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Enoch Walked With God

What is the meaning of this verse to you? "And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him." This statement is made in Genesis of course.

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John 3:13. Nicodemus addressed Christ as a [prophet, but he must know that He is greater than all the Old Testament prophets, for none of them had assended into heaven. Means: No man hath attained to the certain knowledge of God and heavenly things as Christ has. It is not for us to send to heaven for instructions. Heaven will send to us. Jesus Christ is able to reveal the will of God to us, for it is He that came down from heaven and is in heaven. I've got it. Thank You Jesus+
---pat on 10/22/12


I dont know of any reputable Christians scholars that disagree with Enoch being taken alive to Heaven, and it is consistent in the Hebrew. Some denominations believe that this cant be true because it violates John 3:13. My opinion is that they misinterpret that verse. Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5.
---Glenn on 10/22/12


Look at that word TRANSLATED in Heb 11:5! Enoch was CHANGED! 1 Cor 15:51 Read the whole chapter! It explains that change! Enoch was CAUGHT UP! 1Thess 4:17 And so will we who are the called, the elect, the chosen, and the saved! Like Enoch, we must please God (Ya)!!!
---Marc on 10/22/12


We don't know a lot about Enoch! [Genesis 5:21,24]. Most Christian's commentators believes that God took Enoch just like Elijah, up, up, and away. [2 Kings 2:3-5]. In other words, he went directly into heaven without dieing. However, some believes that God took his life, like He does today, so he could not turn to sin. In anycase, at the age of 65, Enoch turned to God and walked with God for THREE HUNDRED YEARS.....in a corrupt, sinful society, Enoch stayed faithful to God. Enoch was a hero. In our few short years, we can surely emulate Enoch and remain faithful to God.
---pat on 10/22/12


Dear Brethren, Please Standfast and keep all GOD'S Commandments and Statutes "Sacred"!!! Enoch was taken to heaven while alive,For Enoch is one of the 2 witnesses from Rev.11, along with myself!!! We had to be born again as babies in the world, in order to be able to relate to Everyone and all the SUFFERINGS,only GOD could just appear and know what is going on in the world, No one else!!! We are here in America, this is the melting pot of the world,if we grew up anywhere else in the world we would be BIASED, someway or somehow!!!Please spread the LOVE and WORD of GOD to all, near and far!!! Sincerely, elijah-humble servant
---elijah_servant on 10/22/12




yep sorry a mistake clouds doesn't mean angels

my point is that ascended means to go up - full stop

there is no loophole to exploit about no one ascending to heaven
---glen on 9/21/11


Glen, I don't understand your point? You asked,
"and they ascended to the heaven in a cloud....was this by there own power?"
The passage before that indicates God called them up. "And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them "Come up here" Just like Jesus called out Lazurus.
The word "cloud" does not mean angels, the word cloud is "nephele," which refers to cloudiness, or a cloud.
---Mark_V. on 9/21/11


rev 11
and they ascended to the heaven in a cloud....

was this by there own power?

were they commanded or did they decide all by themselves "lets go up"?

who gave them the power to ascend? did they do it of there own ability?

why the need for a cloud (angels)?
---glen on 9/20/11


"no one has gone up to heaven"
"no one has ascended to heaven"

if this is false then why did christ say it?

there is no evidence at all that ascended means by ones own power, the meaning is to simply go up by any means
---glen on 9/20/11


only christ has immortality - true or false?



francis
---glen on 9/7/11
false on both counts

I seem to remember a story of Christ DYING ( that takes care of that immortality thing)

does it?

youngs,
14that thou keep the command unspotted, unblameable, till the manifestation of our Lord JESUS CHRIST,

15which in His own times He shall shew -- the blessed and only potentate, the King of the kings and Lord of the lords,

16WHO ONLY IS HAVING IMMORTALITY....

KJV is pretty much identical, both being from textus receptus

when was 1 timothy written?
after jesus resurrection we all know that he IS immortal, the ONLY one at the time of writing. True or false?
---glen on 9/20/11




Glen, your interpretation of Hebrews 11:13 is wrong. Here the references is to the Patriarchs only (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob). This interpretation is supported by the fact that the promises began with Abraham (Acts 7:17: Rom. 4:13: Gal. 3:14-18) and were passed on to Isaac (Gen. 26:2-5, 24) and Jacob (Gen. 28:10-15). In addition, only those individuals fit the description in (v.15) and Enoch did not die (6:15). These people of faith didn't know when they would inherit the promse. They had a life in the land but did not possess it.
Hebrews 11:5 the quote is from (Gen. 24). The writer combines both ( Enoch walked with God with "he pleased God') in the reference. Enoch was miraculously taken to heaven without dying ( 1 Thess. 4:17).
---Mark_V. on 9/18/11


i'm not sure what u meant by christ drying (typo?)

