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The Bible And Mental Illness

What does the Bible have to say about Mental Illness?

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My goodness, I came to this blog for some help in understanding how to resolve my feelings about loving Christ, AND having bi polar depression and being treated for people want ti fight over whether or not these are mutually exclusive...but if they are then Jesus DOESN'T love me as I am, and mayber...just maybe..."healing everyone on earth" is not His plan...we will be healed someday, but it is your type of Christian that makes me (this Christian) feel less than we are...and I don't that you are acting in a Chriastian way when you do this. Thanks that was a helpful education.
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When a doctor diagnoses diabetes, he has a test to evaluate insulin production that no one can dispute. Mental illness is a little more abstract, eventhough there are CT and PET scans that are available. It's easier to blame a demon for shortcomings and you need to go to church and let the pastor lay hands on you for deliverance, than to have a Dr. tell you that you have OCD, or are schizophrenic.
---Vee on 4/6/08

One of the major reasons that many people are afraid to be around or talk with a person who suffers either from poverty, or from a chemical imbalance mental illness, is because they are afraid of "catching it." Cetainly pray for such people, but also get them medical treatment when they need it. Gary
---gary on 12/17/06

This previous comment was from Linda 4843.
---Lindal on 11/15/06

I was facinated with this blog because some of it didn't make sense. Christ said it will rain on all and not just the unsaved. If you broke your leg you would go to a hospital have it set. Yes, God can heal you but he may also use this for the good. Mental illness isn't any different. When you finally realize something is wrong you go to the correct doctor and let him or her help you. Of course, you pray first for a good doctor.
---Linda on 11/15/06

Clinical depression run through my mother's side of the family. She was raised under the worst conditions any child has ever had. She raised my brother and I as if nothing happened in her childhood. I praise God for her. However, because her generation believe you shouldn't' talk about mental illness she refused to except as she became older that she needed that kind of help. I thank God that my Mom is in heaven and she feel no physical or mental pain.

---Linda on 11/15/06

Praise the Lord, Linda! And - AMEN! As born again believers we have a choice...

Victim - OR - VICTOR!!
---Crystal on 11/15/06

Personal resposibility being believing that what God says of us in Christ is true because of Christ and His work, and not because we do or don't do something. Like I said before, what you believe, even if it is a lie, will work as truth in your life. If you believe you are a recovering alcoholic, you will always be recovering and never recovered. The work of Christ did not patch up who we used to be in Adam. He terminated him. He recovered man from the clutches of the law of sin and death.
---Linda6563 on 11/15/06

If you believe you are a new creature in Christ because of what He did and not because of what you do and that the old man of sin died at the cross through the death of Jesus thereby freeing you from the dominion of sin, you will walk as a new creature and the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life (the sum of all temptation) between your ears (in your mind) will be executed by the flaming sword of truth that flows from rest.
---Linda6563 on 11/15/06

Sin is not the problem anymore. It is what we think about sin that is the problem. The bars are not external or in our spirit. They are in the mind.
---Linda6563 on 11/15/06

Whom the son has set free is free indeed. I have heard Pastors say it is one of the hardest things to deliver. Jesus himself said "this kind only comes out w/prayer & much fasting." I dealt w/a violent rapid cycling bi-polar person. It was like going thru hell for all. He tried to kill me, his mom, attacked cops, heard voices, walked out naked etc. Would become catatonic and be hospitilized for months at a time. Just keep your eyes on Jesus no matter what the out come.
---Jeanne on 11/15/06

I've kinda stayed out of this the last few days because Linda was doing such a GREAT job, but I have to comment.

"One can believe he/she is a "recovering alcoholic or addict," or one can believe he/she is a new creature in Christ.

