After I spend time with each parishoner, I could tell you.
---Eloy on 5/11/08|
I have learnt that to judge is wrong. It is good that at least the people are still going to church. We should pray that those that do attend's spiritual eyes would be opened and their ears so that the Word would go in and change them to the likeness f God.
---Junia on 4/14/07|
It would be very unchristian of me to try to judge another persons walk with Christ.
If someone discloses an issue with their salvation thats one thing, but trying to guess who is saved and who is not, is playing God.
---lynet on 4/13/07|
Jesus said: "By their fruits ye shall know His sheep." How. They radiate with the light of Christ in their demeanors. You can see it in the aura that surrounds them. They help others, they are not selfish or vain. They live by example. their actions speak volumes. To them, if Jesus were standing beside them, nothing they do would cause Him embarassment or pain, seven days a week. They repent daily, study and pray often. Isn't that how everyone should live. To glorify Jesus and not themselves.
---ashley on 4/13/07|
If you're truly Christian, Matthew 7:1 forbids your making such an estimate.
---Jack on 4/13/07|
This question reminds me of the dialogue about how many angels could fit on the end of a pin! I wonder if God expects us to ponder this question? I'm leaving the tares & the wheat to Him. He knows who they are, & He has a plan for each group. Better we grow deeper in the Word of God and present mature Christlikeness to the ones whom God gives us opportunity to witness of Him in church or out. I think it could be dangerous to begin scrutinizing people in church wondering which percentage they fall under.
---Linda on 10/16/06|
I would say most all of them are. Not by how they dress but how they act. I know their fruit. If their spirit bares witness to my spirit, I know they are of God.
---Rebecca_D on 10/16/06|
** Like the rest of you I'm not one to judge people, but I do think that if they just come on Sundays and not to Wednesday night Bible Study or other functions that are planned to enjoy fellowship, I have a tendency to wonder.**
I know someone who loves his church which has 3 regularly scheduled functions during the week in addition to Sunday.
His illness (fibromyalgia) and not having a car make it difficult, if not impossible, for him to attend all of them.
---Jack on 10/15/06|
Norma -- "I forgot" is an HONEST answer...no adult should have to feel the NEED for an "excuse".
jobs that include week nights, week-ends, overtime, travel.
kids with late sports practice or need for homework help. PTA.
small kids early bedtimes
elderly parents who make unexpected demands
illness, fatigue, take-home work from the job.
Some people are at church anytime the door opens. It doesn't mean the rest aren't Christians.
---Donna2277 on 10/14/06|
Norma ... Is it more important to "fellowship" than to be out in the world witnessing, loving our neighbours & feeding the hungry & clothing the naked and visiting the lonely? (and sometimes looking after our families?)
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/14/06|
Norma: My attendance at church is on alternating Sundays, as I work every other weekend. I also do not attend weeknight functions, except for a Bible study every other week, that is not church sponsored. I work weeknights too.
There are many people who have a full plate, with kids in soccer, and ballet, and trying to get the homework done, and take care of elderly parents.
Family life is crazy enough these days, without adding guilt because people do not attend Wednesday nights too.
---Madison1101 on 10/14/06|
Like the rest of you I'm not one to judge people, but I do think that if they just come on Sundays and not to Wednesday night Bible Study or other functions that are planned to enjoy fellowship, I have a tendency to wonder. The biggest excuse I've heard is "I forgot."
---Norma7374 on 10/14/06|
I don't know, but God certainly does!!!!!
---Susie on 10/14/06|
** Jack, I could ask you the same question, how do you know you are born again?**
You are the one making the attack statements about other people's spiritual condition, not I.
How do you know the Holy Spirit lives in your heart? Because you say He does?
Don't forget, Martin Luther's defintion of "justifying faith" is "the faith that believes itself to be justified." This is nothing but Pelagianism--which pop-evagelicalism tends towards.
---Jack on 10/14/06|
I agree that genuine Christians are few. But
"Most True believers do not attend local Churches"? Are you sure?
Maybe it depends on where you live.
---Donna2277 on 10/12/06|
Jack, I could ask you the same question, how do you know you are born again? I know because He the Holy Spirit lives in my heart. Here is what worries me:
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
---Rev_Herb on 10/12/06|
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Bruce I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.
---mima on 10/12/06|
I've read the average Church with True Believers in the 1990's was around 6-12%.
Most True believers do not attend local Churches. Many are Home Churching today.
---Mike on 10/12/06|
I don't know because I don't know their hearts. Their outward actions are friendly, give you a hug on Sunday's, but at picnics, an "elite" group goes off by themselves, but the Pastor sat with me and my friends, not with them. How do you judge if their truly Christians or not? By their heart, right? Not by their outward actions, right?
---Donna9759 on 10/12/06|
I did not take Jack to be questioning Herb's salvation. Rather he was making the point that if 90% are decieved, how can Herb be so sure he is not.
---Bruce5656 on 10/12/06|
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I wish to defend Rev. Herb concerning his salvation. Rev. Herb's wrong or misguided doctrines(and I also believe he has some) do not determine his being saved. Whether or not he is saved is determined by what he has done with the Lord Jesus Christ. Certainly I would not question his salvation, but he does have very constraining Conservative views. Jack suggest not judging, why then judge Rev. Herb?
---mima on 10/12/06|
Very good question, Jack! I don't know him personally but some of his doctrines make me wonder.
---Okebaram on 10/11/06|
** I heard somewhere that it is estimated that only 10% of church members are truely born again. Frightning isn't it?**
And how do you know for sure that YOU are really born again, Rev. Herb?
---Jack on 10/11/06|
Interesting interpretation, wrong, but interesting.
We are encouraged to examine our faiyth and make sure it fits in with the scripture, it is clearly laid out what it means to be a Christian.
7:1 menas not to hypocritically judge others by a standard that you don't live by yourself.
---mike8384 on 10/11/06|
God alone knows the hearts of all. Who am I to judge? I do know, however, that some congregations are filled with believers, and some are not.
---Christina on 10/10/06|
Alan ... Jack is right. It is not for us to judge.
Neither is it for us to judge each other here, althouh some try to do so
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/11/06|
Without actually polling with a detailed set of criteria that would be impossible to know.
Even then, who's to say a human's "critera" are as far reaching as what God has seen and determined.
I agree with Jack, not right to judge the fate or faith of others, but by being honest with one another we stay accountable.
---Pharisee on 10/10/06|
I heard somewhere that it is estimated that only 10% of church members are truely born again. Frightning isn't it?
---Rev_Herb on 10/10/06|
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