did you mean dying?
---glen on 9/16/11

It is NOT a TYPO
It is a TYPE B

I did mean dying
---Francis on 9/17/11


francis

i'm not sure what u meant by christ drying (typo?)

did you mean dying?
---glen on 9/16/11


Hbr 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that [country] from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Hbr 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
So, out of which country did Abel come?
He must have come out of a country since this obviously applies to all 'by faith' in the preceding passages.
Enlighten us.
If this cannot be answered, consider it strike two.
Once again Hebrew 11:6 is a transition.
---micha9344 on 9/7/11


Elder, that's funny.
---Eloy on 9/7/11


only christ has immortality - true or false?

no one has gone up to the heaven - true or false?

---glen on 9/7/11
false on both counts

I seem to remeber a story of Christ DRYING ( that takes care of that immortality thing)
---Francis on 9/7/11


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only christ has immortality - true or false?

no one has gone up to the heaven - true or false?

heb 11:5 - these ALL died... - true or false?
(prove that it only speaks of certain individuals)

no one has seen God except the son - true or false?

i'll close with this ONE verse - that he (enoch) SHOULD NOT SEE death - which death? to harmonise with the above numerous scriptures among others, it can only be the second death, which is evidenced by jesus words about not seeing death, it has scriptural backup
---glen on 9/7/11


coup d'tat is actually a cut tart in french :-)
---andy3996 on 9/7/11


too many face value scriptures which say the opposite of these comments

SHOULD NOT see death implies a future state, it doesn't say DID NOT

getting a bit off topic about elijah, the literal translation was he was taken into the heavens, NOT the 3rd heaven (only the youngs has this literal rendering)

it is a plural word which usually means the atmosphere, he was taken by a whirlwind NOT by chariots, which is why elisha was worried he might fall onto some mountain somewhere

at least 7 years later the king of israel received a letter from ELIJAH!!!
---glen on 9/7/11


""coup d'tat!!!!" sounds like a large scoup of ice cream in french."
Eloy
Thanks Eloy. All this time I was thinking that it was a cage that you kept cats in....
---Elder on 9/6/11


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HE WAS NOT RAPTURED, rapture is a latin translation of the word harpazo har-pad'-zo
to seize (in various applications):--catch
(away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).

That's EXACTLY what the passage in question says happened to Enoch. God "took" him away to be with Him in Heaven. Elijah also was taken in a chariot of fire.
---tommy3007 on 9/5/11


Act 7:15,16 So Jacob went down into Egypt, and died, he, and our fathers, And were carried over ('metetethesan') into Sychem, and laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor [the father] of Sychem.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried('apophanen') by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried,
Hbr 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated ('metetetho') that he should not see death, and was not found, because God had translated ('metetheken') him: for before his translation ('metatheseos')he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Partly right is ok, I guess, same root in Acts and Hebrews, but very different conjugations.
Missed Luke entirely.
---micha9344 on 9/4/11


"coup d'tat!!!!" sounds like a large scoup of ice cream in french.
---Eloy on 9/4/11


Apparently, this goes for Elijah as well,even though there was a witness to his being alive while being taken.
Some people get ideas then search scripture diligently in support of those ideas.
This is the wrong approach.
---micha9344 on 9/3/11


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saying there is a transition in heb 11:6 doesn't really prove anything, it is not the natural plain reading of the text

the context says he was not to suffer the 2nd death

translated means to transfer or transport and can be physically or spiritually, in enochs case it was both

the same word in greek for translated is used for "carried over", referring to jacob being taken to burial when he died and also lazarus, who was taken to abrahams bosom (figurative for abrahams seed)
---glen on 9/3/11


did enoch really acquire an immortal body before jesus christ himself?

what about what the bible says about only christ having immortality?

or that no one has seen God except the son?

no one has gone up to heaven?

was christ speaking of the 1st death when he said those who believe on him would NEVER die?

or that they would NEVER SEE DEATH?

does this sound familiar to you?

that he (enoch) should never SEE DEATH?
---glen on 9/3/11


Although posted 2 years ago, this I like:
"If you walk with God (by agreement), there will come a time when you are not because He is, nothing left but Him. That is what it means in Galatians 2:20 where it says, "Nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ that liveth within me." I am convicted every time I say the word "my", as in "my" personality, "my" mood, "my" life, "my opinion", "my" choice......and the list goes on. The walk of faith will take you to all "His".
---Linda on 11/16/09
---chris9398 on 8/30/11



Enoch DEFINITELY DIED

Why hasn't anyone mentioned that hebrews 11:13 makes it clear?

