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What Is Free Will

What is "Free will"? everyone seems to fight for it so much and even get angry when someone mentions that man does not have a free will. It has to have a definition, can someone explain what free will is?

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2#God alone does not equal salvation because God does not need to be saved and a relationship is necessary for salvation, not an imposition. it takes 2 free wills to form a relationship. 2 not 1. Your worst statement is this: "Our God is not willing to save everyone." I don't know what god you are talking about but John 3:16 is one of the millions of biblical proof that isn't true for the true God. On the other hand there is no biblical support for your statement...
---Okebaram on 4/6/08


(1.)Someone said this : "There is no such thing as free will in the Bible. For the Christian there is freedom from, not freedom to."

Free- will not in the Bible? You must have a different Bible than mine. Free-will equals making choices, the Holy Spirit leads God's people into all truth, when He isn't resisted. Jesus said whosoever will..., The Word/Christ says CHOOSE this day whom you will serve, choice is always there.
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/20/07


(2.)Believing that man don't have free will like Mr. Roboto, is dangerous, to say the least, leaves the door open to many seducing spirits. Christians have the free will to choose God, self, or the devil, daily, and it better be God/the tree of Life, it is always like that, God or death. Walking in the Spirit, vital. Jesus said "Remember Lot's wife", she made a bad choice, it wasn't God/His Will, and she paid for it, just like Adam and Eve (Luke 17:32).
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/20/07


There is no such thing as free will in the Bible. For the Christian there is freedom from, not freedom to. You are to bring every thought captive, and every aspect of your life to conform to scripture and to those in authority. To question authority is to flirt with rebellion. To speak of free will is to compromise with the devil.
---John on 8/20/07


Free will is another name for selfisness. We have to be accountable for our actions and to someone in this life. Free will lets us make our own decisions and hopefully we make right choices. Most of the time people do not make the right choices, if they feel it takes away some form of their perceived freedom. This is why we have laws,rules, policeman,courts and other law enforcement procedures in place.
---Robyn on 8/20/07




Free will is the capability to choose between right and wrong, light and darkness, good and bad. Humans have a free will.
---Helen_5378 on 8/20/07


"What is "Free will"? everyone seems to fight for it so much and even get angry when someone mentions that man does not have a free will."

--Only those who are not walking in the Spirit would say that man don't have free-will, men are not robots, God didn't create man like that. God's [true] people understand this: (2 Corinthians 10:3).
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/19/07


There is at least twenty more verses that I could put down and explain but it would take a long time to answer. The children of God are free from bondage. They are born of the Spirit. A christian has been given liberty by which Christ has made us free, and we are not to be entangled again with the yoke of bondage. That is the word of the Lord.
---lisa on 7/30/07


Hello Okebaram, while it is ok to hear your comments, they have to come from Scripture. What I have presented to you is from Scripture. The faith to believe does come from God and without it you are a none-believer. Take the passage Acts 17:28,"For in Him we live and move and have our being as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring." In Him we live, and move, and have our being" was a great example that Paul was giving.
---lisa on 10/31/06


2. Paul was not speaking to the church or the apostal only, he was speaking to the Heathen audience, to those who worshipped "the unknown God" and who mocked when they heard of the resurrection of the dead. The apostle Paul did not hesitate to affirm that they lived and moved and had their being in God, which signified not only that they owed their existence and preservation to the One who made the world and all things therein, but also that the very actions were encompassed
---lisa on 10/31/06




3. and therefore controlled by the Lord of heaven and earth. Compare Dan. 5:23, last clause. To insist that some men, at least, do thwart God's will and overturn His counsels, is to repudiate other Scriptures equally explicit. "For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it?" In the subject of grace, God gives grace as He see's fit to give. He does not give faith because He saw something good in you, are because you were wiser then others. It was His choice to give
---lisa on 10/31/06


4. and Eph. clearly teaches that we are saved by grace through faith, so that when grace is given faith is the gift that comes with that salvation. You cannot reject the faith that is given, because you have it already, to believe in the Lord and His sacrafice. You cannot say after you are saved by grace, "I don't want it" you have it already, and since you have it already, you do believe. Salvation comes by God's grace, and included with that grace is the faith to believe.
---lisa on 10/31/06


5. While I was lost, I didn't know anything about God. I trusted in myself and I was lost. It took for God to open my eyes when He saved me to see and believe in the sacrafic of Christ for my sins. Of course Christ sacrafice means everything. Because while lost, I needed Christ to be saved. I needed to know that He died for my sins, to pay my debt that I owed, a debt that I didn't know I owed to begin with, until the gospel opened my eyes, and the Holy Spirit convicted me.
---lisa on 10/31/06


