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False Church Doctrines

How are those Church Doctrines that omit the book of Acts and several verses in other Books of the Bible, any less at fault than Churches who add rituals and traditions to their Doctrines? God didn't remove any of the Bible nor did He add all the rituals to it.

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Because everyone judges the bible at some point. They themselves then become the "Judge". There are those who say to God, "You're right on with these things, but those things aren't applicable now", and there are those who say, "Yep, I agree with you on that but you know what would make it better?" Job has much to say to these people. From the founding of the church man was already setting up his own idealogy as to what the church should be, this is why there are so many denominations. And now, of course, with so many factions the false teachers are in the ascendancy, though they will descend to the depths at the end. So as the bible repeatedly warns, even Jesus: watch out! Beware! Do not be deceived!
---John_II on 7/9/10


Any Church Ritual that's placed above
& before receiving the payment Jesus made on
the Cross to give us eternal life and Salvation is out of order.
---SZ on 7/8/10


Agree. God's word stands. As an unruly child twists the words of their parent for their own foolish vanity, so too the sinner lies by twisting the words of God onto their own foolish condemnation.
---Eloy on 7/7/10


The Bible says throughout that we are NOT to add to or take away from the Bible. If anyone does this, they are in sin and AGAINST God.
---Leslie on 7/6/10


What "rituals" are you talking about?

Do you know yourself?

Nowhere in the Bible did they ever take up a collection as a liturgical act, but it's quite popular in Protestant churches.

And what churches omit the Book of Acts or other verses?

Do you know?

Of course, there are lots of churches that omit whole books and parts of others from the Old Testament, and they are all Protestant.
---Cluny on 7/4/10




Most demoninations have just enough truth to deceive many. All denominations have some truth, no denomination have all lies. They present you with irrefutable truth and once you accept that truth, you cannot see the lies.

But there are two things in all the bible,
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets,


Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
---francis on 7/3/10


The True Church teachings of The Church of The Living God born on the day of Pentecost Is according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20 & living a clean & Holy life before God.



False church teachings is from the Man - made trin - relig - org's churches beginning with the rcc even her offspring daughters churches & they have salvation plans once saved always saved, easy believism, no works salvation, the sinners prayer. Are here Matt.15 v's 9 & 14 & came from here 2nd.Cor.4 v 4 & 11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 7/2/10


Your question makes a statement that you can't prove. Do some research and you will find that God did not have anything to do with what went into the New Testament. But He did warn us about Him planting the wheat (truth) and later Satan planting weeds (lies) and the New Testament is the field. It's our job to test everything with the testimony of Jesus.
---james on 6/7/08


Darlene ... I would say that if there are any that do this, they are just as much at fault.
But can yuo give an example of such omission, and its affect on the doctrine of the church concerend?
---alan8869_of_UK on 6/6/08


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---catherine on 5/29/07




Darlene_1, elaborate some more on this, I don't fully understand the point you are trying to convey.
---notlaw99 on 5/28/07


The Church is the Body of Christ which is the true, the life and the way unto God. There is nothing false about it. Religous Institutions on the other hand are not the Church. They are of the world and subject to sin and death. As you look at anything is the world, you will see good and evil. As God said: " I place be for you life and death, choose life." Praise the Lord for that which is good in the world and speak over that which is evil in the name of Christ Jesus.
---Shawn on 11/9/06


Phili. 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence or in truth, Christ is preached; and I there in do rejoice, yea and will rejoice.
---Shawn on 11/9/06


Laure-(Ruben - If you believe that the bread and the wine is literally Jesus' body and wine,) I believe because Jesus said so himself " My Flesh is real food, and my Blood is real drink."
---Ruben on 11/9/06


laure tread lightly, because this can be said about most of the "rituals" in all of the churches. they are all a symbol and thus can be used as an idol. and besides if It was the real body and blood of christ they would not be worshiping an idol but God, because isn't Jesus GOD?
---Jared on 11/9/06


Ruben - If you believe that the bread and the wine is literally Jesus' body and wine, then you do worship the elements, and not the creator. God said that we must not make idols - so He would never introduce one Himself. And to worship Him in any way other than in Spirit (because He is ONLY Spirit) is to not worship Him truly at all.
---laure5759 on 11/8/06


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Ruben - In regard to Jesus' statement "this is my body"

John 16:25 "These things I have spoken to you in figures of speech; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figures of speech, but I will tell you plainly about the Father."

