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Destruction Of The Flesh

First Corinthians 5:5 "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. "Does this mean that Satan can destroy a Christian yet not get his spirit?

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---Vinod_Rasaily on 11/22/10


Here comes the biggest questions, while we are confidently affirming that such a man is already saved by faith, and cannot lose his salvation for his immoral conduct or rather works. Why should a saved man be saved again? Is this possible? Or rather really needed? How can whom God has already saved, can be saved by mere human effiorts again? In this case, Paul has been talking about saving somebody, who is not at all capable of losing anything.
---Vinod on 11/22/10


It is rather evident from the text this is the meaning. The flesh is a mind set which is in opposition to the Spirit. The destruction would also include a physical manifestation as a sign to the rest of the church of God's holiness and sin does have dire consequences. The spirit purchased by the blood of Christ is preserved. Be ye holy as I am holy is not a request of God but a command.
---grant on 6/10/09


The purpose of such excommunication is to get him to repent.

As we can see from 2 Cor, he did.
---Jack on 2/26/08


here is what my bible (NIV Study bible) has to say about this.
This abandonment to Satan was to be accomplished, not by some magical incantation, but by expelling the man from the church and put him into the devil's territory, severed from any connection with God's people. So being officially ostracized from the church will cause the man such anguish that he will repent and forsake his wicked ways.
---Craig on 4/5/07




I believe that if a Christian contiues to sin, that God will allow Satan to destroy his flesh (death) so that his spirit will be saved. I think that some Christians are slaves to certain types of sin..maybe drug use.
---Tina on 4/2/07


Okebaram,
You said, "The statement was about the backslidden believer whom one has tried everything to restore holiness but to no avail. Because of the prayer of the rest of the church, that person may get a solid amount of protection from harm....."
This Church saw no harm in what the man was doing and was proud of him.
It was Paul who had to correct the Church in this matter. They were not praying for this man to repent. They were wrong also.
---Elder on 10/22/06


Rebecca D, you said, "Satan can do as he wish like he done to Job...."
This is for learning purposes only not rebuke.
Satan was not able to do as he wished to Job. It was not even Satan who brought the matter up about Job. God did.
God controlled Satan and he could only go so far.
Read Job 1:7-12.
---Elder on 10/22/06


Jack, didn't Rebecca specifically say she may be wrong? Your tone in trying to correct her should have been somewhat different. But thanks...
---Okebaram on 10/22/06


...Rebecca, you are somewhat right. The statement was about the backslidden believer whom one has tried everything to restore holiness but to no avail. Because of the prayer of the rest of the church, that person may get a solid amount of protection from harm than other unbelievers & therefore not see the need to repent. Paul told his Christian audience to remove this covering so that by suffering the person may become humble and repent. It is not a necessary thing to do.
---Okebaram on 10/22/06




**then that person can turn this person over to Satan so Satan**

Rebecca, I would also remind you of the time when some of the Apostles asked Jesus if they should call fire down from heaven to destroy a city. Jesus replied, "You do not know of what spirit you are."

Think about it, and see if your understanding of 1 Cor 5:5 conforms to what Jesus said about such things.
---Jack on 10/20/06


No, there are some people in the church that refuse to repent, thinking that it is alright to sin because God accepts them with their sin, and thereby they abuse God's grace and atonement. God is love, but God Requires repentance from sin in order to receive his love. Therefore, Paul gave them up to the destroyer in order that they might learn what true repentance from sin is and what true conversion into righteousness is.
---Eloy on 10/20/06


So many people try to fit the Word of God into their plan and pervert the message in doing so.
Paul was speaking of an individual that needed to be put out of the Church. This was not so the church would not be "contaminated" for it all ready was.
Cond #2
---Elder on 10/19/06


Cond #2
Paul wrote ALL 16 chapters to the Corinthian Church because it was sinning against God.
They were wrong about everything from the collection of the saints, The Lord's Supper to spiritual gifts.
It was the man in I Cor 5 that was sinning by having relations with his father's wife. It was the church that was sinning because they accepted the life style.
Many are weak and sickly today because they continue to sin.
Study the Book it is very plain.
---Elder on 10/19/06


This an example of what Paul was speaking about and it was long thought that this meant They weren't welcomed in church.

1 Timothy 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
1 Timothy 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
---Pharisee on 10/19/06


Mrs. Morgan is right here.
---Okebaram on 10/19/06


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Paul was talking about someone in the church that was a Christian. When we become a Christian, we are Crucified with Christ. Our 1st old adam is dead, and we are raised a New Creation in Christ Jesus. Romans 6. Paul was referring to the man's carnal nature, or our old sin nature. I believe if we don't yield as we are told to obey, that one way or the other it will be dealt with, if you are a Christian. God scorges every son who belongs to him. Sometimes our stubborn self will disobeys.
---kathr4453 on 10/19/06


** No. This means that if a person has tired and tired to be a witness to someone else and has tried to pray for them and they aren't getting closer to God. then that person can turn this person over to Satan so Satan**

Does ANYONE want so much power over another that he can "turn him over to Satan" in such a way that Satan can harass him?

I certainly don't.

And I don't claim to be in a spiritual condition to even DO such a thing.

Do you, Rebecca?
---Jack on 10/19/06


It does indeed mean what you said. There may come a time that a true believer succombs to the flesh (their carnal nature). At such a time God will "take them home" to prevent losing a part of His body. Notice the verse says for "destruction", not pain or rebuke. I would rather go to God through extreme unction than be lost forever 'cause He loved me so much? He let me ruin my place with Him. Read JOB for Satan's power.
---mikefl on 10/19/06


No. This means that if a person has tired and tired to be a witness to someone else and has tried to pray for them and they aren't getting closer to God. then that person can turn this person over to Satan so Satan can do as he wish like he done to Job so this person can have their eyes opened and their spirit be saved. I could be wrong but this is what I understand.
---Rebecca_D on 10/19/06


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mima,(I.)Paul was speaking of removing a person from the church that was rebelling against the Word of God(fornicating with his father's wife). He said that the Church's complacency was wrong, and that the person must be "expelled from the church"(deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh), to avoid "contaminating the church", and by doing this, the person may repent and come back to God, escaping damnation( that the spirit may be saved....)
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/19/06


mima, (II.) I have heard someone say that it is possible for a Christian to sin(in the flesh)but their spirit will "remain clean", Mima, that is a lie of the devil! If a Christian sins, that WILL CONTAMINATE THEIR SOUL (Hebrews 10:26,27)(Many Christian's are deceived about this), Only if that person honestly repents will God forgive them, and cleanse them(1 John 1:6-10). God is just. God Bless.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/19/06


Satan cannot destroy a Christian. In the martyrs (and there are still martyrs today) one sees Satan destroying the BODY (the flesh), but not the soul. Even if a Christian gives his life to Jesus, Satan will try to attack the body, in attempts to get the Christian to renounce Jesus.
---laure5759 on 10/19/06


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