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Is Scripture Alone Correct

Should we argue for or against other churches? Should scripture alone be used for argument, leaving out personal thoughts and bias?

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Most experiences should be able to be validated by scripture, among these are one's spiritual re-birth, evidence of spiritual gifts, conviction of sins, and understanding of spiritual things. I say this because there are some denominations that have ritualized away personal experiences.

Should scripture alone be used for arguments? I think that we need to point our destructive heresies held by some or things that are destructive for ones spiritual life, however, this should be done in love as fits the Christian life.
---Lee1538 on 12/15/08


John's baptism symbolized repentance. He saw this inappropriate for the One he knew to be the spotless Lamb of God. Jesus replied that it should be done to fulfill all righteousness.

Christ was identifying Himself with sinners, ultimately bearing our sin, knowing His perfect righteousness will be imputed to them who follow Him. 1 Cor 5:21. He is our perfect substitute.

Baptism means death and resurrection. When Israel crossed the Jordan it took 3 days. This crossing symbolized death and resurrection life. Jesus was Baptized where??? None other than the Jordan River.

Our Baptism into death and resurrection life is His Body, that is OUR Promised LAND.....we enter a Promise of Eternal Life and REST!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/28/08


---BRUCE5656 you have an interesting idea. I know of, and believe the Jewish Mikva to be a ritualistic cleansing bath. I'm also under the impression that it is mainly used by Jewish women and by then mainly used for ceremonial cleansing. But I will take a closer look.
Thank you
mima
---mima on 10/23/08


All this "blogging" should be centered around the scriptures and Christ. It should be done in Christian love. We should strive to educate. The real goal should be to worship the Father in Spirit and in truth -
John 4:23, not to bash our neighbor with words.
---trey on 10/22/08


Mima,

I have a challenge for you. Look-up and study the Jewish "Mikva". I believe that to understand why Jesus was baptized, you need to understand the traditions of the Jewish Mikva. I believe it explains that what Jesus did to "fulfill all righteousness" was simply one more element in his keeping the laws and traditions of his Jewish faith.

Baptism was also a traditional initiatory rite of various groups both political and religious at the time of Christ. It is no surprise that it was chosen as a initiatory rite into the Body of Christ but as such it is not necessarily related to the baptism of Jesus.
---BRUCE5656 on 10/22/08




It seems that the general understanding all throughout history (not just in modern Christianity) is that God is responsible for many silly statements in scripture. Example...

God said that ALL authority was given to Jesus (how silly of God to say such a foolish thing!!,...or was God really foolish?...EITHER/OR, you decide).

If you disagree that Jesus is the ONLY authority for Christians, then make a CLEAR and public statement that God should have consulted you before saying such a silly thing in the "WORD OF TRUTH" (bible). No doubt, God was wrong about telling us that the bible (2000 years old) is the "word of truth" also.
---more_excellent_way on 10/22/08


Jesus and his disciples called the people to repentance and followed it up with baptism as a sign. Today water baptism is a sign of repentance too, except when the person is an infant and has no consciousness of sin, in this case the child is just welcomed into the church and given a name. The Holy Spirit can only work under the right circumstances. If the parents do not bring up their child with the knowledge of God through various means, then Baptism is of no effect. Unbaptized babies are as clean as baptized babies. If you have had a bath you do not need to be bathed....as Jesus said. This calls for discernment.
---frances008 on 10/22/08


Mima:sorry for interjecting Baptism is to remove the stain of "Original sin" incurred by our first Parents, as is the tradition,Jesus was an Orthrodox Jew and followed the letter to the law.You misenterpret the Baptisn of Jesus.Would you therefore conceed to this truth.Listen to Jesus words to John the Baptist Matt3:15
---Mic on 10/22/08


Regarding this statement.
"The bible IS NOT an authority, it is a REFERENCE, the INTRODUCTORY doctrine of Jesus (Hebrews 6:1).
---more_excellent_way on 10/22/08
The Bible states in second Timothy 3:21
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."
It would seem that there is a problem between these two statements.
---mima on 10/22/08


Manny I believe you will concede that Jesus did not need to be baptized yet we are certain he sought out baptism so the question becomes WHY. The Bible says that Jesus was baptized to "fulfill all righteousness". It cannot be Jesus' righteousness, otherwise you make him unrighteous before his baptism. That is an impossibility. Jesus got baptized to fulfill OUR righteousness(mine and yours). All our righteousness is filthy rags before the Lord(including our act OF baptism) we need to be baptized into the Lord Jesus Christ and then his baptism on our behalf is acceptable to the Father. Thank you Jesus!!!
---mima on 10/22/08




The Lord knew that there would be many misunderstanding that would need to be cleared up, so He addressed your concerns (yes, YOU/us).


