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What exactly is a rosary? I want one. They are so pretty and the one I want has beads and a silver crucifix of Jesus on it. I'm not a catholic. Is it bad to have one? I just like how they look.

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then read the blogs again from the beginning. as i see, many scriptrures have been pressented in this blog by a few persons
---Andy on 4/10/09


Jesus repeated his prayers in Gethsemane right before the soldiers came to carry him away to be crucified.

many people in the Bible pray unceasingly in their own way. The Rosary is no different.
You really can't tell if someone is saying a meaningless prayer or one full of meaning and heart.
The Rosary is about he life of the Holy family from the birth to the death and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Amen.
It is good to pray.
---paul on 4/9/09


Andy, your hands are clean and EMPTY.
NO ONE HAS GIVEN THE SCRIPTURES TO US AND YOU KNOW IT.

No repeating, Andy. The first wasn't even said. Repeating what Scripture?
No Scripture to back up your words, or you would gladly have given them to us over and over again.

No, as always you try to put us down and state we violate the Bible.
Since when is it to violate the Bible when we ask for Passages of the Bible as evidence?
Then you have condemned yourself. You always ask for Biblical proof.

It amazes me when you get upset when we copy you. Why? Are you better than us?
Are there 2 sets of rules for you and us Catholic on this website?
If so, please tell me the rules so I can follow them as you wish.
---Natalie2 on 4/7/09


What? will you violate the bible to make your point? a continual accusation from every catholic to anyone who wants them to see the truth that sets them free.
Nathalie said. Where in the Bible does it state not to communicate with the dead?

this Nathalie and MIC and anyone i do not wish to repeat since it is useless. many amongst us have given scriptures (and not only with these blogs) yet what good is a candle and eyeglasses if the owl refuses to see( a dutch proverb)? i have done my job my hands are clean.
---Andy on 4/7/09


Andy, 'IN graces' means having the gift from Jesus which comes in the form of Graces.
Some humans do have more Graces than others. Fact.

'OF' The sources of all Graces comes from Jesus.
Grace means a gift from another.
Jesus isn't Grace. Who gave Grace to Jesus?
It is He who DISPENSES Graces from His DIVINE BEING.
Like a Well that contain Water. You get the water from the Well. But, the Well isn't Water. The Well is the SOURCE of the Water.

Where in the Bible does it state not to communicate with the dead? You say this without cited Scripture.
Are you saying that Jesus sinned because He communicated with the dead? Matthew 17
Rev 6:10-11 shows dead people looking at alive people on earth and asking God to 'ACT!'
---Natalie2 on 4/6/09




Frances008, you are partially correct.
If the Catholic is 10 years old, it is not because his is born into a Catholic family. One is not born Catholic.
You must be baptized.

No more is the Jewish boy Jewish because he is born into a Jewish family. The boy must be circumcised to be Jewish.
Except for the girl. She is the only one who could be born into a Jewish family and is Jewish.

So, I assumed if you call the boy Catholic and he is 10yrs old, then he was baptized which SAVES him as Jesus promised in Mark 16:16.

Underage persons which means unknowledgable persons DO NOT go to hell if they are not baptized before death.
Where? Is a mystery, but they WILL BE UNITED with Jesus.
---Natalie2 on 4/6/09


Nathalie2 who said that it is hate that drives me? it is love and concern for all who are misguided and blinded.then again when Christ pointed out the truth to the people everybody said that his teachings where hard as well. I know that you will respond now that it is I who is misguided, and that hate drives me or even that i am apostate etc. nevertheless. if, God forbids, i would be al the above, and my brother refuses to tell me the truth, i would be verry offended when i came to the trone of God and now i found my brother out.
Christ is the only way. Christ is the only mediator. deep down you know that too, so start living up to this knowledge.
---Andy on 4/6/09


Those who do not think knowledge of God is a worthy thing to seek are going to miss out on understanding what God's will is. Things from then on will get very messy because, as Rhonda says, God gives them blindness to the truth. However, what is vile is the system, not the people who are deceived and who are merely captives of the devil. They need to be prayed for, they need a lot of patience, and they need honest words from true believers. Sadly, it is like communism, the ideology of Catholicism cannot be escaped from without God's mercy. On the good side, if those people in Catholicism do not disobey the Ten Commandments or the New Testament Love Commandments, then they are (in my humble opinion) covered. Love covers a multitude of sins.
---frances008 on 4/6/09


If a ten year old dies, who has never known anything but Catholicism, are they going to go to Hell. No, of course not! The same goes for those whose simple minds do not question authority. They are ignorant. The ones we should worry about are those who deliberately choose Catholicism, for non-spiritual motives, knowing full well that it is idol-worship and anti-biblical.
---frances008 on 4/6/09


Nathalie2 and MIC, why do you still need to make that connection between the bodily dead and living, it is exactely this that keeps you eyes closed.
bodily dead. bible says do not comunicate with them,
bodily alive.bible says pray for one another.
it is true that this was confusing to many who lived in 15th century since majority could not read and write. but today it should be obvious.
never i said i assummed the person praying for me is in greater graces, since there is no greater grace then the grace of Jesus.
bible sais..For it is by grace you are saved through faith and this is not from yourself, it is the gift of God so that no man may boast.
---Andy on 4/6/09




Mic if I may,
Andy, if you would slow down with your hate towards the RCC, maybe you would read your posts before posting them.

