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Freemasonary And Christianity

Is Freemasonry and Christianity compatible?

Moderator - Only when Christianity and Satanism are compatible.

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I'm not saying Obewans information is wrong.

But remember, the internet is home to urban legends, conspiracy theories of every stripe, and rants by disgruntled persons...all mixed in with really educational offerings.
---Donna66 on 10/17/09


Obewan ... Human blood?

Where did they get it?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/17/09

I presume from a blood donor or blood plasma bag. But that report was a bit over the top. More common is for them do drink wine from a human skull. I read one Mason's report that he drank wine from a human skull during Easter communion in a Maundy Thursday service.

The Masons he was with celebrated Christ's death with a re-enactment of the crucifixion but left out the resurrection part. I can post up the ritual words from the ritual book. They say it is not for men to say whether Christ was "divine". That prompted that Mason to leave the lodge.
They only acknowledge that Christ was a great moral teacher or ascended master.
---obewan on 10/17/09


Obewan ... Human blood?

Where did they get it?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/17/09

Just Google ***Freemason's drank blood from a skull*** and you will find some of the same claims I have seen in the past.

It may have been mostly the Knights Templar or the Templars which preceeded the Masons, but there is a historical connection between Temmplars and Masons.

Reportedly George Bush did just that at his secret "Skull and Bones" society rituals, which may be connected to the Masons.
---obewan on 10/17/09


Obewan ... Human blood?

Where did they get it?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/17/09


but my relationship with them was close enough to know that they could NEVER drink blood from a SKULL or anything else! In fact, they would have found the very idea preposterous.
---Donna66 on 10/17/09
I by no means intend to imply that it is common in every lodge. However, some of the lodges in Great Britian have done just that. I even saw a video on the web posted by a Mason who left one of those lodges. He smuggled a camera in to film the ritual and it was very obvious it took place in a Masonic Temple. Obviously they did not kill a person, but the ritual was offensive to the man that left the lodge.
---obewan on 10/17/09




Obewan -- I'm no expert, especially being a woman. So you are free to discount what I say. But I, too, can read.

I have belonged to Masonic womens organizations..Job's Daughters and Eastern Star, both of which I found to be a colossal exercise in boredom (but not ANTI-Christian). I have read Masonic literature, some of which I was not supposed to read, and I have been in close relationship with 32nd degree Masons. You don't have to believe me, but my relationship with them was close enough to know that they could NEVER drink blood from a SKULL or anything else! In fact, they would have found the very idea preposterous.
---Donna66 on 10/17/09


Donna66:

Your testimony as a woman does not hold much water since you can never join the lodge. And, your family members are not supposed to disclose any of the secrets of the Lodge. While they may claim to not have seen any conflicts with Christianity, many other Christian Masons have. I have read their books and done the research. I am talking about actual writings of the lodge that describe the world wide goals of Masonry. And as for strange rituals, how about drinking human blood from a human skull and vowing to have your bowels removed if you disclose secerets?
---obewan on 10/17/09


Mr. Evolution--
Just to qualify what you say...not ALL the Founding Fathers were freemasons, though quite a few were. Likewise not ALL the monuments in DC are Masonic. Many of the symbols of Masonry are not unique to Masonry.
The double-headed eagle appears on the Coat of arms Arms of many different countries, and on the flag of the Greek Orthodox Church. The eye-of-God symbolizes the supreme being. It's use on currency has more to do with the motto "in God we trust" than it does with Masonry.
Freemasonry is not Christian (however, certain branches of it recognize Christianity) but it is certainly also not "Satanic".
---Donna66 on 10/16/09


The moderator is blunt but correct. Christ is not interesting in sharing the stage with Free Masons, conservatives, liberals, animist or any organization which corp beliefs are not rooted in holiness
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There is virtue in no other name.

The suggestion that Free Masons is simply a club no more harmful than a Fantasy Football league or fishing club is not credible.
---larry on 10/16/09


Ok i just read this and i was kinda disgusted by a few of these masons are not satanic i know being one myself.As far as the secracy you wanna know join.Second as far as driving between husband and wife no we offer eastern star for both to join.I wear my ring with pride and would guard my brothers with my life. And as we say to all our brothers God Bless!!
---shannon on 10/16/09




Americas founding fathers were freemasons. the D of I and the Constitution are full of masonic terms. ALL the monuments in Washington DC are masonic. Is then America founded on satanism?
---MrEvolution on 10/17/07


