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Is Bulimia A Sin Issue

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I am bulimic and have been fighting against it for about 1 year. I am 15 and weigh 100pounds, at times I say to myself 'why are you doing this? You are hurting yourself, wasting food and time' But in the end of the day I end up in the kitchen stuffing my face. I dont want to do it... but its an addiction... I cant imagine how it felt to be 'normal', I cannot imagine ever being 'normal'. I often think about it as sinning and greed, hurting myself Gods creation. But I want everyone to realise that it was a mistake, i became bulimic when my parents divorced... after comfort eating and becoming overweight, following depression due to the gained pounds. ... to be continued
---Lauren on 11/11/08


Judging people with bulimia is a sin. Start loving and caring the girls struggling instead of debating over sin
---Jenalyn on 10/30/08


So I am having a problem with eating disorder and i thought i would do some research and seek help so i found this site by accident and it seems to me that some of these blog responses only would turn someone away ... they re negative and bring no glory to God
---Haven on 6/8/08


Jeanne - You are exactly right and you word it very well. It is so much easier to say those things are a sickness/illness. But to look at it in reality and see that it does come from the fall and in reality is sin is hard to do.
---Helen_5378 on 2/28/08


I have to say I've struggled with bipolar, Asperger's and anorexia and bulimia for 11 YEARS. I was saved when I was 13, and these cannot be cured with a prayer or two- for many, these are diseases that we will be fighting physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually our entire LIVES! It's a miracle and tribute to Christ I'm even alive to type this response!
---Helen on 7/20/07




Madison/Mary, I do agree, depending on the severity of mental illness, that sometimes we need to help "clear the fog" before we can get to core issues. However, in order for real help and healing to occur, the truth of sin does have to be dealt with. It is certainly a matter for prayer and requires much wisdom and compassion. God's word is truth and light - even/especially for the mentally ill.
---daphn8897 on 11/29/06


Madison, You said, "Telling them they are sinning is not the most helpful way to address the problem." I think I understand... the word sin has been misused as a weapon to manipulate people, rather than point them to God. Most aren't taught about sin biblically, to understand how foul/ugly/terrible it is that God Himself had to come & suffer & die on the cross to redeem us from it. If believers were more humble rather than the proud peacocks we see on TV, sin would not be so discredited.
---daphn8897 on 11/29/06


I agree with Daphn8897. It is a sin issue. The problem is that the church has backslidden away from the Cross and does not see much as sin anymore. One of the feel-good gospels is to go get some counselling i.e. see what the world has to offer you.
---Helen_5378 on 11/29/06


Mary: In order to minister to someone with a mental illness, it is necessary to understand the lies the person believes that motivate the symptoms of that illness. An eating disordered person believes lies and develops unhealthy coping mechanisms to help deal with the feelings that come up. Telling them they are sinning is not the most helpful way to address the problem.
---Madison1101 on 11/28/06


#2 It is best for them to get professional help to learn the lies, and learn healthy coping mechanisms. In learning the lies, they can also be taught the Truth of God's Word by a loving, caring Christian who will minister God's grace and love to them.
---Madison1101 on 11/28/06




Daphne: to a point, I agree with you--we all have sinned, every one of us. But to look at people who are starving themselves to death and thinking they're fat--they ARE sick! Yes, sin is sin but mental illness--and I count bulimia among it--is sickness.
---Mary on 11/28/06


Mary, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." It doesn't say some... it says all. And, there is a big difference between a mental illness that is totally chemical/biological from its origin verses one that comes on because of choices. If we would use biblical rather than cultural language, then I think we'd find that far more started with sinful choices than with chemical imbalances. Why are folks so opposed to using God's word for wrong/bad actions and attitudes... sin.
---daphn8897 on 11/28/06


Mary: I agree with your main thought. There are many mental health professionals who would disagree with you on the idea that bulimia is a severe mental illness. Most therapists and psychiatrists view bipolar disorder and schizophrenia as severe mental illnesses.
---Madison1101 on 11/26/06


Hi; I just want to say, it's soooooo sad when we view people with severe mental illnesses as "rebellious"; I love a man who is mentally ill and I think of him as a "wounded bird" and I pray for him. He's not bulimic, but he is suicidal. Mentally ill need our love and prayers, not judgement.
---Mary on 11/26/06


JohnT - In reponse to your post -- I do not know how you could have come to that conclusion. I hope it is clear for you now.
---Helen_5378 on 11/21/06


Good point, AlanUK; I have, as a recoverng alcoholic, sometimes thought maybe it's all "in my head"; have at times even considered drinking a glass of wine a day for my heart health, but friends tell me one drink and I'm, well, screwed! God bless :)
---Mary on 11/20/06


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Helen:

Thanks for the clarification. You must know that from the tone of your posts, I DID get the idea that you would answer yes on both counts.