Thank you Okebaram for responding. It only shows that you are willing to discus passages and so am I. One thing is sure, we are saved, and we love to talk about God. If our attention was on something else all the time, then we would worry, but waking up each day to talk about God is a great joy, I see for many here.
---lisa on 10/31/06


Lisa, Salvation is a gift. What is a gift? Something forced upon a person? I don't think so! If "whatever God pleases" isn't determined by His own rules of love and righteousness, which include the free choice of grace, why did Jesus have to die? Couldn't God have said, okay John you're forgiven, and Jack you're not. Or did it simply please Him to torture His Son for no reason? Did it also please Jesus to be ridiculed and tortured by carnal men without cause?
---Okebaram on 10/29/06


Lisa, If God is all about himself and not about us, what sense does salvation's story make? Why does He put himself through so much unnecessary trouble and agony for us: The cross, the OT dealings, the martyrdom of His loved evangelists, the patience with this sinful world that He should have destroyed. Surely, that can't be fun! It seems, on the contrary that God is very much about us.
---Okebaram on 10/29/06


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Lisa, as it turned out, it would have been better if Hezekiah left well enough alone and didn't have 15 more years added on. ( Becareful what you pray for, you just might get it!)

Many people pray for healing, but not all are healed. Yes, God is in control of those kinds of issues. That has NOTHING to do with salvation. Those words are sealed in the Sovereignty of the God of Heaven who spoke them....and Jesus Christ who died for them.....WHOSOEVER WILL.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/06


3. And the Prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz came to him, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Set thine house in order; for though shalt die, and not live. Then he turned his face to the wall, and prayed unto the lord, saying, I beseech Thee, O Lord, remember now how I have walked before Thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in Thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore. And it came to pass, afore Isaiah was gone out into the middle court
---lisa on 10/28/06


4. that the word of the Lord came to him, saying, Turn again, and tell Hezekiah the captain of my people, thus saith the Lord, the God of David thy father, I have heard they prayer, I ahve seen they tears; behold, I will heal thee: on the thrid day thous shalt go up unto the house of the Lord. And I will add unto thy days fifteen year" (2 Kings 20:1-6) Both Hezekiah and Moses prayed to the Lord. "The Lord would not hear me," that is what Moses said, and died. but
---lisa on 10/28/06


5. but to the other, Hezekiah, it said "I have heard thy prayer" For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion" It is all left to the disgression of God's will. To do as pleases Him. All through Scripture there is story after story of how God uses His right as Sovereign to accomplish His plan.
---lisa on 10/28/06


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Thank you Linda for expressing your commits so well. I really enjoy sharing with you. It is possible to have communion together all of us, with some respect and you have shown that. have a great weekend and blessings to you
---lisa on 10/28/06


Once again Lisa, Cornealius did seek God.
Even the woman at the well had heard about the Messiah. You are so terribly wrong to say that man has no conscience of God. Romans 1&2 state very clearly that they do. Why do you say God lied? Why? Are you an enemy of the Cross and the Message of Salvation?
---kathr4453 on 10/28/06


Mrs. Morgan, The only way one can abide in Christ is to be In Christ. This happens when we receive his Gift of salvation and enter into death and resurrection life with Him. We are forever raised up with Christ a New Creation. Born Again means Eternal life. Eternal cannot die.
John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me;and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Faith is resting on His promise. Not believing = SIN.
Romans says, what ever is not of faith IS SIN!
---kathr4453 on 10/28/06


Linda, you missed my point. Jesus could have done the same to all the others but didn't. Scripture only speaks of one person there out of many. If Christ wanted to prepare the hearts of all of them He could have done that also. If he believe while talking to Christ, the others could to if Christ had gone to them. That is my point Linda. The same can be said for the gospel. If God wanted the people in China to be rich in the gospel He could have done it
---lisa on 10/28/06


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2 Linda, just for example and there are many, I am going to put down one illustration. The sentence of death was passed upon Moses for one act of disobedience, and he besought the Lord for a reprieve. Asked Him for forgiveness. But what was his answer gratified? No. Moses told Israel, "The Lord is worth with me for your sakes, and would not hear me; and the Lord said unto me, Let it suffice thee" (Det. 3:26). Now check the second case. "In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death.
---lisa on 10/28/06


