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Was Judas Called By Jesus

Where is Judas? Was he or wasn't he called by Jesus to be one of his disciple? Give scriptures to back up your statements.

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Rom.8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the SPIRIT OF GOD dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Was Judas, for all the outward appearances, in the Spirit of Christ? Obviously not, for Jesus said he was the "son of perdition" and lost.(John 17:11) Satan the destroyer had entered into Judas (John 13:27).
---Rebecca_Ann on 12/16/07


What was left of him after he hanged himsel is in the field he bought. ACTS 1:18
Yes Jesus called Judas to be a disciple. LUKE 6:13-16/JOHN 6:70/15:16. P.
---Pierr5358 on 10/28/06


Jason, if you are trying to imply that Jonah died in the fish's belly and was re-resurrected, you are wrong. I already told you that the analogy between Jesus and Jonah is figurative and not identical. If that's not what you are saying, clarify.
---Okebaram on 10/27/06


lisa, thank you so very much!! You made my day to be so much better! :)
---Kay on 10/27/06


"You said that Jesus' body was in the heart of the Earth. I disagree. His body was in the tomb."

Jason, if Jonah being in the belly of the fish is an illustration of Jesus being in the "heart of the earth" then the "heart of the earth" is the tomb. See what I'm trying to say here?
---Kay on 10/27/06




"My point is that Jonah doesn't make a complete type without dying."

Well, if thats the case, then the Ark doesn't make a complete type of Christ. After all, the Ark isn't a human being.

"I said before that Sheol is taken literal in ALL other scriptures it is used in."

I'm not sure if I believe that to be true. Besides, where does it say that Jesus' spirit was in the grave?
---Kay on 10/27/06


"Why would God suddenly decide to make it figurative."

Many words throughout the Bible have the same spelling but different meanings. We are to read the entire text to better understand the meaning of such words.
---Kay on 10/27/06


"it would be impossible to link a ressurection to Jonah if you believe he didn't die."

Do you think its impossible to link a door to Jesus since He wasn't really an Ark?
---Kay on 10/27/06


"The only way to link a ressuerction to Jonah is to believe that he died."

I disagree. The Bible says that the comparison is in the fact that Jonah was in the belly of the fish 3 days and 3 nights and Jesus was in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights. The link isn't in an actual resurrection from the dead (for Jonah). The link is in the amount of time involved.
---Kay on 10/27/06


"Remember, Jesus didn't sit in the tomb, He was dead. Jonah didn't sit in the whale waiting. He was in Sheol."

Jesus didn't float on the Flood waters either, He was on the cross. See what I'm trying to get at here?
---Kay on 10/27/06




Hello sister Kay, your explanations are very well put. I have read most of what you have written and I myself have never really got into the three days of the death of Christ in any study. The antitype explanation of Jonah was such a good one. I went back and checked the passages and they are so good. Great work Kay, I learned something today already.
---lisa on 10/27/06


Kay, We agree on 95% of this subject. I agree that Jonas Ministry fills the completion of the type with 40 days. You said that Jesus' body was in the heart of the Earth. I disagree. His body was in the tomb. It had to be His soul. My point is that Jonah doesn't make a complete type without dying. I said before that Sheol is taken literal in ALL other scriptures it is used in. Why would God suddenly decide to make it figurative. It doesn't keep in structure with the Whole of Scripture. Cont..
---Jason on 10/26/06


Kay, cont. To keep in context, it would be impossible to link a ressurection to Jonah if you believe he didn't die. Jesus was Ressuercted from the DEAD. The only way to link a ressuerction to Jonah is to believe that he died. Remember, Jesus didn't sit in the tomb, He was dead. Jonah didn't sit in the whale waiting. He was in Sheol.
---Jason on 10/26/06


"Kay, where in the N.T. did Jesus link these verses together"
Which verses exactly?
"Jesus linked Jonah directly to his death and burial. not to His life..."
I disagree. First of all, what about Jesus' resurrection and the fact that God "brought up" Jonah by having the fish "vomit Jonah on to dry land"? Jesus even compared His life of ministry to Jonah's.
---Kay on 10/26/06


Read Luke 11:29-32.
Verse 30-"For as Jonah was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation." Jesus preached for 40 days after His resurrection. Jonah preached for 40 days to Ninevah after his "resurrection". The similarities can go on and on. So even the life of Jonah can be compared to the life of Christ.
---Kay on 10/26/06


"Out of curiosity, where do you believe Jesus went soulically for 3 days and nights?"

