloy. You cannot explain anything right so you twist the words to mean that even satan believe, just to proof a point because you don't have good answers to give. Of course just believing in Jesus death is not enough, It is faith in Him for your life. Though you knew that you still want to make a mockery of the Word. Twisting words.
---lisa on 10/1/06


.helen, I am redeemed, consecrated, ordained, and comissioned by Jesus Christ himself to preach his gospel, and not any other. But as the unregenerate enemies of the cross, you will believe the lie is the truth, and the truth a lie until you become saved. I wholly follow the Lord, and have led not a few souls to the Lord, so what benefit do you think I would ever gain if I preached a false gospel, as you wrongly say that I am?
---Eloy on 10/1/06


.helen, ALL flesh will be judged, not just Christians and not just nonChristians, but Every single person, every man, every woman, and every child, rich, poor, righteous, and sinuous. And we will all give an account of the things done in the flesh, and evry idle word spoken, and every secret thing will be revealed; "and many of those who sleep in the ground of dust will awake: some to life everlasting; and some to shame, to horror everlasting." Daniel 12:2.
---Eloy on 10/1/06


Helen: Show me in the Bible that baptism is not part of salvation.
---Steveng on 10/1/06


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This is so crazy. How can people stray off the subject of a question. Why does people have to argue over simple things in the bible? Do you know what the B I B L E means? Basic instructions before leaving earth.
---Rebecca_D on 10/1/06


Helen ::Salvation, as you know it is a wee bit different from one who has NOT received baptisnm of water as Jesus comanded.Because the question of that little original sin needs to be taken care of,& you know no matter how good & sinless you (a person) are or feel, that little stain prevents you from entering the kingdom of heaven although Your salvation in other respects have been attained or fulfilled.A little glitch on that heavenly PASSPORT is No DEAL.
---Emcee on 10/1/06


.helen, "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand in front of God; and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." Revelation 20:12. Please read what Jesus says about every single soul in Matthew 25:31-46.
---Eloy on 10/1/06


Eloy - You can only appear at the Judgment Seat of Christ if you have received Him as your Saviour and Lord. If you have not done so and are therefore not born again, if you die in that state you will appear at the Great White Throne Judgment. Jesus is either your Saviour, or He is your Judge.
---Helen_5378 on 10/1/06


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Steveng - I am not against being baptised. I am against baptism being proclaimed as essential for salvation - that is lie. Salvation is totally a finished work by Christ on the Cross.
---Helen_5378 on 9/30/06


Eloy - Scripture states in Galatians 1:8,9 that anybody who brings another gospel, let him be accursed. It applies to what you said.
---Helen_5378 on 9/30/06


.lisa, God does not live in the life of every believer, for that would wrongly mean that God lives in Satan, for the devils also believe. Therefore there is no truth in what you say.
---Eloy on 9/30/06


.helen, "For we must all appear in front of the judgment throne of Christ; that every one may receive the things in body, ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE, whether good or bad." But if you continue to choose to be deluded and continue to do nothing, then you lose: You will lose in this life, and also you will lose in the life to come.
---Eloy on 9/30/06


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*augua9846, I know of a wife in our church whom is not saved but attends our services, and I will warmly extend to you an invitation: You're welcomed to come and join us.*
Eloy, I didn't ask about visiting, I asked about joining.
Would I have to be rebaptized? I would appreciate an honest Yes or No answer, Eloy.
---augua9846 on 9/30/06


Eloy, we are not mocking God, or His Word, we are mocking your understanding of God's Word. You might know a lot of passages and speak Hebrew or whatever, but you sure don't understand any of it. My suggestion is that you seat down, make a commitment to God, tell Him you want so much to know His Word correctly and little by little you will know. But it takes humbleness Eloy, but you don't have that. Jesus does live, in the life of every believer.
---lisa on 9/30/06


If you had a child read the passages of salvation, believe and be baptized, (Mark 16:15-16, Acts 2:38, Peter 3:20-22, Romans 6:3-4, Acts 22:16, Acts 2:41, Acts 8:34-39), how would the child interprete it? From the mouths of babes, eh? 2 Timothy 3:15, Luke 18:16-18, Matthew 18:2-4, etc.
---Steveng on 9/29/06


Helen: "The water that saved Noah was water that saved his life" and what a long life he will lead. "We are supposed to get water baptized because Jesus commands" and if he commands then what do we do? "It was Peter who preached to the 3,000 souls, not Paul." Well I knew it began with a "P." : )
What do you have against being baptized? If Jesus commanded it, wouldn't you rather be safe than sorry? It take but only a few minutes of your precious time.
---Steveng on 9/29/06


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Eloy - Nothing that you or I or anybody else can do can contribute in any way to anybody's salvation. Salvation is completely, totally in Jesus Christ and His finished work on the Cross for sin. There is no other way to be saved, but by faith in Jesus and what He has already done on the Cross.
---Helen_5378 on 9/29/06


augua9846, I know of a wife in our church whom is not saved but attends our services, and I will warmly extend to you an invitation: You're welcomed to come and join us.
---Eloy on 9/29/06