#6 When I'm convicted of sin, I sorrow greatly repenting because I know I've chosen my own free will disobeying my loving gracious Heavenly Father Who forgives me. He knows the battle I wage in myself regarding the choices before me (Rom 7), and the warfare this warrior is engaged in in this present world.(Eph 6:10-18) He tells me to put armor on & why, but He doesn't put it on me that choice is my free will, "to stand firm against the schemes of the devil". Thank you, Father.
---Linda on 10/28/06


#7 Lisa, I thought I was done. But, I felt compelled to share the impotent man because he reminds me of myself. Many times the Holy Spirt had touched my heart over the years with a "drawing" to Jesus, but I freely chose to refuse. Oh, how it would have made a difference in my life if I had accepted Him the 1st time. Praise God, He let me come to the end of myself (as did the impotent man), and I saw Jesus! I chose this time to believe, put my faith in Him & received a new life, eternal.
---Linda on 10/28/06


#1 John 5:1-9.Passover time. Jesus knew the impotent man(vs6)& his condition of many yrs. He knew that the man had been coming for yrs., perhaps early, hoping to get into the Angel's moving of the waters first for healing. Jesus asked him (knowing his heart vs.6): "Do you wish to get well?". He replied: "NO MAN had helped him by allowing him in first to be made well they went in before him. Jesus gave him his free will choice with the directive, "Pick up your pallet & walk."
---Linda on 10/27/06


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#2 John 5:1-9. The man could have refused such a ridiculous sounding directive, but his heart was prepared & the Words of the Lord Jesus Christ ignited belief, faith, obedience between the Saviour & himself vs8-9. Immediately the man became well! He got up, picked up his pallet & bagan to walk. Jesus redeemed an impotent sinful man. God knows the heart that has been prepared for His presence if the person chooses to receive it..."for it is a gift of God lest any man should boast." Eph.2:8
---Linda on 10/28/06


#3 Lisa asked why God chose that specific man to be born again. Because Jesus knew him. He knew where he would be, he knew the condition of his heart, condition of his body. He even knew what the man's responses would be. But, the man had to realize his impotency & the inability of man to heal him or he himself to get to those "healing waters". He had to make a choice of his own free will recognizing his need & Who Jesus was & what only He could do for him.
---Linda on 10/28/06


#4 If irristible grace were the issue, we would never know & understand the depth & preciousness of the decision for salvation we were making. The commitment to it on our part. We would then say: "Well, if God wants "that" for me, He will bring it to pass in my life. Even though I am faced with this choice activating the thoughts, emotions of "old nature"; my new nature in Christ will choose God's way. Is irristible grace only for salvation and not after?
---Linda on 10/28/06


#5 If God is making our choices for us in any degree, we are not free. He has promised us freedom thru His Son & the Word as we obey. Sometimes in His Sovereignty He does make decisions in His plan for each of our lives. And, we know He is Sovereign over creation. Free will choice makes it possible for us to be responsible for our own actions. Conviction for sin must add much shame & guilt to the one who believes that they over-rode God's irrisistible grace in committing sin.
---Linda on 10/28/06


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Thank you Linda for you kind words. I am glad you didn't throw something at me. It is a pleasure to speak on behalf of God and I enjoy it very much. The Holy Spirit has lead me to this truth that maybe is not for you are Kathr. But again thank you very much for at least listening. You have a wonderful weekend,
---lisa on 10/27/06


Morgan, you say, yes, there is no condemnation" and then you condemn. Now a person is either a True Christian or not a Christian at all. Please get it right because the difference is like day and night. Two different people. One in Christ, the other following the prince of the air.
---lisa on 10/27/06


Linda, I think we agree on more than you think. Bless you. Keep preaching the Gospel. It's really the only thing that matters. It's the only thing the Lord has put in my heart to talk about. With that said, I hope you do understand where my heart is coming from in all my posts.
Love!
And I do apologize to you, because I know I have upset you in the past.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/06


Kathr, It is nice to read a comment that I can agree with regarding our "free will". (Yours of 10/26/06) Finally, after Lisa's lengthy comments, I'm aware there is no changing her mind on this topic. Her comments are pleasant, but are in err. I do believe her sincerity of her salvation & with that I leave her opinions to God. She has a "free will" to choose or deny the H.S.'s leading her to the Truth regarding this topic in God's Word.
---Linda on 10/27/06