Mic is saying that going to Mary or the Saints is the same when you go to your Pastor or any human being on earth.
Remember, Mary, Saints, Pastors and others are all HUMANS. Not GOD.

The difference between us Catholics and you is that we make sure they BELONG to God, because they are in Heaven.

Those you entreat to go to Jesus are still living on earth. Their souls might be in worst state than your own. You assume they are in greater graces than you. But, again you ASSUME THIS.
We know Mary and The Saints are in Heaven, so we KNOW they can entreat Jesus.

ASSUME VS KNOW.
---Natalie2 on 4/5/09


Rhonda, rev 17 is talking about a city not a church...*****

Revelation is prophecy about end times describes TWO women

women are churches NOT cities

TRUE church bride of Christ Spiritual Church John 4:23,24, 14:17 protected during tribulation

second women (church) is Synagogue of Satan ...WHORE of FALSE CHURCH not a city ...counterfeit pagan christianity superimposing babylonian pagan religion OVER True Church(pagan Babylon HATED by God)

Vatican is sovereign government the LITTLE horn to force its brand again on all mankind when holy roman empire is revived through by 10 united cities in Europe

All governments are OWNED by god of this world 2Corin 4:4
---Rhonda on 4/4/09


"No one should go to the Father except through the SON"that is God's Law.If Our Prayers go to "the son" How is the law being Violated.
Our prayers go through mary "to her son" where is the Violation. Besides we entreat "Pray for us sinners"is that bad or would you in violation to His rule as God, to pray for you or forgive you.He has already shown us those on earth to go to his appointed REP'S Matt28:20,

MIC, do you realise you contradict yourself verry obvioussly? first you say: no one should go to the fatherexcept through the son
however then you add: BESIDES WE ENTREAT... who do you entreat?
---Andy on 4/4/09


Andy, please follow your own advice in being honest.
You are very dishonest and you know you are.
You don't even care if your own posts proves how dishonest.

Not one Catholic denies praying to Mary to ask her to pray for us to JESUS.

Let me make this simple.

I ask Mary in the form of communcation called praying, for her the Mother of God to pray for me to her Son Jesus.

Remember, praying to us ISN'T worship.
Praying is worship to YOU.
DON'T MIXED US UP.

Mary is NOT GOD.
Mary was SAVED BY GOD AT HER CONCEPTION.
I ask Mary to assist me, unlike you who ask your Pastor in assisting you.

Don't be confuse and stop lying on Catholics.
---Natalie2 on 4/2/09


honestly im more at ease with a hidu, for theuy admit their prayers to whatever god, then a cathgolic who does these things yet denies it
******

catholic brainwashing

imagine repeating something dozens of times EVERY day

drone like trance of prayer to a Mary becomes programmed into their subconscious ...later leaders tell them they are NOT praying to a Mary even when prayer is CLEARLY to a Mary

learning to say one thing out one side of their mouth while doing exact thing they say they are not doing out other side

masterful brainwashing by father of lies, great deceiver of all

many believe Satan mysteriously arrives on scene at end times unaware he's always been here as god of this world 2Corin 4:4
---Rhonda on 4/2/09


ANDY:-My reply was the truth , but I also wanted to see the extent of the "DEAR MIC"what prompted this sudden term of Christian endearment and sure enough it was as False as the words that dribbled out.You want to be Right even if you are wrong with God. PRIDE IS A TREMENDOUS FORCE TO MOVE AWAY FROM, but it does have a downfall.Thanks for the story about the Alcoholic Acolyte.
---MIC on 4/2/09


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MIC, thank you, you have replied exactly in the sence i expected. levetating Mary on the same level as Jesus, as God. tyhe strange thing is rthat no catholic, however theyre reason is so anti-biblical comes to this conclussionn.
---Andy on 4/2/09


the strange thing again is that however you ask Mary to pray for you, since she is not on this earth it is obligatory a prayer, you still try to denounce this practice. its like that kid who was caught drinking wine. the priest had put ink on the mouth of the bottle,consequently when the child drank a beautiful black circle appeared on his lips. so with that circle on his face he said "i swear to God, i did not do it- honestly im more at ease with a hidu, for theuy admit their prayers to whatever god, then a cathgolic who does these things yet denies it. if one does a thing let at least honnesty be found within that person and let the person accept.
---Andy on 4/2/09


truth if serving rcc christianity who worship another Jesus (2Corin 11:4)