Concerning the belief that there should be both H2O baptism AND living water baptism of God's spirit...

Ephesians 4:5
"one Lord, one faith, one baptism"

Concerning the belief that the word of truth (bible) is "an authority"...

Matthew 28:18
"And Jesus came and said to them, "ALL authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me".

The bible IS NOT an authority, it is a REFERENCE, the INTRODUCTORY doctrine of Jesus (Hebrews 6:1).
---more_excellent_way on 10/22/08


I agree with you Nicole, there is nowhere in the bible that states we dont need baptism in the water. And just to add to your point, imagine this guys, even our Lord Jesus Christ submitted himself to the baptism of John in the water. If Jesus, who is the perfect example of how we should live our Christian life, was baptized in water, who are we now to say we dont need it. If water baptism isnt needed, why did Jesus submitted himself to it.
---manny on 10/21/08


JESUS answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of WATER and of the SPIRIT, he CANNOT enter into the kingdom of God.

Peter 3
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

The LIKE FIGURE whereunto EVEN BAPTISM doth also NOW SAVE US (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, BUT the answer of a GOOD conscience TOWARD God,) BY the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Theres more if you need them?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 10/20/08


more excellent way, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you on the baptism thing.
Jesus baptises in the Holy Spirit. John baptised by water.
Jesus does not say if you do or do not need to be baptised by water.
John says he baptised by water but there is one coming who will baptise with the Holy Spirit(Jesus).
I believe that water baptism is an outward confirmation of receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit and that it should be done after you confess and get "saved".
I think that we should have both. There is nothing wrong with showing your faith in this way.
---ginger on 10/20/08


Tommy: I have always assumed that Christ was being a little sarcastic with the Pharisees. Notice He says to them "Search the scriptures for in them ye THINK ye have eternal life". Maybe he is saying, "you have made the written scriptures your God, but if you go to those scriptures you will see that they talk about me". I think we need to be careful that idol worship doesn't take the form of worshiping the scriptures rather than God himself. We know that the scriptures are not completely perfect, but since Christ himself referred to them and acknowledged them as a strong argument for several points he wished to make, we should recognize their great worth.
---grant on 10/20/08


We don't need H2O baptism from man, we need living water baptism of the spirit so that we "neither thirst" (Rev. 7:16, Acts 1:5).
---more_excellent_way on 10/17/08

Where does it state water baptism isn't needed in the Bible?
---Nicole on 10/19/08


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Tell the truth of the Bible. "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." I Timothy 2:5
Jesus is the only way to have a relationship with our Father, God.
---Sandra on 10/19/08


Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---jerry6593 on 10/19/08


Second Timothy 3:16 seems to answer this question. Scripture"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
---mima on 10/19/08


Jesus told the Pharisees to "search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life:and they are they which testify of me." Sola Scriptura doesn't have anything to do with the thinking being discussed here anyway. It was a point made by the Reformers that Scripture was the final authority over men's words, whereas the RCC demanded that ONLY the Pope, and the church are able to accurately interpret Scripture and that no common man was able to rightly do so. The Holy Spirit is our teacher, and we should look to Scripture to compare men's words to the word of God. We are to be like the Bereans in Acts, searching the Scriptures daily to be sure that what we are being told is true to the word of God.
---tommy3007 on 10/19/08


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Scripture alone is all that is needed and necessary. God's Word is the last and final authority. Our personal thoughts and biases will no doubt enter in, but God's Word is the highest authority, and does not change.
We should never argue or throw God's Word to the dogs. It is too precious and valuable to be forced on anyone.
---Robyn on 10/18/08


The Bible is infallable, if there is one word in the Bible is not true the whole would be false. We must read the scripture in order to know the secret mystery of God, we must understand the eternal purpose of God. The bible is just a piece of paper, but when you study and practice the bible you will now become a living Bible. because you yourself is a living testimony, and that God be seen n you.
---charlene on 10/18/08


To the person who claims the blog name(the most excellent way),
Careful what you put into the Hearts of HIS children, Luckily, I KNOW "The Most Excellent way" and you ain't it, you err and help scatter that which is gathered, not a good side of the fence to be on!