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As we see before us Calvinism has so horribly mis-represented the truth of OSAS. Calvinists do not know identification in Jesus Death and resurrection. Yet they say they are OSAS.
Our Brothers who know more scripture than Calvinists, have every right to question OSAS from their perspective.
Will the real OSAS please come forward and present the truths of the Gospel. Repentance first,identification, etc, ect so that those who have never heard them may hear TRUTH, and not calvinism. Thank You!
---kathr4453 on 10/27/06


(III.)They put themselves in GRAVE DANGER, and it isn't God's fault. Many say this isn't true(even though the Word, the Holy Spirit bears witness that this IS TRUE), the origin of the false doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved(Immortal brother), and other false doctrines, false teachings come from man's reasoning, denial, false security, false faith,lies from the devil, "SELF" calling all the shots, basically.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/27/06


(IV.)God's Truth must be clearly understood, clearly discerned under the direction of the Holy Spirit, ALWAYS. Man/the devil have been trying to distort God's Truth for many years, but God's Word, His Truth always has the final say, whether people attempt to change It or not,whether people chose to be deceived about It,or not, We are judged according to God's Truth, His Word, period. One can't ride the fence, we must Examine ourselves with the Truth, Abide in It.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/27/06


7. As the passage continues, Jesus saitth unto him, Rise, take up thy bed and walk. And immediately the man was made whole. Why was this one man singled out from all the others? We are not told that he cried "Lord, Lord have mercy on me" There is not a word written. Here is another sovereign act of Jesus of Divine mercy, for it was just as easy for Jesus to have healed the whole of that multitude just as easy as that one man. But He didn't. Was that fair?
---lisa on 10/27/06


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The exercise of God's love and grace and mercy and justice is according to His own sovereign pleasure. God is sovereign in delagating power also to whom He pleases. When Jesus prayed to the Father, He did not pray for the world, but for His children. There is two classes of people, the children of God, and the children of wrath. And no, Morgan, there is no Christian that are saved, and not going to heaven. That would make three classes but there is only two. The saved and the none believers.
---lisa on 10/27/06


I read what you posted on the other blog and was answered by Lee very correctly. The saved and the lost. The children of promise the children without the promise. The person born of the Spirit, and the person born of the flesh. Two classes of people.
---lisa on 10/27/06


(I.)lisa , Yes there is no condemnation in those who are IN Christ Jesus(ABIDING IN HIS TRUTH). That is the important point here. Unrepentant Sin/Disobedience(Rebellion)/False Doctrine will prevent a person from being IN Christ Jesus. Any one who speaks differently isn't walking in the light of God's Truth. The Word says to walk in the LIGHT (1 John 1:5-10), one can't walk in the light and darkness at the same time , this is where the enemy has deceived MANY....
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/27/06


(II.)The Light of God's Truth reveals the works of the enemy "every time", reveals what is of Him and what is not. Christian's need not be confused. Our Security, our Safety is in being IN God's Truth, in God's holy Commandments, which means abiding IN Jesus, because HE IS THE ONLY TRUTH. God is loving , and will convict a person if they are not walking in the light of His Truth. But if a Christian rebuffs His Truth, doesn't hearken to His voice...
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/27/06


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Linda, Adam and Eve did have free will, they did not have a sin nature. All people born after that sin, are by nature children of wrath. They have lost all contact with God. Separated from God. They are born blind to the things of God, cannot hear God, and are spiritually dead. They now have a nature, and Scripture clearly teaches that no one seeks God. They have a will, but not free for they are moved by their nature that desires many things but never God.
---lisa on 10/27/06


I think what everyone is upset with is, that Christ is love and that He will do for one what He does for another, or else He would not be fair. That He treats everyone the same, if not He is not the God of the Bible. Everyone deserving mercy. If He doesn't people get upset. Oh no, the Christ we know would not do something like that. That is not the God of Scripture. If you have read the whole of Scripture you will know that God does as pleases Him.
---lisa on 10/27/06


2. If grace is a gift, which we know it is, then none can demand it. Therefore as salvation is by grace, the free gift of God, He bestows it on whom He pleases. Because salvation is by grace, the very worse of sinners is not beyond the reach of Divine mercy. Because salvation is by grace, boasting is excluded and God gets all the glory. The Gentiles are left to walk in their own ways, while Israel becomes the covenant people of Jehovah. Ishmael the firstborn is cast out comparatively unbless,
---lisa on 10/27/06


