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It is "that which pertaineth unto a man" and not "clothing, aparell or pants."
That which pertaineth unto a high priest, breastplate of judgment) King,(ruler) captain (he who guides our "ship" and husband (final say in all matters).
The breastplate of judgment, righteousness, the clothing of His glory.
Those rebellious members of the bride that judge others and preach when not called by God are wearing that which pertaineth unto a man.
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---Frank on 3/28/08 |
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In simplicity and in the natural, or by nature:
Men need no bra and women need no male athletic supporter.
Frank |
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---Frank on 3/28/08 |
Dan, No, people just needs to grow up, and grow in God. The reason why people are looking down on others is because they are childish and need a lesson on love. |
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---Rebecca_D on 3/28/08 |
The Bible "never" says women can't wear "pants". It say for a woman not to wear "men's" clothing. Men wear every kind of clothing women wear including in the Bible days they wore skirts and dress like clothing.So what "What can a woman wear? A bra?" Because it's the "only clothing" men don't wear. Because men wore skirts does that mean women can't? |
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---Marie on 3/27/08 |
What we are really looking at here in reality, is a woman who dresses like a man. Which is called cross dressers.
You go and buy a shirt out of the women's section and 1 out of the men's, what would you do?
1.Throw both shirts away because men wear shirts?
2.It doesn't matter they are both shirts?
3.Wear the woman's shirt? |
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---Marie on 3/27/08 |
I don't believe that a true christian would judge a person based on their clothes. just an aside on 'tight' vs. 'loose', my mother an old fashion conservative preacher's wife gave me a guiding phrase, "God made beauty to behold, just don't be holdin' that beauty." |
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---dan on 3/27/08 |
No true Christian who has the fear of God in them, is going to look down on anyone! dan! Still we cannot, must not, ignore the sins of its people. We need some people in the body of Christ who knows something. God can help. |
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---catherine on 3/26/08 |
Some christians look down on women in general, does that mean women shouldn't be in church? |
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---dan on 3/26/08 |
No it isn't a silly question, because some (alot) of people will frown upon women for wearing pants to church. I feel this decision is between the woman and God. I don't wear pants to church because I don't feel right wearing pants to church. I think that a woman shouldn't wear pants to church due to respect for the Lord, but it isn't wrong for them to do so. A woman can worship in pants just as a woman can wearing a dress. |
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---Rebecca_D on 3/26/08 |
Here is my opinion. Personally I do not wear pants at all. It was simply conviction for me. Very personal. I think that reguardless of what you wear modesty is of the upmost importance. If your personal conviction says its wrong than it is wrong for you to do it. Just opinion thats it opinion. |
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---Mikki on 3/26/08 |
this is a rather silly question..think back to Christ's days..what were they all wearing? Women and men were wearing the same attire..they wore caftans..so today, men and women wear pants ..we have pants for men, and pants for women..please, stop this silly arguement..grow up i SHOULD SAY |
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---operator on 3/26/08 |
I'm so greatful that so many people are attempting to find the truth. i haven't settled on the issue. I do understand the we are to remain modest but there is also the definition of pants these days. There is the idea of dressing as a lookin like a man in your dress and there is a new deifiniton for pant so how do you feel wearing pants that are modest not overly apparent and that aren't manly... is that wrong too? |
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---Whit*Bits on 3/20/08 |
I disagree with the majority of you. It is actually against the BIBLE to wear pants. Read Exodus 28:42-43. Then look up the definition of breeches in any dictionary. THEN read Deuteronomy 22:5. Its very plain actually. |
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---Debo on 1/9/08 |
The priests wore breeches which are a sort of pants.
But then all Christians are called priests and kings unto our God in Revelation. Including the women.
This blog is about a joke and a shame as it strains at a gnat and swallows a camel.
Those scriptures have serious spiritual meanings to go along with the carnal ones which cause them to weigh the thoughts and intents of the heart and make it manifest at the throne of God.
Frank |
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---Frank on 10/1/07 |
Andrea ... You are quite right ... pants are not in the Bible, even for men! Had men worn them they would probably have been reagarded a freaks if not worse. Men wore robes then, which are more like dresses than pants.
What a nonsense this argument has become. |
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---alan_of_UK on 10/1/07 |
pants are not in the Bible.
