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Must We Obey For The Indwelling

Considering ACTS 5:32 "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him." Is obedience necessary to keep the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in us?

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A person must obey God in every way. At times we don't and he lets us know when we don't. I believe that if a person refuses to obey God, then the spirit that is within them will leave. God won't stay in a house (body) where he isn't wanted.
---Rebecca_D on 5/13/07


Forgive me for interrupting this delightful discussion.

I have been a Christian for as long as I remember, and was baptised (full immersion)when I was 14 (12 years ago). I have not yet spoken in any kind of tongue other than the languages I know.

But this I DO know - that my understanding is vastly different from the world. That everything centers around Jesus Christ. This can only be because the Holy Spirit is in me, changing me, and teaching me His ways. Praise God.
---laure5759 on 10/30/06


PART TWO:
It was of these people Paul said 1 Cor 6:19, "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

Who said you said "a person can't be born-again(saved)if they haven't been Baptized in the Holy Ghost"? You have made it clear that you believe that Christians will remain after the rapture but you never said they would not be saved.
---Bruce5656 on 10/29/06


PART THREE:
You did said that Christians are fit to be the temple of the Holy Ghost: but that not all become the temple of the Holy Ghost

Shall I remind you again what the Bible says?
Rom 8:8-11, "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
---Bruce5656 on 10/29/06


PART FOUR:
Clearly Paul does not agree with you.

Notice Paul is contrasting the unsaved in the flesh with the saved in the Spirit - And they are saved if the Spirit of God dwell in them. Then he re-emphasizes that if you do not have the Spirit in you are not a Christian at all.
---Bruce5656 on 10/29/06




PART FIVE:
Paul goes on to say:
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."
---Bruce5656 on 10/29/06


PART SIX:
Then, if and only if the Spirit is in you will your mortal body be quickened even as Jesus himself was raised up from the dead. In other words it is only Spirit indwelt people (Christians) whose bodies will be quickened. If as you say, there are "Christians" who are not Spirit indwelt, who will miss the rapture, well, they will not be quickened either will they?
---Bruce5656 on 10/29/06


PART SEVEN:
Incidently, the reason that Jesus said to tarry for the baptism in the Holy Spirit was because the day of Pentecost had not come yet. Following the day of Pentecost, there is no need to "tarry." As you have noted, the baptism in the Holy Spirit is a gift just like salvation. All one has to do is believe and receive.
---Bruce5656 on 10/29/06


PART ONE:
Mrs Morgan,
Who said that you said: a Christian has to earn their way to receive the Holy Ghost Baptism?

You did say The Holy Spirit only speaks through sanctified tongues though, so one must rid themselves of anything unlike God

It is Interesting that the Corinthians, who were clearly being used by the Holy Spirit in ministry gifts, were a carnal bunch to say the least.
---Bruce5656 on 10/29/06


The Christian, if he is a Christian already has the Holy Spirit in him. He does not need to get the Holy Spirit again. Onced saved he is baptized into the body of Christ. All Christians have the Holy Spirit if their conversion was true.
---Lisa on 10/29/06




God has always and will always give favour to obedience. To think that you are entitled to all the blessings and rewards of the anointing of the Holy Spirit and yet dwell in sin would be wrong.
---john on 10/29/06


(1.)Michelle, Amen! God expects Christian's to hearken to His Words,Jesus said to TARRY,be ENDUED with power from on high, and thats what Christian's should do. TRUE born-again Christian's are fit to be the temple of the Holy Ghost, they are clean(saved), but the Truth is, most don't go that far, They stop at Salvation(being washed in the Blood of Jesus,having the Holy Spirit WITH THEM, but haven't been baptized by Him..
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/29/06


(2.)Many Christian's are being taught wrong concerning this, Many are being taught wrong about the Blood of Jesus too, calling It human powerless blood, and so on, this is not of God, but of the Anti-Christ, a person can't be saved, can't have the REAL Holy Ghost if they are promoting this HUGE lie of the devil, this is a good way to find out who is of God and who isn't , ask them about the Blood of Jesus, it's the divine, sinless Blood of Jesus that separates the wheat from the tares,
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/29/06


(3.) ...did you know that? God calls for separtion in this last Hour, His Truth, His divine Blood separates light from darkness everytime, there is much Apostasy around, but one need not be deceived about things, fooled by the devil's counterfeits. The enemy is a theif , a robber, People will have to let the Lord lead them , He will lead only the obedient and the honest hearted into ALL truth, when we follow His lead, not man's.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/29/06


