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Disciples Received The Holy Spirit

In John 20:22 Jesus speaks to the disciples and the Bible says," And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, RECIEVE YE THE HOLY GHOST:" question; did the disciples received the Holy Ghost at this time or on the day of Pentecost in the upper room?

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Both times. The first time was after the Passover, after Jesus' resurrection and before his ascension. And the second time was the Pentecost. The word comes from the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon believers 50 days (Pente) after the Passover, or the seven sevens after the Resurrection day. While Jesus was ministering he sent them out two by two and they did supernatural works by the Word, and after Jesus made the legal payment for sin he gave them the Spirit to discern righteous judgment to either held people accountable or else forgive their sins. Then at Pentecost they were given the fullness of the Spirit to do all the work as Jesus did when he walked with them on the earth. Now they could do All things through the Spirit of Christ.
---Eloy on 8/4/10


//the disciples received the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them...// -barb

I didn't know that. scripture please.

//The apostles taught by Jesus left us no account re the Pentecost as recorded in Acts// -barb

Luke, who was an eye witness of Jesus, wrote two letters to Theophilus. One was the Gospel of Luke and one was the book of Acts. Luke was also a traveling companion of Paul. Therefore, Luke was a witness to Paul and his experiences.
---aka.joseph on 8/3/10


Bruce, the disciples received the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them. The gospel of John was written by the apostle John as you know but do realize that John was an eyewitness for Jesus? He was with Him throughout his ministry and was taught by the Son of God and Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would bring all things to the disciples remembrance. John 14:26.

Paul was not an eyewitness of Jesus. The apostles taught by Jesus left us no account re the Pentecost as recorded in Acts therefore I will take the word of the eyewitness that the Holy Spirit was given to them by Jesus on the first day of the week upon His resurrection.
---barb on 9/29/09


I can not fined the answer to my question
---herry on 9/29/09


Grace is Jesus giving you another day to come to repentance,to believe on his name, to have faith in him, to get baptized of the water and the spirit,to stop sinning and obey his word.
Jesus is coming back for his church. Every second is of everyday is the grace of God. For when he dose come back the church will be gone. And those people that are left behind will suffer, because if you deny Christ you will take the mark of the beast. If you don't you don't deny Christ you will be killed.
GRACE.....
---batieste on 4/2/09




MIC
There is a great difference in being saved by good works and doing good works as one who is saved.

A dog is not a dog because it barks.
A dog barks because it that is what dogs do.

We are not saved because we do good works.
We do good works because we are saved.
---bruce5656 on 4/1/09


Bruce:Jesus words "What so ever you do to the least of these my Brethren you do it to me"What is it we do, Belief grace or works.Jesus said "Follow me"what did Jesus do on this earth, was it not works?Was Jesus death on the cross Not a work of sacrifice or was it belief? We preach about salvation by grace -How do we acquire this grace?we can't see it, feel it, or experience it, so to all intents and purposes it may escape us and we are not aware.But yet it exista b/c God says so and he dispenses them, question is to who those who sit and wait Believing? or those who toil in His vineyard.and get the same reward.The greatest saints are those who showed their love by works as did Jesus to The Father.
---MIC on 3/31/09


Mima,
Thanks,
Now that I see they will post a series of posts, (even though I messed up the numbering on the All the counsel 1-3 with two #2s) I may try to post the rest of the grace ones again.
---bruce5656 on 3/31/09


---bruce5656 post on Grace is very refreshing. True and very definitive, works are exactly what they imply works which are the effort of men, do not avail with God!!! As regards our salvation.
---mima on 3/31/09


Batieste,
Clearly, they have no interest in allowing a multi-part post in order to allow for any kind of detailed explaination. If you wish to discuss this further, please send me a private message through the Christianet message system.

God bless.
---bruce5656 on 3/31/09




All the counsel Part 1
Batieste,

I would encourage you to remember what Paul said in Acts 20:27, "For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God."

