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Christians Can't Sin

How do you think I Timothy 3 speaks to the "Christians cannot sin" philosophy? If Christians cannot sin, why was it necessary to outline the qualifications for leadership like he did. Why not simply say that to be a leader you must be a Christian?

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Those who are born again can sin, however their sin is not unto death. When the Son of man came the first time he said "physician(believer) heal thyself".
---duke on 12/16/07


A Christian CAN sin, because aren't we still humans, frail and weak? However CAN is not the same as WILL. Every Christian has sinned after becoming a Christian. However, a Christian, only by the power of the Holy Spirit, can come to a place of complete obedience and live above sin from that time on till death, or at least for an extended period of time. It is not true that EVERYONE sins daily.

(Warning, Bruce: you are about to spark the fury of Eloy and the counsel (more gentle) of Morgan.)
---Okebaram on 10/20/07


OH YES....While still living in this body...we do sin. But we want to sin less. Our desire and goal is to honor Christ in our daily life but we won't be sinless until we are "changed in the twinkling of an eye"
I John 1:9
---eloia on 4/20/07


laure5759 , Yes, My penpal is: narke4934
Hope to hear from you soon! God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/9/06


Oh, and How! I've heard so many people say 'yes, no, maybe' - and I'm sitting here saying 'Yes, and no, NO maybe!'. God isn't that obscure, no! Either it is, or it isn't.

btw - are you on penpal chat?
---laure5759 on 11/8/06




laure5759, Man does make a mess of things, but thank God that He is willing to help us understand His Word(only with His godly reasoning). God's Truth is really simple, with no grey area's. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/8/06


Mrs M - I thoroughly agree with all you say. And with the questions you ask. I think that the reason we discuss sin is because it is not always correctly understood. I like to believe that at least some of the questions on these blogs are asked by new Christians, who need answers to stuff they don't understand, and then something like this comes up. Perfectly normal. And yes, certainly, we do like to complicate things.
---laure5759 on 11/8/06


(VI.)Many want to make excuses and foolish doctrines for themselves, but the simple fact is that they fail to yield to the Spirit(Romans 1:20)(Matt 7:23).We are not to give place to the devil and excuses,it's just wrong. God let me know that EXCUSES are unfruitful(judgment day will be full of excuses, of why people didn't and "couldn't" obey God,and God don't accept it now, and He wont accept it then).Faith without godly works(godly OBEDIENCE)is DEAD(James 2:20). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/8/06


(V.)laure5759,The Word states that God has the power to keep us from falling, if we yield to Him. Laure, just abide in God's Truth, don't let yourself be OUT OF IT, and you will be fine. Christian's must not worry about sin(Philippians 4:6), that's a waste of time, it's the Spirit that works with you, and In you that takes care of that, as we YIELD. Most Christian's complicate God's Pure and simple Truth( Galatians 2:21).
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/8/06


(IV.)laure5759,Some say they can be saved by works alone, they leave out the divine Blood of Jesus(the saving power that is connected with It). God said by grace ye are saved, not works lest any man should boast. Salvation is a gift from God, and can only come by the divine Blood of Jesus. The Blood of Jesus REJECT'S willful sin(Hebrews 10:26), and the person must bring forth true godly repentance, or else their soul will be in jeopardy.
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/8/06




(I.)laure5759, I have been on this blog for over 5 months, I post what the Spirit wants me to post, most don't like it, that is not my fault. I don't believe in diluting God's Word, to please others,I just won't do it. Someone said yesterday that one can sin and still be holy, that is a lie of the devil(1 John 3:8).
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/8/06


(II.)Jesus came to bring people out of sin, to godly repentance not deceit(1 John 5-10). I John goes against Christian's being in denial about sin, but ironically Many Christian's use 1 John just for that! They twist It to the point that they distort the whole meaning, the context, but not all Christian's chose to do that! Christian's should not look like, sound like, or be reasoning like the devil , period(1 Thess. 5:22)(Ephesians 5:6-17)(Romans 6:12-23).
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/8/06