That is BRILLIANT, Linda! One can claim "I have a 'disease,' or I have a new life in Christ!" Blaming a condition or an illness is nothing more than embracing the world view regarding these matters & avoiding personal responsibility.
---Crystal on 11/15/06

Alan, I am not quite sure you read what I wrote without an already preconceived notion of what you thought I was going to say. I did give you Biblical support, cited Scriptures even. Nevertheless, I never said your friend was not delivered. That is what you seem to think I said. If you believe that is what I said then, to you, that is what I said and I cannot change that with a million words. Bottom line is that I am not going to argue over it.
---Linda6563 on 11/14/06

Regarding the "residual weakness", Jesus is not weak. Regarding the damaged liver, God's mercy is more than enough to heal that liver despite the fact that she brought that on herself. One can believe he/she is a "recovering alcoholic or addict" or one can believe he/she is a new creature in Christ.
---Linda6563 on 11/14/06

A new creature is something that has never existed before. If you discover that you are something that never existed before, the question remains "what happened to who I used to be?" That's the question we all need to have the Holy Spirit to show us the answer to.
---Linda6563 on 11/14/06

Helen & Linda > I notice that neither of you have produced the biblical support that I requested, nor have you explained how the residual weakness is a sin whereas the damaged liver is not.
If my friend sins by having that reaction to a spiked drink being given to her, I must be sinning by my reaction to getting cold in wet weather.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/14/06

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AlanUK_quent5969 - Linda6563 is not trying to destroy your friend at all. She has simply told the Biblical truth of your friend's addiction. I suggest that you read her Blogs again and if you do not understand, then please ask the Lord to show you what she means.
---Helen_5378 on 11/14/06

Linda6563 - I agree with everything you have said. It is the Cross and only the Cross i.e. Jesus' finished work on the Cross that sets people free, and nothing else. Jesus set me completely and totally free from Alcoholism way back in 1981, many years before I knew Him. Then Jesus set me completely and totally free from cigarette addiction also. "Behold, the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world".
---Helen_5378 on 11/14/06

AlanUK_quent5969 - I really do not think there is much point in my explaining anything to you, do you? I mean, every time that I do, you do not believe me anyway. You need to be able to take correction and admit that you could be wrong, especially when Scriptures are given, as Linda has done.
---Helen_5378 on 11/14/06

Sister Linda, you have explained the work of Christ in a believer as I see it with your five comments to Alan. The very reason I have posted on behalf of OSAS. You finished and made the statement that, that take that to heart because of what you understand, and I do the same because it is the Work of Christ and His death that has healed us. You close with, "God began a good work and He will complete it" My point exactly. Thank you Linda
---lisa on 11/14/06

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Alan, I am sure that time would fail before I could ever give you all the Biblical support for what I said, especially since every Old Testament story and every New Testament revelation declares the glory of God in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I am sorry you believe I use a whole lot of words when I talk about Christ and Him crucified, but God Himself inspired Paul to write, "I am determined to know NOTHING among you save Jesus Christ and Him crucified."
---Linda6563 on 11/14/06

Here are some starters though and I welcome you to find a single one of these that do NOT point to the death Jesus died and the life that He lives. How about Gal.2:20, Romans 6 (our participation in what He did), Eph.2:2,5,6. Or how about 1 Peter 2:24, taking acute notice of the word "were" in that verse. Our being healed has everything to do with Jesus bearing our sins in his own body on the tree and our being dead to sin because of it and able to live unto righteousness.
---Linda6563 on 11/14/06

That is substitution and identification in that one verse. I didn't make the statement I did trying to knock down the experience of your friend. However, so many people believe they are delivered the day they stop doing something when, in truth, they were delivered from sin the day Jesus died and delivered to righteousness the day He rose again. When we believe, we enter into what He did and we find our experience of that truth in its completion and fullness.
---Linda6563 on 11/14/06

Alan, I didn't say your friend wasn't set free. I am saying that she wasn't set free when she stopped drinking. Most people think they are free or delivered once they stop doing something when, in fact, they were made free when they were born again as a new creature in Christ. Your friend was set free by the person and work of Christ, a finished deal that was done over two thousand years ago. His death is what delivered her from the dominion of an addiction.
---Linda6563 on 11/13/06

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Believing that and allowing it to work to its fullest in her life will also bring into experience deliverance from ANY and ALL aspects of it, including the desire or "relapse" should anyone decide to spike a drink again. I just believe the gospel is that powerful. I won't apologize for that. My remark was not meant to diminish what had been accomplished in her life already. God began a good work and He will complete it.
---Linda6563 on 11/13/06