There are any number of verses which when taken alone, or perhaps even when put together with some other verses, can be made to teach just about anything. When Paul talks about "all the counsel of God" I believe he meant that you need to take the scripture as a whole. Not a few verses to make a point. They must be taken in context and context is more than the immediate sentence. It is the whole teaching of the Bible. It all has to fit together.
---bruce5656 on 3/30/09


All the counsel Part 2
Batieste,

Consider
Acts 16:31, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.." and

John 3:36, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life..." and

John 3:16, "whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

These (which make no mention of baptism) have to be accepted as having as much authority as

Mark 16:16, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.
---bruce5656 on 3/30/09


All the counsel Part 2

If baptism were essential to salvation, then Acts 16:31, John 3:16, 36 would be untrue.

The whole book of Galations is about how we cannot do anything to make our salvation happen or contribute to it in any way.

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Mark 16:16, Needs to be understood in the light of "the whole counsel of God."
---bruce5656 on 3/30/09


Works or Grace PART 1.

I am going to try this one more time hopefully the posts will all be put up for you to read.
-batieste,

"why would I do all that stuff if I were already going to heaven?"

We are not/cannot be saved by what we do.

God gave Abraham instructions as to what to do and where to go. Abraham was faithful to obey and do as he was instructed. A critical matter of obedience for Abraham was circumcision. Gen17:11 BUT He was not saved because of his obedience. Romans 4:1-6 if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
---bruce5656 on 3/30/09


Batieste,

My attempt at sending a multi part explanation here seems to have failed miserably. At one time you could do that but things are not the same here as they once were.

I would like to send you the complete text of my answer to your question. I encourage you to send me a personal message here to bruce5656 (you would have to register with the christianet site and receive an user ID if you have not already but that is free)
---bruce5656 on 3/30/09


bruce it is true that you can recieve the holy spirit befoe you get baptised. i know people that have got it that way. I also know people that came out of the water speaking in tongues..they had strong faith and beieved and trusted in god.
you said that we dont need to be baptised or have the holy ghost for salvation.
every place I look its comanded that we do(ACTS10:48)and he comanded them to be baptised the name of the lord.
a comand dosnt give you options,We should obey that one verse alone. but I have more.I read what you wrote, thats wear i got act10:48.
you need to hear the word, then believe, have faith,then obey, baptise in water and in the spirit. it say it clearly.
---batieste on 3/30/09


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Romans 6:23, "the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
BRUCE the scriptures YOU just gave me. Here are some of them.
you prove your FAITH when you speak in tongues, recieve the holy ghost.we are saved because of GODS grace- because he loves us, he came in the flesh so that we may be with him in heaven... thats grace...
IF you arnt saved your works mean nothing and good works cant get you to heaven.
---batieste on 3/30/09


PART 7.
So you see, Batieste, there is a distinction between the receiving of the Holy Spirit at conversion and the Baptism in the Holy Spirit subsequent to conversion.

The first is for salvation Rom 8:9, and the second is for empowerment to witness. Acts 1:8
---bruce5656 on 3/27/09


PART 6.
Saul, in Acts ch 9 was converted and sometime later (3 days and probably more), baptized in water and received the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

In Acts 10, we have the only recorded instance of the receiving the Baptism in the Holy Spirit before water baptism. In this case it was immediate as they believed unto salvation.

In Acts 19, we are specifically told that there were believers/disciples in Ephesus who had been converted but had never even been instructed as to the nature or importance of Christian baptism in water or the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. Following Pauls instruction to these believers, they were baptized in water and in the Holy Spirit.
---bruce5656 on 3/27/09


PART 3.
Romans 6:23, "the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

To repeat what Paul said in Romans, "to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him his faith is counted for righteousness"

This is true of any good work or religious observance. If it were any other way, salvation would not be a gift. A gift is freely given, unearned. Otherwise it is a reward (wage) not a gift.
---bruce5656 on 3/27/09


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bruce, correct me if I didnt understand you correctly,
you said that you are saved before you are baptised of the water and of the spirit.
If i understood you correctly, why do we need to be baptised if we are already saved? saved means that my name is written in the book of life and I have enternal life with the creator. why would I do all that stuff if I were already going to heaven?
---batieste on 3/27/09


To bloggers on this question,
Do you believe that Mary the mother of Jesus spoke in tongues? Please give your opinion.
---mima on 3/27/09


Batieste,
I am born again and Heaven bound but not because I was baptized in water (which I was) or Baptized in the Holy Spirit (which I was) or because I pray in tongues (which I do).