I suggest you repent & find some water...
Do you need more Scripture on that?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 10/17/08


The Bible is our supreme authority. It is the only book that does not contain anything but the Truth. That is why there is a punishment for adding a letter to, or taking a letter away from the Bible. Unfortunately, this adding and subtracting happens all the time, and we need to use all the resources we have to find out the exact original meaning of the particular verses of the Bible. On the plus side, if we just read through the Bible (whichever translation) from Genesis through to Revelation, we will not go far wrong. It is by dissecting the Word of God that we get into ERROR. Everything needs to be read, every single word from the beginning to the end. Don't hang your ideas on one verse, there is great danger in doing that.
---frances008 on 10/18/08


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Scripture is the word of God which NEVER changes, but like Jack says popevangelism is deviant changeable depending on who or which is giving the good portended Message,watered doctored with a spoonful of sugar.
---Mic on 10/17/08


Acts 8
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain WATER: and the eunuch said, See, here is WATER, WHAT doth hinder me to be BAPTIZED?

37 And Philip said, IF thou believest with ALL thine HEART, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I BELIEVE that Jesus Christ IS the SON of GOD.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and THEY went down BOTH into the WATER, BOTH Philip and the eunuch, and he BAPTIZED him.

39 And when THEY were come UP OUT of the WATER, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way REJOICING.


---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 10/17/08


We should live under the perfect law (James 1:25, 2:12, Ephesians 2:15).

We should know God as "Abba Father" (dear Father), not 'master/taskmaster' (Romans 8:15, Galatians 4:6) and no longer be slave/servant (James 2:23). We should no longer have any fear of Him (1 John 4:18, Mark 12:30, Isaiah 29:13).

There is no 'trinity' (mathematical classification), "God is one" (Galatians 3:20, Colossians 2:9).

Mankind has always taught self-serving beliefs, there is nothing to argue (or do you not "love the truth"?).

2 Thessalonians 2:10
"...AND SO BE SAVED".
---more_excellent_way on 10/17/08


We don't need H2O baptism from man, we need living water baptism of the spirit so that we "neither thirst" (Rev. 7:16, Acts 1:5).

We already know the introductory doctrine (Hebrews 6:1, "word of truth", 2 Timothy 2:15, Ephesians 1:13, John 14:6), now it is time to know the "sword of the spirit" (Ephesians 6:17) and escape the strong delusion that has been around all throughout history.

Our devotion should not be 'a faith', it should be a "FAITH FOR faith" (Romans 1:17). We should have faith THAT God exists and also have faith (TRUST in) in His loving kindess (Hebrews 11:6). Our devotion should be based on "the greatest of these" (1 Corinthians 13:13).
---more_excellent_way on 10/17/08


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The bible is NOT an authority...

Matthew 28:18
"Jesus came and said to them, "ALL authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me".

We were made in the image of God. We have only to acknowledge our anointing and put it to use by rejecting all human spiritual teachers so that we can learn what is TRUE.

1 John 2:27
"you have no need that any one should teach you, as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is TRUE".

Churches are not for new testament worship. Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Our worship should be done in our temple and there should be no public prayer.

Amos 5:21
"I hate, I despise your feasts...".
---more_excellent_way on 10/17/08


in the Bible i see so many places where those of the old testament as well as the new testament used scripture itself to finalize a point they were making when discussing God's will in any situation.

it definitely looks to me like God's word is supposed to be the final authority.

the danger is when anyone is distracted or lured away from God's word to accept something else. yielding becomes sin, bondage, being deceived.