No. That is another reason Mormonism and Christianity are not compatible because Mormonism has deep freemasonry roots. I agree with Moderator..Freemasonry is satanic!
---sam on 10/17/07


Pony9999 - The Lord Jesus Christ is God. Jesus is the Son of God who came to earth and took on human flesh and died on the Cross for sin. God is one in three persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
---Helen_5378 on 12/9/06


Jack is right,you swear yourself to bilieving in one god(god,allah etc).You dont discuss your choice,(although as Jared said,you may be taught masonic lessons of charity with lines from the bible, qur'an etc).I think helen is wrong,masons are not a cult,nor are they purely a christian organisation,each member worships one god,and perform acts of charity/service in the community.I would like to ask the question why she worships and belongs to"Lord Jesus Christ" and not god?
---pony9999 on 12/8/06


**He said in order to join the Masons you have to believe in the resurrection of Christ.**

Then why are there Jewish masons? Why are there Hindu or Muslim masons?

Why does the Monitor of the GL of Alabama have the passages "I am the Resurrection and the Life..." marked for OPTIONAL use at Masonic funerals?

All one has to do to be a mason, religiously, is to claim belief in some kind of deity or approximation thereof. It suffices to confess faith in Buddha.
---Jack on 11/16/06


Part 2:

As for GW's prayer life, people do not always pray or act consistently with their professed beliefs.
---Jack on 11/16/06


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Free masonary is a club, it is a fraturnity yeah they have some weirdnes to it but it is not any more then any other club. (most of it is just stories anyhow.) If the leaders are Christian it is a christian club if they aren't then it's a social club.
---Jared on 11/11/06


Jared - Just about all of the cults use Scripture, but that does not make them Christian. One either belongs to the Lord Jesus Christ, or to the devil. There is no middle road. Freemasonry is a cult through and through, and there is no such thing as "christian freemasonry".
---Helen_5378 on 11/11/06


Man these moderators are pretty opinionated. Um Freemasonry and christianity. Only if the chapter is christian. since it uses scripture and it's more of a club that gets together to do things. But if you question it then don't join you can have fun at church too. And if your dream is to drive funny little cars in a parade go buy one.
---Jared on 11/10/06


Darlene, Your thought that once someone enters the degree they cannot turn back is not true. If at any time a canadate feels they do not agree they can say so and the degree work stops. What is going to happen is explained before it happens and they are asked if they wish to proceed. The only secrets are the ways that one mason knows another. The life lessons are not secret and they encouraged to be shared with others.
---Jim on 11/10/06


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The problem with a religion that wants to be the "chosen people", is that the process to prove it becomes destructive. It's a question of evidence and there really isn't any. Anytime your mind becomes preoccupied with defending a false gospel instead of pursuing a relationship with Jesus Christ, you are in the wrong place. Rachel^^^
---Rachel on 10/28/06


Mormon green burial clothes taken from the mason traditions. I know what those look like.
---Rachel^^^ on 10/27/06


About the only prerequisite to becoming a Mason is a belief in a supreme Being and be someone of good morality.

There is no religious requirement beyond that as you can be a Mormon, Baptist, Jewish, Hindu, or whatever. Of course, members must vote you into the Lodge and that is where we hear of being "black-balled" as it comes from Masonic rituals.
---lee on 10/27/06


You can be mason and mormon at the same time, you can move from masonry right into mormonism,or from mormonism into masonry. Know people who did all of the above. Masons and mormons bury you at death, are you 'dead' long, long time before you're buried is the question.
---Rachel^^^ on 10/27/06


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Rachel - I realize that Joseph Smith, the Mormon founder was a Mason at one time and that he borrowed much from the Masonic ritual for his own temple ritual, do we find many Masons that are Mormons?
People do replace the church with the Lodge as there is an element of religious style ritual within the Masonic Lodge that is fairly attractive but most of their rituals are really myths about King Solomon and the Temple. And they will bury you at your death.
---lee on 10/26/06


Rachel -- what do Mormons and Masons have in common? Or put another way, why would an ex mason choose the Mormon church?

Alan of UK -- interesting...my brother who was a judge (and a Mason) had the same thing happen to him. He convicted the fellow, imposed the maximum sentence. He also stayed in the Masons and became a high authority in the order.
---Donna2277 on 10/26/06


The masons take their oaths seriously. Some end up leaving their church, and the Masonic Lodge becomes their church. The transition from mason to mormon is a smooth one.
Rachel^^^
---Rachel on 10/26/06


I recall a law judge, who was mason, who was trying a man for murder. The accused gave him masonic signs, in an apparent attempt to get his fellow mason to twist the trial and get him off.
The judge resigned from the masons.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/26/06


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I guess there's no way to tell how seriously ANYBODY takes such an oath...unless it's tested by a crisis. My father appeared to take it seriously...but he was of a generation that took oaths seriously. A handshake sealed many a serious agreement in his day. He was married to my mother 60 yrs. (He never called himself a Christian...so no conflict there!)

