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Must My Daughter Be Baptised

My little girl was saved at VBS a few years ago. I've talked with her and she says she believes she asked Jesus into heart. She refuses to be bapitized, is scared anxious in front of people. Some say you have to be baptized to go to heaven. Where is this scripture found? Is baptism a command from God?

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Andy, would you enlighten us outab "This faith only doctrine is new and deceptive."

According to the Scriptures, there's no salvation outside of "faith in Jesus Christ", period. How important is this "gift of faith from God"? Scriptures declares, "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him." Hebrews 11:6

That is, without God's "gift of faith" your repentance to Him will not been forgiven. Which also means, you will never be brought to Christ.

So what "new and deceptive" faith are you talking about?
---christan on 3/16/12


"I see you use John Calvin's teachings. Does that make you John Calvin or elevate you to the level of John Calvin? Be careful how you answer." Andy

Show me one single quote that I have used from John Calvin. The only quotes that I support what I wholly believed in are only verses from the Holy Bible! And just because what I believe in is similar to that of John Calvin does not make me a Calvinist, which to begin with is not even a religion but a coined word in the world of theology.

I am a Christian and I too believe that's what John Calvin would have called himself.

"Be very careful of how you stick your nose in conversations that's not started by you."
---christan on 3/16/12


Baptism is you identifying with Messiah in his death and resurrection. This is why we are baptised into his death and raised to walk in the newness of life. If your daughter understands (I mean REALLY understands) what Yehoshua (Jesus) did in regards to undoing the curse of the original sin, and understands that he died for all sin and his resurrection defeated death.... if she can identify with that, she should be allowed to be baptised...IMHO.

Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 8/15/09


You all need to take the WHOLE bible into consideration , not just one verse or two. As far as baptism is concerned it's the one ingredient that our enemy (we do have enemys) have distorted and used human logic over what God in His word actually says to keep people out of heaven(Luke 11:52 7 Matt 23:13). This faith only doctrine is new and deseptive. If you are baking a cake and leave out one ingredient what do you get? Also look into what the early church taught.
---Andy on 8/14/09


You only need the Blood to get you to heaven. Baptism is only to let the world know of your new found life in Jesus Christ. I believe anyone who is truly saved, God will lead into water baptism. In other words, it is a profession of your faith. Your daughter said that she believes that she asked Jesus in her heart. You need to explain to her what true salvation really is. It is so important.
---catherine on 2/28/08




Baptism is a symbol of our new life in Christ.
Explain to her how important it is to live the great commision and show the world her faith. Explain also that sometimes following Jesus will lead us to scary situations, but we have to learn to follow him into scary things so that we'll have the assurance he is with us, and our baptism is the best first step.

Being baptized in Jesus' day was harder many lost associations with those who loved them, and stood to gain persecution for their testimony.
---Pharisee on 2/27/08


eloy,
I am content to let the other readers decide for themselves just who is "convoluting the scriptures" here.
---Bruce5656 on 11/19/06


.bruce, you convolute the scriptures. Stick with the subject: Baptism being commanded by God, and the scriptures requiring baptism.
---Eloy on 11/18/06


PART ONE:
If each individual verse is to be understood as a stand alone verse ie. "He that obeys and is BAPTIZED WILL BE SAVED; but he that obeys not will be damned." (eloy's translation), then we must also wash feet John 13:8 and hate our parents and siblings Luke 14:26 etc.
---Bruce5656 on 11/17/06


PART TWO:
If, as eloy insists, on the strength of Mark 16:16 we must be baptized to be saved, pity the poor soul who might find a page of the bible containing only John chapter 3 where he would read: John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." He would end up believing in vain.
---Bruce5656 on 11/17/06




PART THREE:
When two passages seem to contradict each other, common sense must prevail. They must be found to be harmonious in the end or Gods word is not true. Paul stated categorically, Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
---Bruce5656 on 11/17/06


PART FOUR:
In the case of salvation in particular, if one scripture gives the criteria for salvation (belief) and another seems to add to it (belief + baptism), it is reasonable to take the minimum requirement to be the one that counts. So, when the concept of baptism or anything else is brought into the picture it is understood that while it is the norm to be baptized, it is not a requirement.
---Bruce5656 on 11/17/06


PART FIVE:
In the light of what Jesus said elsewhere (John 3:16 for example) the statement (and I will use the KJV version here in stead of the bible according to eloy) Mark 16:16, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned" can be understood to mean belief brings salvation and the automatic, natural thing for a Christian to do is to be baptized.
---Bruce5656 on 11/17/06