Didn't I already answer this question? Maybe I did under a different topic. Anyway, according to 1 Peter 3:19, Jesus went to preach to the souls in hell to proclaim His victory over sin and death. I'm sure He went to the Father afterwards. His soul didn't stay in the grave.
---Kay on 10/26/06


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Jason, "heart of the earth" IS "the grave". Jonah being in the belly of the fish is an illustration of Jesus being in "the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40). The belly of the fish is an illustration of the grave. Therefore, the "heart of the earth" is referring to the grave. Jonahs body was in the belly of the fish (the grave);Jesus' body was in the "heart of the earth"(the grave).
---Kay on 10/26/06


"Okebaram, So Jesus didn't die? He was merely "swallowed" up? I believe he literaly died, was laid in a tomb, and not physically but soulically entered the heart of the Earth."

Speaking of "swallowed up"...
1 Cor. 15:54-"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY."
Also:
2 Cor. 5:4.
---Kay on 10/26/06


Okeambram, You put the words in your mouth, I just asked a simple question. If Jesus was "Swallowed into Hades" as you now say, he died, why is the later with Jonah not possible? If not, it isn't a type.
---Jason on 10/26/06


Jason, are you asking for constructive conversation or are you just trying to start arguments. I had assumed the latter. Did I say Jesus did not literally die? Why are you putting words into my mouth that I did not say. Hades means death in English. I said Jesus was swallowed by hades which = Jesus died.
---Okebaram on 10/26/06


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Kay, are you saying that you do not believe Jesus wet to the Hebrew "Sheol?" Out of curiosity, where do you believe Jesus went soulically for 3 days and nights?

Okeabram, You still haven't asnwered the question I posed to you. Thank you for a reply.
---jason on 10/26/06


More, Jason God also did His 'tricks' (hee hee) with Abraham when he gave his only son but found a lamb (even the lamb rep Jesus), Noah's ark, the ark of the covenant, Rahab who let down a red cloth (the blood) for deliverance, the copper serpent, manna, flowers from Aaron's rod, the temple sacrifices & its architecture, the burning bush, etc though these people didnt realize this. OT saints were justified by Jesus blood. Faith and temple procedures connected them to the benefit of what was yet to be done
---Okebaram on 10/25/06


"I thought you were speaking of the Ark of the Covenant."

I'm sorry if I confused you, Jason. I thought I referred to it as the Ark of Noah.
---Kay on 10/25/06


1. Do you believe Jonah's events are a type of Christ's events? Yes.But not entirely exact.
2. If so, Who is Jonah a type of? Christ
3. What is the fish a type of? Jesus' tomb
4. And How does Jonah, in type show the death and ressurection of Christ? He was in the belly of the fish 3 days and 3 night and then God caused the fish to vomit Jonah onto dry land.(Matt.12:40;Jonah 2:10)
---Kay on 10/25/06


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5. How does he tipify Christ's entrance into the heart of the Earth. (Literally below the ground and dirt? The "heart of the Earth" is referring to the grave. The fish was an illustration of the grave.
---Kay on 10/25/06


Kay, where in the N.T. did Jesus link these verses together. Jesus linked Jonah directly to his death and burial. not to His life though I do believe that Jonah covered that area to when he went from corruption to life. Please return with your verses linking these passages together.
---jason on 10/25/06


Kay, I don't think either of us is going to change the others mind but it does make decent conversation and has forced both of us to revisit the issue in our studies. One more remark I wanted to bring to the table. Just in case you thought I just came up with this idea, this is the teaching that many Biblical scholars have believe for centuries. Dr. J. Vernon McGhee (1900's), Joey Faust, Robert Govet (1800's)and many others.
---jason on 10/25/06


"Again I ask, how is Jonah a direct link in typology with Christ if there was no death involved?"