That's over because we all have your writing stating your beliefs. They are sensible.

No one should ever push the point now because you made it clear.
---John_T on 11/20/06


The point is, Helen, that it is the illness, not the sin, that kicks in as soon as the alcohol (however innocently drunk) hits the physical system.
How, if that were not so, would the body suddenly crave the alcohol, when the person still hates the stuff?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/20/06


Helen ... Thank you for your so gracious words.
It is a far cry from the condemnation that you previously had for my friend..
---quent5969_the_Scot on 11/20/06


AlanUKquent - Why don't you ask the Lord if He did set me free? OK? I do not need, nor do I receive, the testimony of man.
---Helen_5378 on 11/20/06


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JohnT - I do not answer yes on both! As to Question 1 I have clearly stated "NO". As to Question 2 it is "NO". What I have said and am trying to get across is that an Alcoholic who starts to drink again is committing sin. When an Alcoholic drinks the purpose is to get "wiped out" i.e. drunk - drunkenness is sin (Galatians 5:21).
---Helen_5378 on 11/20/06


Helen: In my work with alcoholics in the psychiatric hospital, I speak rather boldly to those who are in denial about their use of drugs or alcohol. I also speak the same way to people in AA, and my own son who is a heroin addict who now drinks alcohol. I can speak boldly because I DO NOT ABUSE DRUGS OR ALCOHOL. I have been set free from them for over five years. In that you still abuse Valium, yet speak condemningly of people who struggle with alcohol, it seems hypocritical to me.
---Madison1101 on 11/19/06


HELEN:
CLARIFICATION, PLEASE

Question 1 As I understand your position, if an alcoholic accidently ingests alcohol, no matter the circumstance, or reason behind it, you believe the alcoholic is sinning because he/she drinks alcohol.

Q 2 is it a sin for anyone to ingest alcohol, no matter the reason or circumstance?

I assume you answer yes on both, but I wait to be sure.
---John_T on 11/19/06


Madison1101 - Does that mean that the throwing of stones belongs to you and Alan?
---Helen_5378 on 11/19/06


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AlanUKquent - I did not say that your friend sinned. OK? If you read what I say properly then you will not end up misquoting me. It is time to let this whole thing go. It is not doing anybody any good.
---Helen_5378 on 11/19/06


Alan and Madison - What I said about Alan's friend was that if she picked up drinking again, then that would be sin; that is after the spiked drink incident. Not the spiked drink, for heaven's sake; that was not sin because she did not know. I expect this to be the last of Alan's friend. Bless you both.
---Helen_5378 on 11/19/06


Helen ... # ! This is my thrid attempt to answer yuor question "Did you ever struggle with something after you got saved?"
The answer to your question is "No ... I have not in the past, (either before or after becoming a Christian) nor am I currently, suffering an addiction (except to the truth)"
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/19/06


Helen ... # 2 Now for your statement "With due respect, you have absolutely no idea what addcition really is. All you know is what your friend/s have told you"
You are of course right ... I have no first hand experience.
But I am better able than you to assess what happened to my friend. I have after actually met her, and know her life style, and seen what happened to her on that occasion when she was tricked.
You are bold indeed to think you know more about what happened than I am.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/19/06


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Helen ... # 3 you have your own experiences, and others have theirs. Neither should judge the other, particualrly to condemn.
How sure are you that you are free from yuor own previous addictions, when your "freedom" has to be supported by yet another?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/19/06


Helen: I totally know what it is like to deal with an addiction, before and after my salvation. I also totally agree with Alan. You are being very hypocritical to judge his friend, who did not knowingly drink alcohol. And when the urge to drink came back, her alcoholism kicked in as a result, and that was not sin, that was addiction. It is hypocritical because you are an addict who has yet to give up your substance. People who live in glass houses should never throw stones.
---Madison1101 on 11/18/06


Daphn8897 - Amen and amen! Once again, you have worded it beautifully. Bless you sister.
---Helen_5378 on 11/18/06