I'd think judging by how much is revealed in today's dresses - it would be more modest to wear pants. Of course God is looking at your heart - so a modest dress is better then sexy pants and a clean heart is better then a judgmental spirit. |
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---Andrea on 10/1/07 |
Alan, based on Carla's fears, I recommend you to ignore my suggestion and stick to your old Oxford ictionary. |
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---Caring on 10/1/07 |
I love the old fashion bible/books they have more truth and facts in them all these so called new versions, very much like a Chinese Whisper holding some truths but not all truth and they are even known to omit original meanings and paragraphs. |
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---Carla5754 on 9/30/07 |
Alan, that's an old version of Oxfort that you have. You have to look at the latest revision :)) |
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---Caring on 9/28/07 |
Alan, that's an old version of Oxford that you have. You have to look at the latest revision :)) |
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---Caring on 9/28/07 |
Bless the Lord for Alans ictionary He He...
Thanks for that one I was being lazy to look it up but I knew it didn't mean discontinued not this side of the world anyway! |
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---Carla5754 on 9/28/07 |
If the bible says women are not to dress in men specifc clothing, and I know God is talking about obedience connecting to the sin's of this world. Remember just because we are saved, it also means from sin. So Shun the very Appearance of it, meaning be careful of nothing. We may be shown up for our wrong doing it don't mean continue ingnorant in them. Caring will you look up Ignorant too? |
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---Carla5754 on 9/27/07 |
Caring ... In my Oxford English ictionary, Common sense is defined as ""normal understand, good practical sense in everyday affirs, general feeling (of mankind or commununity)"
Hope that helps |
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---alan_of_UK on 9/27/07 |
I see nothing wrong with a woman wearing jeans and my wife's jeans are not good for men because they have some fancy designs that are not made for men.
Who cares what one dresses as long as the dressing is decent. |
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---Caring on 9/26/07 |
God is more interested in our inner man. if that is in order then the outward appearance will be too. |
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---amy8445 on 9/26/07 |
Whether in church or out of church, a women should not wear the apparall of a man. She should look like a women and a man should look like a man. God made us different.So we might glorify the church. God mad man and then he made women from the rib of man. lets learn the meaning of Godly perportion.Man,women children.Rightly dividing the word |
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---Shelia on 9/26/07 |
Betty2 - and for you then it would be sin.
If I thought it was sin to not go to church every week then if I didn't go - it would be a sin.
where the word is not explicit - it is up to conscience sake. |
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---Andrea on 9/26/07 |
Carla said: "Let common Sense abode!"
I looked up the phrase "common sense" in the dictionary and it says "discontinued". |
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---Caring on 9/26/07 |
What makes me have to chuckle is the fact that we concern ourselves with the most trivial things in life and the most serious things go unchallenged. Let common Sense abode! If your going to wear your husbands/wifes clothing as acceptable for Godly worship then this should be taken up by the mebership (If you are a known memeber of your church). Leave (strangers) alone unless you are familiar with them or in charge of all new comers concerning their salvation! |
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---Carla5754 on 9/26/07 |
The bible says seek out your on salvation with fear and tremling.Im not going to take the chance I will wear dresses .i don't belive in wearing slacks but i had rather see a women wearing slacks than some of these women that wear there dresses up to there yes mam and show everything up top also |
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---Betty2 on 9/25/07 |
Jen, e-mail me over the ChristiaNet e-mail system and I will tell you. My name is Miche4368. There are so many, I don't have enough room to explain them all here. |
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---Michelle on 9/24/07 |
Did Jesus wear pants (or trousers as we call them in the UK)
If we men nowadays wore what Jesus and His disciples wore, many of you, (including linda, who made ridiculous denouncement) would condemn us for wearing "what pertains to a woman" |
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---alan_of_UK on 9/24/07 |
#2
Jeans are jeans to an extent.
Levi 537 jeans actually have stronger belt loops because of the rivets than men's. The only difference outwardly is the red tag on the back pocket.
Why would supposedly women's jeans be made stronger and more durable than men's?
If a man wears them because they will last it is nothing but jeans.
If he wears them to be effeminate it is sin.
Few could tell the difference anyway.
Frank |
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---Frank on 9/24/07 |
#3
What people should worry about is the spiritual aspects of what they show the Lord.
When we (the church, bride, woman) try to obtian salvation by our works alone or judge others we are wearing that which "pertaineth unto a man."
He is the Lord and the mitre of HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD is his and not ours.
He wears the breastplate of judgment.