Sue, that refers to sprinking. Most here seem to believe that total immersion is the only valid form of baptism and it is total immersion that some people fear.... Recently I noticed that someone posted a question about fear of the dentist and received much sympathy and understanding. Not so when someone says they fear being put under water. When this happens people are told that they lack faith. What's the difference? Isn't fear fear regardless of what a person fears?
---m.p.a. on 11/17/06


PART SIX:
In fact, aside from the context of any other verse, this particular verse explains itself. If, believing not is the basis for damnation (which corresponds with John 3:16-18) it is believing that saves. Other wise, Jesus should have said: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not and is not baptizes shall be damned."
---Bruce5656 on 11/17/06


PART SEVEN:
Surely in a matter so critical as ones salvation, it would be inexcusable for Jesus or anyone else (ie Paul Acts 16:31 or John, John 5:13) to ever tell someone that they may be saved by believing in Jesus alone, if, in fact, that were not enough.

Jesus gave us the essential truth: John 3:18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name
---Bruce5656 on 11/17/06


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PART EIGHT:
of the only begotten Son of God." Embellish it at your own peril.

As Andrew pointed out below: If you trust in baptism for salvation, you will surely wind up in hell. This is in complete agreement with Pauls letter to the Galatians. They were being told it had to be faith plus circumcision or you were not saved. Today people teach the same heresy except they have substituted baptism for circumcision.
---Bruce5656 on 11/17/06


Sue ... In many churches, including the Baptists, total immersion is what happens. In others, it is as you supposed.
I can see that totsl immersion makes a strong public statement, but I do not think it increases the validity of the sacrament.
I don't think jack is necessarily right ... after all, Naaman went down to the river, as commanded alone,and washed himself (OK he was OT, but maybe the same pronciple applies?)
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/17/06


**what would you all say about someone who goes for baptism but insists that no-one else puts them under the water -the person wishes to do that his/herself. **

I would say that this person doesn't understand baptism.

You're not supposed to baptize yourself.

You RECEIVE baptism.

Did St. Paul baptize himself?

Did the household of Cornelius?

Did Jesus?

Is this person better than them?
---Jack on 11/17/06


I was under the impression that when you get baptised the pastor only puts a little tiny amount of water on top your head, just a few drops. I didn't think you had to go all the way under! Just kind of bend your head forward and let a few drops fall on your hair or head. No big deal.
---sue on 11/17/06


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Regarding those who are afraid of baptism, what would you all say about someone who goes for baptism but insists that no-one else puts them under the water - the person wishes to do that his/herself. I think that it is the fear of someone else being in control of when one comes up out of the water that prevents some people being baptised.
---m.p.a. on 11/17/06


"He that obeys and is BAPTIZED WILL BE SAVED; but he that obeys not will be damned." Mark 16:16. Peter said, "Can somebody not forbid of water, who's these not to be baptized, who also received of his Holy Spirit even as we? And he Commanded them to be baptized with Name of the Lord." Acts 10:47,48. Baptism originally was a family affair, all-inclusive, after the family heard the gospel, customarily the whole family got baptized. Please read Acts 2:38-41; 16:15,32,33; Luke 18:15-17.
---Eloy on 11/17/06


Indira - Scripture clearly teaches that you get baptised as you did in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Baptising in Jesus' name only is a Oneness Pentecostal thing and they are a cult.
---Helen_5378 on 11/16/06


Baptism is a symbol. one that shows remision of sin and being made into the likeness of Christ. It is a great witness, not the only witness. There are different ways to baptise and many different theologies associated with it. We need to make a profession of faith but Baptism is not the only way (God looks at the heart. Encourage in some way for her to make a profession in public. If she still has that fear then Look at the Evengelical Friends or Salvation Army both don't require water baptism.)
---Jared on 11/16/06


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Although it is an ordinance, it does not get you into heaven. If you trust in baptism for salvation, you will surely wind up in hell. You can not earn your your way into heaven. Only through the blood of Jesus can you get in Heaven. By being baptized by full immersion, you will have obeyed his command and earned the joy of salvation. Not being baptized will only affect the joy of salvation, but you will still go to heaven if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Andrew on 11/16/06


Indira,
So are you now saying that you do not believe you were saved before you were baptized in Jesus name?
---Bruce5656 on 10/23/06


I asked Jesus into my heart 2 months ago. I still had the desire for sin. I truly repented then got baptized in the Holy Spirit a week later. God healed me from closet Alcholism and other things. My life was transformed!!!
---Indira on 10/22/06