Mmm. Yes, it does take courage to admit to the Lord that your addiction is a sin. I remember how I would have cheerfully done anything but confess my cigarette addiction as a sin, but I did and went totally free.
---Helen_5378 on 11/18/06


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Helen ... yes my friend did purposefully pick up that drink, because she was thirsty and thought she would like an orange juice.
But she did not know that it was spiked with alcohol.
How can you say either drinking it, or her body's reaction to it was a sin?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/18/06


When you become restless in your captivity, in over your head, Jesus Christ can set you free. It will take abandonment rather than control. Humbling yourself with fasting. We don't hunger for freedom when we're full of other things. It's our responsibility to create that hunger in ourselves. Rachel***
---Rachel on 11/17/06


Jesus gives us a "life commitment". We have to take that life completely. If you gave one of your family members for the freedom of your church members, and they didn't take it, you would be very upset. God gave His Son, so we can boldly and strongly, be set free from the yokes and chains of bondage. Jesus said, My yoke is easy and My burden is light.
Rachel***
---Rachel on 11/17/06


We are hesitant to be free from captivity, because it takes faith to believe that you can. It's the anointing of Christ that destroys the yoke of bondage. Humbling ourselves with fasting will create a hunger. Jesus will respond. He will fill you with His boldness and strength to be set free.
---Rachel on 11/17/06


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AlanUK & Helen, You guys are stumbling over words - not intent. The world says once an addict always an addict. I think Helen is saying is with Jesus that isn't true - NOT meaning that it's okay to "pick up" once you've been set free. I think we sometimes get hung up on worldly labels - rather than biblical ones. The world says addict... the bible says sinner. "For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God." But, through Jesus, we don't have to stay there.
---daphn8897 on 11/17/06


Most people are "addicted" to something. I have and have had many in my life... the biblical term is idols/idolatry. There are some that I am free from, and many others that I'm in the process and battling... The continuing battle, however, does not negate that I am free in some areas. I was a smoker and no longer have any desire... I was a meth head - and no longer have any desire... however I still struggle with food for example...(not switching addictions here-always have struggled with food)
---daphn8897 on 11/17/06


My father cannot handle alcohol at all. (Do not want to offend, but he's Native American). He went to his boss's house, they gave him a drink before dinner. He wanted to be polite, it knocked him flat on his back and he hit his head. They carried him home. He did not touch alcohol again. That was 30 years ago. I have an uncle (same family) who was served a drink on airplane. When he landed, rented a car, he drove way off course, ended up in an irrigation ditch.
---Anonymous on 11/17/06


Uncle was a physics professor. He agreed to take part in study (treating alcoholism, Native Americans). The drug he took as trial, killed him. The anecdote can kill you as much as substance can. If you want to be set free from addiction, you will lay down both. No compromises. No excuses.
---Anonymous on 11/17/06


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Addiction is not a pet. However you choose to feed it and play with it will take you out. Jesus saves. It takes courage to believe it. Confessing addiction as your sin, yes. Then there is repent, to turn away from. To rely on props to get you through the rest of your life is not living life to the full. Jesus came that you might have life, more abundantly.
---Anonymous on 11/17/06


AlanUKquent - Actually Daphn is saying the same thing I am saying. If your friend purposely picks up and starts drinking again, then it is sin on her part, because she knows she should not do it.
---Helen_5378 on 11/16/06


AlanUKquent - With due respect, you have absolutely no idea what addcition really is. All you know is what your friend/s have told you. Did you ever struggle with something after you got saved? Did you ever have somebody bring it up over and over again? Do to others as you would have them do to you.
---Helen_5378 on 11/16/06


Helen ... Have you even had the courtesy to read about my friend who was tricked into drinking alcohol and had no idea that she was doing so?
She had not drunk for 4 years.
You appear to suggest that she was sinning by drinking that drink given to her as orange juice.
I have explained over and over what happened to her. How can you say she sinned by drinking what she thought was a non-alcoholic drink?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/16/06


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Helen ... What about the contributor here , who is addicted to valium, prescribed by her doctor?
Does she sin when she takes the valium?
Has she really been freed from the other addictions, since the valium was used reduce, or eliminate the other addictions?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/16/06


Daphne ... I think you are agreeing with what I have been saying.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/16/06