(III.)laure5759, The Word of God must be discerned with the direction of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit says sin and saved don't mix. Some follow the doctrine of the Nicolaitans: which is that a Christian can sin in their body but not their Spirit, Jesus said that He DESPISES that doctrine. A person wrote that people were basically talking in circles and she felt "embarrassed for them", Why can't people just obey God, and stop trying to find a loop hole out of that?
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/8/06


Mrs Morgan - I think that I, and many others here, would have appreciated it far more if you had said what you have said in the last entries a lot sooner. We find what you say unrealistic at times, because, although what you say is correct, it does not, to us, take into account the reality in which we live. And here we are dealing with reality.
---laure5759 on 11/7/06


laure5759 , Yes, God honors godly repentance with the INTENTION of not doing that sin again. God don't keep tabs on how many times we have failed Him in the PAST , it's all about moving foward running and finishing the RACE (Heb. 12:1), in which we are not able to run without Jesus! See you at the FINISH LINE! God Bless You, laure5759!
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/7/06


He said that we must forgive our brother who sins against us "up to seventy times" (Matt. 18:21), not just seven times. And who is our 'brother'? Our 'brother' can be either a fellow-Christian, or a non-believer. The parable of the Unforgiving Servant talks of a Servant who is under a Master - my understanding is that this means a Christian for whom God is Master. The underlying principle necessitates that the servant himself needs forgiveness from his Master. This means that the servant sins.
---laure5759 on 11/6/06


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PART ONE
Mrs Morgan - What you say is true - I don't think that I was ever arguing about it - IF you would read what I say! However, what I AM saying is that, if we only need forgiveness once in our lives (which, by the way, is what you are promoting), why did Jesus teach repeated forgiving.
---laure5759 on 11/6/06


(II.)laure, In regard to God's redeemed, they have life because they yield to the Spirit(so their bodies are "dead to sin" or dead because of sin) meaning that they don't "give over to the flesh", they don't RESPOND to it. We have a CHOICE daily if we are going to yield to the flesh(which is death) or yield to the Spirit(which is life), Jesus can only live through us if we yield to the Holy Spirit, this is what it means to be IN Christ. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/6/06


My understanding is that, so long as I still live and walk on this earth, I necessarily am bound to this body of flesh. Jesus tells us that we must take up our cross DAILY and follow Him. To me this means that, unless we start our day with Jesus, and walk each step of the way with Him, we are in the world, and in the flesh. It is IMPOSSIBLE, while we are here on earth, to be PERMANENTLY in the Spirit. We sin. I sin. You sin. If you say you do not, you make God out to be a liar.
---laure5759 on 11/6/06


laure, You seem to have misunderstood the true meaning of Romans 8:10. "If Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin..." laure, "the body" represents "being in the flesh, verses 9, proves that" , (Romans 8:9)"...But ye are not in the flesh...". In (Romans 8:10),Paul was speaking ONLY to those who are not "walking in/after the flesh" but in/after the "SPIRIT"(Walking in the Spirit). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/6/06


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Mrs Morgan, you twist people's words in ways they were never meant to be said! if only you would just read what was said! Is Church a haven for saints, or a harbour for sinners to run to? The reason a sinner finds harbour in a church is when that church is real enough to the world to understand what sin is, and how to help the sinner. I did not say every Christian necessarily MUST sin, but I have yet to meet one that does NOT!
---laure5759 on 11/5/06


(I.)laure5759 ,The Word of God must be taken as a "WHOLE"(2 Peter 1:20), and must be discerned only with the direction of the Holy Spirit. laure5759, If what you are saying is correct then the Bible is contradicting Itself(1 John 3:9,10), but It isn't, man is the one who contradicts himself. "Free-will" still exists AFTER salvation(many want to refute this), and Christian's must chose if they will be led of the flesh, or the Spirit(Romans 8:14).
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/5/06