Gods Word CONDEMNS idol worship professing christianity WORD to SERVE their OWN elaborate doctrines traditions of men (Matt 15:8-9)

rcc MOTHER (Rev 17) and her pagan Mary queen of Heaven is NOT the same as Biblical Mary

---Rhonda on 3/31/09


Rhonda, rev 17 is talking about a city not a church...
---Ruben on 4/1/09


Andy:-You deviate from the point/"No one should go to the Father except through the SON"that is God's Law.If Our Prayers go to "the son" How is the law being Violated.Our prayers go through mary "to her son" where is the Violation. Besides we entreat "Pray for us sinners"is that bad or would you in violation to His rule as God, to pray for you or forgive you.He has already shown us those on earth to go to his appointed REP'S Matt28:20,another thing Jesus Nominated His church in Matt16,13-19, if you are not in His church you made a choice against HIM. you stil did not tell me your denom may be you are in the wrong Church?or are you diffedent.
---MIC on 4/1/09


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Dear Mic, that is the entire point. the RCC teaches that one should pray TO ex. Mary so that the same Mary, mother of Jesus, could intercede for us before the throne of Jesus.if one remembers the words of the hail Mary, on must recognise that it is a personally adressed request to a person, other then God, who is no longer upon the face this earth, but who found rest in heaven. let me give another possitive example, maybe you remember the old Irish hymn "joys seven". anyone might like and apreciate this song since it is a history telling of the seven joys of Mary to see her own son Jesus Christ. no worship whatsoever, nevertheless it is said she is blessed.
---Andy on 4/1/09


Andy said: "Nathalie2 My point is, and many will agree, that it is your way of argumentation, your manner of expressing which causes a lot of confussion"

No Andy. I recommend you read carefully what Natalie is saying because she is making lots of sense and I'm in full agreement with her. I consider her logical in her arguments and discussions.
---Paul2 on 4/1/09


Alan, you're a babydolator. While you're at it, please give that super cute little angel a hug and kiss for me too.

May the non-Catholics should follow Alan's style and learn how to respect others. In this blog, Natalie and Alan are the two I admire most.
---Paul2 on 4/1/09


could you answer instead of accusing me of accusing?...however we are not allowed to pray to those who died and went to heaven.

[Where is that in the Bible? Or did your Pastor told you that?]

by the way we do not pray to Jesus in Jesus name, we pray to the father in Jesus name. Hebrews shows Christ as the only mediator.---Andy

I am sorry if you don't like my answer, but it is still my answer.
You asked what did it call it? I told you what I called it.
Now you what to pick out my answers for me to you?

Mic, also answered you.
As he said, the word 'for' and 'to' isn't the same.

So, now you don't speak to Jesus. You only use Him to get to God.
So, you only speak to God, not Jesus?
---Natalie2 on 3/31/09


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And as for God, He NEVER ONCE accused me of idol worship. Why? Because I haven't.
*****

truth if serving rcc christianity who worship another Jesus (2Corin 11:4)

Gods Word CONDEMNS idol worship professing christianity WORD to SERVE their OWN elaborate doctrines traditions of men (Matt 15:8-9)

rcc MOTHER (Rev 17) and her pagan Mary queen of Heaven is NOT the same as Biblical Mary

Spiritual Church ROCK of Christ (Deut 32:31, Psalm 18:2,31, 1Corin 10:4, Matt 16:18-19, John 17:11-17, Luke 12:32, Rev 12:6) who worship and OBEY The Father in heaven (Acts 5:32 Luke 11:2) through our Savior and High Priest Christ (Heb 3:1, 4:14) in truth and spirit (John 4:23) and REJECT the teachings of MEN (Mark 7:6-7, Acts 5:29)
---Rhonda on 3/31/09


MIC & Natalie

Maybe the dictionary gives different meanings for "to" and "for".

But you have to realise that if it suits someone's argument to say that "to" equals "for" they will say it.

Personally I don't think to equals for My maths learnt long ago reminds me that to plus to equals for.
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/31/09


"We are not allowed to "pray TO" those who died"Andy just for your elucidation Andy:- The meaning of the word FOR is different to the word "TO"when used in a sentence.Did not Jesus say "The Father and I are ONE"But Alans post which preceeds mine tells it all. Credible VS incredible.
---MIC on 3/31/09


Nahalie2, could you answer instead of accusing me of accusing? .
about asking a pastor to pray for u,did you ever read the last chapter of James, or Ephesians 6, where it is said we should (commanded by God= obligation)pray for one and another. however we are not allowed to pray to those who died and went to heaven. by the way we do not pray to Jesus in Jesus name, we pray to the father in Jesus name. Hebrews shows Christ as the only mediator. however we allready discussed this point before.
---Andy on 3/31/09


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I am a new grandad & I've just kissed a photo of my new grandaughter.

Does not mean I worship her!

I don't kiss statues of Mary, nor do I speak in tongues ... but I don't condemn those that do either of these things.