Jan25
---opalgal on 10/17/08


5. Christ's church is pure and without blemish. I have the history of almost all popes and their works through their times, not everything but all that I need to know that the Catholic Church is not in anyway infallible. Too many bad and corrupted popes, yet there was many in the Church that tried very hard to change things. Many great man like John Paul, who talked to Rabbi Elio Toaff, that he accepted most of the blame for the incessant tregedies of their people. Not himself but speaking for the church.
---lisa on 10/17/08


John, Read what I said again. When Man strays from the Bible, then there is a problem. We (every single person who believes in God) are told to test everything we hear against the Word. Yes, the Bible was written by man - BUT it was ALL inspired by God Himself. It is the Holy Spirit who leads us into truth - not any Man, because all men, save Jesus Christ who is the Son of God, can fail us.
---laure5759 on 11/23/06


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Tofu - I'm on your side! I'm just trying to show a neutral perspective of both sides of hte argument.
---laure5759 on 11/23/06


** The bible does make the point that scripture is the final authority.**

What does this verse mean?

"Keep the traditions you have been taught, whether by our word or epistle."

"Epistle" is obvious--the Letters in the Bible. But what "traditions by word" are meant?
---Jack on 11/23/06


You can't find in the Scripture that there are 66 books that are our authority and rule. The Spirit is what guides us into all truth. The word of God is not just the written word. When the word of the Lord came to the prophets it wasn't a Bible that fell out of the sky. It was revelation, and this will continue to build the Church intil Jesus comes back.
---john on 11/23/06


larie5759. You say you only believe what Jesus says and not what someone else says who claims to be one with him. Then how can you believe the Bible? It was written by people who you believe were one with the Lord. These people received revelation and wrote what you claim to be the absolute and only truth. Don't you recognize the work of the Holy Spirit guiding you today in every circumstance or have you shut Him out by being led only by the written word?
---john on 11/23/06


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The bible does make the point that scripture is the final authority. The problem is people wresting them into nonsense. Very similar to what the Cathiolic church does. Final authority is not the only doctrine that gets argued about, ALL of them do. Why because people wrest the scriptures, add to them, use man's opinions in place of, etc.
---tofurabby on 11/23/06


Part One

Augusta and Tofu - you are arguing at cross-purposes. Neither of you are going to ever agree, because you are starting from different worldviews (or religious views). The two ways of viewing Scripture are as follows:

1. The RCC does not accept the Bible as the sole authority because they believe that the task of authentic interpretation of the scriptures is given to the "living and teaching office of the Church alone" - ie. the Bishops, and the Pope.
---laure5759 on 11/23/06


Part Two

2. Protestants believe that the Bible is guaranteed to remain true to its divine source (the Holy Spirit), and therefore, the logical consequence is that if the church traditions fall away from scripture, then the authority of the church is negated.

Therefore the question is not "Is sola Scripture unbiblical?", but rather "Do you see the Bible as the final authority, or the "Office of Jesus Christ", as embodied in the Church leaders?"
---laure5759 on 11/23/06


Part Three

For my part, ONLY Jesus HIMSELF has the "office" of being the Christ. The Bible is the word of God, and Jesus is the Word. Therefore what the Bible says is what Jesus Himself says, and I therefore believe that ONLY Jesus is the final authority, and NOT anyone else who claims to be one with Him, as we are ALL one with Him. Therefore HE is the final authority, and hence His Word, the Bible.
---laure5759 on 11/23/06


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Should we quote the bible only when responding to a blog. When asked, is .....a cult? Let your yes be yes, and your no be no. A yes or a no, and give scripture to back your answer. No copying from books, but scripture alone to point out faulty/correct thinking.
---David on 11/22/06


If scriptures cannot stand on their own merits, all Talmidin [disciples/followers/believers] of Christ are in Big Trouble. Why is Christmas now considered a 'secular' holiday? Must be a reason! Peter [on the Day Of Pentecost, a converted Saul of Taursus, Apollos, Phillip (Acts 8:26-40)] & all others stood on the 'old testament' scriptures alone [as did Christ Jesus] in proving points & answering critics, are we now smarter than they? II Tim.3:16-17, nothing added, nothing taken away!
---Bob_[Elishama] on 11/22/06


augusta: "Sola Scriptura is simply not biblical." ...show me. what scripture says that? Your argument works both ways. I have given multiple scriptures that show Christ and the apostles relying Soley on scripture. Show me one where they use an outside source. You cant. You may find where a pope wrote something, but not a biblical scripture. Many scriptures support my beliefs, even if they dont say it word for word.
---tofurabby on 11/22/06


Sorry, tofurabby, but nowhere does the bible says it is our sole authority. If it did there would be no need for *any* discussion on it, here or elsewhere.