(II.)God provides His people with power (Luke 10:19)through His Son's divine Blood (Rev. 12:11)to RESIST the devil(James 4:7-10),the flesh,but as usual man makes excuses not to do so, nothing new(Romans 1:18-22)(Matt 7:21-23).People must CHECK the doctrine that they are following,Many ministers are not teaching SOUND doctrine.I don't endorse any minister's doctrine unless I am willing to lay my life down for It(the uncompromised gospel of Christ).God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/5/06


(Ephesians 5:6-17)
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/5/06


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laure5759,You say you sin everyday,so every Christian must to?GOD FORDID!(Rom.6:1,2)(1 John 3:8),Speak for yourself!Do you HAVE TO sin everyday?God don't call His people to walk in bondage, darkness,Jesus came to bring people "OUT OF" darkness,out of bondage, so that they can live a victorious life THOUGH HIM(John 10:10).Many attempt to "mold the Word according to their lifestyle" and "BAD CHOICES", but the Word of God must MOLD US.
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/5/06


Mrs Morgan, if Paul was speaking of his past, then you write off about 80% of the NT. No! in 1 Tim 1:15 Paul uses the phrase, 'I am' meaning that, in the present tense, he is a sinner, and the worst of them, although NOT BOUND by sin.

I believe that we cannot ignore Romans 8:10, which talks about the Christian's state AFTER conversion. We have the ability to sin - and definitely do every day. To say otherwise is to make God out to be a liar. I am not prepared to do that at the cost of my life.
---laure5759 on 11/4/06


laure5759 , Paul was speaking of his PAST.
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/2/06


PART ONE

If you read Romans 3:21-31, the message is clear. None of us are righteous, none of us are sinless. Only THROUGH JESUS CHRIST can we be made righteous.

Who are we to put ourselves above even Paul, who said, AFTER HIS CONVERSION:

1 Tim 1:15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners - of whom I am the worst.
---laure5759 on 11/2/06


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PART TWO
And if we read Romans 8:10, Paul says that "if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness."

We still struggle with sin every day because our body is made of flesh, and is in sin, even while our spirit is alive in Christ.
---laure5759 on 11/2/06


emcee and Linda, I appreciate your concern, but I understand the Fathers love very well, I am Saved and going to Heaven.
Peace be with you
---Kent on 11/1/06


Kent::You may be right He wants your love try it, it may surprise you & many others.There's many a truth spoken in Jest.
---Emcee on 11/1/06


Kent, if you knew and understood the person of Christ and the provision of the cross, you would already know that the Father is pleased with you and the true light is already shining. If you knew what was true of you because of Him, sin wouldn't be an issue. It isn't with God. The hanging of one man satisfied His judgment.
---Linda6563 on 11/1/06


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I wish I lived in EMcee's world. I would be so pleasing to the father I would never sin and the Light would shine on me constantly.
Peace be with you.
---Kent on 11/1/06


Herb,
The problem with your saved soul - unsaved body, soul dosen't sin - body does theory is that Jesus said Matthew 12:34, "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." In other words, sin does not originate in the "body" it originates in the inner man - the heart.
---Bruce5656 on 10/31/06


of course Christians can sin and all do but we have an advocate with the Father and when wevrepent we are forgiven again again and again perfection is not possible for us this side of eternituy that is not an excuse to sin as we should be aiming for perfection at all times
---doree4573 on 10/31/06


Rev Herb::Since birth your soul & body are one.(integral) "as you have lived so shall you reap"The actions of your body are reflected on the purity of your soul which is entrusted to you to return to your Maker as he presented it to You. You are obliged to return it in the same condition.You are Not saved.no one is do not presume Almighty God.The true love of Jesus for Humanity must be exercised & given back to him.Your body will decay, as it is a temporary shell. Yes it is no laughing matter.
---Emcee on 10/31/06


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Emcee, It is no laughing matter. My soul is saved, not my body, that does not make it ok for me to sin. Are you telling me you do not sin, that your body is saved?