And if someone says they do not worship Mary, I actually beleive what they say!
When it comes to what Natalie believes, I would generally go by what she says rather tna by what Andy says1

Similarly, I would trust Andy's words,rather than Natalie's, about what Andy believes. (But of course Natalie has not had the nerve to try and say what Andy (or anyone else) beleives)
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/30/09


{Nathalie, kissing a statue is not worshipping them? if it is not worship, what is it?}

YOU JUDGING AGAIN.
Have you never kissed a picture of your wife when she hasn't been near you in awhile?
Have you never seen a small child kiss a photo of their mother before?
Did you snatch the picture away and scold the child?
Telling them they were worshipping the object?

{asking Mary to interceed for you is not prayer? what is it then.--Andy on 3/27/09}

DOUBLE STANDARD

Ever asked Pastor to pray for you?
Why can you and not I?
Go to Jesus yourself.

And as for God, He NEVER ONCE accused me of idol worship. Why?
Because I haven't.
---Natalie2 on 3/30/09


still when i blogged your post, you did not seem to be able to give any response or explenation --Andy on 3/27/09


Here it is again:

{Andy, I see my post, but whats your point?
I am asking you, why kill a man if he didn't touch God? The Ark is an object.
Uzzah died for disobedience.
God said: Don't touch the Ark unless you are a High Priest.
Uzzah, not a high priest, touched the Ark. He died.
Numbers 21:4-9 People lived by looking at the Bronze snake, not because the object has a divine spirit.
But, because God gave SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS to them: They obeyed. They didn't say, "No, God that's an idol!".--Natalie2 on 3/24/09}

Just in case you missed my response.
---Natalie2 on 3/28/09


....kissing a statue is not worshipping them? if it is not worship, what is it?
asking Mary to interceed for you is not prayer? what is it then.
By the way it is not I who accuse you, it is Gods word
******

Amen Andy ...for many who hate Gods Truth they believe people "accuse" them because many do not believe the spokesmen of the Word of God who is Christ ...when one puts aside word of God for mens traditions and idolatry their punishment from The Father in heaven is blindness to his truth

they are MORE vile then ancient Israel who followed after the heathen nations worshiping inanimate objects because they offer up and superimpose these abominations OVER The Eternal
---Rhonda on 3/27/09


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Nathalie, kissing a statue is not worshipping them? if it is not worship, what is it?
asking Mary to interceed for you is not prayer? what is it then.
By the way it is not I who accuse you, it is Gods word.
1 king 19.18, hosea 13.2, Job 31.27. still when i blogged your post, you did not seem to be able to give any response or explenation upon your own words, in stead you try to keep the boat away by another accusation. by the way, I am nice, for it is the salvation of YOUR soul that i have in mind.
---Andy on 3/27/09


Andy, the confusion is caused because you refuse to explained your own words.

You accuse me of breaking Commandments.
I prove to you by GOD'S OWN WORDS, that having statues and kissing them isn't worship. You jump to another question, saying I believe statues have divine dwelling. I said no, I don't. But, you wish to paste lies on Catholics
Since you are not Catholic, why don't you stop trying to tell Catholics how they worship is wrong?
Since you are clueless and misunderstand everything we do.
We explain, you counterattack our explaination.

I know very little about the Buddist's faith. So, I don't tell them the meaning of their worship or who they worship.

Be nice and don't judge.
---Natalie2 on 3/26/09


Nathalie2 My point is, and many will agree, that it is your way of argumentation, your manner of expressing which causes a lot of confussion, so if making a point, rather take time to explain, which will help everybody. comming back upon SOLO CHRISTOS
let me state verry clear I KNOW YOU DID'NT USE THIS WORD, however the line in ALL your posts do point out two contradicting ideas. (however hidden to an unmindfull reader)
1. SALVATION THROUGH THE intermedium OF CHRIST ALONE
2. All saints and especially MARY are intermediums between GOD AND MAN.

this is what i understand from your blogs.
---Andy on 3/26/09


Andy, I see my post, but whats your point?

I am asking you, why kill a man if he didn't touch God? The Ark is an object.
Uzzah died for disobedience.

God said: Don't touch the Ark unless you are a High Priest.
Uzzah, not a high priest, touched the Ark. He died.

Numbers21:4-9 People lived by looking at the Bronze snake, not because the object has a divine spirit.
But, because God gave SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS to them: They obeyed. They didn't say, "No, God that's an idol!".

Andy, you are confused on what God wants.
HE WANT OBEDIENCE FROM YOU AND I.

Don't question God.
Those who do, find themselves in trouble.
Ask Aaron and Miriam, they will tell you.
Numbers 12
---Natalie2 on 3/24/09


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Nathalie, THIS WAS YOUR REPLY
Andy,
Exodus25:18-22 God is speaking: Make 2 cherubim of beaten gold,....
Numbers21:4-9 v8 ..."Make a saraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it, he will recover."....Whenever anyone who HAD been bitten by a serpent looked at the bronze serpent, he recovered.
WHAT? They put a graven image and look at it and are rewarded?
2 Samuel 6:6-7..Uzzah reached out his hand to the ARK of God and steadied it,...But, the Lord was ANGRY with Uzzah, God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God.
WHAT? Uzzah didn't touch God, why kill him?
Is God forgetful, lying, or playing games with us?