Frank |
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---Frank on 9/24/07 |
Linda said: "It definitely IS a sin for a woman to wear pants. The Bible says that women should NOT wear that which pertains to man."
My wife steals my shirts, t-shirts, sweaters jackets and shorts all the time and no, she is not committing a sin. I don't see anyone wearing long garbs like Christ did besides, 2000 years ago, men and women used to wear long dresses.
Linda, wake up - it's 2007. |
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---Caring on 9/24/07 |
Further to my previous post, neither my wife or myself wear shorts for church but we wear each other t-shirts/sweaters/jackets in church. Well, she wears my jackets but I don't wear her pink or baby blue jackets ,)) |
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---Caring on 9/24/07 |
#4
We could get carried away with foolishness with this.
Women's unmentionables called boyshorts with a faux fly are sin if the woman wears them if the thoughts of her heart are to belike a man.
Men wearing ballet tights are just as bad when they dance around in an effeminate manner acting like girls.
Nature should tell us how to act and what to wear. It should correspond with the body we have and a heart fully trying to please Jesus without getting legalistic or just plain stupid.
Frank |
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---Frank on 9/24/07 |
Recently I was in a Southern Baptist Church by invitation of a member(the man wanted me to hear his pastor). There was a new visitor to this church she was a middle-aged lady who had on shorts, not short shorts, but shorts. I heard many comments about this,but the thing that caught my eye about thic church was the fact that they had the NIV Bible in the back of the pews. Knowing what I know this concerned me greatly. |
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---The_short_were_Mima on 9/24/07 |
#1
Some people strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.
Doesn't nature itself even show a person that a man has nothing to be held in a bra?
The thoughts and intents of the heart are what the word makes manifest.
An after shower wrap is just a wrap for a man.
If the man wears it to be a skirt with an effeminate heart it is sin since he is trying to be effeminate.
As a wrap it is a covering but as a skirt it is a woman's garment (in his heart.)
Frank |
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---Frank on 9/24/07 |
NO it is not a sin. That is if God approves. I believe that God expects different things from some of us. I live a pretty strict life. What may be a sin to one may not be a sin for another Christian. With one Christian, God may forbid eating pork, whereas another Christian may be allowed. Do you see my point? Drinking wine is another good example. Lets do not be so legalistic. |
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---catherine on 9/24/07 |
It depends on "how loose" loose is? If you mean "baggy", or if you mean loose like pants "falling down" and crying out for a belt to hold them up. |
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---Eloy on 9/23/07 |
No church has the authority to impose a dress code on the members. The preacher can and should teach on it because he is the messenger of God.He is compelled to preach the Word of God. Hearing the Word changes lives not restrictions and legalism.Prayer also bring changes. |
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---Robyn on 9/23/07 |
In recent years it was very difficult to find a decent length skirt unless you were handy with a machine and getting full length clothing in Britain has just come into the fashion making it easier if thats what you like to wear. I'd much rather someone in a suitably fashion pair of pants/slacks/trousers made for their right size than what used to roam upon the pulpit in the early 80's 90's. which many older women complained their spouses eyes were lead astray at some of the sights LOL |
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---Carla5754 on 9/23/07 |
If one cannot go in love to a sister that is not suitably dressed and be able to explain that their dress code is not acceptable with reasonable concerns then one should concern ones self about being a role model rather than a dictator of wearing pants only. when female pants are are CLEARLY not made for MEN. We are still allowed our own liberty in trivial matters which do not cause a brother or sister to stumble out of ignorance to garments decently designed for women. |
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---Carla5754 on 9/23/07 |
I know two middle-aged women who were turned away from a church because they were wearing trousers (they were visitors). I'm guessing that the ones who will be held to account are more likely to be the ones who did the turning away than those who wore the trousers. |
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---RitaH on 9/23/07 |
what kind of visions do you have, Michelle? |
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---Jen on 9/23/07 |
WHY ALL THE LEGALISM Is it wrong for women to wear pants come on Just how will my husband wear my type of trousers or indeed I wear his The fashion of the world is all about promoting breasts showing your assets off like never before and decent women don't do that Ladies suits are not worn by saved men visa versa Ive never seen a saved person cross dress Of course one can wear a pair of slacks pants or trousers made for women Just don't go annoying a particular denomination if thats not their dress code |
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---Carla5754 on 9/23/07 |