Here's what I think. Lets just agree for a moment that Jonah was in fact alive in the fish. "as Jonah WAS ... so shall the son of man BE"

How WAS Jonah? alive
How SHALL the son of man BE? alive

So as Jonah was alive...so SHALL the son of man BE.


Just a theory.
---Kay on 10/25/06


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"Great, Kay!"

Thank you,Okebaram!


"Kay, Very impressive."

Thank you, Jason!
---Kay on 10/25/06


Okebaram, So Jesus didn't die? He was merely "swallowed" up? I believe he literaly died, was laid in a tomb, and not physically but soulically entered the heart of the Earth.
---jason on 10/25/06


Great, Kay!
Jason, the connection between Jonah & Jesus doesnt mean that all aspects of Jonah's life are representative of Christ. Jonah was swalled by a fish for 3 days after which he came to Nineveh to "implement" or bring about God's edict. Jesus was swallowed by Hades 3 days, then He implemented God's edict which was grace this time. Jonah wasn't playing Christ, it was God who took his "rebellion" as an opportunity to demonstrate grace to him, & Christ to later generations.
---Okebaram on 10/25/06


Kay, Very impressive. I thought you were speaking of the Ark of the Covenant. I too agree with you on the Ark built by Noah. You have helped to prove my point. Though it is a type it has literal insight. All the points you made have direct links to the N.T. teachings, and fullfilments of prophecy. Again I ask, how is Jonah a direct link in typology with Christ if there was no death involved? Thank you for using scripture. I believe it's the scripture that helps bloggers and not necessarily our words.
---jason on 10/25/06


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"WHere do you find that the ark is a typre of Christ?"
I'll give just a few examples of how the Ark is a type of Christ.
(1)Gen. 7:17: the waters lifted up the Ark, and it rose high above the earth.
Jn. 12:32-33:Jesus said "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."
(2)The Ark had only one door.
"I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." Jn. 10:9
---Kay on 10/24/06


(3)Man was invited into the Ark.
"Come unto me,all ye that labor and are heavy laden,and I will give you rest." Matt. 11:28
(4)They were safe in the Ark.
"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me;and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." Jn 6:37
(5)The Ark was provided by God,through grace.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish,but have everlasting life." Jn. 3:16
---Kay on 10/24/06


I see what you are saying and I think we agree. I use different terminology. Sorry for any confusion. When I say exact, I mean the storie must match up perfectly. The events that tipify must agree. If you agree that Jonah is a typre of the death burial, travel to the heart of the earth and resurection, how do you, in your view that Jonah didn't die, explain this in type. I'm very interested in your answer... cont...
---jason on 10/24/06


Kay, In other words,
1. Do you believe Jonah's events are a type of Christ's events.
2. If so, Who is Jonah a type of?
3. What is the fish a type of?
4. And How does Jonah, in type show the death and ressurection of Christ?
5. How does he tipify Christ's entrance into the heart of the Earth. (Literally below the ground and dirt?
---jason on 10/24/06


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"So what was Jesus really saying about the sign of Jonah?"

Luke 11:32 says "The men of Nineveh shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, a greater than Jonah is here."

I think the sign of Jonah has to do with God's judgement for those won't accept the salvation message.
---Kay on 10/24/06


"You can't have it both ways and say something is a type but only part of it has literal connections. That is nonsense."

The Ark is a type of Christ but only part of this illustration has literal connections. I don't see any nonsense here.
---Kay on 10/24/06


"Typology being exact is that from begining to end, the actions being typified MUST BE exact. Bringing it to it's literal function of a type."