3. while Isaac the son of his parents is made the child of promise. Esau the generous-hearted and forgiven-spirited is denied the blessing, though he sought it carefully with tears, while the worm Jacob receives the inheritance and is fashioned into a vessel of honor. So in the New Testament, Divine truth is hidden from the wise and prudent, but is revealed to babes. The Pharisees and Sadducees are left to go their own way, while publicans and harlots are drawn by the drawing of love from God.
---lisa on 10/27/06


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4. The incarnation of God's Son was one of the greatest events in history and yet it's actual occurrence was not made known to all mankind. Instead, it was specially revealed to the Bethlehem shepherds and wise men of the East. Even today Christ is not made known to all. It would have been an easy matter for God to have sent a company of angels to every nation and announced the birth of His Son. But He didn't.
---lisa on 10/27/06


5. Why? because God is sovereign and dispenses His favors as He pleases. No angel stood before the Sanhedrin and announced the advent of Israel's Messiah/ No star appeared to the scribes and lawyers as they in their pride and self-righteousnees search the Scriptures to find out where He should be born, yet it was not make known to them.
---lisa on 10/27/06


6. The sovereign exercise of grace is illustrated on nearly every page in Scripture. Jesus, during the feast of the Jews, came to the Pool of Bethesda, where a great multitude of impotent people were, these people were blind and had all sorts of infermities waiting for the moving of the water. Among this people there was "a certain man which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, He spoke to him
---lisa on 10/27/06


"Genesis 2:19: And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."
---Nana on 10/27/06


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What a novel thing that God "... brought them unto Adam
to see what he would call them..."! As I see, indeed we have a mind and a heart that knows good and bad. If that were not so we would not be called to love God as we are called Mark 12:30, even with our "mind". We are not puppets except to our loves which some are better loves than others but none the less we "set our will".
---Nana on 10/27/06


From what I seen, God is a "finisher" of what we start.
Before God appeared to Solomon in a dream and increased his wisdom, he was already wise as stated by his father David. "I Kings 3:12: Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee."
---Nana on 10/27/06


Kathr, you are now saying the faith to believe comes from you. You could not answer a simple question about a lost person been a slave to sin, and now you do not even know that faith comes from God. So what else can I explain? You don't even know the basics facts of our faith, the tenents or the essentials of the Christian faith. You need to spend at least a month on the book of Ephesians. The book explains who you were before you got saved, who you are in Christ now, and how you came to be who you are.
---lisa on 10/27/06


2. If you are a sincere Christian you will do your best. If you just want attention for yourself, it will not help. Nothing anyone says will do any good. I am sure if what I have written is wrong, someone with Scriptural knowledge would have come into the the blog to question my answers. Many are reading what I have written and if they want to respond and correct me, I am more then willing to listen. But you and Morgan are far from correcting me. You need to study to know what it is you are talking about.
---lisa on 10/27/06


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Miss Morgan, I would love to answer you but I find it useless to make you see anything. First of all a person in Christ is not, and I repeat, is not a slave to sin. He is in love with Christ. If he is not, then he is not saved. You have to distinguish between the saved and the unsave first. You use both synonamous to each other. The saved person has a new nature Morgan. His motivated is for Christ. He is not perfect but is not a slave to sin as he was before.
---lisa on 10/26/06


2. The unsaved person is a slave to sin. He cannot help himself. He was born with the sin nature which came from the curse of sin. When you speak and answer, you use both together. You cannot compare one with the other. They both are different. One is a child of God and the other is a child of wrath. You keep saying, "what if he is disobedient and continues to sin" well, first of all we all sin. Which is something you don't believe so its hard for you to understand.
---lisa on 10/26/06


3. You say, what about those who reject that freedom? If that person rejects the things of God rather continue in slave to sin, only shows he is not a true Christian. If he commits his life to Christ is because he wants to change. If he rejects Christ he is still a slave to sin, very simple. Many do reject Christ everyday. When you have a true change of heart, you will want to do all you can for God. Without been forced to. It is part of who we are as Christians.
---lisa on 10/26/06


4. You keep trying to make a point that Christians don't sin at all, and you are wrong. So long as you believe that you are only fooling yourself and the rest that believe you. Scripture have been given to you, but you refuse to listen. Christians are made free through Christ when they give their lives to the Lord. If it was a true conversion. Many have made a commitment but many are not saved, their hope is false because their commitment was false.
---lisa on 10/26/06


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As to your question, is a Christian eternally secured? for your clarification, If He is a true Christian, he is "in Christ", then he is eternally secured. "There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ." If you don't agree, argue it with God. It is His inspired Word.
---lisa on 10/26/06


"Ecclesiastes 9:11: I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all."
---Nana on 10/27/06


