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Are Building Programs Godly

Should churches have a building program? Why or why not? Vast sums of money are being spent on colossal buildings, can this be justified in the eyes of God?

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My church just finished their building program and I use to think building programs were for making colossal churches that did nothing. The Holy Spirit spoke to my heart and said, "I am building this building so you have something inviting for the community to recieve the presence of God in". The building we have is big because we gained so many new people we were running out of room for all the adults and children. It had nothing to do with glorifying ourselves- we just needed the room!
---michelle on 9/23/07


The thing that matters is whether the preacher is saved or not.
---catherine on 9/21/07


The number one priority of any and every church must be the preaching of the Cross. The saving of lost souls must always be the goal.
---Helen_5378 on 9/21/07


There's nothing wrong with a nice building, but how was/is it obtained? By man fleshly actions or by the Spirit? It is not the building that matters, but the presence of God. Look at the church in China, underground, persecuted christians, meeting when/where they can, often changing locations...God is moving MIGHTILY there and it is more like the early church
---christina on 10/12/06


Bruce5656: Should I do this? OK

"Together We Build"... mid 1980's Southern Baptist.

Now I will have to say this. Many of the SB Churches in the area did not participate with these guys. Many had their own fund raising committee of Chruch members.
The Church I was attending at the time was not as well to do as most. It was a burden for some to carry, and put some families in financial risk. The pastor was asked to leave b/4 the church building extention even began.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/06




Dennis, what do you think the Lord's plan for that church is for the future... to still meet in a warehouse? I bet you that if they are trully in God's favor like you said, His plan is expnasion for them which will come with a beautiful, conducive, facilitated high-capacity building. Don't you know that many of these "big churches" started out in similar ways too.
---Okebaram on 10/6/06


One of the best churches I have gone to met in an old warehouse. See the "church" is not about a big, fancy building with a steeple. The church is the body of Christ, and whether they meet in the basement of a home or in a church, it is the people, not the building, that matters!
---dennis on 10/6/06


kathr4453,

What denomination uses such tactics? It sounds cultish.
---Bruce5656 on 10/6/06


Bethie; They were brought in by the denomination's headquarters.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/06


Kathr4453, I tried searching for this travelling building fund thing, but I couldn't find anything. Did they collect money for themselves or did the church bring them in to get money, it seems kinda silly either way.
---bethie on 10/6/06




I agree we don't need glitter and glitz, but we do need to maintain the buildings we are in, there is nothing wrong with that.
---bethie on 10/6/06


I'd much rather send my building material to Heaven. There not going to last too much longer here!
Didn't Jesus say we don't worship in buildings anyway, but that we worship him in Spirit and Truth.
Any ol airport hanger will do.I hear you can buy those too. Do we think we are impressing God with all of our glitz and glitter? I don't think so at all!
---kathr4453 on 10/5/06


#2 To let you use your imagination:I left the church, and found another. Guess what, "The Traveling Building Fund Committee" showed up there. I wish you could have seen the look on their faces when they saw me there too.
In other words, Did I speak up? YEP!
Did they use the same approach? NOP!
---kathr4453 on 10/4/06


I went to a church once who was having a building program. They called a special Tuesday nite meeting, locked the doors, as the decons also stood in front of the doors, and a special team of "The Traveling Building Fund Committee" preached in Acts 5 how Ananias and the Mrs. died because they didn't give God all their money.
These unhappy campers were asked to give their stocks and bonds, etc, etc, and even take out cash on their credit cards if they didn't have anything else to give.
---kathr4453 on 10/4/06


To say God isn't interested in buildings is not true. Just look at His instructions for the temple. And then look at the elaborate details of the new Jerusalem. Streets of Gold and all those jewels and diamonds. Wow!. What a building. What a city. But God's focus is winning souls and discipleship.
---john on 10/4/06


Go out and preach the gospel or have an attractive building so that as people come to admire the building they will find GOD? Preach by lifestlye not by how attractive the church looks. If you do all and throw in a beautiful church, FINE have no problem with it.
---Rosemary on 10/4/06


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Okebaram, I have TV, stereo, bedrooms, kitchen, computer, etc. I'm not sure why you compare a home to a place of group worship. Or why a building has to be either an extremely ornate showcase or a dungheap. I believe a place of worship can be wholesome for the body of God without being a financial burden to the people. Efforts should be made on converts yet Jesus said "feed My sheep" (those already in the fold).
---mikefl on 10/3/06