Part2- to all those legalist out there who just read that and are about ready to condemn me, let me tell you I am a born-again, spirit filled, blood bought believer in Christ. I have my name written in the Lamb's book of Life and I know whom my redeemer is. Get a load of this one too- I prophecy, have visions, dreams and I interpret them all! I also interpret others. I usually don't tell people this but I will this time to prove this point. |
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---Michelle on 9/22/07 |
Would God give gifts like prophecy to someome who was in such an obviously deep spiritual sin such as wearing pants? Would God bring me into such a deep intimacy with him every time I worship if I was a harlot bound for hell because of my pants. I wear pants to church and yes, I even wear them on stage when I sing in the choir- oh my goodness, call the other pharisees now! Get he stake out of your own eyes before you judge others. |
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---Michelle on 9/22/07 |
No it is not a sin, but it depends on the church dress code is what the women wears. Jesus looking for the lost not what u are wearing. He even said What is on the outside defiles the man, but what defiles the inside destroys the soul and heart, something like that I know I word it wrong. But I hope u all got what im saying. |
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---ANN on 9/22/07 |
O and another thing Jesus and God is my only judge and if us women who choose to wear pants, then I'm can beat Jesus will tell us, But like the Bible says, He who is without sin cast the first stone, and Im in a sinner's body even though im a Christian so, im not going to Judge nobody on what they wear or don't wear Are You? |
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---ANN on 9/22/07 |
God looks at the heart, although we are not to dress trashy, wearing pants won't send a woman to hell. Jesus was talking about how the pharises would clean up the outside but inside be full of dead mens bones...again I beleive it is the heart that matters to God. |
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---amy on 9/22/07 |
There is no difference in women wearing pants and men wearing dresses.
---Linda on 9/22/07
In this case men should be wearing tunics like they wore when this was written Which is more then a little ridiculous and not worth debating.
MY pants are not my husbands.
Judging by the exterior is superficial! |
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---Andrea on 9/22/07 |
Linda, God does say that. "Deu 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God. However, don't you think that God accepts different customs. Did any man wear trousers in Jesus' day? |
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---RitaH on 9/22/07 |
It definitely IS a sin for a woman to wear pants. The Bible says that women should NOT wear that which pertains to man. That does not necessarily mean men's pants, it means PERTAINS TO, or similar to. Even though they are made for women, they are pants nonetheless. If God had said for men not to wear that which pertains to women, do you think men would be wearing dresses (made especially for them)? I don't think so. There is no difference in women wearing pants and men wearing dresses. |
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---Linda on 9/22/07 |
It is definitely not a sin for a Christian woman to wear pants. It is only a sin when they are too tight and revealing. |
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---Helen_5378 on 8/7/07 |
If we dressed loike Jesus would that makes men holier. I know the difference bt men's pants and womens pants so when I dress in pants they are women's clothing. Silly, just silly. And its not a Pentecostal teaching. I go to Pent churches and most women are in pants. you need to be in pants to do all that rejoicing modestly. |
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---Andrea on 8/6/07 |
I wonder what God's chosen vessel Queen Esther was wearing when she was chosen to replace the deposed but beautiful former Queen Vashti in the king's beauty paegant among stiff(?) competition! By moving the king's hand on his scepter, an entire kingdom was forever changed!
Had to be more than an anointed glow (it helps)! Beauty? Wholesomeness? Shapely? Just a Knockout? I'll take all of the above [without lusting, just 'scoping', lol] 12Prov.4 . |
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---bob_[Elishama]_6749 on 8/6/07 |
"...whatsoever not of faith is sin..."! Many garments a woman/lady can wear pertaining to a man & vv.
Loose female pants on some women/ladies are very becoming on them. Again many women/ladies wear tight(er) [men] pants, etc for many different reasons/circumstances other than catching men's attention, etc.
1John 3:18->22. Female 'pants' in many cultures were always aceptable. A moral, attractive woman is attractive in a dress/skirt, or pants. Bottom Line? One's INNER SPIRIT! |
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---bob_[_Elishama]_6749 on 8/6/07 |
Women wearing women's pants is hardly violating the law against wearing clothes pertaining to the opposite sex. Men wouldn't be seen dead in women's pants!
In biblical times, both sexes wore robes. Men's had a single colour, while women wore multi-coloured ones. |
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---Ktisophilos on 7/20/07 |
chritian women should be modest,we christian ladies should be different from the world the scripeture sais be he not conform to this world 1thimoty2verse9to10 its important there is a difference evely7875 |
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---evelyn_everts on 6/16/07 |
I believe that woman wearing pants is an issue of social norms and heart.