---Natalie2 on 3/13/09
---Andy on 3/24/09


Andy, you are so confused that you are mixing your accusement to me as a statement my me. Go back and read the Posts.

Natalie so are you admitting that the statues in the catholic church ARE at least divinly indwelled?--Andy 3/16
You, not me.

Nathalie2 A"t no time have I said mentioned SOLO CHRISTOS.That only means that only One person is the Messiah".
I do hope i misunderstood you here. You did say that items are divinly indwelled,--Andy 3/23

Where is the post of me saying they are divinly indwelled?
I am telling you, I never brought up the words 'Solo Christos', you are the first to say them

As for other Messiah? I never stated there is more than one. Jesus Christ (Christ means Messiah)
---Natalie2 on 3/24/09


Nathalie2 A"t no time have I said mentioned SOLO CHRISTOS.That only means that only One person is the Messiah".
I do hope i misunderstood you here. You did say that items are divinly indwelled, you indeed did not say that they where alive (which i never said you said). You even called the ark to be God. maybe again you expressed yourself wrong.
by the way the ark is NOT the image of Mary as you presume, however i could again been misunderstanding you. what i do understand verry well however, is that you admit willingly to break the first four commandments, saying God commanded you to do so through the REPLACER OF GOD in this world who is a kind of semi-god on this earth . yet again i am only misunderstanding.
---Andy on 3/23/09


2. Nathalie2
"That only means that only One person is the Messiah" . My question now is are there more messiahs according to you? since your reponse really wants to imply that. Wasnt the bronze serpent destroyed because of the idolworship the jews committed? did Paul not use these same jews who made all these object as an example of Idolatry and its consequese? 1 Corinthians chapters 7-10. Did God not say somewhere in the bible was it really to me you have offered sacrifices? (Amos 5.25-27)but you have bore the tabernacle of your moloch... Now that is an answer enough?
---Andy on 3/23/09


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Natalie2 -- I never said people are dead in the grave after they pass on. They certainly are not!

But I do not think they play a major role (if any) in the lives God's people who still live on the earth. Nor should they. At least, scripture is full of references to "unclean" spirits, "familiar" spirits, "evil" spirits...which we are to avoid or cast out.

It is easy to imagine, to wish, that we can communicate with those we loved and admired in life.

However, there is but one HOLY Spirit (God)
to whom we are to attend.
---Donna66 on 3/21/09


Now donna, the witch of Endor was frightened because indeed she did not expect the true Samuel to proceed, something that nnormally could not happen, it was therefore that she knew she was in troubles.
Nathalie. MARY THE TRUE ARK, once God had left the temple the ark dissapeared in history. as when Jesus was born Mary should ghet out of the history, she was only an envelope in that matter. Now the ark was nothing more than a wooden box. as mary was nothing more then one way which God used to bring Christ in this world. she, however we do honour her, is of no value today, she finished her ministrie on this earth and she is now ejoying her reward Prostrating before the Eternal father, lamb ofGod, and lion of Judah...
---Andy on 3/20/09


Andy, you have me confused with another person this website.
At no time have I said mentioned SOLO CHRISTOS.
That only means that only One person is the Messiah.

You accused me of saying that statues are alive.
I proved I didn't.
You jumped to another false statement. When I prove you wrong, you jump to something else.

Your refusal to answer my Scriptures about God ORDERING THE JEWS to make statues and give respect. Those who didn't DIED BY GOD OWN HAND.
But no, you ignore all Scripture proofs, because you refuse to believe you could be wrong.
That's Pride.
Don't worry about my soul, you need to tend to your own soul.
Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins.
Deadly as to soul death.
---Natalie2 on 3/20/09


Donna66, the point still shows people are not dead in Heaven, and can communicate to us still alive on earth.
You believe the Bible right?
The Bible is telling you that the Witch conjured up Samuel to speak to Saul 1 Samuel 28:11. Samuel gets mad at Saul, not the Witch for conjuring him up. 1 Samuel 28:15

Samuel knows his death date. How?
God had to have told Samuel.

I am not saying that what Saul did was right.

But, I used this Scripture to you all who want Passages to prove that dead people are not asleep in the grave.