I then got baptized in water in the name of the father , the son and the holy spirit. I prayed to Jesus and asked him to show me the truth if I had done everything in obidience to be saved.
---Indira on 10/22/06


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Sure enough my estranged brother shortly thereafter and I connected via a another sister of mine. She said I heard the good news about you I am so happy for you. You of all people I never thought you would come to God etc., She did ask if i was baptized in JESUS name. I said no. I said the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
---Indira on 10/22/06


I told her that my church taught is was an act of obidience and that it does not save you. She put me on a three way call with my estranged brother and they pointed out ACTS 2-:38. I could not argue with that scripture. It was to wash away my sins in JESUS name. So I got re-baptized in JESUS name. Praise the LORD
---Indira on 10/22/06


Ruben,
Among other things baptism is an act of obedience. Jesus would not have instructed his disciples to baptize if he did not expect their converts to submit to baptism.

Being baptized to be obedient is no different than any other act of obedience but we obey because we are saved. Not to get saved. In other words I got baptized because I was a christian already not to become one. I was saved as a child but baptized at 16. I was still a christian for all those years.
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/06


Bruce you are right, it is hard to write what you are really trying to say, thanks for your response. Everyone of you say that you do not need to be baptize to enter Heaven, but yet all of you got Baptize,Why? If you tell me because of obedient to Gods word then it is VERY important, in fact entering the kingdom of Heaven is at stake! What would happen if you do not get baptize?
---Ruben on 10/20/06


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PART SEVEN:
Re: Gal 5:6, ".. but faith which worketh by love. Indeed, as James said Faith with out works is dead. But he was not contradicting Paul (saved by faith not of works) He was telling his readers. You say you have faith but you dont show it. Ill show you my faith by what I do. Works do not make ones faith sure. They are simply an outward expression of faith. They demonstrate that one has the right kind of faith.
---Bruce5656 on 10/19/06


PART SIX:
Re: Galations Indeed they were being led back to the law and being saved because of what they do. In that case circumcision. Today people teach the same error that we are saved because of what we do. In this case it is baptism and sacraments etc. The principle is the same in either case.
---Bruce5656 on 10/19/06


PART FIVE:
Re Eph 2:8-10 Paul taught we are saved unto (or to do) good works (baptism included) not saved by (or because of) good works.
---Bruce5656 on 10/19/06


PART FOURl
Re: John 5:24, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." Thank you for pointing that out. Clearly Jesus taught that believing in him was sufficient to be saved independent of any religious ritual such as baptism.
---Bruce5656 on 10/19/06


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PART THREE:
Re: Ephesians and Johns baptism. Read the preceding chapter. We are told that their minister Apollos, while he was teaching salvation through Jesus did not know about Christian baptism and was still baptizing people according to Johns baptism. So, again, they were not baptized by John. John had died over 50 years ago.
---Bruce5656 on 10/19/06


PART TWO:
Re: God pouring out his spirit on the unsaved. You gave an example of when he did just that. Yes in response to their faith he did. My point was that the concept that baptism is necessary to be saved is clearly refuted by such an experience. These people were clearly saved before they were baptized. There are other examples as well.
---Bruce5656 on 10/19/06


PART ONE:
Ruben,
This is not meant to provoke or confrontational.

I am not sure I follow your reasoning in all you posts. Perhaps if you wrote in more complete thoughts. It is very difficult in a format such as this to get your point across with one-liners.
---Bruce5656 on 10/19/06


Bruce Part 6-7:The problem was that they believed if they were not circumcised, they could not be saved. ( Again the Mosiac Law)

In the same way, baptism in itself is fine unless you think you are being saved by it. Then it becomes just as wrong as it was for the Galatians to be circumcised.( No, Paul spell it out in Gal 5:6 "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."Faith and Works)
---Ruben on 10/19/06


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Bruce Part 1-Since when does God pour out his spirit on the unsaved?( Read Acts 10:44-48"While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the GENTILES. d.

how is it that God could pour out His Spirit on them before they had been baptized(I suppose God can do whatever and however he wants, you question him if you see him)
---ruben on 10/19/06


Bruce Part 2: the Ephesians were not baptized under John. They were baptized under Apollos.John was long since dead. ( Acts 19:3 "So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?" "John's baptism," they replied. Paul knew that it was important to be baptized and was obedient to do so.( IMPORTANT and OBEDIENT, Did Jesus say " Whoever follows my commands will enter the Kingdom of Heaven or something close to that)
---ruben on 10/19/06