HEB 11:13 IN FAITH DIED ALL THESE,NOT HAVING RECEIVED THE PROMISES.............

this is speaking of a fleshly earthly death which no one i'm sure will debate, but hebrews 11:5 is speaking of the 2ND DEATH

HEB 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated -- NOT TO SEE DEATH....

now either both scriptures are correct or one of them is wrong

they cannot contradict - we know heb 11:13 is a physical death, therefore heb 11:5 is not referring to a earthly death but the 2ND DEATH ONLY
---glen on 8/29/11


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Someone missed the transition found in Hebrews 11:6.
---micha9344 on 8/29/11


Enoch DEFINITELY DIED

Why hasn't anyone mentioned that hebrews 11:13 makes it clear?

HEB 11:13 IN FAITH DIED ALL THESE,NOT HAVING RECEIVED THE PROMISES.............

this is speaking of a fleshly earthly death which no one i'm sure will debate, but hebrews 11:5 is speaking of the 2ND DEATH

HEB 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated -- NOT TO SEE DEATH....

now either both scriptures are correct or one of them is wrong

they cannot contradict - we know heb 11:13 is a physical death, therefore heb 11:5 is not referring to a earthly death but the 2ND DEATH ONLY
---glen on 8/28/11


John 8:51-52
51. Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall NEVER SEE (GSN#2334 theoreo) death.
52. Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets, and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall NEVER TASTE(GSN#1089 geuomai) of death.

to taste of death and to see death are referring to 2 different deaths, the former to the 1st death and the latter to the 2nd death

the jews misinterpreted one word that jesus said and said he had a devil

to NOT SEE DEATH means to not suffer the 2nd death, that is what jesus obviously meant for ALL including enoch
---glen on 8/28/11


john 1:18
God NO ONE HATH EVER SEEN, the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare.

JOHN 3:13
and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down -- the Son of Man who is in the heaven.

clear face value scriptures prove that enoch did not go to heaven, but died

jesus was "received" by a cloud when ascending, just as believers will be when christ comes again, in 1 thess 4, including the 2 witnesses

ascending does not mean by it's own power only - that is an ASSUMPTION

it simply means going up to heaven in any way whatsoever
---glen on 8/28/11


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---exzucuh answer too" he must have died" is very very impressive. Notice how clearcut the answer is. Notice how debate is cut off and a straightforward answer given. After years of debate and augmentation nothing is as impressive to me as a coup d'tat!!!!
---mima on 11/25/09


Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he SHOULD NOT SEE DEATH, and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
---exzucuh on 11/25/09


It says, "And he was not." If Enoch no longer "was," he must have died.
---Curious.one on 11/24/09


Yes I am looking forward to that day Markv and I am trying very hard to get others to look for it also instead of a day that was created by false doctrine. Some think it does not matter just as Adam did not think eating a piece of fruit could kill him.
---exzucuh on 11/24/09


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Exzucuh, thank you for the translation on the word, "tranlated" in Hebrews 11:5. Raptured is not use here but translated. The greek word is "Metatithemi" meaning to transfer, (lit) transported.
I went back and checked it myself. Rapture is a word that many want to use which sounds very much like something suddenly disappearing from the face of the earth without no one knowing. But the Second Coming will be known by everyone, for it will be the loudess day in the history of mankind.
---MarkV. on 11/24/09


exzucuh, you corrupt scripture and blaspheme, because you are not a born-again Christian like me, but after you get saved then you will be able to see the truth and know the truth and you will not be able to blaspheme. The learned know that Henoch and Elijah were both raptured just as the scripture records, and likewise every real born-again Christian will also be raptured when Christ comes for us, but if you do not get saved then you must be left behind, for God cannot accept your sin.
---Eloy on 11/22/09


The bible says not to add to or take away from scripture. Now the Bible says Enoch was metatithemi but you say Eloy he was harpazo which does not mean the same as Translated, You do this because you serve a doctrine that man has devised to promote the idea of the rapture, telling churches that they will be taken away before any thing bad happens to them replacing true salvation with a rapture salvation and this is an abomination. I am saved now by the Blood of Jesus and my obedience to the Gospel, I will endure tribulation and be perfectly safe and if not I will go to heaven. I will return with Jesus at the second coming and recieve my glorified body along with believers that are still on the earth.
---exzucuh on 11/21/09


exzucuh, Yes they were raptured.
I say "Yes", and the lost say "No", and when I say "No", then the lost will say "Yes".
---Eloy on 11/21/09


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They were not raptured they were translated,
Raptured does not mean translated it means to be taken by force, Translated means to be changed,transfigured, A metamorphose like Jesus did for peter and John so they could see how it was done to be instantly changed from earthly to heavenly. Jesus could do it at will.