This is sort of what I said earlier. I mentioned that types aren't exacts and that they simply have common points. A "type" is simply an example or illustration that points to a person or an event. But all the details don't have to be exacts. The Ark is a type of Christ but the Ark isn't an EXACT illustration of Christ.
---Kay on 10/24/06


For those who do not have the understanding of typology, it means just what it says. It is a TYPE. Just as the SERPENT had to be lifted up, SO DID CHRIST. The Fish with Jonah was a TYPE of the TOMB. This doesn't mean that Christ was buried in a fish. It signifies the tomb. What I mean by Typology being exact is that from begining to end, the actions being typified MUST BE exact. Bringing it to it's literal function of a type.
---jason on 10/23/06


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cont.. Abraham is a type of Gods the Father, Sarah, a tppe of Isral in her first state, Isaac of Christ, the servant to Abraham, a type of the Holy Spirit, and Keturah is a type of Isreal during great tribulation. This doesn't mean that Abraham IS God and Isaac IS Jesus. They are Types but have LITERAL conections making the typology full and complete. You can't have it both ways and say something is a type but only part of it has literal connections. That is nonsense.
---jason on 10/23/06


Judas is in the grave awaiting judgement.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

And yes Jesus did call Judas to be one of the twelve.
Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Jason, scripture says in "John 3:14" And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up. Does this type in scripture of Jesus mean that Jesus is a serpent?
---Billy on 10/23/06


Kay, All types are exact. WHere do you find that the ark is a typre of Christ? So what was Jesus really saying about the sign of Jonah?
---jason on 10/23/06


Jason, my understanding of the passage is based on the language being used.

"how can this be a type of the LITERAL death, burial and ressurection of Christ?"

Did you miss what I wrote regarding "types"? Types aren't always exacts. Like the example I gave for the Ark of Noah being a "type" of Christ. Obviously Jesus and the Ark aren't to be taken as exacts.

---Kay on 10/23/06


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Kay, It doesn't matter what you get out of it nor what I get out of it. We must look at the language being used, properly and herminutiaclly keep it in context, even if it doesn't sound like something we want to hear, and then believe it. Again, I Believe Jonah WAS ALive when he prayed in the belly of the fish, he then died and was revived 3 days later. My question to you is: If we are to believe your account, how can this be a type of the LITERAL death, burial and ressurection of Christ?
---jason on 10/23/06


"The dead know NOTHING concerning continual life here on earth and what is happening here now."

I think the departed are aware of some of the events here on earth. An example can be found in Revelation 6:9-11.

I've always thought that "the dead" meant the BODY of the departed spirit. The brain is no longer a functioning organ therefore it knows nothing.

"They are fully aware of their present state."
I agree.
---Kay on 10/22/06


"As for Jonah He died after entering the fish."
Why does Jonah 2:1 say that he prayed while in the fish? A dead brain can't think to pray.

"Remember that saints and sinners went to the center of the earth"
I don't believe that departed spirits ever went LITERALLY to the center of the earth.The temporary waiting place (if there was one for the righteous)wasn't a physical place but a spiritual place.The literal center of the earth is a physical place.
---Kay on 10/22/06


"Chapter two says he went from corruption to life."

2:6 says "..yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God." It doesn't say that he was brought back TO life from corruption. Basically, what I get out of this is that God brought Jonah ("my life") up out of the belly (corruption:PIT) of the fish. And verse 10 says "and the Lord spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.
---Kay on 10/22/06


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Jonah was alive and prayed from inside the fish for a moment. If he was alive the entire time, why did he feel it necessary to tell us twiced and the second time say he was in a different place, Sheol. Also the rest of CHapter two helps us to confirm his death and that he was brought back to life. To Be a complete type of Christ's LITERAL death, burial, and resurrection, the same must be so for Jonah. A COMPLETE type. Thank you for your comments I pray this helps.
---Jason on 10/22/06


I'm not so sure what I believe in regards to whether or not Jonah died.
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After looking more closely at the passage, I believe that Jonah was in fact alive while in the belly of the fish. It says in 2:1 that Jonah prayed to God WHILE he was in the belly of the fish. Dead people can't pray.
---Kay on 10/22/06


Kay, Sorry for the confusion. The dead know NOTHING concerning continual life here on earth and what is happening here now. They are fully aware of their present state. The rich man new he was in hell and begged Abraham. He knew about Lazarus and of His brothers. As for Jonah He died after entering the fish. He was aware of his circumstance. Remember that saints and sinners went to the center of the earth prior to the ressurection and assencion of Christ. Chapter two says he went from corruption to life.
---jason on 10/22/06


"I just believe that he died there and His soul spoke out from the heart of the Earth."
You didn't mention earlier that you believe that Jonah died.I'm not so sure what I believe in regards to whether or not Jonah died.The Bible never comes out and says that he perished.But if he did perish,why would his soul be in the middle of the earth? Plus, if he WAS dead how could he know all the events of his situation?The Bible says that the "dead know nothing".
---Kay on 10/22/06


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"if he didn't die and was ressurected,how was he a type of Christ in His and Ressurection?"