You don't insult me if you choose not to believe it. But, you can't say they are dead.
How many people in the Bible who appeared after death talking do you want in order to believe?
---Natalie2 on 3/20/09


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Andy, I have been to Europe, I am one of those faithful Catholics who HAPPILY kissed the relics and visited undecayed bodies.
****

how sad ...no small wonder how duped this system is kissing inanimate objects to serve their heathen god

The Father in heaven tells us to worship him in truth and spirit ...Apostles were not "kissing" relics or any other hollow lifeless inanimate object

just like an inanimate prop of jewels called a rosary

Biblical Mary is dead waiting the resurrection when Christ returns to set up Gods Kingdom on earth which is a mystery to those without understanding of Gods Word 1 Corin 15:50-52
---Rhonda on 3/19/09


Nathalie you said: I have been to Europe, I am one of those faithful Catholics who HAPPILY kissed the relics and visited undecayed bodies?
You are the least consistent of all the catholics i know. You say SOLO CHRISTOS, yet youre actions are far remoted from your words. 1st Corinthians 10.19-22 says WHAT? ARE WE TRYING TO provoke God. but naturally this is only butter on the gallow for you, you are given to these teachings of demons, and i fear you will perrish with them.
---Andy on 3/19/09


Natalie--
Referring to your post of 3/13 about Samuel and Saul (sorry it took me so long to get back to this).
My understanding is this:
Samuel was a prophet, which means he did hear from God. This was not true of Saul at that time. He couldn't find out what he wanted without going to a witch. We have no reason to think the witch of Endor gave him the truth... any more than the hundreds of witches and seers today who claim to hear the dead but actually just pick up verbal and non-verbal cues from the seeker.
---Donna66 on 3/18/09


God killed him because of the Lack of respect shown to the Ark.

When He said no one, but certain High Priest at certain times can touch the Ark, He wasn't joking was He?

Uzzah, not a High Priest, should have trust in God in protecting His Own Ark.
If God can divide a river, can He not also prevent His Ark from falling?
---Natalie2 on 3/18/09

In other words, in case you miss it, the Ark carried Manna, Rod and the commandments and no one could touch it. Mary on the other hand carried the Bread of life, the High priest and the Word made Flesh..If he was that protected on the Ark of the Covenant, how was he on Mary....
---Ruben on 3/18/09


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Andy, Who is the true Ark of the Covenant?

Exodus 40:20 and Deuteronomy 10:1-2, 10 Commandments in the Ark. Note V 22
Exodus 16:32-34 Manna in the Ark. V33 Take a urn and put an omer of manna in it.(A urn:Greek translation, which is followed in Heb 9,4 this was a golden vessel.)
Numbers 17:28,18:1-7 Note V7 for Uzzah.
'Dwelling of the Lord', not the Lord.
Read 2 Samuel 6, esp V 11, note 3 month blessing the house of Obededom the Gittite.

Go to Luke 1:39-56, note the 3 months V 56.
Who is the Word of God? John 1:1 Jesus
Who is the Bread of Life? John 6:32-59 Jesus

Who is the TRUE Ark? Mary.
The Jews didn't worship the Ark, but respected the Ark as the Dwelling of God. So with Mary. She isn't God.
---Natalie2 on 3/18/09


Andy, I have been to Europe, I am one of those faithful Catholics who HAPPILY kissed the relics and visited undecayed bodies.

In your reply, you made many mistake.
Saints are in Heaven and are not Dead.
Jesus said: God is the God of the living.

I was Saved many years as a baby before going to those Shrines you wrote.

You thought I thought my Salvation came from the kissing and touching of the Shrines.

Not true. Mark 16:16 is my belief.
Baptism for Salvation.

Your misunderstanding does not determine my Salvation Status.
Jesus' Death and Resurrection, does as long as I do want He tells me to do.
Be Baptized with Water and Spirit.
---Natalie2 on 3/18/09


Andy, Uzzah touch the Ark to steady it.
I wrote: What?(meaning why kill the man since he DIDN'T TOUCH GOD)

If Uzzah touched God, even David would know why he died!
Who dares touches God? The action of Uzzah was a respectable to us humans.
He didn't want something so Holy to God to fall. He thought he was showing God respect by steading it.
God said, "My Ways are not your ways."

God killed him because of the Lack of respect shown to the Ark.

When He said no one, but certain High Priest at certain times can touch the Ark, He wasn't joking was He?

Uzzah, not a High Priest, should have trust in God in protecting His Own Ark.
If God can divide a river, can He not also prevent His Ark from falling?
---Natalie2 on 3/18/09


Dear Nathalie, obviously you live in Amerca, you should try once to visit Europe . go to all the different shrines of DEAD CATHOLIC SAINTS where theire bones, their hair, even their fingernails are exposed and where faithfull catholics vissit and even kiss these relics to receive their salvation, healing or purification. i might be confused about English yet YOU ARE about your own statements read them verry carefully before contradicting them, instead of responding emmotionally. Your reply on my blog the 3/13 2 Samuel 6:6-7...But, the Lord was ANGRY with Uzzah, God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God.
WHAT? Uzzah didn't touch God, why kill him?"
your answer implies that the ark was GOD.
---Andy on 3/18/09


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Andy, different league only when you are trying to excuse yourself.
You are aware that the bodies in the graves are just shell?
The soul has departed to heaven and has a new body.
So, no one is praying to dead shells.