AlanUK-quent5969 - So, the people you speak of have very obviously not been set free from their addiction. If they had been set free, the desire and the whole thing would be gone. No. So, when they pick it up again, they are again sinning. Do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can set a person totally free? Do you believe that Jesus took all sin on the Cross?
---Helen_5378 on 11/16/06


Helen ... Why do you keep saying that the addiction is the doing!!!
There are millions of addicts in my country alone, who no longer "do" They have stopped drinking, stopped gambling, stopped gorging, stopped smoking.
BUT they are still subject the the illness (resultant from their old actions) by which IF they did those things again, they would relapse into to constant "doing" of them.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/16/06


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AlanUK, Actually there are things we call illness that involves choice/personal action, many of which reside in the category of addiction. Being predisposed to those illnesses is not sin, but walking in (ie. choosing to "pick up") the addiction is. In the instance of an at birth addicted baby, the sin was to them not by them - so though sin at the root, it wasn't theirs. It is not the hand dealt us that is sin, but how we respond to it. Bottom line... my response is my responsability.
---daphn8897 on 11/15/06


AlanUKQuent - ("Is any illness something that you do?") -- No, of course not, but then you should already know that. Illness is a state of being (sick). Bulemia is a sin because the person purposely makes themselves sick. They do it.
---Helen_5378 on 11/15/06


AlanUk_Quent5969 - ("Is suffering an addictive illness "doing"? Of course not.) -- Alan you are wrong. Every addiction involves doing something to the human body! Drinking alcohol, taking drugs, eating too much, purging oneself, etc. It is all sin. Look at the Cross, the Lamb of God hanging there, He who takes away the sin of the world.
---Helen_5378 on 11/15/06


Helen ... May I respectfully refer to what you yourself said? ""Alan - Sin is something you do, an act you commit"
Is any illness something that you do?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/14/06


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Alan - Read Daphn's posts below. She has worded everything really well and I agree totally with what she says.
---Helen_5378 on 11/14/06


JohnT - I do not know how you could not understand what I wrote. Illness is illness. Sin is sin. It is sin (wrong)to pass sin off as illness, thinking it will soften it. Call it for what it is - sin. Daphn worded it wonderfully below.
---Helen_5378 on 11/14/06


JohnT - What I said was very simple. In the courts now they call sin a "mental illness" and let murderers and others go free.
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/06


Alan - Pointing out the truth that the problem is sin is not condemning. Those who believe that alcoholism is not sin will be forever bound to it.
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/06


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Doree, a broken leg could be caused by sin if it was injured while stealing an apple out of Mrs. Johnson's apple tree! I just thought I'd try to add a little humor. Everyone seems to be throwing out opinion without scripture to back it up. Do we need opinions or do we need the answer from God?
---jason on 11/13/06


Doree, God bless you my dear! I, too, have a disability, including mental as well as physical; sooooo refreshing to hear words of wisdom from you unlike so many others! God bless; Mary
---Mary on 11/13/06


Helen "Alan - Sin is something you do!, an act you commit" Yes I agree!!
Where then is the sin of someone who no longer drinks alcohol but still suffers from the addictive illness that the excessive drinking caused?
That is the same as still suffering from the damaged liver caused by the drinking.
Sin? ... stop condemning.
Is suffering an addictive illness "doing"? Of course not.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/13/06


Ultimately obesity, bulimia, and anorexia are all based in and begin with sin... whether it's a control issue or gluttony or both... it is sin. When food, whether eating it or refusing it becomes the center of our world... it is ... let's call it what scripture does... sin/idolatry. Are we to be kind and compassionate... YES. Are we to relabel to avoid hurting feelings... NO. Our emotions change like the wind... His Word does not. Proverbs talks about truth verses flattering words.
---daphn8897 on 11/13/06


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not neccessarily.is a broken leg or bronchitis a sin?bulimia is an illness,SOME but not most illnesses can be result of sin I am deaf and disabled neither result of sin repeated unkind remarks about weight overadvertising of weight control foods etc depressionand other things cvan cause bulimia and if sin is involved it isnt thast iof the sufferer
---doree4573 on 11/13/06


.I believe bulimia and anorexia are sin. All rebellion against God is sin.
---Helen_5378 11/11


Do you somehow confuse what happens in Aussie courts with sin?

You respond, There is clearly a big difference between illness and sin. Illness is not sin. It is sin to call something that is sin an illness.

Can you see the inconsistency in your words? Frankly you confuse me. Is illness the same as rebellion?

