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Cloth On Women's Head

Does I Cor. 11:1-16 mean that women are to actually wear a cloth on her head? What does "because of the angels" mean? Is it only for married women?

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 ---Marietta on 10/23/06
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It's one of many passages that talk of the customs during that time. People need to understand that when Paul gave regulations and commandments some of them were based culturally. To prevent dissentions in the Churches Paul encouraged, no he commanded, for the cultural rules to be followed. If he said men , you can wear your hair long now and women you can be uncovered it would of gave Christianity a very bad name. It would of made Christianity a joke to many people.
---Matthew_from_LA on 10/3/07


1. Yes, it means that women SHOULD be veiled in public worship.

2. There ARE fallen angels, you know.

3. This has been argued since the days of Tertullian, at least, who wrote ON THE VEILING OF VIRGINS. He felt it was for ALL females.

However, there are more important issues.
---Jack on 10/2/07


Here is a delicate one, but it is indicative of what Muslims believe about women's hair.

My wife once worked with a Muslum from Egypt. In one of their woman-to-woman talks, the other revealed to my wife that she had to shave ALL her hair, except on her head because she believed the Qur'an told her to do so. She was a well-educated woman.
---John_T on 12/7/06


Mathew sup dude, haha
Ok well watch yourself, Muslims are called to kill infadels which include everyone else but them, there are alot of "lukewarm" muslims, especially in the US...
If you want to find refrences be my guest, if you dont believe me than please post and i will find for you ok
thank you
---mark on 12/7/06


Mary,
I find your comments disturbing, how can you believe muslims are so violent? Are the US soldiers in Iraq with flowers and chocolates, or guns and bombs? The iraqi's are being attacked in THEIR homeland, and not the other way around. The true christian recognizes righteousness. Are you US soldiers truly the righteous representatives of the message of Christ?
---Matthew on 12/7/06




You know I met a kind hearted muslim. He would give me and my children groceries on credit when we had no money to pay. I thank God for his kindness.

I have met many kind hearted people of all walks of life, but Jesus is the only way to heaven.
---chris on 12/3/06


Hi Lily; I don't mean to "throw stones" at muslims; it's just so hard to believe there's kind-hearted muslims when everyday you hear of another US soldier being killed by insurgents, who are radical muslims, I guess. But I guess you're right--good and bad among us all. God bless.
---Mary on 11/26/06


There are very good Muslims and very bad...just as christians or other groups. We all are the same with good and bad amongst us. I would love to see us all get to know the Muslims. I bet we will learn a lot from them, and them from us instead of throwing stones at them without knowing the truth. They are Gods creations too just as we are
---lily on 11/26/06


Jeanne--did you say the average muslim husband LOVES his wife? I didn't think they could love--only dominate. But some really do love? Cool! :)
---Mary on 11/25/06


I work w/many Muslims. They are very kind, gracious, sweet,laugh easy- treated me w/open arms & I am Amercian, female, a Jew by blood- Christian by faith all,the things "we" hear "they" hate. Yet I am treated like family! Remember the ones that are blowing up things, full of hate anger are fanatical Muslims. They are intelligent,beatiful women & their husbands are smart, handsome & love them dearly.The kids adorable just run up & kiss me.They always send me home w/tons of food!
---Jeanne on 11/25/06




WHAT?! You saying a woman with short hair won't have God's power? Just wondering what you meant; thanks :)
---Mary on 11/25/06


Betty...power?...in long hair...cute...don't know how true...but I won't test it!...mine is long foreva...Hair is "femininfluence" [feminine influence]...long hair is a representation of Inner Femininity...But...being feminine is not only about hair...women w/ short hair can be feminine...Femininity is the Special Force that we [women] are born with...rachel...
---Reiter on 11/25/06


When it is talking a viel Is Meaning your hair is Is your gloly jesus gives us power if we have uncut hair
---Betty on 11/25/06


sue. The Muslim holy books instruct them to kill any one who is trying to convert a Muslim. That all Christians and Jews are dogs and should be put to death. Only the terrorists are really following thier book. The rest of them, like many Christians, don't pay too much attention to thier book and don't cause a problem.
---john on 11/24/06