If a man having a Legion of demons in him can see Jesus afar off and run to worship Him, with the result being that he was found sitting, clothed, and in His right mind, I am certain beyond the shadow of a doubt that your friend can find herself as far removed from even the thought of being an addict or having an addiction as that man was from those demons.
---Linda6563 on 11/13/06

Linda ... What a lot of words you use! My friend has been saved, has been freed by the power of her Salvation from the desire to drink. That I thought would have been implicit in what I said about her, and yet you try to destroy her.
The fact is that when unknowingly drinking alcohol, her illness showed itself.
You may call that illness sin. I say it is just the result of & punishment for the earlier sin, just as a damaged liver would
Since you condemn, where is your biblical support?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/13/06

"She has not drunk for many years now, and so is free from the sin of excessive (or indeed any)"

One is not delivered from a thing when he/she stops doing that thing. One is delivered by the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. His death was the death of who we were in Adam (with all his problems, addictions, affliction, and infirmities) and His life is our life.
---Linda6563 on 11/13/06

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Believing that and continuing in believing is the beginning of experiencing the deliverance from sin Jesus exacted in His death and the working of the mighty power of God which was wrought in Christ when He raised Him from the dead.
---Linda6563 on 11/13/06

Helen: I am not going to waste blog space and my time going around on this one. Most people on these blogs can agree to disagree on some issues. You, obviously, cannot. I respect your right to disagree with me. Please respect my right to disagree with you. I believe alcoholism is a disease and drunkenness is sin. You say alcoholism is sin. I am leaving it at that.
---Madison1101 on 11/13/06

Helen ... I have told you before about my friend.
She was a drinker, and became an alcoholic.
She has not drunk for many years now, and so is free from the sin of excessive (or indeed any)
A "friend" spiked her drink with alcohol. She drank the drink, not knowing there was alcohol in it.
She did not understand the sudden craving for alcohol that followed.
Why did she have that sudden craving?
You seem to say that it was because she sinned ... please explain in what way.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/13/06

Helen # 2 In a way, I admire your impertinence when you imply that my friends are not saved.
But I have to deplore it as well.
In fact they are.
And they know more about how being saved has protected them from that medical fact of their addiction than you do.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/13/06

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Helen # 3 I have asked before, but you avoided answering.
Excessive drinking can cause a ruined liver.
It can also cause addiction (but God can give strength to the addict to avoid drink)
Is the ruined liver a sin in itself, or the result (punishment) for sin?
The same applies to the addiction.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/13/06

Helen ... It is clear you never proper;ly read what I said about my friend. You say "Nobody pours alcohol forcibly down an alcoholic's throat"
Are you so sure? But in my friends case, what happened was just the same. she was deceived inot drinking what she thought was a non-alcoholic drink.
Where was the sin, where was the willingness?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/13/06

Madison1101 - What Crystal says is correct. A.A. in fact encourages all of its attendees to think of their alcoholism as a lifelong illness. There is no personal accountability in that. The focus is put onto it being an illness, and never looked at for what it really is and that is sin. Nobody pours alcohol forcibly down an alcoholic's throat.. they need no help doing that and willingly do that. In fact an addict's whole life is spent in chasing the next drink. (continued...)
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/06

2/...It is by a person's freewill that they become alcoholic. They willingly take the first drink, then more, & more. The Bible calls drinking to excess drunkenness. Not to mention the sins that state leads one into - drunkenness, lewdness, sexual sins, prostitution, stealing, murder, gambling, outbursts of wrath, etc. Most of the sins in Galatians 5:19-21. Tell me, if alcoholism is not a sin as you claim, then why is it that you want to not drink? If it is not sin, then why bother?
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/06

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Crystal is looking to the Bible. Madison1101 is looking to A.A. That is the difference here. Alan, with due respect you should be able to tell your unsaved friends that the Lord Jesus Christ took their addictions on the Cross. Until you stop listening to the lies of the enemy you won't be able to do that.
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/06