John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
---exzucuh on 11/20/09


exzucuh, more boring falsehood? I say "Yes", and the lost say "No", and when I say "No", then the lost will say "Yes". The learned know what rapture means without feigning knowledge of Greek, it means that instead of dying because of the curse of sin, the person because of righteousness is "Taken alive" by God up into heaven, as Henoch and Elijah were indeed raptured and you will not find any record of their death nor their corpses upon the earth, for their breath has never ceased.
---Eloy on 11/19/09


Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death,
Translate metatithemi met-at-ith'-ay-mee
to transfer, i.e. (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively)
pervert:--carry over, change, remove, translate, turn.
HE WAS NOT RAPTURED, rapture is a latin translation of the word harpazo har-pad'-zo
to seize (in various applications):--catch
(away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).
This is the same word used in Mt 11:12 kingdom taken by force. By the force of the Holy Spirit we are translated out of darkness into light.
---exzucuh on 11/19/09


He was raptured, he did not experience death.
---Eloy on 11/19/09


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If you walk with God (by agreement), there will come a time when you are not because He is, nothing left but Him. That is what it means in Galatians 2:20 where it says, "Nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ that liveth within me." I am convicted every time I say the word "my", as in "my" personality, "my" mood, "my" life, "my opinion", "my" choice......and the list goes on. The walk of faith will take you to all "His".
---Linda on 11/16/09


After Moses ascended Mt.Sinai,the people counted him for dead...the entire affair being a recapitulation of an event that already took place...specifically Genesis 5:24. However, the Word of God was mistranslated by the writers of the King James Version Bible when they wrote:"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death..."(Hebrews 11:5). The actual text should read "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see corruption...", unless of course it is appointed unto all men once to die except Enoch!
---Paul on 11/16/09


This verse challenges me to walk closer with
God. What a marvelous thing that a human being can actually walk with God. I often wonder what sort of man Enoch must have been.
---Larry on 1/22/09


it means enoch was in obidience to God and God took him up into heaven ,without him dying first.
---tom2 on 6/24/08


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Exacl: Jesus came partly from Mary: Flesh. He died and was "raised incorruptible." He still has a body of flesh and bone...just ask Thomas ,)
---SeventhSeal on 7/19/07


Jesus was not made of the earth his flesh was made of the word of God all those of the earth are made of the earth like Adam, God has said that flesh will Go back to the dust as Jesus said It is the Spirit that gives life the flesh profiteth nothing. Jesus flesh could not see corruption it was imposible He was the second Adam the, Alpha, the beginning, The First born of Spiritual and the Father of the Children of the ressurection,
---Exzucuh on 7/19/07


Earl: Flesh and Blood do indeed enter Heaven. Jesus had Thomas touch His wounds and then Jesus Ascended to Heaven with a real Body.

And He will return in the same manner as He left...with a real body made in the image of God.

A lot of mystical confusion out there perpetuated by false doctrine found in sincere churches.
---SeventhSeal on 7/18/07


cliff, Henoch walked with God, so he took him to heaven, he did not as you wrongly assume took him to death. John 3:13 is correctly translated lit.Gk: "And no one eternally stepped in heaven except he out of heaven came down, the Son of man who from being in the heaven." This means that Jesus always was in heaven, and no other man has been eternally in heaven from the beginning like he himself. And we also know that Henoch and Elijah were both in heaven at the time that Jesus spoke these words.
---Eloy on 7/18/07


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Enoch was a man of great faith, Heb11:5. Enoch was the first recorded preacher and he preached on the comming judgement. Read Jude 1:14,15.Enoch was one of two human beings who got to Heaven without dying physically. Someday millions of christians will experience the same thing. Read 1 Thess. 4:16,17.
---Cynthia on 7/17/07


Mima; The problem here is with the word "took". John 3.13 says "no man has ascended into heaven..." We often see the term that in a disaster so many lives were "taken" or that someone "took" his own life. So taken does not mean "to heaven"!
---1st_cliff on 7/16/07


Y5By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
---Andrew on 11/16/06


Ryan, right about Noah! But Elijah WAS taken up to heaven...yet, unlike Jesus, He did not ascend of His own accord or will.
---Okebaram on 9/25/06


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Some should read the Book Of Enoch. It explains things further.
---MikeM on 9/25/06


greetings,this is what is known as a special resurection.he achieved a high spiritual condition unlike most mortals.his advanced spiritual state did not require a natural death as is normally the case in this young age of mankind.flesh and blood cannot enter heaven therefore there is no mention of his body being found.
---earl on 9/24/06


Enoch did not ascend into heaven, nor did any other Old Testament prophet or man of God. This is why Jesus descended into the earth (Eph 4:8) to gather the captives and lead them into heaven these Old Testament captives were the first fruits.
---Ryan on 9/24/06


Enoch lived for only over 300 years, when the human lifespan could exceed 900 years. He died relatively early, because God took him for a reason. I've read before that the reason was the evil around him which might have corrupted him or persecuted him had he lived longer.
---Okebaram on 9/24/06


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