Again, you are confused with the English language, and believe the word praying means worship.

Stop asking your Pastor to pray for you.
Go to Jesus yourself!

And when did I say statues are divinly indwelled? You made that up!
Watch scary movies alot?

Explain the bronze snake and the Ark of the Convenant?
God is the one who told them to look at it not me.
God is the one who stuck a man dead for touching the Ark not me. EXPLAIN THAT PLEASE

Are you saying God is wrong?
---Natalie2 on 3/16/09


Natalie so are you admitting that the statues in the catholic church ARE at least divinly indwelled?
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Paul2, you admit that you pray to Mary asking her to pray for you (something others dont acknowledge whilst doing). ButMary died was buried, her spirit and soul went to heaven on a verry normal way. What did the bible say about communicating with dead? DO NOT DO IT. King Sauls final condemnation by God was exactly because of this.still Samuel must have been alive before Gods throne. Asking my pastor or brother to pray for me, he's not in his grave. I obey the biblical teaching of praying at all seasons To the father in jesus name, even for eachother. one is not to be confused with the other, its a totally different league.
---Andy on 3/16/09


I think my position on Heresy is correct.It is a rebellion against God condoned by those who call themself christians but in reality desires to create a division amongst Christians, By the introduction of False doctrines, and false interpretationsof Gods true meaning.Jesus appointed Apostles and Priests to Teach.Man commits SIN not the doctrine.
---MIC on 3/13/09


Alan Of UK:- Thanks friend.Guess it takes all kinds to make a world.
---MIC on 3/13/09


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MIC ... The accusation comes from those who oppose the Roman Church, and no I have never heard you suggest it!

This is the point I am trying to make ...

Who is better able to tell us what MIC believes? ... MIC himself, who tells us what he beleives, or others who tell us what MIC believes?

I think I know!!

God bless!
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/13/09


Andy,
Exodus25:18-22 God is speaking: Make 2 cherubim of beaten gold,....

Numbers21:4-9 v8 the Lord said to Moses, "Make a saraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it, he will recover."....Whenever anyone who HAD been bitten by a serpent looked at the bronze serpent, he recovered.

WHAT? They put a graven image and look at it and are rewarded?

2 Samuel 6:6-7..Uzzah reached out his hand to the ARK of God and steadied it,...But, the Lord was ANGRY with Uzzah, God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God.

WHAT? Uzzah didn't touch God, why kill him?

Is God forgetful, lying, or playing games with us?

Or are YOU MISINTERPRETING GOD AND OTHERS' ACTIONS?
---Natalie2 on 3/13/09


Andy, we ask Mary to PRAY FOR US.

When we pray to God we don't ask Him to pray for us but to help us. He has the power - we ask Mary to pray to God for us and we do not ask Her to help us.

Read your own quote carefully.
---Paul2 on 3/13/09


Alan, the same reply has been given zillions of times on these fora and many still stick to what they want to believe we do.

The animosity and hatred I see here for the Catholics is very shocking and the more negatives I read the more I feel determined how little or nothing many know about us.

I respect your prudence, Alan but I feel many comments by othrs are very unchristian, full of hatred and/or jealousy.
---Paul2 on 3/13/09


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But as far as her ability to affect anything on earth, I believe she is dead.
.....the Bible gives me no reason to think she has any influence upon me other than what she said and did here on earth.---Donna66

Okay, now I am not trying to be smart, but please explain Samuel?

He knew when Saul and his sons would die within 24 hours, and told Saul about the future.
Now Samuel isn't God.
How did he know Saul would die soon, and Israel would lose to the Philistines?
Unless God told him, he wouldn't have a clue.
Saul was able to contact him.
In a wrong way, but it was done. Samuel was dead and Saul spoke to him.
1Samuel 28:11-19

Plus, he died not for contacting Samuel, but for his disobedience.
---Natalie2 on 3/13/09


is there anyone still, who wants to ly about not praying to Mary.---Andy

No one isn't denying praying to her!
Your MISTAKE is that you are confusing 'PRAYING' with 'WORSHIPPING'.

Your only form of worship is praying.
'Praying' to us is a form of COMMUNCATION.

When you ask the Pastor to pray for you.(Every Protestants does!) Aren't you communcating to him to do something on your behalf to God? Why don't you ask God yourself?
You want others to do one thing, and excusing yourself of your own rule.

Have you ever said to Jesus, 'pray for me'?
You are speaking to God.
Why would I ask Mary to pray to God if I thought she was God?
Thats like telling President Obama to go to the President with your requests.
---Natalie2 on 3/13/09


Hail mary, full of grace
tthe Lord is with thee,and with the fruit of your womb.
blessed are thee above all women.

Mary pray for us poor sinners
NOW AND IN THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH AMEN.

is there anyone still, who wants to ly about not praying to Mary.