Alan - What did happen to her? You don't like Crystal's posts because she is telling the truth, which is something you do not know about addiction. Have you ever been addicted to anything? If not, then you will never understand.
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/06

Alan - What offends you is the fact that you refuse to see addiction for what it really is. Addiction is sin. Your problem is that you are listening to people who are in so-called "recovery" and they are of the world and it's methods. Have you ever noticed that "recovery" is not to be found in God's Word? Healing is there though.
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/06

Madison1101 - With respect, you do say that you have an illness/sickness/disease. That is why Crystal said what she said. You do not acknowledge your alcoholism as a sin, therefore you will be bound until you do.
---Helen_5378 on 11/12/06

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Helen ... I think that nearly everybody would regard "disease" as meaning something different from "illness", and I can understand why what Crystal could cause offence.
Is you own addiction sinful?
What also causes offence is the way in which you both DENY that addiction is an illness, and the result of stupid and maybe sinful behaviour or maybe just have a medical cause, and ignore the true FACTS thatI related.
Is your own addiction sinful?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/12/06

Crystal: The whole basis of the 12 Step recovery model is that a person is powerless over their "disease" and therefore must find God to relieve their alcoholism/addiction. The 12 Step groups do not promote a self-pity, poor me mentality, but encourage personal responsibility for one's recovery. If you have so much experience in the recovery/addiction field, you should know that.
---Madison1101 on 11/12/06

Helen: I am not offended by what I say about myself. The following is what Crystal said about people who believe as I do, and her words are what I find offensive to myself as a recovering alcoholic who believes I have a disease.

Crystal said, ""ill" people have a screwed up view of their condition. Poor, poor me - it's not my fault. I'm sick."

That is not what I believe, or how I think. She needs to rethink this.
---Madison1101 on 11/12/06

Crystal ... You have called my friend a liar, because you say her addiction is a sin.
If you read the account of what happened to her, how can you say that she is sinning by having this medical weakness that kicks in if she unknowingly drinks alcohol?
In all your condemnation of addiction, you have not addressed her story and the facts of what happened to her at all.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/12/06

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That is really an excellent point. In my 20 years of experience, I've never treated an adult who was once a baby exposed in the womb to substance abuse. That deserves some serious consideration. Their condition may require a different approach, although I would still tell this person that it will be "the truth that sets him/her free." Personal responsibility would still play a role. Thank you for the "food for thought."
---Crystal on 11/12/06



Never think for a second that I have had to make "simple" choices. Oh, no! It has been a struggle NOT to participate in some sins.


It was never my intention to insult you, but I KNOW recovery comes sooner to those who don't see themselves as victims. Those who blame an "illness" have a much more difficult time coming out of that lifestyle and staying clean.
---Crystal on 11/12/06



I empathize with your struggle, but a "sick brain" is a matter of taking captive your thoughts. Not easily accomplished, but can be done. Certain habits create literal groves in your brain that can actually be seen. That is why it is SO hard to break a habit, because when faced with the temptatioin, your synapsis fires along the same path and you want to do what you've always done. Sin is like that - habitual.
---Crystal on 11/12/06


Linda, as usual, shows great wisdom. "Set your thoughts on the things of the Lord." A high & lofty goal, but one we are commanded to strive for nonetheless. Breaking the bonds of sin is a battle, but:

Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world!

Should we continue to make excuses for sin, we will not be held guiltless before God. He WILL NOT listen to how "sick" we were. He already knows, but He's given us all we need to overcome.
---Crystal on 11/12/06

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This is not about making a choice to pick it up or not pick it up. That choice leaves you focusing either on the item or your problem. We are to set our minds on things above where there is a Lamb as though it had been slain standing, the testimony of the death of the old man and the life of the new. What you believe, even if it is not truth, will work in your life.
---Linda6563 on 11/11/06

Romans six says that we are servants to that which we obey, whether sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness. The body is dead because of sin but the spirit is life because of righteousness. Believe that His Spirit in you will quicken your mortal body and you will find that the sin lurking in your members cannot express itself.
---Linda6563 on 11/11/06