Bruce Part3: It simply means we were obedient (as saved individuals) to be baptized as a testimony and witness of our faith.( Obedient because Jesus said John 5:24 "I tell you the truth, whoever HEARS MY WORD and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned;
---Ruben on 10/19/06


Bruce Part 4 :
You quote Eph 2:8-10 to support your cause? Read it again.( I have, "10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.")
---Ruben on 10/19/06


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Bruce Part 5:Read Galations and see how, when people came along and tried to tell them they had to do something to be saved (circumcision) Paul adamantly opposed that teaching. ( The reason Paul reject it was they were going with the Mosiac Law)
---Ruben on 10/19/06


If she refuses, then let her be. It is her choice and it should be between her and God. God didn't tell us that we must be baptised. he said we must be born again to enter in the Kingdom of God. If this Pastor says you need to be baptised in order to join "their" church, find another church. His beliefs doesn't line up with the word of God. Don't push her and if the Pastor don't understand, then again find another church.
---Rebecca_D on 10/19/06


Helen ::sorry but you are wrong.The word says different.This particular sin you inherit.have you forgotten every thing.
---Emcee on 10/17/06


PART SEVEN:
The problem was that they believed if they were not circumcised, they could not be saved.

In the same way, baptism in itself is fine unless you think you are being saved by it. Then it becomes just as wrong as it was for the Galatians to be circumcised.
---Bruce5656 on 10/17/06


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PART SIX:
Note: There was nothing spiritually wrong or sinful about circumcision. Paul had Timotheus circumcised when he took him to work among the Jews so they would accept him. Acts 16:1-3 Yet he refused to have Titus circumcised because the people pressing to have him circumcised were teaching that he was not a Christian if he were not. Gal 2:3
---Bruce5656 on 10/17/06


PART FIVE:
Read Galations and see how, when people came along and tried to tell them they had to do something to be saved (circumcision) Paul adamantly opposed that teaching. To the extent, that he said if one were to be circumcised he would fall from grace and Christ would become of non effect unto them. Gal ch 5
---Bruce5656 on 10/17/06


PART FOUR:
You quote Eph 2:8-10 to support your cause? Read it again. Not of works lest any man should boast. If I contribute to my salvation by what I do, I have occasion to say See what I have done. It is not about what I have done. It is about what Jesus has done.
---Bruce5656 on 10/17/06


PART THREE:
Just as many who post here were, I was baptized too. That does not mean we agree that accepting Jesus was not enough to be saved. It simply means we were obedient (as saved individuals) to be baptized as a testimony and witness of our faith.
---Bruce5656 on 10/17/06


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PART TWO:
(Incidentally), the Ephesians were not baptized under John. They were baptized under Apollos.
John was long since dead.

You draw the conclusion that Paul knew just accepting Jesus as his personel savior was not enough to be saved No, Paul knew that it was important to be baptized and was obedient to do so.
---Bruce5656 on 10/17/06


PART ONE:
Ruben,

You repeated but did not answer my question:

Since when does God pour out his spirit on the unsaved?

Paul, the disciples at Ephesus, those at Cornelius house all were filled with the Holy Ghost before baptism. If they could not be saved with out baptism, how is it that God could pour out His Spirit on them before they had been baptized?
---Bruce5656 on 10/17/06


Bruce-You do not have to be baptized to go to Heaven. salvation would be by faith plus works.( John 3:5 " Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.James 2:24 "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."(Read Espehesians :10)
---Ruben on 10/17/06


Bruce- Since when does God pour out his Spirit on the unsaved? ( Acts 10:47 " Can anyone then, stop them from being baptized with water?")When Paul came to Ephesus, he found there disciples who had not been baptized but were Christians. Acts 19( There were baptized under John)Paul was saved on the road to Damascus and later filled with the Holy Ghostbefore he was baptized. Acts 9:17,18.( Therefore, Paul knew just accepting Jesus as his personel savior was not enough to be saved)
---Ruben on 10/17/06


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Baptism is not required to enter into heaven. Some erroneously teach this, but it is not in Scripture. All that is required to enter heaven is faith in Jesus and His finished work on the Cross for sin.
---Helen_5378 on 10/17/06


You don't have to be baptized to go to heaven. I don't think there is a scipture about it. You don't have to be baptized just a christian.