Lily you are a flower...your understanding of Muslim women is beautiful...Muslim Women are Models of Feminity...they do not need to mask their faces w/ make-up b/c they shine w/ inner beauty...they honor their bodies from head to toe w/ the protection of covering...they regard their husbands...when I see an Honorable Muslim Woman...I study her...rachel
---Reiter on 11/24/06


I think there are different types of Muslims as there are christians. Some Catholics fight against Protestants. Both Chrisitians but different branches. I think muslims are the same. Although i dont know if they have two Bibles.??
---Cindy on 11/24/06


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They all read the same book (the Koran).
---Helen_5378 on 11/23/06


Is it the Muslim faith in general that is violent? Or the terrorists? I know the terrorists are Muslim, but does that mean ALL Muslims are terrorists?
---sue on 11/23/06


Hi Lily; I'm curious, myself, about the women of the muslim faith. It's hard for me to believe that there is anything peaceful about them; are the women not as violent as the men, I assume? Do the women believe in countless murders like men seem to? I'm just honestly asking; thanks :)
---Mary on 11/23/06


lIKE the Muslim woman, I like covering my head in prayer. We western women need to get to know these beautiful Muslim women and their customs. They are so respectiful of their custom and duties as women of their culture. I adore their serene ways. I think they are very respective of their God Alah just as we are to Jehovah.
---Lily on 11/23/06


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Hair is More than Glory. It has sexual meaning...so in this sense...it is easy to see why women would Cover... Have you ever heard a man ask a women..."Why don't you ever let your hair down?"

~rachel~
---Reiter on 11/21/06


Your hair is your glory it's not talking about puting a veil on your hair
---Betty on 11/21/06


Right Shiela...wearing a cloth does NOT make a woman Holy...What's Inside matters More...rachel
---Reiter on 11/20/06


A good rule follower does not replace your relationship with Christ. Wearing a bulletproof vest will not quench any fiery darts of the wicked one; wearing "special" undergarments will not save your hide; and wearing a cloth on your head will not bring you holiness.
---Shiela on 11/20/06


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I spoke with a veiled Muslim Woman on the train, today. She told me that being clean on the inside is more important than wearing a veil and that some women will put on the veil but not be clean on the inside. She also told me that veiling was a choice; [she was not from the Stricticts religious family]. As much as I honor the veil, it is the Heart that matters most. It also matters that a woman veils/unveils on her own free will and according to her convictions.

~rachel~
---Reiter on 11/19/06


Here's a similar blog about women's heads being covered. If you follow one cultural custom of the day, you can't discount all the rest of them.
---Shiela on 11/18/06


Eloy...that is Just how it Feels to be Veiled...Holy, Honored, Respected, Covered [as a sign of Protection]...I think I'm done arguing with you [so much]...rachel
---Reiter on 11/16/06


All weaker vessels wear veils for a sign of honor given to them. When I see this I feel honored to be among these holy and beautiful women, for they each have chosen to separate themselves from the world and instead be joined to the Lord. If I were a weaker vessel I would be greatly honored to be veiled in the assembly. The angels in the passage refer to the holy spirits of God, and all the body coming together has respect and walks in the spirit of holiness, else offence happen and the holy will leave.
---Eloy on 11/16/06


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I don't think it applies today, but if you want to wear one I guess you could. Most of this passage is a cultural thing. not necissarily something that applies in every application. I think it is more likely meaning be modest in your dress.
---Jared on 11/15/06


Married or unmarried. The Bible does not give reason why angels but I have thought that women hair is glory of man and man is glory of God. If women have head covered then man's glory is covered so God's glory is more visible to the angels. Angels want to see God's glory not man's glory and angels apparently are witnesses of our worship. I frequently wear head covering although I may be the only woman among 300+
---Elaine on 11/15/06


I would never want to be without Hair, Betty. For symbolic protection, though, I prefer to not let me hair be loose and wild and seen by all men.