Think on it, if you received the wafer, rolled it into a tiny ball & swallowed it, you could then dance around and yell 'yummy, yummy, yummy, I got Jesus in my tummy" Ridiculous is it not?
---lee on 11/8/06


Lee-(Ruben - What "if" the bread were not transformed into the very body of Christ and you worship it? Then clearly you would be guilty of idolatry even if done in ignorance.) It like saying What If Jesus was not God? simple, we have his own words, " The Father and I are the same." In John 6:51, Jesus words again " I am the living Bread that came down from heaven, this bread is my flesh which I will give to the world."
---Ruben on 11/8/06


Lee-(Ruben - I will stay on the safe side, take the elements are commanded with all due respect requested, and not worship bread.) How safe can that be when Jesus said "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the Flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you." Whoever eats my Flesh and drinks my blood has ETERNAL life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
---Ruben on 11/8/06


ZIMBABWEAN - in order for some cultists to support what they want to beleive, it is necessary to ignore certain portions of Scripture. For instance, the Adventists certainly do not like to read of the Jerusalem council decision that did not impose Mosaic laws on the Gentile church - things like Sabbath keeping, dietary laws, circumcision, and other practices; so they ignore Acts 15 as much as possible or if they do focus on it, twist what is being said to get it to say something it does not.
---lee on 11/8/06


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i have never heard of a church that omits the book of acts, which one is it, and how do they worship
---ZIMBABWEAN on 11/8/06


Ruben - What "if" the bread were not transformed into the very body of Christ and you worship it? Then clearly you would be guilty of idolatry even if done in ignorance.

I will stay on the safe side, take the elements are commanded with all due respect requested, and not worship bread.

Roman catholicism has much superstition in their beliefs and I have seen much of that in the 3rd world countries where pagan beliefs & practices are mixed in with the Roman Church beliefs.
---lee on 11/7/06


Darlene. I agree with you that in both cases churches that do these things are equally at fault. But I also would not go so far as to say that God is no longer showing us anything new.
---john on 11/7/06


Not if it is what Jesus said " This is my Body." This Bread is my Flesh which I will give to the World." John 6:51

Ruben -I note that you used the proper qualifier "IF". Your problem is that one is required to believe in a miracle by faith alone - something not typical of all the miracles listed in the Bible.

Jesus is not a breadcrumb and does not become one. Again, Satan must laugh when you bend down and worship mere food.
---lee on 11/7/06


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So much talk about "Grace"and How it is dispensed, even if unmerited. If "Grace" fell upon a
man it would also be flowing out of him henceforth if indeed it fell on him.
Matthew 18:33: "Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?"
---Nana on 11/7/06


Lee-(John 6. It is idolatry to worship bread.) Not if it is what Jesus said " This is my Body." This Bread is my Flesh which I will give to the World." John 6:51
---Ruben on 11/7/06


Lee :Are your thoughts doctrine or idle Gossip??just asking,
---Emcee on 11/7/06


I bet the devil must laugh in the face of God when people worship the bread in the Eucharist thinking that it has become the actual body of Christ. That is a false doctrine based upon a too literal interpretation of John 6. It is idolatry to worship bread.
---lee on 11/7/06


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Communion isn't a command - it's an ordinance. As is Baptism. This means that they must both be a part of our normal worship - not that we do them every day/week, but that they are carried out according to instruction, and obeyed. These are the only two things (read rituals/actions) Jesus said that we must do.
---laure5759 on 11/7/06


read the context everyone stop reading through your tradition Jesus never actually commanded any ritual. He allowed for rituals, because many people need them but He also allowed for the disuse of ritual.
---Jared on 11/6/06


Commandment as such, the Lords Supper was not. The narrative of the event however, shows more than a just thanks to God that ultimately provides for all. Jesus gave thanks
for the bread and the wine each time before giving it to his disciples. He added that the
bread was his Body and the wine was his Blood.
---Nana on 11/6/06