1Jo1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
---Rev_Herb on 10/31/06


Chris, the minister may have been coming from past experience. Some singles go to church to find a mate. They're not there to listen, just examine the merchandise. Wives get upset. In my church, they have a womens' prison ministry. Families take former inmates in their homes after release. It has caused an uproar. Some are so lustful they just sit and stare at the men. It's a real fine line, trying to help them merge back into the world. Keeping order in the church is a hard job for a pastor.
---Shiela on 10/30/06


"Many have misinterpreted "Adultery of the Heart" so many Christian's walk around thinking they have sinned,they just looked at a person found them attractive but would never sleep with them!(God knows our motives)..."

Ms_Morgan, that is so true. I looked at a man in church and asked a minister about him and the next thing you know the woman thought I was trying to lead him astray and get him in the bed. She was so wrong.
---Chris on 10/29/06


The young man had been showing interest in me. So I was kind of wondering if he could be the mate for me. I shared this with the minister because I was seeking counseling. What I received was false judgemnt. Her reaction made me wonder if maybe I was a lustful harlot. lol But thank God that he knew better.
---Chris on 10/29/06


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(I.)Chris, I'm sure that everyone will agree that not every thought that comes to a Christian's mind is good. God will only hold a person accountable for what is in their heart. Whatever thought that one agree's with, "embraces" is considered from the heart. Many have misinterpreted "Adultery of the Heart" so many Christian's walk around thinking they have sinned,they just looked at a person found them attractive but would never sleep with them!(God knows our motives)...
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/29/06


(II.)It isn't wise to give attention to thoughts that are not of God, you just dismiss them, and move on. The devil will try "every trick in the book" to rob a Christian of their peace of mind, and he uses what worries a person the most , The Word teaches us to take on "the mind of Christ"(Philippians 2:5)...
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/29/06


(III.) ....and think on good things(Philippians 4:8)(Ephesians 5:19) , don't let the devil bother you! Christians should not be listening to ungodly music, watching ungodly shows, this will "affect the mind"(which is like a sponge) it will also affect ones holy anointings from the Lord. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/29/06


Gal. 5: 19-22 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife..."

Have you ever been angry? Anger is "wrath" & "strife". If you have ever been angry just once in your life, you have sinned & have come short of the glory of God.
---Candy on 10/29/06


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In our sinful ways, we need to be reminded always. We sometimes in our humanways, prefer our own ways and not of God's. We compromise God's teachings. We reject what we dont like instead of having faith and do it God's way. This is why 1Tim3 was given to those who are church Leaders and Helpers to show them what is required of them should they take it up. I think its a good advice.
---mmadm on 10/29/06


I have heard a minister say that he lives a sin free life. He told the congregation "Don't let anyone tell you, you can't live a sin free life". The person said "you don't sin with your thought's you sin with your heart, as long as it is not in you heart it is not sin." He said "if a person is running around saying they can't live sin free and they claim to be christian, watch out because they are covering up all kinds of sin."
---Chris on 10/29/06


I thought about it. Later I ran across a scripture in the Bible.

Proverbs 24:9 " The thought of foolishness is sin: and the scorner is an abomination to men."
---Chris on 10/29/06


(1.)Candy, That Scripture is taken out of context often. That Scripture pertains to the past , BEFORE Salvation. When taken out of context(misapplied) that Scripture would conflict with (1 John 3:9,10) . When one is walking in the Spirit, they will not sin, they yield to the Holy Spirit, not temptation. Many misapply (Romans 3:23) for various reasonings, some because they were taught wrong, other's because they want an excuse for sinning, endulging in things of the flesh...
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


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Candy,(2.)...any way you look at it, it's ungodly reasoning. There is a false doctrine that states a Christian can sin "in the flesh" but not "in the Spirit", avoid those who speak this, they are not from God, period. Yes,Christian's can sin, but do they have to? Isn't there a solution? A way that we can resist temptation? YES! Jesus is the answer. Many Christian's do stumble, but eventually they wax strong in the Lord, learn to walk in the Spirit, now that's biblical!
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