"Types" aren't always exacts. The Ark of Noah is also a type of Christ. All the details to the types don't have to be exact. They just have to have common points.
---Kay on 10/22/06


"Kay, Where did Jesus go during the 3 days His body was in the grave?"
1 Peter 3:19 teaches that while Jesus' body was in the grave, HE went and preached unto the spirits in prison (Hell). He did this to proclaim His victory over sin and death. After He preached I'm sure He went to the Father.
---Kay on 10/22/06


"Jesus said that He would be in the heart (literaly center) of the Earth."

Okay. I just read Matthew 12:40. Now let me try to understand your point of view here. You said that while Jonah's body was in the fish, his soul was in the middle of the earth.Right? Then you said that the body of Jesus was in the tomb, but His soul was in the "heart" of the earth. BUT the comparison that Jesus gives between Jonah and Himself doesn't line up with what you are telling me.
---Kay on 10/22/06


Jesus says in Matt.12:40 that Jonah was in the fish JUST AS He shall be in the heart of the earth. Clearly Jesus is referring not to their souls, but to their bodies. Jesus says, "FOR AS Jonah was three days and three nights in the whales belly, SO SHALL the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
---Kay on 10/22/06


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What Jesus means by "heart of the earth" is "the grave".The belly of the fish is a "type" of grave.Just as Jonah's body was in the belly of the whale,the body of Jesus was in the grave.
---Kay on 10/22/06


"The bible doesn't say that Jonah was ABOVE the Earth (Dirt) it says he was surrounded by it."

This is referring to his body while in the belly of the fish. When you are swimming above the surface of the ocean floor you actually are surrounded by the Earth. And the Hebrew for Earth has many different meanings (land, country, region, field, ground). It doesn't always translate to soil or dirt.
---Kay on 10/22/06


Kay, Where did Jesus go during the 3 days His body was in the grave? Jesus said that He would be in the heart (literaly center) of the Earth. The Bible is where I get my information. He wasn't ther physically, His body was in the tomb. It had to be soulicaly. Read for yourself in Matthew 12:40 Please reply. The bible doesn't say that Jonah was ABOVE the Earth (Dirt) it says he was surrounded by it.(Lit. Hebrew: surrounded by all sides INCLUDING above.) Please send reply of where YOU say Jesus was.
---jason on 10/21/06


Kay, Onced again, I do believe that Jonah was in a fish. I just believe that he died there and His soul spoke out from the heart of the Earth. You keep going back and saying Jonah was in the fish. I Agree but where is your proof that he did not die and if he didn't die and was ressurected, how was he a type of Christ in His and Ressurection?
---jason on 10/21/06


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Jason, Jonah was in the belly of the fish. The fish was swimming just above the surface of the ocean floor. This is why Jonah mentioned being below the mountains. Did you not know that there are mountains below the sea? The Bible says nothing about Jonahs soul being in the middle of the Earth. I think you are reading more into it than whats actually there. I don't understand how you get the idea that Jesus' soul was in the middle of the Earth.
---Kay on 10/21/06


Kay, I do not argue that his BODY was in the fish just as I don't argue that the BODY of Christ was in the tomb. BUT nowhere in scriptures is the word earth, dirt or land used to describe water. Come on and get realistic here. His Soul was in the middle of the earth, just as was the Sould of Jesus for 3 days and 3 nights. Context context context. God saiad what he said and He meant what He meant.
---jason on 10/20/06


