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What Is God's Sovereignty

What do you believe His sovereignty is and allows Him to do?

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.billy, you need to draw from the whole of the Word, and not just bits and pieces, for Jesus is the son of man, AND ALSO JESUS IS GOD.
---Eloy on 3/1/08

So my conclusion is " The children of the flesh will ALWAYS hate the children of the spirit, and have nothing more than a text book approach to spirituality.
God said: I will put "MY" spirit in you and cause you to walk in "MY" statutes.
Only Born Again Christians have the Spirit of God in them, and only they can hear the WORD that brings life, Righteousness,Godliness and Holiness to our fallen state.
---kathr4453 on 11/1/06

John T. thank you for your answer. You do not have to answer to Kathr, we can do that ourselves. You, Elder, Bruce, Lee, Daniel, and a great numbers of sisters, and others that are well prepared in God's word and how to interpret His word do not belong answering someone like Kathr. We can do that ourselves. She is working hard in getting you to answer wrong. Do not do it.
---karen on 11/1/06

Gods Sovereignty IS His Word. Do you hear other words other than the Bible.
The only "Words" we know are Scripture. You took what I said and distorted it to say I was refering to every single if and or but in the Bible. In the Bible, IS God's WORD.
If you are saying we can come into the Knowledge of the Lord or His wisdom apart from scripture, then where are you getting it.
What I find here is when someone makes a statement, it's usually John T that wants to make a smart remark. Next
---kathr4453 on 10/31/06

Karen, thank you for your correction, I agree 100%.

However, I was refering to another's posting without mentioning names, and I attempted to use italics to demonstrate that on October 28.

I was hoping that the lines after the first lines in those two posts would make my posiition clear. Sorry for any confusion.
---JohnT on 10/31/06

All is not fair in love and war. We are all born of the Spirit. We should have respect for others. If you have one person you have a problem with then ask that person. When you make comments you make them to all that are reformers and you call us cults and many other things. You of all people who is supposely a Christian and a sister in Christ, in one sentence you give God's word and with the other you throw a stab at all of us.
---lisa on 10/30/06

2. In one sentence you speak God, and with the other you speak hate. There is many reformers reading this blog and they will not get involve only because of what you have to say. In my heart I wish they would stand up and speak but I am only one person, and speak for myself, with my own reasons why I even answer you. I have wanted to stop answering you because you only come back with more stabs, like you enjoy it or something. If you live for that then I feel sorry for you.
---lisa on 10/30/06

The Bible is not only teaching, but HISTORY.
So, yes it contains records of what Satan and other liars and evil men said.
Those lies are recorded as history, but only a fool would take them as being Truth.
Simarly, there is a record of mistaken ideas (Job's friends for example) but that does not mean that what they said is right!
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/30/06

.God's Sovereignty is His Word. 10/21 on this blog
---JohnT on 10/30/06

Mike, you do not have any idea of what I am speaking about. Satan spoke to Eve, spoke to Jesus, and many more passages teach that Satan was speaking. His words were lies, but the word of Scripture is true. The comments made by Satan were his comments but they were mixed with truth and lies to confuse the person he was speaking to. I think you need to start at the beginning with Adam and Eve.
---karen on 10/30/06

I don't recall Satan actually speaking in the scriptures, only Jesus telling us who and what Satan is and about. Example: "Did God really say"..."God really didn't mean that"
It has never changed.

Thank you Lord for putting the character of Satan in the scriptures so that we may know what he is like, how he works, and how he comes to kill and destroy your WORD!
---Mike on 10/30/06

John 17: Sanctify them in thy truth, Thy word is truth. We are sanctified to grow up into the fullness and stature of Christ, (Ephesians 4.) and not be tossed around with every wind of doctrine. Only the doctrine of Christ.
Those who love His Precious Word, please continue in His Word, and Grow in the Grace and Knowledge of Him. Only the scriptures can do that for you. His word is wrought in us, through Grace. Those who are truly Born Again Born from above, know the truth and the power of Scripture.
---kathr4453 on 10/30/06

2 Peter 1: 2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises(HIS WORD): that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust
---kathr4453 on 10/30/06

The Bible is the inspired word of God. What He says is true. The words inside the book are not divine. What it says is true. If Satan is a word in the bible, it is not divine. If Mary is a word in the book, it is not divine. The words spoken in it are true. When Satans speaks in Scripture he lies. The accumilation of the book is so that we can read an understand what God is trying to convey to the reader.
---karen on 10/30/06

