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Was Jesus created by God?

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kathr and Exzuchuh, both of your replies are wonderful and easy to understand. Many thanks for setting the record straight on this issue.
---james on 6/3/08


EXZUCUH,

AMEN!!!

A MAJOR difference between BEGOTTEN and CREATED.

Adam & Eve did not create Cain, Abel and Seth...they were begotten...birthed.

God did not create Jesus Christ...He is the ONLY begotten of the Father.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
---kathr4453 on 6/3/08


Jesus was begotten not a creation like man.Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Jesus was begotten of God before the foundation of the world he came forth by the incorruptible seed, the Logos written word of God. The Logos that was with God and was God became flesh after it was implanted in Mary.
God's seed is God as mans seed is man
---Exzucuh on 6/3/08


James, the Prophets testified in the OT the coming of Christ. Jesus is more then a messanger sent by God....Jesus came so that we could be reconciled to God. No one can come to the Father except through His Son.

Through the veil, that is to say His Flesh.
Hebrews 10

Who is Jesus Christ to you?

---kathr4453 on 6/2/08


James, when Jesus was being baptized by John, the Holy Spirit descended on Him and GOD said then b/4 Jesus rose from the dead....THIS IS My believed SON in whom I'm well pleased.

So the answer to your question is no. But where in what I posted did you come up with that?

Jesus was NOT Michael, who returned to being Michael after His resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 6/2/08




James....In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God and the WORD was God. And the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us.

Jesus said to the Pharasee's in John 8....before Abraham was I AM!!!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/2/08


The word "angel" means "messenger". Michael was called the "Prince" of the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus said "for this reason, I was born of man to testify to the truth and do the work of My Father". Couldn't Jesus then be a messenger to this world sent from His Father to testify to the truth? (Just wondering)
---james on 6/2/08


How can God create Himself? Come on, now! Or how can God create God? Go even further.
---catherine on 5/31/08


Hebrews 11:3 (Through faith we understand) that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Through Faith I understand that Jesus is the Son of God and by that Faith I am saved.
Through faith I understand that The Father sent his Son and by that Faith I am saved.
Though faith I understand that I must obey the Gospel and by that Faith I am saved.
Faith without works is dead and the work of God is to believe on his Son.
---Exzucuh on 5/30/08


kathr, are you saying that Jesus was only a human and became the Son of God after the reserection? I can't buy this. Jesus was and is part of the God Head.
---james on 5/31/08




Angels are/were messengers of God.

Scripture says the Angel of the Lord, it doesn't say the angel is the Lord.

Exodus 3:2And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him ... and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

3And Moses said, I will now turn aside,and see this great sight,why the bush is not burnt. 4 And when ***the LORD*** saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, ...
---kathr4453 on 5/30/08


Hebrews 1:13-14

13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
---kathr4453 on 5/30/08


Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD

appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 1:19-21

The Angel of the Lord didn't say....gee, I just invaded Mary's womb....don't worry!
---kathr4453 on 5/30/08


James, How do you explain this verse?


So you're saying the Lord is Michael???, yet Michael does not dispute with Satan and says The Lord rebuke you ????? Michael is clearly stating he is not the Lord.

Jude:9

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/08


James..again...

Hebrews 2:15-17

16For verily he (JESUS) took not on him the nature of angels, but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

James, Angels can't be crucified...angels have no blood...and angels can and have sinned..therefore no angel could die for your sin.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/08


Jesus is God the Creator.
---Eloy on 5/29/08


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kathr4435, Read Ex. 3:2, 14,15 and Dan. 12:1 and John 8 where Jesus said He is the "I AM" which was "the Angel of the Lord". What do you think of this? It seems clear to me.
---james on 5/30/08


Jesus is Gods only begotten Son his real son
He is the only one that God ever produced by his seed the incorruptible seed the word of God
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Every other man is born again and adopted by God. you know you cannot stop sinning without Gods help. And you have a measure of Gods Spirit but the Son of God has his Spirit without measure.
---exzucuh on 5/29/08


No, Jesus was not created by God.

However the angels were created by God, therefore anyone who believes Jesus is Michael the Arch Angel does not believe in the Deity of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/08


No comment. you see, there million and one questions for the supposed critical thinkers to ask God but my dear,why not have faith because it cost nothing.then when you meet God you can pour lots of questions to him
---Rotimi on 5/29/08


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JESUS created everything so how could he create himself?