It may not say anywhere in the Bible to build church buildings but it doesn't say not to either. The focus is the main thing. A nice building isn't ungodly unless that is what the focus is on. We can have nice buildings and keep our focus on the great commission.
---john on 10/2/06


let me just say one thing more,jesus did not start a building fund. why?????he actually could have waived his hand ,or spoke a building into existance.our lord said go out ,not build a building and then preach the gospel.individual buildings ,with their own church members to me inhibit the message ,because it brings a air of solitude to worship.personally I believe we have lost what jesus did ,get out among all the people.
---tom2 on 10/2/06


mima, my issue is when you look at the church today with so many different churches,and denominations. we as christians have forgotten what the most important building that jesus wishes to resided within is sadly lacking luster.sooo many people look for magnifiant buildings with huge memberships so they can get carried away in their worship,and their building is crumbling from within, and lacking the Glory of God because of their lifsyles,or attitudes towards their fellow christian brothers and sisters.
---tom2 on 10/2/06


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...Donna, Don't you have a decent-looking house? Why should the place that reflects glory be shabby when if beauty can be afforded? Donna, there would always be people who usurp good things or greedily take things too far, but I am talking about a decent balance.

Mikefl, I bet you have a TV set and a Radio sound system at home!
---Okebaram on 10/2/06


Donna, are you concerned about youself and other saved believers as opposed to the still lost? I'm sure you're not. So remember, that much less lost people will come to God's house if it looked bad, and i am talking out of hard core experience.
Secondly, God is a God of beauty and there is room for a decent amount of luxury in his house. remember the woman who poured the oil used an expensive luxurious oil. Cont'd...
---Okebaram on 10/2/06


Okebaram, with all due respect because I do respect you. Isn't it the WORD of God that draws people? Not the building? I worshipped in basements of houses, in school auditoriums in 100 degree weather with no air cond, but because the word was being preached, I stayed. Also, these Pastors that I've supported their building fund, they haven't bought a building. One church has $720,000 and the other one I support has $250,000. These amounts are in a bank account when they could be feeding the pour.
---Donna9759 on 10/2/06


part 3, or should I say in mans attitude towards issues which have no meaning in the worship of our savoir.people today just flat out judge each other,PERIOD. And a by product of all this judgement over a vast variety of issues which mean nothing spiritually are what has lead rise to a church FILLED with denominations and buildings everywhere.we would be well to remember.FIRST TAKE THE LOG FROM YOUR OWN EYE,THEN YOU CAN SEE TO REMOVE THE SPECK FROM YOUR BROTHERS EYE.
---tom2 on 10/2/06


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part 2, people today believe they need a building to worship God. when in reality they use it to separate themselves from other denominations that they think, or believe don,t have the true word,or they move to another building ,another denomination because they can,t get along, or disagree with each other.so they think, and say, come to our church for truth,behind our doors,in our building.all these different churches should not exist,they are of mans inability not to be united in the gospel truth.
---tom2 on 10/2/06


mima, let me try to give my thoughts.I believe that sfter the early church ,and the rise of the church ,meaning the roman catholic church,the whole world though well meaning was lead astray by the idea that huge buildings were needed to worship jesus.In the early church people meet everywhere,in homes,mostly,on the streets.I believe that we need to stop all this madness.I believe that is one of the main reasons why we have sooooo many denominations today..
---tom2 on 10/2/06


Depends on the purpose of the building, is it to glorify God or man?
My brother goes to a very succesful church in Torquay, they meet in the back of the Co-op store, and in fact have the hall on permanent rental. They are more concerned for the mov of God, then the bank balance.
Why I don't go there: I live 30 miles away and go to a local church.
---mike8384 on 10/1/06


A pastor is the shepard of God's "flock", how can he serve spiritual needs of 300+ people & give God sent sermons at 2 morning services? I know it's the media age but how worshipful can we get with digital screens 20' high, a preacher wearing a wireless boom mike & backed up by electronic keyboarders standing on "stage"? Worship can be held in a clean, comfortable, safe place without a $300K sound system & rolling billboard out front. Does it have to either be extravagance or poverty?
---mikefl on 9/30/06


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**but who's looking at a building? **

You'd be surprised. Lots of people do.
---Jack on 9/30/06


Thank you, Bruce. Donna, no offense but you sound like the disciples when the woman poured expensive oil on Jesus' feet. There are many needs and one cannot be neglected because of another. You may be a very strong believer, but how many of the less strong believers around you do you think will come to church if you were to meet outside or in an inconducive building, not to mention the problems of inhabiting many people, legal problems, freedom of worship, etc.
---Okebaram on 9/30/06