.helen, Jesus' Great Commission to us has not ceased when he died upon the cross, on the contrary the unfinished work of preaching the gospel to all and doing the works of Christ continues even up to this day. Also, if any "so-called" Christian who does nothing for Salvation or nothing for Christ, both Testaments and even Christ himself says that that person is accursed and will be condemned to hell.
---Eloy on 9/29/06


Helen, Other than the KJV and GV I use here at the blog, I will also often write the literal translation from the Greek and Hebrew. BTW, only obeying ALL of Jesus' Commands will save you, and nothing less. And baptism is one of his Commands, if you choose to disobey it, then of a truth you will straightway perish.
---Eloy on 9/29/06


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lisa, many others as you, have said the same thing about Christ. Yet Christ lives and his mockers are long gone.
---Eloy on 9/29/06


.lee, By their fruits you will know them: All who produce no good works, have no Salvation in them, and they will be gathered together and thrown into the everlasting lake of fire and brimstone. That is not any mistake, but God's truth that I profess.
---Eloy on 9/29/06


Eloy, you do not speak the Truth. You tell people to believe you speak Truth because somehow you have the power that gives you the right to interprete the way you want and it is suppose to be true for everyone when you have the whole message of Faith in Jesus Christ so wrong. I know you are a smart guy but faith in Christ is not one point that you have right.
---lisa on 9/29/06


I would want to tell him that I was praying for him - for courange - for strength - for wisdom - that he would clearly hear the voice of God/Jesus, and not another.
---daphn8897 on 9/29/06


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***Eloy: Augua 9846, part 1 (& 2)***
Eloy, I already addressed this:
When the Apostles wrote about being baptized in "Jesus' name", they didn't mean these were the words to be used when baptizing. They were just making a distinction between Jesus' baptism and John's baptism (and other baptisms as well).
---augua9846 on 9/29/06


*Eloy: "As far as being baptized in the trinity formulae or in the Name of Jesus, both are Commanded in Scripture*
Eloy, I was baptized in a Methodist church using the Trinitarian formula. So are you saying that I could join your church without being rebaptized?
---augua9846 on 9/29/06


2. preach and teach the Word, was to give his maximum effort to impart God's Word completely, accurately, and clearly to his hearers. This is crucial to counter the disastrous effects of false teaching (v. 14,16,17, of 2 Timothy 2) rightly dividing , "cutting it straight" to the exactness demanded by such trades as what Paul had of leather working and tentmaking. With Precision and accuracy in interpreting God's Word. Great answer Helen.
---lee_1 on 9/29/06


Eloy - A cult is any person or organisation that denies the finished work of Christ on the Cross for salvation. Any other way of salvation is heresy, is a lie, and is cult.
---Helen_5378 on 9/29/06


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Eloy - The only requirement to be saved is that one believes that Jesus Christ died on the Cross for their sins and that He rose from the dead. Salvation is totally, completely in Christ with nothing to be added to it - it is a finished work. If you do not believe that you are not saved.
---Helen_5378 on 9/29/06


Steveng - It was Peter who preached to the 3,000 souls, not Paul. A person can be saved and not water baptised and they will still go to heaven because it is Jesus Christ Who saves, not baptism.
---Helen_5378 on 9/29/06


Steveng - We are supposed to get water baptised because Jesus commands us to do that. But it never has anything whatsoever to do with our salvation. Salvation is fully and totally in Christ and His sacrifice of Himself on the Cross for sin.
---Helen_5378 on 9/29/06


Eloy - What translation of the Bible are you using? I ask because it is very funny language that you are using. Water baptism does not save anyone. Only Jesus' sacrifice of Himself on the Cross saves anybody from sin.
---Helen_5378 on 9/29/06


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Steveng - The water that saved Noah was water that saved his life, not his soul. Water baptism has absolutely nothing to do with the salvation of anyone. Salvation is fully, totally in Jesus' Sacrifice of Himself on the Cross for sin. Believe that and you will be saved. Water baptism is merely an outward sign of inwardly believing Jesus' finished work on the Cross for sin.
---Helen_5378 on 9/29/06


Steven, they were baptized because it was their duty as Christians already. It showed their commitment to Christ. But in no way does it complete or gives salvation. That is the theory of the Catholics. Salvation is by grace alone, through faith in Jesus Christ, not of works so that no one, that means no one, can boast. How much clearer can that passages be?
---lee_1 on 9/29/06


2. preach and teach the Word, was to give his maximum effort to impart God's Word completely, accurately, and clearly to his hearers. This is crucial to counter the disastrous effects of false teaching (v. 14,16,17, of 2 Timothy 2) rightly dividing , "cutting it straight" to the exactness demanded by such trades as what Paul had of leather working and tentmaking. With Precision and accuracy in interpreting God's Word. Great answer Helen and very bad answer Eloy.
---lee_1 on 9/29/06


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