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
---Samuel on 5/29/08


I believe that God is three parts..Jesus the son, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit. I believe that we are made up of three parts..soul or mind, spirit, and body. I believe that Jesus is God.
---melanie on 5/29/08


In regard to the blog question, the Moderator is correct. The Holy Trinity is a very important teaching, those who try to take away Jesus' Divinity, are in GRAVE error. So many Scriptures to give, that proves the Holy Trinity, here are some: (Gen.1:26)(John 1:1,10)(Rev. 1:8). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/29/08


Colossians 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature."(creation)
John 6:38 'For I came down from heaven not to do mine own will, but of him that sent me.' (17:4-5) "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do... O Father, glorify
me with thine own self with the glory I had with thee before the world was."
Genesis 1:26 "..God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
---Andrea_Maria on 9/3/07


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Colossians 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature."(creation)
John 6:38 'For I came down from heaven not to do mine own will, but of him that sent me.' (17:4-5) "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do... O Father, glorify
me with thine own self with the glory I had with thee before the world was."
Genesis 1:26 "..God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
---Andrea_Maria on 9/3/07


Toby ... "It was for speaking the Fathers true name that our Saviour was killed"
Really? Can you please tell us more of this revelation?
There seems to no support in scripture for that, either in prophecy, nor in all that Jeus spoke of His mission, nor in the history as written by the Gospellers, nor in the teaching and interpretation in the Epistles.
---alan_of_UK on 9/2/07


The folowing scripture PROVE Jesus ws not created by God:

Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. Is. 43:10

I am the LORD, and there is no other, apart from me there is no God. Is.45:5


Philippians 2 state it was God who took on the form of flesh, who left HIS place in Glory, for you and me.

God CANNOT Lie, mis-lead, deceive.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/07


Jim a point to help you understand. The 3 letter G name give in scripture in many places means "Mighty One/s" of which the Father and The Son are. However the truth comes from knowing their names and speaking them especially the Father. It was for speaking the Fathers true name that our Saviour was killed.
Father: YAHUEH pronounced ee-ah-oo-eh Son: YAHUSHUA pronounced ee-ah-oo-shu-a. Notice the 1st four letters of each. He came in his Fathers name, Yahueh, and taught in that name .
---Toby on 9/2/07


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John 9:2-3 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

The word manifest means to be made known, If I do the will of Christ and and allow him to Work through me by the Spirit of God I am making Christ Manifest, but I am not Christ.
---exzucuh on 8/31/07


Jesus was God manifest in the flesh, the Father was in Jesus and did his works through Jesus but Jesus is the Son of God.
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

And that union is still in effect in Heaven, The Father and the Son are one temple in heaven.
---exzucuh on 8/31/07


Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Jesus sits on Gods throne but the Father God is in him and is sitting on that throne through Jesus the Son.

Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

The Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son.
---exzucuh on 8/31/07


1)
A summary of Jesus Claims:
Jn12:44 He who believe in ME does not believe in Me, [but] in Him(God) who sent ME. For I did NOT speak on My OWN, but the Father HIMSELF who SENT Me has GIVEN ME commandment, what to say, and what to speak. Therefore the things I SPEAK, I speak just as the Father TOLD Me.

Jesus is poinitng to GOD the Father. The Father alone is GOD. Jesus is the Son.
---cindy92714 on 8/31/07


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Who came in the flesh ?. This is a 'scriptural test' for the antichrist spirit[1Jn 4:23-24]
---cindy92714 on 8/31/07


JIM you are on the right track, the rest of you try to make it so complicated. There is Nothing God can not do with just a thought, because He is that thought. He is the electromagnetic particles that makes up the atoms that makes you.
Peace be with you
---KEnt on 8/31/07


Jim once again, God did not come in the flesh.The truth of the Fact is you're the one that's putting limit on God. If you claim God came in the flesh then you are saying God DIED. God can not die. Jesus said God is a Spirit therefore we should pray in the Spirit.

Who did Jesus say to pray to? I pray to His God and His Father which is my God and My Father also.
---CiNdY92714 on 8/30/07


If you look a little deeper, you will understand. Jesus is the Word of God. If you look up the word begotten in the dictionary, it say to bring into existance. In the beginning, the Father begat the Son. Even before the heavens and the earth was the Son. God spoke creation into existance.