By social norms I is this going to be offensive to others. By heart I mean listen to God, is your intention clean. One issue that comes to mind is modesty. Ladies please respect that men are very visual creatures. And what you wear tempts us. Yes we are responsible for ourselves aswell. So please consider this in what you wear. But the pants, loose pants don't sound to be too racy. |
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---Marty on 6/15/07 |
I see no reason why it is wrong for a woman to wear pants to church. God is more concerned with the inside of us than the outside anyway. If we take care of the inside (our relationship with Him) He will lead us in all areas of our life. |
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---maryj9396 on 6/15/07 |
Steveng, there are a few of us that can see behind the thin curtain into your pandora's box of who knows what.
Some of your answers give us the creeps, and some of them reveal a troubled life. I don't care if you've studied with Walt Disney. |
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---Carly on 6/15/07 |
Steven G, saying that the Holy Ghost won't permit you to answer for yourself regarding a set of laws you have used AGAINST someone is the equivalent of saying that God will let you speak against someone but not speak for yourself when, in fact, He never speaks through you what He isn't speaking to you. You can find that principle in Ezekiel 2 where Ezekiel is told to eat the word first and then go to the rebellious house of Israel. |
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---Linda on 6/15/07 |
A living word is better than a dead one any day. Not able to answer because you aren't living it yourself then, by all means, don't hold any of it over anyone else. You bring yourself under serious scrutiny when you do. |
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---Linda on 6/15/07 |
So Steve, you're God's messenger??? |
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---NurseRobert on 6/15/07 |
Sue: "Yea, but Steve, you're not God. We can ask you a question and expect an answer, right?"
Not if the Holy Spirit has not allowed me to answer. What does the Bible say about a person giving an answer not spoken by God? Just because you live in a culture that expects immendiate results or answers, it doesn't mean you'll get an immediate answer from God or a messenger of God. And don't expect an answer to tickle your ears, so please don't shoot the messenger. ;) |
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---Steveng on 6/14/07 |
In the OT, a man was disqualified from the priesthood if he had a bent nose. By that Law, a man with a crooked nose in this day couldn't join the priesthood of believers by being born again. If you take the OT literal law and bring in the spiritual reality, then a bent nose is crooked discernment aka not discerning the body of the Lord Jesus. Not properly discerning the body of the Lord Jesus will keep you from expressing the priesthood you are because of weakness, sickness, and death (asleep). |
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---Linda on 6/14/07 |
You cannot take what is literal in the OT and make it literal in the New Covenant because of the weakness and infirmity of the flesh. If you do, you disqualify everybody, even yourself, because the Scripture concludes all under sin (Gal.3:22). In other words, there is only one conclusion to what is written: all are under sin. There is only one qualification: believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, which puts one under grace instead of under what is written. |
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---Linda on 6/14/07 |
We can find a lot ABOUT Jesus in the Scriptures but if you don't find Him personally, all you have is rules and regulations. Head knowledge says, "I can do it." Heart revelation says, "He has done it therefore I am." The 10 commandments are a revelation of God's righteous nature...HIS righteous nature, not ours. He doesn't lie, doesn't commit adultery, doesn't covet, steal, or murder. |
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---Linda on 6/14/07 |
The revelation of Him and His work surpasses the commandments because before He ever wrote a commandment on stone, He said, "I am the Lord thy God who hath brought thee out of the land of Egypt and out of the house of bondage." If I never commit adultery, it is because the Lord my Maker is my husband. If I never lie, it is because He is the faithful and true witness. If I never steal, it is because He is all I need. |
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---Linda on 6/14/07 |
If I never covet, it is because He is my one desire. The revelation of Him is not something we decide. It is the Christ within us we discover through intimate relationship. Deciding who He is head knowledge only. Discovering who He is in you is what is real to you. |
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---Linda on 6/14/07 |
Gee I don't know I do it sometimes. I believe that God judges the heart not the peesonal appearance. |
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---Franc4938 on 6/14/07 |
It is true, You can ask God for a quick answer. You may get one, you may have to wait. Rest for sure, If you are walking close to God you will get an answer. And by the way: Why are so many people going to other people for answers, When there is a God ready to help? |
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---catherine on 6/14/07 |
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