2. The orthodox view of inspiration is that God worked through the personalities of the biblical writer in such a way that, without suspending their personal styles of expression or freedom, what they produced was literally "God-breathed" 2 Tim. 3:16; Greek: (theopneustos). The emphasis of the text is that Scripture itself, not the writer only, was inspired (all Scripture is inspired by God).
---karen on 10/30/06

John, A book with pages is not Christ. The truth given from those words brings truth to the believer in the heart. I believe when Scripture calls Jesus the "Word" is just one name given to Him, just as the word "Truth" is also given. To say that He is the Word and take it to be a piece of paper is so wrong. The spiritual person makes every symbol as divine, as Morgan makes the blood divine, Instead of Christ been divine. We don't worship a book, because it has words, we worship Christ.
---karen on 10/30/06

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4. before the day is over, I will get whats coming to me too. Not scared, but waiting, because they never fail. It is in their heart already. What is in the heart always come out.
---karen on 10/30/06

lisa, I know you are referring to me, and I will say I have no hate in my heart for anyone, you, John T, karen, or Lee 1. You are the only ones who accuse me of hating you. I hate Calvinism, not the Calvinist. When someone contradicts themselves, also being nasty in the past while trying to make his point, wouldn't you say all is fair in love and war? John T uses these tactics on his opponents. Are you judging unfairly?

I don't believe any of you hate me either.
---kathr4453 on 10/29/06

Brother John T, it is useless to debate with someone that doesn't debate but says nasty things to others just because they don't agree with her. I can see nothing but hate in her heart for so many. Instead of debating God's word as we should in a Godly manner, it becomes a godless attack. I know there is many here that would like to debate so I will with those that care about God's Word.
---lisa on 10/29/06

Billy, 1 Corinthians 15:22 does not refer to all man. Can you please go back and read the whole context? In the context of what Paul was talking about was the resurrection of the dead. Start in verse 1. The subject talked about is because some Corinthian had difficulty in accepting and understanding the resurrection of believers. If He (God) didn't raised up Christ, then how could the believer believe that God would raise them up.
---lee_1 on 10/29/06

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2. Christ is the firstfruits of those who have "fallen asleep", by one man Christ, all that have fallen asleep will also rise. Not the whole world Billy. The two "alls" are alike only in the sense that they both apply to descendents from Adam. The second "all" applies only to believers, check (Galathians 3:26,29; 4:7; Eph. 3:6; Acts 20:32) and does not imply universalism (the salvation of everyone without faith).
---lee_1 on 10/29/06

"...having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the #Word of God# which lives and abides forever...." 1 Peter 1:23
---Amanda on 10/29/06

John 2:22
When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

John 7:38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
---kathr4453 on 10/29/06

The Word is LIVING and active.....
---christina on 10/29/06

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"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God ... & the Word became flesh"
Was the Bible there in the beginning? Of couyrse not.
The Word, which is God, is not the same as the Word of God
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/29/06

John T,
I said God's Word is Sovereign.
You came back and said Jesus was not the Word as stated in scripture. This is why YOU made the comment to begin with. All people have to do is go back and read the posts.

See how they love to twist your words, twist truth and then try to twist themselves out of it!

Oh what a mangled mess you leave, when first you practice to deceive!
---kathr4453 on 10/29/06

John T said: *The Word (Jesus Jn1:1) is not the same as the Bible, and we greatly err when we confuse the two.*

Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Would you like to explain how one even knows the Word, apart from the Word?
---kathr4453 on 10/29/06

God's sovereignity is his ATTRIBUTE, or one part of his divine personality. His word, the Bible has NO divine (or God-like qualies) attributes.

There is NOTHING God-like in the PAGES of the Bible.
The pages are NOT divine.
The Pages are NOT omnipresent
The pages are NOT omnipotent

Your post leads us to believe that you worship and make a god out of the paper; but I know that is not the case.
---JohnT on 10/28/06

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attributes because in ONE respect,
That is ONLY ONE aspect out of many other aspects

That aspect is that it is inert, (not a living being) and lifeless as it is words on a page.

I am dismayed that you GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to neither understand, nor to attempt to understand the things I say.

You accuse me of many false things, and it is NOT Jesus who accuses a brother in Christ
---JohnT on 10/28/06

The Word of God

Oh Father how I love your Word,
And who the Word would be,
I know the Word is your own Son
And I know He lives in me.
Oh Jesus I do love you,
And this one thing I know
Its not from our head knowledge
That your Love in us will grow
Its faith in our Lord Jesus
From the heart we open wide
To let Him in forever more
And there with Him Abide.