You have taught yourself and you rely on your own teachings rather then the teachings of the Holy Spirit. You cannot undrestand the milk of the word, much less the meat of the word. We are not of the same spirit.
---CiNdy92714 on 8/30/07


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Cindy......you still did not answer my question. It sounds like you are putting limitations on GOD.
Ill ask it again.Are you saying that Almighty GOD,the GOD who created everything there is could not manifest Himself in the flesh??
---JIM on 8/30/07


4)Jim, it's not that God could not manifest Himself in the flesh. God is perfectly Holy and there is NO darkness in light.So as we both no nothing good is in the flesh. God never changes he said so Himself. By your claim that God became flesh you made him to be a liar.

Jesus said "For God so loved the world he gave His only Son, the whoever believes in Him should not persih but have everlasting life."
---CiNdY92714 on 8/30/07


5)God never said in the OT or NT that God Love the world that he gave himself up, God can't Die first of all, and you claim He did.
God is a Spirit, Flesh is flesh, therefore God sent His Son.
Jim, the Word became Flesh not the Almighty God which art in Heaven, this is what Jesus said.
---CiNdY92714 on 8/30/07


I believe the Holy Spirit is a person, and I believe in the Trinity.


Jesus was NOT created...but says, before Abraham was *I AM*.John 8

In the OT
"Tell them *I AM that I AM* sent you, said God to Moses when sending him into Egypt if the people should ask who sent you.

Oneness believe in sinless perfection. I believe perfection means Mature or of full age. I do not believe we come to sinless perfection in this lifetime.
---kathr4453 on 8/30/07


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1) Jim,
For the light has no place with darkness. It was for this reason the Father begat the Son.


Many don't understand that God begat his Son, the Word in the beginning, even before the heavens and the earth and by the Son and through the Son the Father created all things.

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by HIS Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.
---CiNdY92714 on 8/30/07


2)God is perfect. He cannot have any contact with sin at all. It is for this reason he sent his Son. Does light have place with darkness? God is perfection, perfect light. He begat his Son to take away the reproach away from the world. It was for this reason the Son was created, even before the heavens and the earth.

Jesus had become the sin of the world and the Father, who is PERFECT in all ways, had to turn away. The Father could have NO PART with sin.
---CiNdY92714 on 8/30/07


3)
If you cannot fathom this, then your Father and my Father are not 1 in the same. It is for this reason the Father begat the Son, to take away the reproach of mankind. 2 say God came in the flesh and BECAME SIN for mankind is a totally different Gospel!

When Jesus became sin and when he SAID, FATHER, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?, he fulfilled the prophesy. For the Father can have NO part with sin. To say God can and able to lower himself and to become sin. That is something satan would say.
---CiNdY92714 on 8/30/07


In Gods own VOICE in two Gospels said, "THIS IS MY BELOVED SON" (Matt. 3:17, Mark 9:7).

Who came in the flesh ?. This is a 'scriptural test' for the antichrist spirit[1Jn 4.2]

To say Jesus is God in the flesh, you are denying God's Son and your calling God a liar, for He said "THIS IS MY SON, WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED Listen to Him"

Jesus said, he was SENT BY the Father.
---CiNdY92714 on 8/30/07


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Jesus is God he was and is and shall forever be..He was made flesh and dwelled among us and we beheld his glory the only begotten of the father full of grace and truth..
---kay on 8/30/07


Cindy.....Jesus Christ is GOD in the flesh.
Are you saying that Almighty GOD,the GOD who created everything there is could not manifest Himself in the flesh?? Sounds like you are putting limitations on GOD.
---JIM on 8/30/07


The Jews repeatebly wanted to kill Jesus because Jesus kept claiming he was the Son of God, not a son of God. This implies he was born of God, and came form His very essence and being. Meaning he wasn't created. If Jesus wasn't created then it can only mean one thing, that God's divinity flows through Jesus. The Jews knew this.
---Matthew_from_LA on 8/30/07


2)Trinitarians believe Jesus is God(meaning he is divine,perfect,can't be corrupted) because they believe he is the Son of God. The angels fell because they aren't perfect beings. Jesus however is perfect(he walked in perfection and never sinned) and their is only one being in this world that can claim perfection. Please don't cite where Jesus said "Don't call me good, there is only one who is good." to refute that, in doing so you take what Jesus said out of context.
---Matthew_from_LA on 8/30/07