In the NT, people were saved, and then baptized. Sometimes in water first, sometimes in the Holy Spirit first. The only candidate for either baptism is a blood washed, born again, bound for Heaven individual.

John 3 simply states that there are two births, natural (in a sac of water) and spiritual. If you only have a natural birth you will not go to Heaven. You must be "born from above" (litteral trans).
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
---bruce5656 on 3/26/09


continued You must humble yourself, and remeber that having his spirit and salvation was promised to you. so go ahead and thank him, praise him for what he's going do for you.
god dwells in the mist of praise.
The holy ghost isnt just speaking in tongues, its gods seal on you, its your proof that you belong to god.
And when someone rises up and say that god dosnt exist, your proof is the holy ghost. And that means jesus did rise on the third day, and that jesus the creator dose liveth.
You will get it Bruce, Its promised to you. God is faithful to all that obey his word.
I'm counting on his word, All my faith is in him and on him..
---batieste on 3/26/09


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bruce.... you only need to be baptised once in jesus name.
It dosnt matter how long between being water baptised and spirit baptised as long as you do it, and recieve it before you die.
Everyone is different on recieving the Holy spirit becuase every individual's strenght of faith is differnt.
I have to admit that I was scared and nervous before I recieved it. I prayed to recieved it just like the apostles did..and it happened that way. I heard a mighty wind pass over me twice...
what happen if you die before you do it?(john3:3) you must be born of the water and the spirit before you can enter heaven.continued
---batieste on 3/26/09


Batieste,

What if it takes a long time between being baptized in water and baptized in the Holy Spirit or the other way around? How long is too long? A day, a week, a month, a year etc? What happens if a person dies in the meantime?
---bruce5656 on 3/25/09


.Batieste,
I am refering to the times in the book of Acts where people were bapitzed in water before they had beem baptized in the Holy Ghost. Why do you suppose the disciples would do that if they were not, as you say, did not belong to Jesus?
---bruce5656 on 3/24/09


Interestingly Cornealius was water Baptized after He received the Holy Spirit Baptism.

Water Baptism is a outward profession of an inward possession!

Now John's Baptism was all together different...they were water baptized to enter the Earthly Kingdom...placed on Hold. Those Paul ran into in Acts, were certainly baptized with John's Baptism but never even heard of Jesus Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Paul had to explain the differences.
---kathr4453 on 3/25/09


bruce, JOHN3:3 jesus says you must be born of the water and of the spirit to enter heaven.
It dosnt matter what order you do it in, as long as you get it done.
jesus said that, I didnt. the apostles did it. now all of a studden everyone thinks they are better than the apodtles now, and jesus is going to ignore his word become a liar for people that cant obey...not!!
God cant lie, hes faithful to his word. I'm counting on him being faithful becuase he promised eternal life if i obey.
Here are some examples of who god is. noah's ark, god flooded the earth. babies,,mothers, teenagers,fathers, grandparents all parished. sodom and gomora god destroied a city. god dosnt play games. He serious about this.


---batieste on 3/25/09


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You cannot have it both ways.

Not baptized in water = not saved
Not baptized in the Holy Spirit = not saved

If this is true then those who were baptized in the Holy Spirit before they were baptized in water (Acts 11) were, even though having been baptized in water, yet unsaved until they were baptized in water.