By Kat
---kathr4453 on 10/25/06

John T said*His word,the Bible has NO divine(or God-like qualies)attributes because in ONE respect,it is inert,and lifeless as it is words on a page.*

My question to you John T: On what Hope do you believe you will go to Heaven? And how do you know you will if you believe you will? Do you not believe the Bible is the Inspired Word of the Living God? Written throught men by the Holy Spirit?
How do you know what is true or what to believe in?

That's the most horrible thing I've ever heard.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/06

.billy, I already have answered your questions, but you will not hear them. I speak God's words, and those who are of God will hear God's words, but because you are not of God, therefore you will not hear, instead you hear only what you desire to hear.
---Eloy on 10/22/06

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Kathr, what does it even matter what I say are write. You will not even take anything into view. You are convinced about all things so anymore anwers are just a waste of time, and it is sin to waste time. I will only get more of what you have and it is not good. I will leave you with your thoughts. Thanks again,
---lee_1 on 10/22/06

(1). Lee 1, You are right, only those that believe will be saved. So acripture does tell us who all will believe, so let me give you a few.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
"The word all in both parts of this scripture is refering to all men, no acceptions".

Psa 24:1 The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. All are of God, good or bad.
---Billy on 10/22/06

(2). Lee 1, Isa 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

1Ti 4:9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1Ti 4:11 These things command and teach.
---Billy on 10/22/06

(3). Lee 1, "Jesus saves all me, and doesnt exclude those that believe".

Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Joh 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
---Billy on 10/22/06

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(4). Lee 1, 1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Luk 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
---Billy on 10/22/06

(5) Lee1, Luk 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

According to these scriptures, God has a 100% success rate, and will accomplish what hes set out to do.
---Billy on 10/22/06

Lee 1 John 3:16 says Whosoever, not whomsoever! Lets stay with the written Word. But still, what is your point?
---kathr4453 on 10/22/06

God's sovereignty is not His word and it became flesh, it is the expression that God is ruler of all things. He is King of Kings and Lord of lords. It is an expression of God that once was used in all literature. It was truth which brought comfort to many hearts, and gave virility and stability to Christian character. But today, to make mention of God's sovereignty is, in many places, to speak in an unknown tongue. God clearly declares,
---lisa on 10/22/06

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2. His sovereign right to rule over His creation. The god you have Kathr, is not the God of the Bible. You say you know about reform and you cannot even show us what God's sovereignty is. It shows your lack of knowledge into the theology yet make a lot of comments as if you knew. I don't have any idea why you would want to give man the glory, but it is your life, and your works will be judged in the end.
---lisa on 10/22/06

3. Kathr, "as many as receive Him to them He gave them power to become children of God" message clearly speaking about those that receive Him become children of God. The one's that haven't are going to eternal separation from God, and are children of wrath. What I am saying is, the One's that receive Him are the One's that God has brought to repentance. So before they recieve Jesus, they first have to see Jesus, hear Jesus and as I told you before, God gives the hearing and the eyes to see.
---lisa on 10/22/06

4. Your support against God's sovereignty is of no effect. Every passage you speak of will direct you to God. It does not direct you to man. It never will because it is God who saves, and gives life. It is God who holds you in His hands for everything. It is God who will call you when He so pleases. And you have no control over God in anything. You can sin against Him but you do face the concequences.
---lisa on 10/22/06

I sometimes wonder what pulls you away from God been Sovereign. What makes you stand so hard for the will of man. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how anyone that is a Christian, can put their whole theology on man instead of God. As Christians we are dependent upon God, we are dependent upon His teachings, yet man is exhalted so high that even Mike says he has the mind of Christ. And he really believes it. How far will man go? I guess to the top where Christ sits.
---lisa on 10/22/06

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2. In the twentieth century man is sovereign and God is not god at all. He is a spectator, allowing man to run things. He is mortal and just someone to pitty. God help us all.
---lisa on 10/22/06

.God's Sovereignty is His Word

God's sovereignity is his ATTRIBUTE, or one part of his divine personality.

His word, the Bible has NO divine (or God-like qualies) attributes because in ONE respect, it is inert, and lifeless as it is words on a page.