Sola Scriptura is simply not biblical.
---augusta on 11/22/06


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sorry augua9846, I have no need to email you... all the answers and evidence I need is written in the Bible.
---tofurabby on 11/22/06


Agusta: "no one has posted Scripture that says Scripture is our sole authority."

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Act 4:19 Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
---jerry6593 on 11/22/06


Tofurabby,

As I said before, if you'd like to discuss futher then feel free to email me so both of our sides can be heard. I'm too busy to write out explanatory posts that end up in outer space or fundy heaven or where ever they end up.
---augua9846 on 11/21/06


Jesus endorsed the OT as well as the NT, while he was here on earth. For me, this is sufficient to use Scripture as the sole authority, since it is the Word of God Himself.

I would rather refer to God's Word alone than to any thoughts of Man, since God's ways are not our ways, and to be one with Him, it is for us to get to know Him.
---laure5759 on 11/21/06


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Augusta, Do you have any scriptures that say they are not the sole authority? I posted many that show Christ and the apostles quoted and read scripture regularly, not one shows them reading or studying from an external source. Where is your scriptural evidence?
---tofurabby on 11/21/06


"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other." 1 Corinthians 4:6
---tofurabby on 11/21/06


Augusta - Why is that you want to discuss Sola Scripture privately? Why won't you do it here on the Blogs? Why not open up a whole new Blog on it?
---Helen_5378 on 11/21/06


They seek to draw disciples away after themselves. "They zealously court you, but for no good; yes, they want to exclude you, that you may be zealous for them" (Galatians 4:17).
---Helen_5378 on 11/21/06


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Folks, the bottom line is no one has posted Scripture that says Scripture is our sole authority.

It's simply not in there. And common sense alone says if Scripture is our "sole" authority then it has to say so.


PS - my email invitation stands for anyone who would like to discuss Sola Scriptura.

blessings,

augusta
---augua9846 on 11/21/06


Lisa, I've already told you twice that I don't care if you put down my Church or not, and that I was only asking that you cite your source for the quote you posted.

Did you know that failure to cite sources constitutes plagiarism (stealing), Lisa?
---augusta on 11/20/06


Hello sister Augusta, I was trying to avoid talking about your church history and their teachings and the dark side of the papacy. I have many books Augusta, Vatican 1 and 2. The St. Joseph Liturgical Bible. And a great book called, the Vicars of Christ, that has every pope and a lot of their history. What they did, how many wives they had. Who was the first infallible pope, and a whole lot of information. Most of the other material I get through the net depending on the topic.
---lisa on 11/20/06


tofurabby, I am augusta. I posted under augua9846 so you could email me.
---augua9846 on 11/20/06


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augua9846, It looks like I confused your posts with augusta. Sorry about that.
---tofurabby on 11/20/06


Lisa,

Why do you keep avoiding my request for your source for the quote (by Pope Adrian VI) you posted?
---augusta on 11/20/06


augua9846, I did notice. I also noticed that none of your posts, that did make it, contained scripture. They were all quotes from men. So, did any of the posts that didnt make it contain scripture?

"And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition." Mark 7:9
---tofurabby on 11/20/06


Sola Scriptura is a Bible doctrine and was practiced by the Apostolic Fathers. Extra-biblical oral tradition is not a Bible doctrine, and was not practiced by the Apostolic Fathers.

