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No Hope For The Gentiles

Ephesians 2:12 says Gentiles had no hope before Christ came into the world. Does this scripture include Gentile infants & babies such as those killed when the firstborn of Egypt were slain or the children in the land of Canaan when Israel slayed them or the children in Sodom & Gamorrah?

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 ---Ryan on 10/3/06
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No! Scripture has nothing to do with babies.>>Paul speaks of the destitution and desolation of the unregenerate, lost and undone. Being Christless we were without rest, without life, without salvation, and without peace.
---catherine on 2/12/08

I think we should focus on the fact that now, in Christ Jesus, we have a living hope, everyone does, children, teenagers, addicts, etc. There's a living hope in Christ Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. Let's focus on the now, not the past where the covenant was a different one back then. Amen?
---Donna9759 on 2/11/08

greetings,in addition to these replies ,found in the first gospel, it is written "for the jew only"is this also the truth?
---earl on 10/8/06

we are faced with a seemingly insurmountable contradiction that seems best explained by Paul quoting Exodus 33:19: " For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." (Romans 9:15)
---Amy9384 on 10/6/06

This is not any sort of ecumenical theology or "all ways lead to God." Those who have heard the gospel of Jesus Christ and have refused to believe have rejected Him, and, as such, will fall under the condemnation of God, because they have rejected His provision for our disobedience.
---Amy9384 on 10/6/06

He is the Light that lights all men who come into the world. John 1 v9
---Amy9384 on 10/6/06

The Spirit of God has been poured out on all mankind. Acts 2:16-17

But the anointing which you have received of him abides in you, and you do not need not any man to teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in him. 1 John 2:27
Be still, and know that I am God; Psalm 46:10

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. Matthew 5:9
---Amy9384 on 10/6/06

Jesus, in the parable of the Master and the slaves (Luke 12:41-48) talked about the difference in judgment between those who know the will of God vs. those who do not know:
---Amy9384 on 10/6/06

[That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. (john 1:9)
"...for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there violation." (Romans 4:15)
---Amy9384 on 10/6/06

Those who perpetrate evil, even without the knowledge of the gospel, will likewise be condemned, since they have violated their God-given conscience.
But what happens to those who never called upon the Name of Jesus because they never heard the Name of Jesus? God will judge them in righteousness, according to His own Word. They aren't the ones the skeptic needs to worry about.
---Amy9384 on 10/6/06

"And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, shall receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. And from everyone who has been given much shall much be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more." (Luke 12:47-48)
---Amy9384 on 10/6/06

I will find the scriptures for you... give me a couple of days or so. Our household is rather sick and stealing time to surf isn't easy to come by.
---Amy9384 on 10/5/06

Amy9384, please reference the scripture that has drawn you to this conclusion:
"The Word of God says that each person who has reached the age of accountability will have an encounter with God"
---Ryan on 10/5/06

Ryan, I wholeheartedly agree with you, but I flunked

Maybe that's why I have no interest in the names of the caves David spent the night in, but want to know HOW he got through that painful night. Don't know, just guessing here.
---Donna9759 on 10/5/06

#1 Donna9769, I do agree, we all have different talents, Some were given as apostles,some as prophets, some as evangelists, some as pastors and teachers. All catagories of believiers are instructed to study scripture so we may rightly divide the word and it is imperative to feast on the word, study the word and know the word or else as God says, 'My people perish for a lack of knowledge.'
---Ryan on 10/5/06

#2 Donna9759, I applaud your zeal to spread the message of grace to the lost and your compassion for the brokenhearted. I also implore you to never overlook understanding the history God desires us to know. A history that has taken Him thousands of years to fulfill and document for our benefit. I have much to learn from you, I admire the passion you have for lost souls. I believe our talents must be shared with each other we all have something to bring to the table.
---Ryan on 10/5/06

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The Word of God says that each person who has reached the age of accountability will have an encounter with God... and will choose to follow Him or reject Him.
The Jewish people KNEW who God was and had the opportunity to make a choice to follow or not.
People now as well as then make choices that sear their minds from knowing what the truth is...and they begin practicing sin. They are in darkness and like it there and/or are unwilling to leave.

It is not God's fault.
---Amy9384 on 10/4/06

Ryan, my position is this. Everyone has a certain calling. If yours is to study the HISTORY of the Bible, then go for it. Mine is to see the brokenhearted healed and the captives set free. So I focus on what Jesus did for us. It's just our anointings are different.

There are so many hurting people out there that I don't think they care what was happening before Jesus came on the scene, they want to know HE can heal them and be free of thier pain.
---Donna9759 on 10/3/06

mima, it sounds as though the 'biblical scholar' you are refering to is suggesting some form of reincarnation.
---Ryan on 10/3/06

I have often wondered the same thing. All through the OT. the children of heathens were also heathens so I hate to say it but I think they are lost. But I do know that God is totally fair and His judgement perfect so
whatever He does it will be good and right.
---john on 10/3/06

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#2 Donna9759, You are very correct in your statement that in Christ all now have hope and this is the focus of Ephesians 2, I am pointing out how wonderful God is & how bountiful His grace is that now gentiles have hope where before they had none. However I enjoy understanding scripture in its entirety, it is important that not even gentile infants, toddlers or children had hope before Christ Jesus.
---Ryan on 10/3/06

#1 Donna9759, please help me understand your position. From your post it appears you are saying that there are certain sections of biblical history that do not deserve attention or study. This confuses me because we know all scripture is divinely inspired and given for reproof, correction & equipping of the saints.
---Ryan on 10/3/06

Here's an interesting scenario I once heard discussed. Who are you and I to say that God did not "recycle" those who perished before Christ came; back around so to speak in order for them to have a chance to be saved. Talk about way out ideas!!!!! The speaker was a Bible scholar.
---mima on 10/3/06

greetings,is our Father dividing his children into those who have and have not?is god not a respector of persons?was there ever a time when the jew was better than any other race?is God racist?was all those non jews before jesus of no value to God before jesus entered our world?is the chosen people a form of self gratification to those who claim to be a part in it?was a non jew unqualified to gain entrance into heaven prior to jesus?
---earl on 10/3/06

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