Or those who were baptized in water before they were (quite a while later: Acts 8) baptized in the Holy Spirit were yet unsaved until they were baptized in the Holy Spirit
---bruce5656 on 3/24/09


bruce let see...The word of god applys to everyone. In the begining was the word and the word was god and it was with god. If you arent heaven bound then you dont belong to jesus. jesus said (mark16:16-17) He that beliveth and is baptised shall be saved ect.. that applys to everyone. apostles also. and they were rewarded for being obident.
bruce I understand your question. but like mary the of jesus, she spoke in tongues also (acts2). why would they do something that they didnt have to do? they needed to be born again to enter heaven(john3:3.
I bet you think they had a free pass to do whatever they wanted and still have salvation. they had to obey jesus and so do we, NOTHING HAS CHANGED
---batieste on 3/24/09


.Batieste,
I am refering to the times in the book of Acts where people were bapitzed in water before they had beem baptized in the Holy Ghost. Why do you suppose the disciples would do that if they were not, as you say, did not belong to Jesus?
---bruce5656 on 3/24/09


bruce, the deciples had met the covenat requirments before jesus was gorilfied. after he rose on the third day there was a new covenant. being baptist in jesus name,recieving the holy ghost(speaking in tongues)having faith,beliiving that jesus is god with us.
you have to understand the TIMELINE... its important. people are confused about that. jesus comanded them to wait for the power from on high so the could be filled with the holy ghost.
false christians fight the holy spirit. why?
satan rises up in them. satan knows the truth, how to get to heaven.
bruce let me ask you, why would someone reject a gift from the the most holiest being? And say that they didnt need it? isnt that a insult? bruce?
---batieste on 3/23/09


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batieste,
"until you speak in tongues you do not belong to jesus."

Why do you think the disciples would baptise people upon whom the Holy Spirit "had not yet fallen" ie (by your reasoning) "did not belong to Jesus"?
---bruce5656 on 3/20/09


Steveng,
Got any proof of those 'few Christians' who are unlike "Most Christians" and of their miracles "greater than" those of Jesus? Are you one of the few?
batieste,
You said, "until you speak in tongues you do not belong to jesus."
Could you please read 1 Corinthians 12? Clearly I understand that it speaks otherwise than what you said. Hopefully you will not "get afended".
---Nana on 3/19/09


stevng.. most people get afended when you tell them the truth. Most christians put themselves in heaven on there own. Meaning, that most christians arnt christians, so every christian dosnt have the holy ghost. until you speak in tongues you do not belong to jesus. people think when they repeat a verse they are saved.. NOT TRUE. I will prove it with scripture continued
---batieste on 3/18/09


conitined Acts 19:2-6 (King James Version)

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them, and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
---batieste on 3/18/09


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It's too bad that Christians only stop at getting baptised in the name of Jesus, being baptised by John's baptism. Most Christians only know part of the truth, but what is God's perfect truth. It is to be baptised in the Holy Spirit and by fire. This is where Christians who are baptised with the Holy Spirit and go out and perform miracles greater than Jesus. If you believe that every Christian is baptised with the Holy Spirit, why do we not see Christians performing miracles greater than Jesus every day? Most Christian believe that today's medical miracles are from God. It is not. It is man's creation. Would God create a pill with adverse side effects? Most Christians today depend more upon man's creation than faith in God.
---Steveng on 3/17/09


Luke 24:49 (New International Version)
49I am going to send you what my Father has promised, but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."


John 16:7 (King James Version)

7Nevertheless I tell you the truth, It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

its seems pretty clear to me that they recieved on the day of pentecost. jesus said that the holy ghost would not come until he left.
---batieste on 3/17/09


It had to be right there. And it was because of the work that Jesus' deciples were going to do. There were other reasons: To work faith in them, and give them courage. [ now a days in us, too]. Jesus showed His disciples His scared hands and side, and even today Jesus will for some, reveal Himself in His resurrected body....Those whom the gospel acquits shall be acquitted, and those whom the gospel condemns shall be condemned. Also, this breathe on you the Holy Ghost would give His preachers authority to go out and preach. Cops are not the only ones who has authority on this earth, although they act as if they are the only ones. So, the next time God's preachers are slapped with handcuffs, be happy that you won't go where they are going to go.
---catherine on 3/16/09


This is an excellent theological question for us young biblical scholars to discuss.