Jesus defeated the three temptations of the Devil with, "it is written", NOT "I say". Mt 4:1-11

The only times Jesus referred to Oral traditions, was condemning them. Mark 7:7-13
---tofurabby on 11/20/06


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=2= Jesus made many references to scripture and never relied on oral traditions but scripture alone. Matthew 12:3; Matthew 12:5; Matthew 21:42

Jesus expected the scriptures to be understood by the average man, even his enemies. Luke 10:26; Mark 12:24; Matthew 22:29; Matthew 26:24; Luke 20:17; John 5:39; Matthew 26:54

Jesus always referred to scripture, after all he is their fulfillment.
---tofurabby on 11/20/06


=3= the apostles always directed people to the scriptures for the final determination of truth. Oral tradition is worthless without the backing of scripture. Acts 17:2; Acts 17:11-12; Acts 18:28

Scriptures were read in the churches. 1 Timothy 4:13

Scripture is understandable. 2 Timothy 3:15; Ephesians 3:2-5; 2 Corinthians 1:13
---tofurabby on 11/20/06


=4= MikeM, see how I am able to respond with scripture to your man made statement. Scripture alone is all-sufficient for life, morality, conduct and doctrine. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Whatever book you read about Luther is hardly inspired by God. We should only trust in what we can know for sure will never fail us. God's Word will be right 100% of the time. ...no lie. Titus 1:2
---tofurabby on 11/20/06


Tofurabby well said. Very good passages given on behalf of this topic. Man has always failed and still do. Man through history has done so much evil because of his own nature. Always trying to figure out God but never following the teachings of God. They have a decieved mind, only teaching what their hearts desire.
---lisa on 11/20/06


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Sola scriptora was a man made doctrine, coined by Luther, also rejected by Luther later in life. What is does is reduce scripture to a talisman.
---MikeM on 11/20/06


Tofurabby, did you not notice that only 1 (#6) out of 8 of my posts made it to the board?

If you want me to explain my position then it looks like you'll have to email me.
---augua9846 on 11/20/06


"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26 (not Peter)

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth..." John 16:13 (not Peter)
---tofurabby on 11/20/06


=2= "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God." 1 Corinthians 2:11 (not even the pope)

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. ... which the Holy Ghost teacheth..." 1 Corinthians 2:12-13 (not Peter)
---tofurabby on 11/20/06


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=3= "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church..." Ephesians 5:23 (not Peter)

"I am the LORD: and my glory will I not give to another..." Isaiah 42:8 (no one, not even Peter)

"And ye are complete in him (Jesus), which is the head of all principality and power:" Colossians 2:10 (not Peter)

"And he (Christ) is the head of the body, the church..." Colossians 1:18 (not Peter)
---tofurabby on 11/20/06


6. I'll quote Baptist scholar David Biven on this one:

"Jesus is giving Peter the authority to make decisions regulating the life of the church. He confers upon Peter symbols of authority, the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Decisions or rulings Peter makes will have the authority of Heaven behind them. His decisions will be upheld by God. What Peter forbade, Heaven would forbid. What Peter permitted, Heaven would permit." con't
---augua9846 on 11/19/06


Scripture alone is the correct rule of faith for the Christian. All other sources are merely men's opinions, and must be tested by the scriptures ("to the law and to the testomony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" Isa 8:20). Opinions are like noses, everybody has one. It is un-Christian to put down another's religion, as Christ has His flock in many fields. We may argue against doctrines, so long as the arguments are from scripture alone.
---jerry6593 on 11/19/06


=3= Why did Peter declare the following?: "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:20
Why does Paul instruct us to study the Bible if we can't interpret it?: "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15
Why did Jesus tell the Jews "Search the scriptures..." John 5:39 if they couldn't interpret them?
---tofurabby on 11/18/06


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augusta, you're posting is not from scripture. It is another persons opinion. Trust in God's Word. Not man. I guess that would be hard to do though when Catholic. Especially seeing how they do not want you to read the Bible for yourself. The catechism says "The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him." Pg. 30, #100
---tofurabby on 11/18/06


=2= what does scripture say about that?
When Paul and Silas preached in Berea, the people: "... received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11
Jesus chastised the Sadducees for not knowing the Scriptures, why if they needed someone else to interpret them?: "And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?" Mark 12:24
---tofurabby on 11/18/06


*Clement was a Bishop, not a Pope*

The pope is a bishop. He is the Bishop of Rome and has authority over the church. This is why the Corinthians wrote to him to settle a disptute even though the Apostle John was still alive.

Apostolic succession was first taught by the Apostles as found is Scripture and was merely defined later by the church.

(cont)
---augusta on 11/16/06


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