That passage speaks of "chance". Now chance I see as the effect of the possibilities of God's creations. His will I see in the original creations but chance is not the will of God in my eyes.
---Nana on 10/27/06


#1 Lisa, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believeth on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life."John 3:16. Salvation is offered to ALL in the world. We know not all will accept His offer though the Holy Spirit, who's necessary to choose God's plan of salvation, draw them to Christ.John 6:44,65. It wasn't free will that died in Eden, it was a spiritual & physical death. A&E had free will when they chose Satan's lies over God's Truth & presence.
---Linda on 10/26/06


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#2 What about the rich young ruler? He had the The Lord Jesus Christ in person offer Him salvation & "he bacame sad for he was extremely rich". If the Holy Spirit was not "drawing" him, WHY would he feel sad at the free choice he had before him to follow Jesus or to keep his riches (which he chose to do)? Jesus looking at him spoke a rebuke regarding love for the things of this world over the things of God.
---Linda on 10/26/06


#3 Implying that after salvation we haven't a free will to choose following God or following after sin negates Romans 7!! Our desire, as you say, is within believers to serve the Living God. God knows we make free choices to choose the world at times.I Jn 1:9. His grace is what we live within.Rom.5:20;Eph.2:8. We're not judged on our desires only our actions. We believers are confident that HE will produce in us Christlikeness in obeying Him. "Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
---Linda on 10/26/06


Kathr, please ask me one question at a time, and I will do my best to answer you. I cannot answer everything in one hour. At least begin with one thing, and we can take it from there, thank you.
---lisa on 10/26/06


(I.)lisa, In your last post what are you saying for clarification? Are you saying that a Christian is Eternally Secure, no matter how they live, also known as the "The Immoral Brother" doctrine(which is a false version of (1 Corinthians 5:1) ? If the Son set's you free you are free indeed! Yes, this is wonderful.....
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/26/06


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(II.)lisa, But what about those who reject that freedom Lisa, what about those who carry around unrepentant sin, the disobedient Christians, they are most certainly not "free", "overcomers through Christ Jesus" but are in ERROR, and this is contrary to being "free indeed" like Jesus said. The Freedom that Jesus spoke of was freedom through Abiding in His Truth(which is the same as abiding in Him) ONLY, not abiding in Error.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/26/06


God says, faith, belief and trust in God for the basis of receiving God's forgiveness and grace. Belief is an act of one's will. Why would God tell us to believe, when we really do not have to exercise our wills to believe? Belief, trust and faith are all acts of a man's will. How plain is the error in the Calvinist's thinking? In the Bible we find God seeking men and yet they resist Him. This gives a death blow to the unbiblical teaching of "irresistable grace."
---kathr4453 on 10/26/06


Are we robots without a will? Or did God create us with a emotion, the ability to reason and with a will,in God's image and to return God's love? Creating us thus, has God given us ability to respond when the Holy Spirit convicts and empowers us? Certainly He offers us redemption freely if we will accept Him and His provision for us. The "hang up" of many Calvinists is they think that belief is a work when it is a God given and empowered ability to respond to Him.

Bible Truth Website.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/06


Lisa, 1 Cor7:20 has to do with Paul telling Christians to stay where they were called. Back in those days they had slaves. Do you think he was talking to the saved and unsaved alike and sticking out his tongue to the unsaved, saying to stay in your sin?


No lisa, don't misrepresent what I am going to say. I have never said anything nasty to you, it's the nastiness of those lies I speak to.
This is the worse form of manipulating scripture that I have ever seen.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/06


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Lisa, When we come to Christ,all we know is first to repent. We accept His free Gift of forgivness through faith. Then when we become Born again at that time,we follow Jesus. He reveals to us His most intimate being through the fellowship of His sufferings. Only then can we know and see, all the while being sanctified in His Word.
He doesn't share Himself with those who don't become obedient unto death..We're to have that mind in us always.The love of God is not in you. You care nothing for the lost.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/06


Lisa: It's important to read all of a text to get what is being said. Let's start with 1 Cor 7:18-20
18Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

20Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

Do you understand now?
---kathr4453 on 10/26/06


1#Lisa, now you made your stand clear I can see how misguided you are. You were almost there but then you missed it. You say every action has a reason: good or bad? A wise action is one done for a good reasons. God does not provide bad or foolish actions, He is not the source of every action. I told you already that free will cannot be completely dependent and that is true for mankind. It takes both God and man's own submission to effect salvation...
---Okebaram on 10/26/06


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