I am not starting a fight, merely clarifying your posts.
---John_T on 11/13/06


Okebarum, #1, Yes, most bulimia is sin! And so is most obesity. And, I am being careful - careful to rely on scripture, not the world's definition or cultural "norms". I myself am obese - and how I got there was sin - it's called gluttony. Bulimia is the act of binging and purging - which is basically being gluttonous and trying to avoid the consequences. Sin is any act that violates God's word, and "self-destructive" behaviour, whatever the reason, does that.
---daphn8897 on 11/13/06


#2 I think if Christians used biblical labels instead of the world's/culture's labels, we wouldn't get sucked in to political correctness and all the double talk that is going on these days, and maybe we would actually be a humble and repentant people. Sin is sin - we're all guilty of it and do it every day. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand why Jesus had to go to the cross. We all deserve all the ugly we get... and much worse. Thats why Jesus dying on the cross is so amazing and powerful
---daphn8897 on 11/13/06


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I have to agree with John T. partially. Though the diract penalty of the sin in the garden was death, which we now know equaled out to Spiritual death but they also started a time clock for physical death also. How can one say that there is no link between illness and sin? cont,,,
---jason on 11/13/06


#2- Take someone who dies of lung cancer after smoking for 45 years. Is it just coincidence that he got cancer or is it safe to say that because of his sin, he destroyed his body? Even cancers of the colon and heart disease. When we eat like pigs and do not heed the warnings of glutuny in the Bible, should we be suprised when we encounter these diseases? cont...
---jason on 11/13/06


#3- Where I would disagree with John is that not ALL sickness is from sin. The Bible records the man who was blind from birth. The religious crowd argued who had commited the sin. Was it his parents. The Bible clearly shows us it wasn't an ilness from sin but was given unto him that God would be glorified. When? Upon his healing. The biggest majority of sickness are self inflicted by sin. In this I will agree, but there are those that will not clearly see the root cause of and will never know. cont...
---jason on 11/13/06


#4- In concluasion, one would be crazy to blame God or even say "God wants me to have cancer." God is the giver of LIFE. When we get colon cancer, heart disease, lung disease, who else can we blame but ourselves. If it is lung disease due to breathing chemicals at work, this would be the reason, not God giving it to you. We choose our fate many times by the harmful things we eat, breath, and inject into our bodies. Including immunizations! May God richly bless all.
---jason on 11/13/06


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Helen, I believe you are wrong on this question. Since the fall, man has inherited the curse of death. With that curse comes all the illnesses of that curse. It is not a sin to be ill, but been ill is the result of the conscequence of the fall. And from that fall we have a sin nature. If we did not have a sin nature we would not be ill in the first place but would live forever as Adam was suppose to to before the curse, or the fall.
---lisa on 11/13/06


JohnT - Babies born with AIDS is an interesting issue. Have heard it said by preachers that AIDS is God's judgment. At first I said "no". Until I realised that when God punished Israel, He punished the children too. Could be God's judgment. It would be the only explanation that would explain babies having that disease.
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/06


Alan - Your two lady friends have probably got a glandular or thyroid problem, which of course is not sin. Sin is something you do!, an act you commit.
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/06


I think bulimia is a choice. Once it is an addiction and your body is suffering for your sin, then there is an illness in your body, but only as a consequence of your sin. So, to answer that question, yes, bulimia is a sin.
---Ina on 11/13/06


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JohnT - There is clearly a big difference between illness and sin. Illness is not sin. It is sin to call something that is sin an illness. It is like the latest thing happening in the courts here. A person murders somebody and their lawyer claims mental illness and they get off. God says murder is murder and is therefore sin. Now do you understand what I am saying. How does God look at it? Does He go "oh, those poor sick babies of mine". No, He sent Jesus to die on the Cross for sin.
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/06


I am sooooo sorry, Helen!!! :( My heart goes out to you; God bless you sister. Mary
---Mary on 11/12/06


Helen, I offer this as a help, nothing else.

ALL illness is a DIRECT RESULT of the fall. Eden was sinless and pure before the fall.

People do not contact illness because of THEIR OWN SIN. They contact illnesses due to their inherited Adamic nature, and the effect of the fall on the world.

A crack baby or an AIDS baby is innocent, not having any chance to sin, and tragically, the life quality of each is seriously diminished.

Can you see the difference there?
---John_T on 11/12/06


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