If the members tithe as directed in scripture,GOD WILL BLESS and there will be more than enough to accomodate the worshipers with ease. People, especially the unsaved simply will not come to a dumpy, frumpy crowded building. If they won't come, they won't hear God's WORD taught. Is it an honor to the LORD to have a crowded, unattractive building? I think not! We all want to live in a neat home,WHY in GOD'S NAME would you settle for less for HIS HOUSE of Worship? Think about it. Christians MUST tithe.
---eloia on 9/30/06


Hi Jack I purposly would NOT pick a fancy big giant church for that reason. I'd rather go to a little humble looking church that spent the extra money on people in need than on a building.
---sue on 9/30/06


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Jack, I don't think I am typical, but I would and have explored a variety, including some that were quite lacking aesthetically. It's the Spirit of the lord I seek in a church, bible based,...we all prefer comfort and nice things by nature, but who's looking at a building? Wisdom and balance are key as mentioned by others.
---christina on 9/29/06


** It shouldn't matter what the church building looks like.**
And if you were looking for a church home, would you be inclined to invenstigate a congregation that met in a dumpy looking building, at least of all you knew about it was its exterior building?
Be honest.
---Jack on 9/29/06


mima, there is no direct scripture that tells us to build all these wondeful buildings.to spend millions upon millions of dollars,non of which will be taken up into eternity.the church has dropped the ball dear.in the book of acts it tells ,and they all sold their property and it was given to all as was the need.to just say OH we are in the 21st century now is a worldly view.the world changes the gospel doesn,t,neither does the needs of the spirit,and the flesh.
---tom2 on 9/29/06


mima, the catholic church has such a vast number of properties, even a city which is a country of its own. And so many works of art and priceless thingsby the touusands.is this a waste? In my opinion OH YES.
---mima on 9/29/06


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WELL...sorry but I beg to differ with you. We had a small congragation of 150+....and started growing so fast there was no room. We put up a large, neat steel building and now have TWO Sunday morning services and they are both full. We are often baptizing people so God's WORD is getting out to a LOT of people who would never come to hear if there was no room for them.
The people tithe and help those in need..but keep in mind..."The poor (and lazy) you will always have with you".
---eloia on 9/29/06


Not really Part 2, but kind of:
I don't think the issue is big church buildings as such.
I think it's what happens when a given preacher becomes prominent and popular, building up a great big following, requiring a big building. Then when he moves on, the problem becomes finding another preacher just as possible to keep the people coming in to pay for the plant and its upkeep.
---Jack on 9/29/06


Not all churches are spending vast sums of money on colossal buildings. We have a building fund that people occasionlly donate to, this fund is for upkeep, and maintenance of the building. I see nothing wrong with this at all, it is still being good stewards of our money. We do care for the poor, we help families in need, and we also take care of the building God has given us to meet in.
---bethie on 9/29/06


I think what is needed is wisdom to strike a decent balance. Ofcos we need to worship in decent places, not gutters. At the same time its plainly immoral, to spend obscene and outrageous amounts of money on buildings.So a balance should be struck.
---pkay on 9/29/06


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**Why isn't this money being used to feed the poor, and even distributed amoung the members of the church who can't pay their bills, are starving, etc.,? **
Seems to me that Judas asked the same question. The Pharisees asked a similar one: "Why this waste?" meaning, "Why waste it on Jesus?"
Church buildings are pretty much a necessity in 21st century church life.
However, I think it's questionable for a congregation to get too big, requiring extensive buildings.
---Jack on 9/29/06


It shouldn't matter what the church building looks like. I agree with Donna, I would rather see the money being spent on people in need than a pretty building.
---sue on 9/29/06


Donna and Helen,
Where does your "church" meet? In a school? A public auditorium?
If you meet in a church building how do you think it got paid for? What happens when that building is no longer able to meet the needs of your congregation? Do you turn away the people for whom there is no room or do you make plans to accodomate them? Who will pay for the expansion?
---Bruce5656 on 9/29/06


NO. And I've had this beef with Pastors for many years. I gave to building funds/programs because I was a member of the church, but strongly opposed it. Why isn't this money being used to feed the poor, and even distributed amoung the members of the church who can't pay their bills, are starving, etc.,? If God wants a Pastor to have a building of their own, HE'll provide it and provide the funds for it.
---Donna9759 on 9/29/06


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