Candy,(3.)Most ministers just dont talk about Gods overcoming power that is offered to Christians, because they are not using It, because they deny it exist so their congregation assumes that they must continually fail too, continually sin. The Word says, I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me! Godly reasoning is SO important, the mind of Christ is a must! God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. If a peson says that he has not sinned, "He is a liar, and the Truth is not in him. We are all sinners, saved by the Grace of God.
---stephanie on 10/28/06


Rev Herb::So your soul is saved & your body continues to sin but thats ok! so, are you living or dead? because that is what happens when Soul & body get detached.You sound like Heckle & Jeckle& thanks for the laugh.
---Emcee on 10/28/06


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My Bible says:

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

How many Christians are sinners? ALL of us.
---Candy on 10/28/06


We are human therefore we sin. In order to be christians we would not want to do the former fleshy things we did before, however no one is perfect except for Jesus, but we can be more holy by not doing past things therefore we can avoid a lot of sins, but we won't ever be "sinless" while on this Earth.
---candice on 10/28/06


Okebaram ... There is no need to warn Bruce. He and many others have known the man much longer than you!!
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/28/06


(I.)A Christian CAN sin, The question should be: Does a Christian HAVE TO sin( Romans 6:12,13)? Jesus came to destroy the works of the enemy, to give God's people overcoming power. Temptation is all around, but Christian's don't HAVE TO yield to it.If someone desires to walk in the light of God's Truth and not denial or deceit(1 John 1:5-10),God will EMPOWER them to do this by the power of His Holy Spirit(Galatians 5:16-25).....
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


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(II.) ...by the power that is in His Son's divine blood(Revelation 12:11 ). Beware of dead churches that don't profess that overcoming power through Jesus which is available to every born-again child of God, BEWARE. Minister's that attempt to "downgrade" God's overcoming power which is available to His people.....
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


(III.)....downgrade the Blood Jesus(many of them will go as far as saying Jesus' Blood was only human blood,wasn't unique, falsely claiming It was just like your blood and my blood, they SPIT on the miracle of the VIRGIN BIRTH)(2 Timothy 3:5)(Jude 1:19) and those who "downgrade" the seriousness of Sin, the deadly consequences of it, they are not from God(stay away from them, God's ANGER is kindled against them!), God says plainly(Ezekiel 18:20 ).....
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


(IV.)God will help the "honest-hearted" to be overcomers through Him, but one must use that overcoming power that He offer's, His Reasoning, godly thinking, in regard to this, or they will be failing God all the time. Jesus said about brother Nathanael, Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no guile,a man with NO GUILE!(John 1:47 ). Either a person has guile or not, we can't deceive ourself about this. Ungodly reasoning is where Most Christian's go wrong...
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


(V.)....they LIMIT GOD(Psalm 78:41), so they are not the overcomer's through Jesus that they should be,they should claim(Philippians 4:13). Christian's need to stop making excuses for themselves for sinning(It really profits NOTHING, and sounds awful!), they should just follow the lead of the Holy Spirit, Obey God, period. (Jude 1:20-25)(1 John 3:8-10)(James 1:12-16)(1 Corinthians 10:12,13 )(1 Peter 1:15,16) (Matthew 5:48)God Bless.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


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Ezekiel 18:20a The soul who sins is the one who will die.
---John_T on 10/27/06


Our soul has been saved, not our bodies. We cannot sin in our soul, Jesus saved us and our soul will go to heaven, but our minds and bodies are still sinful. That is why Paul said we are to put our bodies under subjection. We have two natures now and they fight against one another. We cannot sin in the spirit, but we do sin in the flesh.
---Rev_Herb on 10/27/06


I've known some Christians who SAY they never sin. But I've never known a Christian..no matter how great their faith, that does not, at some time, sin.

What Christian doesn't WANT to be sinless?
But one of my sins is how easily I fail to RECOGNIZE my sin! So I will never presume to be without sin.
---Donna2277 on 10/26/06


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