"Jonah 2 also records him surrounded by EARTH: literally translated:dirt."(1)Jonah was obviously in the sea.(2)He was swallowed by a great fish.Verse 6 says "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains;the earth with her bars was about me..." He is describing himself being deep in the middle of the ocean as is stated in verse 3.Nothing here shows that Jonah was in the ground buried in some dirt. "Earth" can be translated here as either "ground" or "land".
---Kay on 10/19/06


"Also he says he took his corruption and gave hime LIFE."
Actually, it says "..yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption."In other words,God caused the fish to vomit out Jonah("brought up")."Corruption" in verse 6 means "a pit". Which symbolizes the "belly of the fish". So what Jonah is saying here is ".. you have caused me to be vomited out of the belly of the great fish."
---Kay on 10/19/06


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"Everywhere else it is used in scripture is taken Literally, why should it not be here."

Because Jonah's prayer is in poetic form.


"Also, how is this a type of CHrist? Christ didn't sit in the tomb: He was in the heart of the earth."

Jonah was in the belly of the fish for 3 days and 3 nights. Then God brought him forth. Jesus was in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights. Then God brought Him forth.
---Kay on 10/19/06


Kay, Wake up and read your Bible.
Jonah 2 also records him surrounded by EARTH: literally translated:dirt. Also he says he took his corruption and gave hime LIFE. Corruption: Decomposion. Hell: Sheol: The Grave. Everywhere else it is used in scripture is taken Literally, why should it not be here. Also, how is this a type of CHrist? Christ didn't sit in the tomb: He was in the heart of the earth.
---Jason on 10/19/06


Kay, here is God's opinion.
Read the Parables. Your choice. What about the one about the talents. They all had talents (money of the Lord) But one was cast into outer darkness. Are you saying he was never saved? Or maybe you fall victim to the Arminians and believe that one could actually loose the GIFT of God? Please, Bible not opinion.
---Jason on 10/19/06


"Judas may have gone to his own place for punishment"-Its either Heaven or its Hell.
"Jonah went to Hell"-Jonah didn't go to Hell.He was "in the belly of the fish three days and three nights."Jonah referred to the belly of the fish like being in a grave(sheol).
"Many CHristians will be in outer darkness during the Millenium reign."-Where is the scripture to back this up?Or is it just your opinion?
---Kay on 10/19/06


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jason, because he did not go to God's place, called the kingdom of heaven and paradise. True Christians are not in outer darkness: The Father "who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated into the kingdom of the Son of his love. All you are all the sons of light, and the sons of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness." Colossians 1:13; I Thessalonians 5:5.
---Eloy on 10/18/06


Jesus announced early that Judas was a devil.
Therefore to say that he was saved at any time goes against the Scriptures in my view.
---mima on 10/18/06


Judas may have gone to his own place for punishment but how does this make him lost? Jonah went to Hell, came back and was used by God. Many CHristians will be in outer darkness during the Millenium reign. Sadly enough many won't take the Bible literal or are too lazy to study and say we can actually loose Spiritual salvation. It's so sad.
---jason on 10/18/06


Judas did not portray Jesus, but betrayed Jesus, therefore he is in hell. "to take the part of this ministry and apostleship, from which fell Judas whom goes into his own place." Acts 1:25.
---Eloy on 10/18/06


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Jason - Hi. I already gave the Scripture references. John 17:12 "..and none of them is lost..". Judas apparently was saved, but he died lost as Scripture states. A lot of people today do not want to believe that anyone will go to hell, but that is not true... many will go to hell.
---Helen_5378 on 10/17/06


** Was Judas, for all the outward appearances, in the Spirit of Christ?**

Were ANY of the 12 in the "spirit of Christ" before the Descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost?
---Jack on 10/17/06


Helen PLease confirm everything with scripture. Where does the Bible say Judas went to Hell? He did go to his own place but how the that transpire into hell from the greek? Even if he did go to Hell are you saying that he isn't saved? What about Jonah? (Jonah 2:2) I am starting to see that you might not believe the eternalspiritual salvation verses. Is he able to keep that which I have commited unto Him against that day? You are doing better though. The other scripture references have validicity.
---jason on 10/17/06


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