rachel
---Reiter on 11/14/06


We do not have to wear anything on our head Our hair is our covering
---Betty on 11/3/06


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thanks for Rachel's note. I appreciate her dignity and integrity of women towards men. when time changes, one has to change the life style. love human being i.e. the worship. so, finally forget about covering of face. people heart mentions what type of person he or she may be. simply, reading bilbe, kuran or hindu religious prayers are not to the mark. kanu parmar
---Kanubhai on 11/1/06


I really Love to have my head covered. It is a matter of choice [for me]. Yesterday, I spoke with a Muslim woman [after complimenting her veil] and she described a woman to be like a Pearl. The veil is her covering, the way the shell is an oyster's covering. It's a sign of protection, but it also signifies honor. The western misconception is that a veil is a form of oppression, but that judgement is made based on a lack of cultural understanding.

Rachel
---Reiter on 11/1/06


1 Corinthians 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious,we have no such custom,neither the churches of God. The whole Chapter 11 is talking about head coverings but the very last verse shows there is no such custom as covering the head. You are worrying about something that doesn't even exist,the order to cover the head wasn't a rule or custom.
---Darlene_1 on 10/27/06


Marietta, I'm just curious here but did you read my comment (third from bottom)? You asked about areas and I answered them from what is in the Bible. Thanks,
---mikefl on 10/26/06


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Sooooo, only Corinthian women were to cover their heads? Why is it even in the Bible? Doesn't it have something to do with the headship order, God, man, woman, children, and so on?
---Marietta on 10/26/06


Marietta, Paul was writing to the congregation at Corinth, his solution was addressed to a specific local problem unique to Corinth. As such is is not a general mandate to all women. And most definitely has no modern applicability.
---notlaw99 on 10/26/06


Notlaw99, I must disagree with you. I don't believe in taking verses out of the Bible and saying they are not for the modern day. I just can't justify that at all. God gave us the Bible as it is for a very good reason. To teach us His will.
---Marietta on 10/26/06


The practice of women covering their heads is address only to the Christian women of Corinth. Corinth was a wild open sailors town at that time and the action was to be able to radially distinguish Christian women from local prostitutes. It therefore has no modern applicability.
---notlaw99 on 10/25/06


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** Jack, should a woman be veiled only in public worship? **

This is the context that St. Paul wrote his words--the worship of the Church.

However, at this time, decent women kept their heads covered at all times they were in public.
---Jack on 10/24/06


Please explain verse 10. For this cause (what cause?)ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. Power on her head? What does that mean? and why does it say because of the angels? I do NOT believe it means fallen angels. Marietta
---Marietta on 10/24/06


Jack, should a woman be veiled only in public worship? Where does the Bible say that? If a woman is to be veiled, should she not be veiled all the time? What if she is inspired to worship in the middle of the day at work? I worship and talk to God frequently throughout the day. Should I be veiled? I want to do what God wants me to do.
---Marietta on 10/24/06


Their hair is their head covering now. However, I love to wear hats to church. It's fashionable and it's in keeping with the word. Today, a woman's hair is her covering.
---Donna9759 on 10/24/06


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Cultural manners and customs of the day. Why do men take their hats off in church? Veils symbolize subjection. It's your spiritual condition that matters. Traditions that bind do not indicate you have a relationship with Jesus Christ. The appearance of being a good 'rule' follower cannot replace your relationship with Christ.
---Shiela on 10/24/06


The verse is set in a specific cultural and situational context. The women of the church were rowdy and attracting attention. Paul desired them to recognise that they were in God's House, and should rather worship God.
---laure5759 on 10/23/06


PLEASE read through verse 16. The "covering" is a symbol of order from God. This was since the Garden. It is not demeaning, just as man is NOT to have long hair, woman is to have long hair. The original says "in place of a veil". Some discount part or all this chapter because of vs 16. I believe Paul's teachings are based on his place with Christ. The "angels" are messengers or pastors (see Strong's). It is for all women, unmarried are Christ's, married are a husband's.
---mikefl on 10/23/06


Be veiled in Christ. Legalism dampened many a searching person,
---Lynn on 10/23/06


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