John 6:53: Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. and John 1:12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 1:13: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
---Nana on 11/6/06


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Some churches have the ritual of the Lords Supper. Usually implemented with wafer thingies and wine or grape juice. The symbolism attached to such, is that of receiving him, the Jesus, the Christ. Moreover I believe that in all meals I should thank God and bring to mind that he is my Father if I would just be his Son. As rituals go I find this one most commendable.
---Nana on 11/6/06


Luke 24: 30: And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
Luke 24: 31: And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
---Nana on 11/6/06


Jared ,Luke 22:19,1 Cor 11:24,1 Cor 11:25,in all three Jesus said ,to do, bread and wine, in remembrance of me. Luke 22:20 says it was done after supper,so that dismisses your theory that it is every meal or every time we eat just need to remember it is from God. We do that by saying Grace before meals. Something that important would never be made that light of by Christ.
---Darlene_1 on 11/5/06


was the ritual of the lords supper really a commanded ritual? as far I know Jesus was eating Supper with his disciples, and the rememberance that he told us to do is that every meal we eat we need to remember that it is from God, and that God is really the source and power for life. Jesus did not institue any rituals.
---Jared on 11/5/06


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Lee, the Lord's Supper is mot a mere ritual but a Commandment from Christ Himself that we should keep. Anyway I was talking about manmade,or denominational traditions established by churches ,not Christ or the Bible. Col 2:8 warns against being spoiled-taken in by philosophy,vain deceit and traditions of men after rudiments of the world not Christ.
---Darlene_1 on 11/5/06


Eloy,
I am in total disagreement with your "word of truth" made on 11/4/06.
---Nana on 11/5/06


I would argue that Jesus didn't establish any rituals or traditions. but allowed man to fit the rituals acording to their need to direct focus and attention to God.
---Jared on 11/4/06


Thank you Donna and Darlene.
I do try to be rational and balanced and objective in what I say.
---quent5969_the_Scot on 11/4/06


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Darlene - the Lord's supper is nothing less than a ritual that we are commanded to observe. Similarly, we need to follow those traditions that were established by the Apostles - 2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

There is nothing wrong with either ritual or tradition as long as it does not nullify the word of God.
---lee on 11/4/06


Alan 8869, I had never heard about, you must receive the Baptism of the HG with tongues to be saved, until I read it here and I have been in Pentecostal Churches all my life. In fact I was saved for 11 years before I received the Baptism of HG with tongues,then a few months later I began to receive the Gifts of the Spirit,but it was 20 years before I received the Gift of Tongues with Interpretation. Sometimes I think those who don't believe in them focus on them more than those who do.
---Darlene_1 on 11/4/06


Alan of UK -- Thank you for your rational comments. Speaking in tonges...the sort described in Acts or in I Corinthians, is certainly NOT necessary for salvation.
---Donna2277 on 11/4/06


laure5759 -- I don't know what denomination you have in mind .... there are plenty of false doctrines around. We were specifically speaking of the book of Acts.
Go ahead and elaborate if you wish, but I don't engage in the sport of "denomination bashing".
---Donna2277 on 11/4/06


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Both those who add, and those who take away, are equally wrong in sinning. We must divide the word of truth justly, which is preaching that there are two Laws and two Covenants: an abolished Old Testament Levitical-Mosaic Law of B.C.; and a currently inforce New Testament Judaic-Messianic Law of A.D. And that these two Covenants or two bodies of Law are contrary one to the other.
---Eloy on 11/4/06


Donna, As I have said, I know of a denomination that ALL BUT cuts out large chunks of scripture. If they actually did so, there would be very little Bible left. 'conveniently ignore' doesn't quite describe the way they treat the Bible.
---laure5759 on 11/4/06


D & D ...# 1 Thanks ... I had thought you meant omitting the whole of Acts rather than having doubts about one very small (by proportion) part of the Book.
The Church of England accepts that historically, the disciples spoke and were understood by those of other languages.
There is a less agreement about speaking in strange tongues (or no known language)
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/4/06


D & D ...# 2 But it is not unknown in the CofE to individuals to use tongues, both as prophecy or teaching and as worship.
Thankfully, there is no insistence (as there is from some on these blogs) that the gift of tongues is an essential to being a Christian.
I have never personally experienced the gift, although I have heard some worshipping in what sounds to me just like strange sounds.
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/4/06