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3)
Not understanding how Jesus, the Son of God( a seperate person) can be God comes from wanting logic to explain the things of God(man's reasoning). This is why the trinity is a mystery. We are told that Jesus believed Him being equal with God was not robbery(Phillipians 2:6). If you just believe what God said and don't depend on logic to be able to explain the things of God you will believe the truth. The miracles Jesus performed can't be explained logically so we accept such things in faith.
---Matthew_from_LA on 8/30/07


4)
I believe Jonah was swallowed by a whale, however, if I depended on logic I would no longer believe for logic says such a thing is impossible. I believe in God if I depended on logic to explain the existence of God then I would be an atheist. Just believe what God said.
---Matthew_from_LA on 8/30/07


God did not come but he sent his "only begotten Son". Scripture says Jesus came to do the WILL of the Father WHO SENT Him.

For God so loved the worls he gave his only begotten son.

Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact REPRESENTATION of his being. The Father is the original.
---ciNdY92714 on 8/29/07


To say Jesus is the Father, denies the place and role of the One true God, the Ancient of Days seen by Daniel, And also denies the The role and existence of the Son of God, calling God a Liar who gave witness from heaven in an audible voice and by the witness of his word by the prophets and the witness by his Spirit doing Signs and wonders and on the day of Pentecost that the Son was sitting on God's Throne in all power of God.
---exzucuh on 8/29/07


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Adam and the angels have been called the sons of God because they were the direct handiwork of God.They did not SPAWN from another being, but rather were created directly by the hand of God.

Jesus, however, has been called the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son. If Adam and the angels are sons of God, why is Jesus called the Only begotten Son? It means just what it says. The key word is here is BEGOTTEN. Adam was CREATED.Jesus was NOT created by God. Jesus was BROUGHT FORTH from God. Jesus came from God.
---CiNdY92714 on 8/29/07


2 Corinthians 13:14
14May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

If you go to ex-Oneness sites - they produce atheists - i've never seen anything like it - what do they do?
---Andrea on 8/29/07


Emecee, I agree with everything you said the walk of one person determineds his/her destiny.

The Father lives in Heaven [Our Father who art in Heaven]and sends His Spirit to men on earth. As a perfect vessel for the Spirit of God only Jesus fully expressed the nature and abilities of God. Only he showed all the Fruits and all the Gifts of the Spirit. These fruits and gifts are the heart and hands of God on earth, the grace of God. In him the fullness of deity resided in bodily form.
---CiNdY92714 on 8/29/07


2)
The Spirit is eternal life.It is the living water.

God is IN Christ and Christ is IN God. God and Christ are inside his people. It is by the Spirit of God that WE are ONE. ONE IN Spirit, many in soul/identity.

John 14:20
On that day you will realize that I am IN my Father, and YOU are IN me, and I am in YOU.

I hope you truly understand what this means. God Bless You!
---cInDy92714 on 8/29/07


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1AGAIN Cindy, who's refusing the Holy Spirit as God's gift. POINT out a scripture that points it's not GOD'S GIFT OR POWER. SHOW ME a scripture that CHRIST was not filled with God's Holy Spirit at his baptism.


the Holy Spirit shall come upon you, and the [POWER] of the Highest shall overshadow you (Luke 1:35)

God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with POWER: Who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil, for God WAS WITH Him (Acts 10:38).
---CiNdY92714 on 8/29/07


2 For He [Christ] whom God has sent SPEAKS the words OF God: for God GIVES not the Spirit by measure unto Him (John 3:34).
Jesus said: I can of mine own self DO NOTHING: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just, because I seek NOT mine OWN will, but the will OF THE Father which hath SENT me.(JN5:30)


AND Cindy:Do not judge,lest you be Judge. For in the way you judge, you will BE JUDGE, and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.(MATT.7:1-2)
---CiNdY92714 on 8/29/07


I do not desire to get into this kerfuffle but Oneness is spoken desired & decreed by God Jesus Christ.One churchMat16:17-19 one Flock One shepardOne HeavenOne hellYour walk determines your destination.because DIE you must then the judgement & final placement.Jesus said Strive ,Be Perfect as this is the only acceptable yard stick which will be used.The Ball is in your court the game is GOOD Vs Evil. The courts are up & down.
---Emcee on 8/29/07


catherine/Kathr4453, this is what I get.
With all of your penpal names that you create,...there is one core belief that you have.
Oneness. You believe the Holy Spirit is an essence, a "power" that only points to Jesus Christ.
You do not believe the Holy Spirit is equal in the Godhead, you do not believe in the Trinity.
Because of that, I do not believe you have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
---Cindy on 8/29/07


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That is why your 'prophetic gift' is all head knowledge.
It is derived from your mind, what you extract from books and the internet.
It is also why you can speak curses with your mouth and call it prophecy.
You believe in the cheap grace doctrine, false doctrine.
You believe in Oneness, which is false.