Times change. Now, I think, an oath is usually kept only if convenient...or as you said, often it's just play acting.
---Donna2277 on 10/26/06


Is the oath given in a Masonic lodge valid? If one has already taking an oath to follow Christ, can any further oaths be binding? The oaths given in Masonic lodge are not revealed to the candidate prior to the ceremonies. All he is told is that any oath he may take will not conflict with his personal religious beleifs if he has any. is not much of what they do similiar to those that would enter a college fraternity, ie. play acting?
---lee on 10/25/06


emg -- The oath doesn't even SOUND Christian to me! My purpose was not to defend Freemasonry, but to inform (as best I could in 58 words)

Many Christian critics of Masonry show their ignorance because they decry things that don't even exist. The OATH is a VALID concern...but not occult Satanic rituals at midnight.
---Donna2277 on 10/22/06


Donna "Members swear to protect one another unto death." That phrase sounds wonderful and oh so 'Christian' BUT Freemasons are members of many professions and protecting each other sometimes involves covering for another mason's law-breaking and/or immorality. There are many teachers, politicians, clergy and law enforcers amongst the masons.They are not being paid to protect each other but the public or those in their care.
---emg on 10/22/06


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Anonymous, regarding the bold lettering, that was a mistake. I intended to bold only Susie's quote. Sorry about that.

Nellah, I've known a few masons who have reached higher degrees and it definitely is a satanic organization. Such isn't known until you climb the ranks.
---AlwaysOn on 10/21/06


Just because someone says they are Christian to get elected to office does not make them a Christian. Watch Bush's fruits to see his true character.
---Susie on 10/21/06


My fa. was a 32degree mason, my bro.33rd (Grand Master of all Lodges in one state).They were no more "Satanic" than others blinded by the Enemy. (None of the reported sacrifice of babies during the solstice etc.) 2 main branches of Masonry e.g. York Rite and Scottish Rite vary slightly..1 recognises Christ's divinity (some Christians join). The rituals are based on the OT construction of Solomons Temple: each degree pertains to a part of that.Members swear to protect one another unto death.
---Donna2277 on 10/21/06


**Why then did our founding fathers pray to God for help and guidance? Doesn't sound like deists to me.**

Some of the founding fathers were definitely deists. Some were Christians.

Something tells me that if the deists had lived in muslim countries, they would have been muslim deists, if you know what I mean.
---Jack on 10/21/06


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Ephesians 5: 11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

All secret societies are satanic, and clearly rebuked by God.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/06


Do not take to heart everything people say, lest you hear your servant cursing you. For many times, also, your own heart has known that even you have cursed others.
Do not curse the king, even in your thought; Do not curse the rich, even in your bedroom;
For a bird of the air may carry your voice,
And a bird in flight may tell the matter.
Ecc 7:21,22 10:20
---Shiela on 10/21/06


Nellah "in order to join the Masons you have to believe in the resurrection of Christ"
Not true.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/21/06


Washington and Religion by Paul F. Boller, Jr.,On page 82 of the book, Boller includes a quote from a Presbyterian minister, Arthur B. Bradford, "often said in my hearing, though very sorrowfully, of course, that while Washington was very deferential to religion and its ceremonies, like nearly all the founders of the Republic, he was not a Christian, but a Deist."
---MikeM on 10/21/06


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When trying to arrange for workmen in 1784 at Mount Vernon, Washington made clear that he would accept "Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists." Washington wrote Lafayette in 1787, "Being no bigot myself, I am disposed to indulge the professors of Christianity in the church that road to heaven which to them shall seem the most direct, plainest, easiest and least liable to exception."
---MikeM on 10/21/06


I know a couple of Masons, work with one. He's not satanic. He said in order to join the Masons you have to believe in the resurrection of Christ. By the way, Washington wasn't deist, he was Christian. Deists believe God made us and left us on our own. Why then did our founding fathers pray to God for help and guidance? Doesn't sound like deists to me.
---Nellah on 10/21/06


** oy scouts was founded by Baden-powell, a high mason, Scouts has masonic overtones, therefore is boy scouts evil to? Most churchs have Scout troops.**