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As for rituals and traditions, I've never seen a church (RCC or other) that has NONE. Question is: Are people led to worship other than Jesus? Is it deemed a "necessity" for salvation or holiness? Both would be unbiblical. I like an all-night prayer mtg. to spend time with the Lord (but nobody will go to hell for thinking He might be "lonesome") Praying to Mary is idolatry. But I like visiting "stations of the cross" (not quite as RC's do) yet it's not tradition in MY church.
---Donna2277 on 11/3/06


Alan -- I don't mean to answer for Darlene-- I'm sure she will add to this-- but no denomination I know of literally cuts out parts of scripture. Some do, however, conveniently ignore passages that can stir up controversy. The subject of "speaking in tongues" is one of these, and the book of Acts describes how this spiritual gift was introduced to the church.
---Donna2277 on 11/3/06


Alan, I used omit because there are many who don't accept Acts experience is for this time. If denomination refuses experience of 120 who received power from God by Baptism of HG with tongues and prophecy it is the same as omiting it. I don't know about Church of England but American Episcopal accepts their members experiencing the Gift as in Acts although usually it's not part of the church service.So do Catholics,some Baptist,many others which equals 1/2 billion who receive HG with tongues and gifts.
---Darlene_1 on 11/3/06


Thanks, Bruce. That is the scripture I use in response, too (but it never seems sufficient for those who have decided otherwise). I've never heard what the reasoning is, even human reasoning, from an historical viewpoint, that Acts lacks credibility re: doctrine.
---Donna2277 on 11/3/06


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Which churches omit the Book of Acts?
That's really what my first question meant, Darlene. I've not come across any.
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/3/06


Donna,
"Can anybody with some theological education tell me how one determines that the book of Acts is not a book of doctrine? "

Here is your answer:
2 Timothy 3:16-17, "
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

This would include Esther and Acts.
---Bruce5656 on 11/3/06


Steveng -- Great advice! I try to read the Bible this way all the time, even though I've read it many times. You're so right about Christians reading scattered verses. They not only miss the context, but they come to look at Bible reading as "drudgery". Too bad, because they don't realize what a fascinating book it is!
---Donna_Smith on 11/3/06


"Most Christians, that is 97%, have not read the Bible from beginning to end and without using a concordance, dictionary, novel or other reference book."--steveng

I think using a concordance and a dictionary while studying the Bible is a great idea. My desk is loaded with a few Bibles, notebooks, pens, pencils, highlighters, dictionaries, and concordances. I take LOTS AND LOTS of notes.
---Kay on 11/3/06


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Jesus faulted the Pharisees for their restrictive and ridiculous oral traditions. They used them for social control and financial gain. Don't todays denominations do the same thing? Humans are susceptable enough to sins of pride, arrogance and exclusivity, without denominations urging them on. In addition, where would the denominatioal hierarchy find such high paying jobs, if they didn't promote their particular uniqueness? Jesus wants us to concentrate on repentance, whole Biblical truths and love.
---willa6486 on 11/3/06


Donna - Paul in 2 Tim. 3:16 - All Scriptures is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

My understanding is that this means every book in the Bible. All the books currently in the canon have been accepted as Scripture for centuries. So no, there are no grounds for saying that any of these books (the 66) are not valuable in respect to the above-quoted verse.
---laure5759 on 11/2/06


Most Christians, that is 97%, have not read the Bible from beginning to end and without using a concordance, dictionary, novel or other reference book. Most Christians learn the Bible a verse here and a verse there. Most Christians read the Bible and only choosing the verses they like. Most Christians read the Bible and apply their worldly knowledge to it.