The Holy Ghost will not dwell in someone who continues to sin and does not repent with all intentions not to sin again. Once you recieve the Holy Ghost with evidence of toungs, it will dwell with you as long as you obey him. The flesh is very sinfull, that is why Paul said he, had to die of his flesh daily. Hope that helps. God Bless You......Michelle
---Michelle on 10/29/06


Bruce5656: I agree with that 100%. *Obedience of faith. Romans 16:25-27
---kathr4453 on 10/29/06


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(I.)I have been falsely accused of several things on this blog. I never said a Christian has to earn their way to receive the Holy Ghost Baptism(which is a gift from God, like salvation), simply be washed in the divine Blood of Jesus(being clean and holy, is the only requirement),I am fully aware that a person can receive the Holy Ghost Baptism VERY SOON AFTER they get saved(this happens often in our crusades, out on the mission fields(we are living in the pouring out time of the Holy Spirit!)...
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


(II.) ...the person invites Jesus in their heart, then they praise God, and the Holy Spirit speaks through them, baptizes them; salvation and the Baptism in the Holy Ghost are 2 different experiences,regardless.) I never said that a person can't be born-again(saved)if they haven't been Baptized in the Holy Ghost, thus won't go to Heaven or be resurrected(if they die BEFORE the rapture)....
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


(III.)I stated that Christian's will need the REAL Holy Ghost Baptism AND yield to the Holy Ghost Daily(to make the Rapture) The Christian's that are "ALIVE and remain" at the time of the Rapture will need "more power" to go to heaven(by way of the Rapture), then by way of the Grave...
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


(IV.)The Holy Spirit Himself has testified this on several occassions during our services(my church has ALL of the 9 Gifts of the Spirit in operation, the Holy Spirit speaks often, if He has a message "for the congregation" , the gift of Interpretation goes into operation, unlike many Churches , which is sad, because the Holy Spirit has much to say!). There are other churches that know about this too, not just ours! Jesus' Bride(The Glorious Church) will be ready! God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/29/06


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Bruce, I thank you. I have never spoken in tongues, and neither have I had any supernatural vision or word of wisdom. However, I do know that, in my ordinary self, God has used me to give messages to others, even when I was unaware of it.
---laure5759 on 10/29/06


PART ONE:
There are several examples of people being baptized in the Holy Spirit immediately or soon after conversion. They did not have time to earn, work for, or otherwise prove themselves somehow worthy to receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit. The passage is simply referring to the fact that God imparts his Spirit to indwell anyone who obeys his call to salvation.
---Bruce5656 on 10/28/06


PART TWO:
Contrary to what Mrs. Morgan has been taught and is teaching here, you cannot be a Christian if the Holy Spirit does not live in you. This is the testimony of Gods word.

1 Cor 6:19, "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"
---Bruce5656 on 10/28/06


PART THREE:
If Mrs. Morgan is correct, then Christians who have not been baptized in the Spirit following conversion will not only miss the rapture, they will miss the resurrection!!

Rom 8:8-11, "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
---Bruce5656 on 10/28/06


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PART FOUR:
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

Thank God she is not correct! There is no prerequisite to receiving the baptism in the Holy Spirit but salvation itself.
---Bruce5656 on 10/28/06


(1.)The Holy Spirit will not "walk with", or "Dwell in" any Christian if they continue to grieve Him. Some Christian's have grieved the Holy Spirit to the point of Insulting Him, and they are walking on very dangerous territory.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


(2.)Some Christian's will tell you, that they no longer "feel" God is with them(they had relentlessly rebelled against God's Truth, and now they feel "empty") and they are right! At least they have enough of mind(their mind wasn't completely gone, completely ravished by the enemy) to know that something is wrong, MANY don't...
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


(3.)God said that His Spirit will not ALWAYS strive with man(Genesis 6:3)(Jude 1:17-19), many Christian's are deceived about this. Light has no fellowship with darkness(Eph. 5:11). We must have the Mind of Christ, the whole armor of God(Philippians 2:5)(Eph.6:11-18) to be able to STAND, and survive in this present evil, cursed world , period! Yes, brother Mima, Obedience is necessary(Luke 11:28)(2 Thessalonians 1:8-9). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/28/06


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NO! Obedience is not necessary to keep the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but obedience IS necessary to allow the Holy Spirit to work in your live. Without obedience, you quence the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is still indewlling, but you are not allowing him to work in your life.
---Rev_Herb on 10/28/06


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