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Is The Apostate Church Here Now

On radio Sunday we discussed the apostate church and the ramifications of that happening. We got many comments, some not complementary. In a second program about the apostate church what would you like us to mention about the apostate church? Is it here now or yet in the future?

Moderator - It's here now. There are VERY few Biblical churches left. Most churches and Christians are luke warm.

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The moderator is correct.
---duke on 12/16/07


"It has a form of Godliness, but deny's the power. That power comes into our lives when we are crucified with Christ, and raised a New Creation. We're given the Holy Spirit at that time."

Kathr, that's a total misrepresentation of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Denying the power of the Holy Spirit is not the way you describe it. That's your holiness that denies that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin. You don't even believe the Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead.
---Leonardo on 8/2/07


I agree with the Moderator. The sad thing is that the Christians who are luke warm don't realize it. I am seeing such deception, selfishness, self-centerdness in the body of Christ that I grieve deeply and try to pray for people as the Spirit leads. I agree with the Moderater wholeheartedly. But it shouldn't stop us from praying.
---Donna9759 on 5/20/07


Emcee, the scripture in Ephesians says be angry but sin not. I do not believe exposing, being critical of doctrines is defaming. History and the Bible CANNOT be seperated, the Bible IS history. There is much charitable and good in most church's, and individuals in church's, as there is much vileness in the history of many church's. Both must be exposed. Truth has no fear of free inquiry.
---MikeM on 1/7/07


Emcee, the scripture in Ephesians says be angry but sin not. I do not believe exposing, being critical of doctrines is defaming. History and the Bible CANNOT be seperated, the Bible IS history. There is much charitable and good in most church's, and individuals in church's, as there is much vileness in the history of many church's. Both must be exposed. Truth has no fear of free inquiry.
---MikeM on 1/7/07




Mike M:: if you realy need a clue "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing"Mod Not the RCC its alive & humming like a be hive producing Honey for those who wish to Partake.
---EMCEE on 1/6/07


Gene ... What about the Christians of the UK?
In which country do yuo think all the hot Christians are?
---alanUKquent64534 on 1/6/07


American christians are lukewarm. They have zero or practically no relationship with Christ.
---Gene on 1/5/07


I agree with you Mike, there are some on this blog who love to call others apostate and even call them names. It is so unchristian. Even Godly people who did so much in the world for all humanity were also called by some ungodly names by some on this blog. I guarantee, they didnt do anything much themselves. I pray God will open the eyes of these offenders, to see their own iniquities. They are not of God.
---jana on 9/30/06


Yes! It has a form of Godliness, but deny's the power. That power comes into our lives when we are crucified with Christ, and raised a New Creation. The New Creation is not of this world. Apostate Christians are worldly.
Why? Because we preach a Gospel with out a Cross that puts to death our old sin nature. Adam 1, and raises us up with Christ. We're given the Holy Spirit at that time. The same Spirit that raised up Christ, also raised us up together with Him. Heb 13:20&21 Rom 6, and Rom 8:11-13.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/06




Mima, I don't believe in the church ever being apostate in the past, now or in the future. I do believe in many falling away and in many apostate churches apart from the true church which will remain world-wide and impactful!
---Okebaram on 9/30/06


Mike M::Flocks who claim allegiance are to be authenticated by the lord "I know mine & mine know me"In this day & age there are many & we do not know who,But HE does.The 4 Gospels & the truth of Our Lords words are sufficient for me to follow Him through His church under the Apostolic seat which He proclaimed along in faith with His teachings.I believe this fervently.I am accountablfor me Emcee.I do not propound to entice or make others belief I state as I know it.
---Emcee on 9/30/06


There is only one church so singling out certain groups is unscriptural. The body is not divided even if man puts different labels on it. If the church is apostate then it is the church wo is apostate, not certain groups or sects. Personally, I have seen a strong evangelic church reaping in a large harvest these last 10 years.
---john on 9/30/06


emcee- Yes, one Sheperd,And which sectarian group(flock) is the correct one? There are lots of 'flocks claiming to follow the Lord.
---MikeM on 9/30/06


MIKE M::You are angry.This has nothig to do with humility,defaming other churches & other,peoples beliefs.That which you claim is uncharitable. The only fact of quoting from the bible is to show these are Jesus's words .Do you refute them.Matt16;18-19 MkLk.all testify to this truth.Let us not go with HISTORY BUT by Gods word.HIS idea of ONE flock One shepherd.
---Emcee on 9/29/06


MikeM - Sorry about that. Didn't catch that one.
---Helen_5378 on 9/29/06


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Helen it was a bit of sarcasm.
I note those who call 'others' apostate always see themselves as in the heart of Biblical, religious correctness. There is something narcisstic about that. True humility towards God would extend to Gods other creations, people who my not believe exactly as 'I' do. Those who spin their wheels attacking other beliefs as 'apostate' are only trying to shore up their own. Yes, disagrements exists, but open dialogue, not 'attack' is maturity.
---MikeM on 9/29/06


I believe Helen that Mike is making a joke. Though he is funny sometimes I get a kick out of hearing him talk. He has some good points many times, but seems to be angry at the Christian world and see's nothing good in it. Has much to say on that subject.
---lee_1 on 9/29/06


I believe it is here and has been for centuries starting from the Catholic church to all others that were formed. There is very few Biblical churches left. All denominations have apostates. Some are fully apostate some are mixed. The true church of Christ, the body of Christ, is not the Catholic church for if it was they would follow Scripture but don't. They deny salvation through faith in Christ and worship idols.
---lee_1 on 9/29/06


MikeM - Does that mean that everyone except you is apostate?
---Helen_5378 on 9/29/06


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there already is an apostate church who is Anti Christ and I think we all know who that might be, but why should we judge them or name them. Would'nt it be better for us to remove speck from our own eyes first?. I am sure there will be many coming out of it in the last days and follow the Lamb.
---jana on 9/29/06


John - Either you are trusting in Jesus Christ and His finished work on the Cross, or you are trusting in something else. It is one or the other, but not both. God will not give His glory to man.
---Helen_5378 on 9/28/06


There are relatively few biblical churches and hot Christians in the world today but VERY few? You should learn to use balance. Don't be unaware of evil, but neither be ignorant of good. The Spirit of God is still in His church!
---Okebaram on 9/28/06


All church's that do not fall in line with what I believe are apostate.
---MikeM on 9/28/06


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All& Mods::Respectfully & with reserve.Ephesians4:4-5this together withJesus's words in Math16:18-19 shows one church.UNIVERSAL/C. This CC however,recognises those others baptised in other churches as Christians, also,although they do not posess the marks of the one true church in their fullness.This is where Apostate is born & is those who defect& move away from the Church for reasons of their own.Apostate in any other sense is innovative.
---Emcee on 9/28/06


Helen. Just because people think that Jesus is still doing something and that His work is not finished doesn't mean they are apostate. It is totally Biblical to see that Jesus is still now doing, and will be doing much. Surely even you must believe he has things to do yet.
---john on 9/28/06


The apostasy is here right now. Just try telling Christians that their victory is in Jesus' finished work on the Cross and watch them get their backs up because they are into some kind of a self-help thing.
---Helen_5378 on 9/26/06


I agree with the Mod. Even though many churches appear to be saturated with the Holy Spirit, I dont think they really are. I think the congregations get in competitions with each other to show off who is more spiritual. Then they go home and drink beer and do anything else their hearts desire. How many strong Christians do you know that try to live up to all of God's standards in their every day walk away from the Church? I know many professed Christians, but not many that meet that standard.
---tofurabby on 9/26/06


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