The Word (Jesus Jn1:1) is not the sameas the Bible, and we greatly err when we confuse the two.
---JohnT on 10/22/06

Eloy, you still didnt answer my question. Did God know where Adam was, "yes or no"? You seem to have a good spiritual answer for where Adam was, and why he was hiding, but you cant seem to see beyond the carnal mind as to why the scriptures say that God repents.
---Billy on 10/21/06

I don't know what point you wanted to give in writing the passage, "Whomsoever believes in Him will not parish but have eternal life." The message of this passage is, "that the one's that do believe, will not parish but have eternal life." A very explicit statement.
---lee_1 on 10/21/06

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God's Sovereignty is His Word. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus Christ is God, and what He said is Truth. God cannot lie. Jesus Said," For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that "Whosoever" believes in Him will not parish but have eternal life.
Those Words are sovereign. Everything He promised is sovereign. That is why we puTtour faith and trust in His WORD..Jesus Christ!
---kathr4453 on 10/21/06

The Sovereign Word of God says, "And as many as receive Him, to them gave the power to become the children of God, even to them that believe on His name". He also said "You must be Born Again". He came to give us that New Born Again Life In Him, Justified by His Blood, and saved by His risen life. We are crucified with Christ and raised up with Him, a New Creation AKA: Born Again.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/06

lee, "And Iaacob called the name of the place Penuel: for I have seen God face to face, and yet survived is my life. Blessed they of clean heart: for they will see God. All things were given to me by the Father of me: and no one knows the Son, except the Father; nor does know anyone the Father, except the Son, and to whomever will the Son reveal." Genesis 32:30; Matthew 5:8; 11:27. lee, I have no further words for you, for you are in darkness and you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 10/21/06

lisa, you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 10/21/06

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.billy, We read that Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of YHWH God. They were separated from God, just as all sinners separate themselves from God (John 3:20,21). God knew that Adam was no longer in his presence, and that he and his wife were hiding in shame.
---Eloy on 10/21/06

3. Our job as students is to find out what that point is. On the first one, talking about the bread of life, Christ is the source of sustenance for our spiritual lives. That is what Christ means about the bread of life, not a piece of bread. On the second one, about us been the light of the world, He means is, That Christians are to be examples of godly living in an ungodly world. That is what is meant by the light of the world, not light bulbs.
---lisa on 10/21/06

2. Jesus used metaphors when He said, I am the bread of life," and "You are the light of the world." Although the subject and its comparison are identified as one, the author or writer does not intend his words to be taken literally: Christ is no more a piece of bread than Christians are photon-emitters. In both similes and metaphors, becuase of their compact nature, the author usually intends to stress a single point.
---lisa on 10/21/06

Hello Eloy, half of your statement is true and the other is not. I think what you are missing is the correct way to inteprete. A metaphor is an unexpressed comparison: it does not use the words "Like" or "As". The subject talked about in a passage and the thing with which it is being compared (arms or legs) are interwined rather than kept separate. Here is what I mean Eloy,
---lisa on 10/21/06

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Eloy, so your saying that God didnt know where Adam was?
---Billy on 10/21/06

Eloy, God the Godhead is Spirit and we worship Him in Spirit. No one has seen God, the Godhead, they have seen Jesus the Son. Your failure to distinguish between the Godhead is the reason your doctrines are not true. God is a Spirit, infinite in being, glory, blessedness, and perfection. He is eternal, unchangeable, incomprehensible, and all-sufficient.
---lee_1 on 10/20/06

2. He is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. He is gracious, absolutely loving. He is revealed in nature, the written Word, and the incarnated Word-Christ himself. Thorugh Him God becomes visible to men(John 1:18). God can be "just and the justifier of him who believes in Jesus" (Romans 3:26) because His holy Law-the Mosaic Decalogue-has vindicated by Christ's death.
---lee_1 on 10/20/06

3. your lack of not studying hermeneutical means to interpret is the reason you have so much dificulty in believing certain things that Scripture writers were trying to convey to us. Almight God, is Spirit and is everywhere and has no arms are legs. God does discribe Himself in human terms so we can understand. Some even say He is 6 feet tall and weights so much. I have heard that from the word faith teachers. But don't believe all that Eloy.
---lee_1 on 10/20/06

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.billy, God does not Appear to get angry, instead, God DOES get angry and he can manifest terrible and destructive wrath. Also God does not Appear to not know things, but as I have already revealed, God is All-knowing but he chooses not to know certain things for his own purposes. He desires fellowship and interaction with man which he created, which is one valid reason why he himself became as a man.
---Eloy on 10/20/06

.lee, Jesus is God, it is right to describe him in personal terms. Scripture is absolute and not of any private interpretation, and you blaspheme and know not the truth. We read and know that God has a soul, he is Omnipresent Spirit, has a pierced body, and that he grieves, weeps, cries, mourns, has humor, laughs, rejoices, loves, has compassion, ignores, hates, makes light, makes darkness, made heaven, made hell, creates, destroys, wounds, heals, blesses, curses, keeps his word, and changes his mind.
---Eloy on 10/20/06