Once i was with a muslim, and in my supidity i said that they where prazying towards a blak stone in Mekka. the man ould not stop laughing.
another time i was in a catholic church people where kneeling before a statue and saying their prayers. asking them theyway tey prayed to a piece of stopne they anwerered that it was to GoD. all good atholis know the 10 ommandments yet they make and kneel before stone wooden and clay stues as if they dont
---Andy on 3/13/09


Natalie--
I agree, Mary and the thousands that followed Jesus, are presumably alive in Heaven.
But as far as her ability to affect anything on earth, I believe she is dead.
My own mother is dead. I miss her. I hope to see her again in Heaven. But the Bible gives me no reason to think she has any influence upon me other than what she said and did here on earth.
---Donna66 on 3/12/09


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Alan of Uk:-:"that IF the RCC puts Mary above or equal to Jesus,I think it is wrong"Agree, but tell me who are the ones who advocate that this? is it in Fact coming From the accuser and who are they.I am RCC have you ever heard me say this or any other RC on these posts.so who makes this assumption.That is all I have to say as an Rc.Drawing a concluson is like being false.If God can Honour His Hand maiden LK 1:23-30 should we as His followers also not give her the same honour, which is transalated by man as over worship.or bearing False witness.
---MIC on 3/12/09


Andy, the Pope is the High priest of the faith, placed by Jesus.
What does that have to do with your error in saying the Pope is infallible?
He is infallible only in Moral and Faith. Difference.

I can be an A student in Math.
But an F student in History.
Does that make me a A student?
No, only in Math. I need to study my History.

As for the 'Christian Cult' statement, you are not making any sense.

Catholics are the first and biggest Christains at all times and still is today.

Cult:
A cult may refer to a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding population considers to be outside the mainstream.

So, are you in the Cult or me?
---Natalie2 on 3/12/09


Paul2 That is what I thought!

But there are many non-Catholics here who will assure you that you DO put Mary as equal or above God, and that you DO pray to her, and that you worship the Rosary beads.

Strange that they know your practices and beliefs better than you do yourself!!
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/12/09


You pray to a dead woman to pray to Jesus? How sadly decieved you are.
---Marty on 3/12/09


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Alan we do not treat Mary equal to or superior to Christ. We only adore God. Period.

Rosary beads are used as a tool to count and that's all. Those who claim we "worship" the beads are showing how much they know about the RCC.

All prayers end up with "through our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen" because our prayers are directed to Him through Mary whom we ask to pray for us.
---Paul2 on 3/12/09


Betty:- "Each bead is a prayer but it dosent mean anything".Is that how you look at prayer?From your statement I see you know didilly about the Rosary.The rosary is a meditation - the life of Jesus from Birth to death. Now Betty do you still say we pray to beads or are you like a good christian woman since you offend God ask His forgiveness, after all 'you did bear False witness against Your neighbour'( this is a Commandment) and all who recite This efficacous Prayer.I have no axe to grind Betty so I say it out of concern for a good christian woman although I am that bad Catholic in your eyes.
---MIC on 3/12/09


Betty ... Are you RC.

What right have to to say that they pray to the beads?

That i think is a belief about the Catholics that you have "just picked up"
---alan8566_of_Uk on 3/12/09


Nathalie2, i admit catholicism is a Christian cult that originally was not bad, yet at the end went strongly in error. all admit that Yehowahwitnesses are a Christian cult nevertheless not agreeing with their false doctrines. we acknowledge the Ethiopic church as a vallid christian cult yet we will not adhere to their dualism. If catholics could only deny the closule upon the primatus of the Catholic Roman church andthe power of the pope to condemn anyone who is not bowing to the RCC to hell. we could actually accept them as our equals. And by the way you are strongly misstaken upon the infalibility of the pope. RCC has really made him pontifex rex (highpriest of the faith) a title and function only worthy for Jesus to wear (read HEBREWS)
---Andy on 3/12/09


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upon that the catholic church is nothing but a worldpower seeking org. that hides behind Christianity, and believe that i'm right when i say that if not moderb timles would forbid the RCC would easely and willingly return to their bloody practices. that have depopulated regions enslaved millions etc. all in the name of Jesus. it is the RCC that actually has given Christianity such a sinchy name that people in europe insult you just hearing you believe in Christ. Thank YOU RCC.
---Andy on 3/12/09


Bruce* Paragraph 2679: "Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father..."

Is this or is this not what the RCC says?

Why do you need for it to say we ask her to pray for us, when we know what it means.

Bruce* Mt 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest...

I can't find where Jesus says "Pray to Mary" anywhere in that Bible (in any translation of it.) But you're free to believe whatever you wish, Ruben.


And I can't find where Jesus says "Not to pray to Mary" anywhere in the Bible(in any translation of it.) But you are also free to believe whatever you wish!
---Ruben on 3/12/09


These beads each one has a prayer on it the cathloic pray every one of these beads ever day but it doesn' mean anthing we are suppose to pray to God not beads it's just something the cathloic pick up
---Bettty on 3/12/09


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