Jessica
---Jessica on 10/17/06


Read the book of ACTS. See what the apostles of Jesus thought about it and what they encouraged all those who listened to do. Then share these events in story form with your daughter. Word them as you prefer then later share the scriptures where they came from. Baptism may not be law but it sure was important enough that Jesus was, Paul was, and many others were in scripture.
---mikefl on 10/16/06


This is a "little girl" not an adult. The Bible does say that we should repent and be baptized. But, it does not say that we should have a baptism with lots of people around. Explain to your daughter that it is what she should do to show that she is a Christian. I'm sure a small, private baptism could be arranged. In fact, I see nothing wrong with you taking your daughter into the bathtub and baptizing her.
---Susie on 10/16/06


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You do not have to be baptised in order to go to heaven.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/16/06


---EJ:"Nothing defiled shall enter heaven" The word having said that .What does Baptism do?It removes the stain of original & all sins,(in the case of an adult or child who has past the age of Reason) Bestowing on the recepient Gifts of Faith Hope & charity to help her grow in the love & understanding of Jesus.she is probably scared silly by complete immersion.
---Emcee on 10/16/06


There are a number of potential issues.
1. If she was baptized as in infant she does not need re-baptism. Believer Only Baptism has been Heresy since 1521, when the Anabaptist were expelled from Geneva.
2. If she is scared of immersion or a crowd of people pouring and sprinkling are equally acceptable methods. And the service can just include a pastor and immediate family (one parent if necessary).

But the important thing is don't push her into a situation where she will feel uncomfortable.
---Phil_the_Elder on 10/16/06


How old is your daughter? If she is a minor, leave her be. If not, leave her be anyway. Scripture says to work out your salvation, not your child's. Let the Holy Spirit be her guide. Don't try to do the Holy Spirit's work in her.
---Madison1101 on 10/16/06


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My daughter was 8 1/2 years old when she was saved. She has social anxiety and doesn't do well in crowed/extreme situations. I've talked with her about baptism. She's just not ready. Our Pastor says that she needs to be so she can be a member of our church.
---EJ on 10/16/06


**She refuses to be bapitized, is scared anxious in front of people.**

Have you considered seeing if you can have her baptized privately? This was, believe it or not, the way baptisms were originally done.

Ask her if she's more scared of people than she is of displeasing Jesus.
---Jack on 10/16/06


Bruce has many good things to say in answering this question. Do not push your daughter at this time.
---mima on 10/16/06


#1 Baptism is not necessary for salvation. James is very clear that faith without works is dead. Baptism is a work of faith to show an outward expression of an inward change. Baptism is a work done in faith. The Spirti does not bring fear and anxiety to His children, this would be the issue I would address with your daughter.
---Ryan on 10/16/06


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#2 She may have asked Jesus into her heart but, the question is did Jesus accept her as a disciple? Does she produce good fruit? Does she rely on the Spirit? Children must be shown an example of Christian living not just perform lipservice prayers and asking Jesus into their hearts. Does she understand why we need salvation and does she understand repentance?
---Ryan on 10/16/06


PART FOUR:
Is baptism the right thing to do? Yes. Jesus would not have commanded his disciples to baptize if he did not expect people to get baptized. Why baptism? At that time baptism was a common means of public commitment to a cause. Today it has the same purpose, it is a public declaration of ones faith and commitment to follow Christ.
---Bruce5656 on 10/16/06


PART TWO:
Romans 4:3-5, "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
---Bruce5656 on 10/16/06


PART THREE:
If baptism were essential for salvation, God must have gotten confused in Acts 10:44-48 because they received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit before they were baptized. Since when does God pour out his Spirit on the unsaved?

When Paul came to Ephesus, he found there disciples who had not been baptized but were Christians. Acts 19

Paul was saved on the road to Damascus and later filled with the Holy Ghostbefore he was baptized. Acts 9:17,18.
---Bruce5656 on 10/16/06


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The first question would be; "How old is your daughter?" Perhaps she is too young to understand the purpose of baptism, which is a public testimony of your inward experience with Jesus Christ. NO! she does NOT have to be baptized to go to heaven. There are many, even here that believe you do, but, they are hard pressed to give legitimate scripture backing for this. Let her know she should be willing to do this at some point in time, and not be "ashamed" of Jesus Christ before people.
---tommy3007 on 10/16/06


Baptism by water is a "outward expression" of an "inward change". Baptism by water is very good,many Churches practice this wonderful event, but if one never gets baptized by water, yet they have been changed inwardly and they die, no, they will not go to hell, but if one's gets baptized by water with no inward change, and they die, they will go to hell. Babies/small children that die without water baptism don't go to hell.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/16/06


PART ONE:
EJ,

You do not have to be baptized to go to Heaven. If you did, salvation would be by faith plus works.

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Paul instructed the Galations that faith + works = no salvation at all.
---Bruce5656 on 10/16/06


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