---Cindy on 8/29/07


Emcee you said it right.
preach it brother preach it!
---Andrea on 8/28/07


How could that be? Jesus Christ or Jesus whichever you may prefer is GOD.++Only God. One God. Savior. Jesus savior, God. Get it. Hope you got it.>>>+++
---catherine on 8/28/07


People who use double identities to get their point across are deceitful by nature & have no credibility.Such is the practice on these Posts by a few who do not have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to their convictions but vassilate like broken reeds in the wind.
---Emcee on 8/28/07


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Kathr4453, you used a variation on Cindy to put out your usual false teaching about the Holy Spirit on the Trinity blog.
Now you're visiting back and forth with yourself, do you really think the rest of us are that so dull we can't see it?
---Cindy on 8/28/07


cindy - I didn't say what you were involved in.
---Andrea on 8/27/07


You cannot know God by Knowledge to eat of the tree of Knowledge is how this mess started. Adam already knew God by relationship he did not need the Knowledge of God. If you Know God through Jesus his Son by relationship in the Spirit you are where you need to be. The Spirit will be your teacher, and your moral guide, walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of your flesh.
---exzucuh on 8/27/07


2)Did you catch what was said? Do you grasp it? The promise of a staggering future available to mankind. Those called in this age are to inherit all things and to be crowned with glory and honor through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ the CAPTAIN of their salvation.

These verses reveal the marvelous, wonderful potential planned for all Christians. Paul reveals that, when Christ returns, many sons will be brought unto glory, through the work of the Captain of our salvation (Heb. 2:10).
---CiNdY92714 on 8/27/07


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3)The Bible shows a connection between sons and heirs. An heir has not yet inherited what is to come to him. We read, in I Corinthians 15:50, that we will inherit the kingdom of God. But those called now, in this lifetime, are heirsbegotten (not yet born) sons. Paul further explains, And if you be Christs, then are you Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promiseWherefore you are no more a servant, but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ (Gal. 3:29, 4:7).
---CiNdY92714 on 8/27/07


4)God will share rulership over His entire creation with all of His Sons. Christ is merely the first of many. Notice: For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren (Rom. 8:29).

The birth of a firstborn son logically implies the future birth of additional sons (and daughters) to the same family!
---CiNdY92714 on 8/27/07


5)
1 of Gods biblical names is Father (Greek: Pater:Matt. 5:48, 6:9, Mark 14:36, Gal. 4:6). This word refers 2 the head of a family,like the word son, a family name! A human father and son are members of family. This is also true of Spirit begotten children of God!

Heb 2:11, Christ is not ashamed 2 call them brethren the other many sons. Truly, begotten Christian has been called 2 glory and 2 be one of many sons. Christs suffering and sacrifice allow Him to be the Captain of their salvation.
---CiNdY92714 on 8/27/07


6
If Christ is not ashamed to call us brethren, then we, Gods begotten sons, must not be ashamed to defend the very truth that sanctifies us (Jn 17:17)and the truth of the gospel (Phil. 1:17). We must grow up unto Christ (Eph. 4:13) and hold to the true doctrines of God. We must qualify to stand beside Christ over all things.

While the trinity is a mystery that cannot be understood, Gods Plan, while a mystery to the world, can be understood. And His purpose has not changed from the beginning.
---CiNdY92714 on 8/27/07


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1)Andrea, blasphemy of what? Don't categorized me as a JW etc., just because you have a lack of understanding knowledge of God's purpose 4 mankind.

Heb. 2:9-10 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than da angels 4 da suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor, that He by da grace of God should taste death 4 every man. For it became Him, 4 Whom are all things, and by Whom are all things, in bringing MANY SONS unto glory, 2 make da Captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
---CiNdY92714 on 8/27/07


Cindy - that's blasphemy. Jos Smith =polytheist & polygamous.

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"

2 Cor13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord, I do not change."

Hbr 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
---Andrea on 8/27/07


Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jhn 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

God's plan is to reconcile everyone to Him on earth and then in heaven.
---Andrea on 8/27/07


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