I have a question that I'd like to ask:

Was Luke called and/or Baptised by Jesus Christ in the Holy Spirit?
a. I know he was Paul's friend (Acts)

However, just because he was a "friend of Pauls" doesn't mean he was called by Christ.

I ask this question because his letter has become two of the highest authorities that we have in the Word of God Today. Luke has a Gospel and Acts, yet we know very little about him.
---Sister_Monique on 3/15/09


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The baptism spoken of by the Holy Spirit by Jesus is not the example many folks are implying. No where did Jesus nor any apostles ever taught us that the sign of"in dwelling" of the Holy Spirit comes after or long after Baptism of water accompanied by "speaking in tongues" done by faith through the name of Jesus. It is when we believe and because of that faith that we are baptized that we receive the promised Holy Spirit.
It is only through the twisting of scriptures can one draw any other truth, which is no truth at all. those who teach are otherwise are not truly seeking the TRUTH but seeking to make their "emotions" truth over God's word.
---Asterickstar on 1/26/09


PART ONE:
The word used for "breathed" appears only once in the NT. It is the same word the translators of the LXX used for Gen 2:7 when God "breathed" life into Adam.

There is no reason to not accept that it is the first time the Holy Spirit was given to men to indwell them.

We know that one is not a Christian if the Holy Spirit does not live in them. Rom 8:9
---Bruce5656 on 5/30/08


PART TWO:
There are several examples of people being saved and embraced by the Church as fellow Christians (as evidenced by the way they were addressed or by being baptized in water) before they received the baptism in the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:12-15, 9:17, 19:1-6 etc.
---Bruce5656 on 6/19/07


The Spirit came to the disciples in the upper room (see Acts 2), but in John what we witness is an enacted parable - something Elijah, other prophets and Jesus used a lot. Enacted parable! Yours, Brother Tadhg
---Brother_Tadhg on 12/23/06


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The answer is both. The disciples received the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them, but that was only the initial sealing of the Spirit because they were already saved. The baptism in the Holy Spirit was after the upper room prayer meeting. That is when they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
---Helen_5378 on 11/25/06


A close study of the answer given by Darlene points to the question of whether a person can have the Holy Spirit, but not have the power to be a witness.
---mima on 11/24/06


If you BELEIVE the BIBLE to be the WORD of GOD...then you must beleive they received the HOLY SPIRIT when JESUS breathed on them....JESUS is LORD!!
---JIM on 10/27/06


This is certainly an annointing of some kind to those whom the Lord breathed upon. This was an act of blessing them and sending them out into the world with the gospel. These blessed disciples received the ability to forgive and retain sins upon individuals they met. It is quite possible they have something to do with the 'first fruits,' that is mentioned regularly in the bible.
---Ryan on 10/26/06


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**Luke was not even a Christian yet.**

Where did you get the idea that Luke was not a Christian yet?

He and Cleopas were the two disciples who met the risen Jesus on the way to Emmaus.
---Jack on 10/26/06


John's accounts will diverge from that of the synoptic gospels. A lot depends on who was in the room at the time. Matthew definitely was present. Mark was a boy of 14 and Luke was not even a Christian yet. I would tend to go with John's account at this point as being the more probable.
---Phil_the_Elder on 10/26/06


The diciples only received the dispensation/promise of God of the Holy Ghost when Christ breathed on them. If had received the HG then there wouldn't have been any need for Christ to tell them to tarry,in Jerusalem , until they were Baptised with the Holy Ghost and endued with power from on high Luke 24:49 tells; Jesus; I send the promise of my Father upon you,-tarry until ye be endued with power from on high. None of them received until they all did in the group of men and women in Acts 2:1-4.
---Darlene_1 on 10/26/06


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