.lee, Jesus alone is my God, and you are wrong in saying that I formed him, which is not in the Scripture. But you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 10/20/06

Eloy, you have formed a god that is not from Scripture. He is Spirit Eloy, and I believe that when you read the context of what He says, you will see the purpose of all those words. The real meaning. You have a problem from the beginning because you make God to be as a human. Only Christ was human, The Son. God is Omnipotent and ruler of the world. He is Spirit and the passages that speak of Him as human is to show us in the only way we can understand.
---lee_1 on 10/20/06

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2. When the Bible speaks of Him in human terms it is because that is the only way we can make sense of things, not becuase He can extend His arms for He has no arms, when He extends his hand, it is not because He has hands. Nothing is further from the truth what you say. You need to be right with the issue of the Trinity before you can understand.
---lee_1 on 10/20/06

2. If you will notice that everything told to the people was what they had to do and not do. If you go to Deut.29:2-5, you will read what Moses told the people. It is a clear passages for Israel, plus God "had not" given them a heart to perceive or eyes to see or ears to hear. So they were working on nothing but works. Now that is a very clear passage that shows the condition of the people.
---lee_1 on 10/20/06

Eloy, so in Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?You would have to say that God isnt Omnipresent or Omniscient. But what we truely have, is not an indication that God is not omnipresent/omniscient, but a choice bit of irony at the expense of man, to show Adam where he stood with God. Eloy, If you could uderstand why an God Appears to get angry, and not know where people are, you could understand Gods point. If you cant see it, I cant help you Earl.
---Billy on 10/20/06

.billy, God indeed has regretted that he made man. And God also grieves, cries and weeps. Please read Genesis 6:5-7; Judges 10:16; Jeremiah 48:30-33,36.
---Eloy on 10/19/06

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.billy, It is common for the worldly-minded to relish in their grandiose delusions. I am not persecuting you, for I have no use in persecuting any one, but I am merely correcting your error in misapplying scripture passages.

God is not driven, but exact in giving out his judgment. You take parts of Scripture and propose wrong doctrine from it, so I brought the issue up only to show that, one: God is the Son of man, namely Jesus Christ; and two: God does regret things, and also changes his mind.
---Eloy on 10/19/06

.billy, God has power to know all things, and chooses to not know certain things. God chooses not to know certain things for his own purposes: like in order to be able to greatly rejoice at his creation which freely chooses to do right, or to be able to weep at his creation which freely chooses to do wrong. God's soul laughs, and weeps, and becomes angry just like people do, else what would be the purpose of his creating a hell and him having wrath; or else creating a heaven and him having pleasure?
---Eloy on 10/19/06

God did make people with a free will, since Adam and Eve did not have a sin nature and they were free to obey or disobey. But they disobeyed and the fall left man without a free will for his nature is fallen and does what he desires and that is to do evil. He is not in the same condition then before the fall. He has a fallen nature and is inslave to sin
---lee_1 on 10/19/06

2. God did not make robots either, he made man in his image, but did give them a free will. But Adam took everyone down with him when he sinned. Adam had no reason to sin, he was not moved by desires to sin since he didn't have a sin nature. He was under a covenant of works and perfect obedience. Obey, have eternal life, disobey, death. Spiritual and physical.
---lee_1 on 10/19/06

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(1). Eloy, it brings joy to my heart to suffer reproach for Christ sake to be called such things as not having a regenerated mind and cant discern things that are spiritual. Is that the best you can do? They called Jesus a lot worse.

Eloy, do you really think that God knowing all things, including what King Ahab and his wife Jezebel was going to do, could be driven to such anger to say what he said to Ahab, and God knowing in advance that Ahab would repent?
---Billy on 10/19/06

(2). Is God that inmature to resort to such actions, or was God allowing Ahab to see his sinfull ways, which would lead him to repentance? Which was all a part of Gods sovereign plan. It doesnt make sence that God can let man move him to anger when God knew it was going to happen before he created man in the first place.

Eloy, I dont know if you have children, but say you told your child not to go into the woods behind your house, and you knew he was going to go into those woods anyway.
---Billy on 10/19/06

(3). Why would you be moved to anger if you knew what he was going to do? But instead, appear to be angry with him so that your child will understand how wrong his actions were, and lead him to repentance. Eloy, God knows what He's doing. God hasnt repented of ever creating man, but is showing us how sinfull we are, and that we are in need of a Saviour.

I hope this helps you see why God uses relative statements in his word.
---Billy on 10/19/06

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