Did you know that the Boy Scouts of America is run by Mormons--so much so that's it's now the official boy's organization of the LDS church?
---Jack on 10/20/06


Tofu; It is often quoted, Washingtons farwell address, where he pleads for Americans to be religious. Now study his inaguration, it was masonic, to a degree it has been ever since. The denial of the clear fact that most the founders were Freemasons, and that it had an influence is a basic denial of Americas heritage, and reality.
---MikeM on 10/20/06


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boy scouts was founded by Baden-powell, a high mason, Scouts has masonic overtones, therefore is boy scouts evil to? Most churchs have Scout troops.
---MikeM on 10/20/06


Thanks for breaking the sound barrier, AO. We see you, we hear you, your presence is known. We know you need to be the center of attention.
---Anonymous on 10/20/06


** Jack, what do all those {degrees} of masonry mean? Does that have to do with the world?**

Sheila, it would take more than 85 words, or even a few postings of 85 words to answer your questions adequately.

Search the Web. You will find out a lot.
---Jack on 10/20/06


Ahhh, MikeM is quoting from the movie National Treasure again. Gotta love it.
---tofurabby on 10/20/06


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Americas founders were freemasons and deist. Madison, Washington(32degree high mason) etc. Masonic terms are in the constitution, and washington DC is full of Masonic symbols. Fundamentalist often claim America was founded by Christians, who wanted a Christian nation, yet also say masonry is Satanic. Is this cognative dissonance?
---MikeM on 10/20/06


Quoting Susie: No Christian needs to join any secret organization. Jesus is all we need!!!!

Someone needs to tell Pres. Bush this. He's in a secret skull and crossbones organization.

I've heard that many in esteemed judicial and political positions are also masons. I agree with you, Susie, this is absolutely unnecessary for Christians.
---AlwaysOn on 10/20/06


Jack, what do all those {degrees} of masonry mean? Does that have to do with the world?
---Shiela on 10/20/06


**All of the criticisms presented thus far have been mindless dribble. And I have never been a Freemason.**

I was.

To please my family, I was initiated, passed, and raised when I was 21.

Freemasonry and Christianity ARE incompatible.
---Jack on 10/20/06


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The problem with Masons is the fact everything ,including each step or Degree ,is secret. People can't know what really goes on in there until they enter each Degree, and then it's too late,they are involved in something they may not have ordinarily gotten into. I dispise Secret Organizations ,I feel they can even drive a rift between husbands and wives since their lives are to be an open book to the spouse. Satan hides in darkness and secrecy ,of that type,is a form of darkness.
---Darlene_1 on 10/20/06


Our forefathers had strong Masonic roots and that in turn undoubtedly effected our nations founding and the way our government was constructed. Nine of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Masons and thirteen of the signers of the Constitution were Masons. The father of the country, Washington, was heavily involved in the Masons.
---randy on 10/20/06


notlaw99 - I'm afraid that your comparisons do little merit to your argument. In practice, Rotary and the Lions are not much better - except they do not have multiple levels of secrecy - which you will only find out if you read more about freemasonry, or join. The other two are based on good works, and there is no allegiance to God in either of them. Purely humanistic.
---laure5759 on 10/20/06


Hey, notlaw99, why don't you make a study of what freemasonry really is and where it originates from before you say it's not satanic? Might be surprised.
---Marietta on 10/19/06


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If Christianity is not enough for a person, then that person had better take another look at whether they are saved or not. No Christian needs to join any secret organization. Jesus is all we need!!!!
---Susie on 10/19/06


Free Masonry is no better or worse than any other lodge or Greek fraternity or sorority in Americas colleges. There is nothing inconsistent with Free Masonry and being a Christian; most are protestant, some are Jewish and virtually none are practicing Catholics. They do a lot of good for their communities. Much like the Rotary, Lions Club, Elks, Eagles and other service organizations.

All of the criticisms presented thus far have been mindless dribble. And I have never been a Freemason.
---notlaw99 on 10/19/06


My understanding of Freemasonry is that it involves the taking of an oath, and multiple levels of secrecy. The Bible teaches that we must not take oaths, except that we swear by God alone. It also teaches us that we must be open in our dealings with one another.
---laure5759 on 10/19/06


No, they are not.

While there are many membres of evangelical churches--even Baptists--who are Masons, I think that either they don't know what Christianity really teaches, the meaning of the words of the Masonic rituals--or both.

This is not necessarily a mark in these people's favor.
---Jack on 10/19/06


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Absolutely NOT!
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 10/19/06


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