Try reading the Bible from beginning to end through the eyes of a child, not through the eyes of an educated adult. It's a whole new perspctive.
---Steveng on 11/2/06


#1 How can anyone be sure what God says in His word without reading it ALL? It's easy for long-time believers (almost unconsciously) to skip over parts, saying "Yeah, I've read that before, I know what it says" which all too often means it's not really that important! Denominations TELL people, quite subtly, what's NOT important to read. Some aren't so subtle, e.g. the pastor who says, "ACTS IS NOT A BOOK OF DOCTRINE", which just means "don't take it seriously".
---Donna2277 on 11/2/06


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#2 Can anybody with some theological education tell me how one determines that the book of Acts is not a book of doctrine? Is it considered just history like the book of Esther? I know there's a long standing debate about whether Ester should even BE in the Canon, since it doesn't mention God, but Acts contains some teaching by the Apostles. Can anyone enlighten me on this?
---Donna2277 on 11/2/06


Darlene and Bruce - I like the way you think. For my part, I will, from now on, try to say 'this is what I believe' - and then explain why. This blog question is definitely one to consider, because it should make each one of us realise that we do not have ALL, if ANY of the answers. We each have a perspective on the truth. I pray that God will open our eyes, our ears, our minds and our hearts so that we can all understand the truth in the same way.
---laure5759 on 11/2/06


PART TWO:
Their presentation is not "Here is what I believe the bible says, what do you think, or decide for yourself,"but rather, "if you don't agree with me you are dammed." Part of the dreaded "apostate church" or a "Christ rejecter." Or nmaybe, (shudder) the all encompassing dismissal "You will beleive what you want."
---Bruce5656 on 11/2/06


Alan 8869,I know,it's sad. They delude themselves for I don't see 100% truth in any denomination. They all have taken hold of one or more points and lay them out as necessary for salvation, when that isn't what the Bible says. I wish everyone could see truth but many have blinded eyes and can't. I just would like to see more tolerant attitudes of love among God's people.
---Darlene_1 on 11/2/06


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Darlene 1 - The only time Jesus was ever "lonely" was when He was on the Cross and He cried out "My God, My God, Why have You forsaken Me?" (Matthew 27:46). That was when the Father turned away because He could not look at sin which was then placed on Christ.
---Helen_5378 on 11/2/06


PART ONE:
Alan,
I agree. There is a distinct group of individuals here who insist they have a monopoly on truth. That the rest of us are most certainly wrong when we do not agree with them. They have no concept of "reasoning together" unless our "reasoning" is in line with theirs.
---Bruce5656 on 11/2/06


Darlene ... I agree 100% with you.
But there are so many (and on these blogs, as well) who say they have 100% of the Truth.
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/2/06


Jana , my adopted(through love) daughter is in a denomination that their church had people come all night for several nights and just sit in the Church and keep Jesus company so he wouldn't be lonely. Any tradition which is man made and not in the Bible is what I mean. Reading only the King James Bible and condeming all other translations is a man made tradition. Hope this helps you see what I mean. Actually any tradition peculiar to only one denomination through tradition's of men.
---Darlene_1 on 10/31/06


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Darlene, what do you mean by Rituals and Traditions, what are they?
---jana on 10/31/06


Please understand I am not judging any Denomination or their beliefs, what I am wondering is how some people can be so hard on a person for the church they belong to and their Denominational beliefs yet they too follow doctrines that aren't completely in line with God's pattern He gave in the New Testament. Every person walks in the light they have and its up to God to change what he wants changed in them. Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
---Darlene_1 on 10/31/06


There is one worldwide church denomination that has systematically cut the Bible apart, because the leaders are unable to believe that the Bible is possible, and is the truth. This has led to many false teachings entering the denomination, and they are definitely in the wrong.
---laure5759 on 10/30/06


There is not a SINGLE western church that does not omit SOMETHING from the Bible.

St. Paul very clearly says that women are to cover their heads. Do they do it in YOUR church?

Does YOUR church offer incense to the Lord's name, as the prophet Malachi said would be done in EVERY place by the Gentiles?

I could go on, but you get the idea.
---Jack on 10/30/06


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I've seen Catholics on here attacked because of traditions,rituals added that aren't in the Bible. My point is there are many denominations who don't accept the Book of Acts or the Baptism of Holy Ghost with tongues or the Gifts of the Spirit listed in 1 Corinthians who have been quick to point out what the Catholics do but I wonder what is the difference. To delete what God did give to His people carries as much weight as adding to it doesn't it,both are done by man? God didn't change the Bible again.
---Darlene_1 on 10/30/06


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