Believing is not a one time event. It is a lifestyle of walking by faith in who Jesus is and what He is done until the renewing of the mind leaves us transformed and expressing His image. Focusing on the addiction will magnify it in your life. O, magnify the Lord and bless His holy name.
---Linda6563 on 11/11/06

One more reason I just want to add for why I think addiction is a sickness, at least mental, if not physical too: I once (honest!) wanted to drink a bottle of men's cologne simply because of the "Bay Rum" label!! That is a sick, alcoholic brain I had!
---Mary on 11/11/06

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Madison1101 - (" alcoholic who has a disease"). That is what you say about yourself. You say that you are a "recovering" alcoholic and that it is an illness (disease). Are you offended by what you say?
---Helen_5378 on 11/11/06

Crystal: It is possible for a person to believe their addiction is an illness and still take personal responsibility for their addiction and behavior in recovery. The two are NOT mutually exclusive. I am an example of that, and so are many people in the 12 Step rooms. You do us a disservice by your description, and I find it personally insulting the way you have described me as an alcoholic who believes I have a disease.
---Madison1101 on 11/11/06

In no way, shape or form have I called anyone a liar simply because I disagree that addictions are not illnesses. Helen makes an EXCELLENT point. What the world calls an alcoholic, the Word of God calls a drunkard. Put an "ic" at the end and we can all blame a predisposition. NO WAY! God is not a God of excuses. As Christians we MUST face sin and call it what it is - SIN. There is no other way to defeat it.
---Crystal on 11/11/06

Crystal,why can some people make a decison to not pick up, and some cant? Some people are allergic to certian chemicals, it causes a reaction. They aren't like you, who can make a simple choice. If it was as easy as you say there would be no addicts. They would simply "make a decision" to stop.I hate to say, but it's attitude's like yours that keeps addicts sick.
---sue on 11/11/06

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Crystal in all due respect U say "ill people have a screwed up view of their condition." Doesnt that prove the point all others are saying? If they are ill then of course their point is screwed up and needs to gently be guided to a "safe" place for that person. Some are that way due to choice but my bro was born an addict w/the shakes and learning disability it was not his "choice" the choice was made for him in the womb. There is black and white but there is also gray areas.
---Jeanne on 11/11/06

Amen, Laura!! :) Thank you for your words of compassion and wisdom! As a recovering alcoholic of 30 months, I agree that it's a combination of sin and insanity! When I was drinking I was eager to live, yet dying for something that was killing me--I was on the verge of true insanity. It's a sickness, indeed.
---Mary on 11/11/06

Crystal ... You have left this discussion calling me and my friends liars.
Did you have the courtesy to read the facts of the situation?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/11/06

Crystal ... You have left this discussion calling me and my friends liars.
Did you have the courtesy to read the facts of the situation?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/11/06

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Helen ... Why are you addicted to valium? Is that addiction a sin, or a result of yuo being prescribed it as a medicine?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/11/06

Addictions are all sin. Sin is rebellion against God. The world calls it sickness. God calls it sin, that is why He sent His Son Jesus to die on the Cross for the sin of the world.
---Helen_5378 on 11/11/06

In anticipation of the outcry against my post - Jesus did not die on the Cross because we were sick. Jesus died on the Cross because we were totally completely lost in sin. Once you start to see the big picture of sin and the Cross, that is when you will see reality.
---Helen_5378 on 11/11/06

This will be my last post on the subject:

Again, I have been in this business for 20+ years. Experience & results have shown me that "ill" people have a screwed up view of their condition. Poor, poor me - it's not my fault. I'm sick. HOGWASH!

People who truly experience victory say "I am where I am today because of the choices I made in the past. I am NOT "ill." I'm an addict. I CAN make a different choice TODAY. Those are simply the facts. Period.
---Crystal on 11/11/06

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Jesus came to set the captives free. The crown of thorns that Jesus wore on His brow was for the healing of our minds. How many of us are willing to believe that?
---Helen_5378 on 11/11/06

Unless a person has truly been "addict/alcoholic", u wouldn't understand that addiction is a sick illness. When you see insanity of it all & the destruction, do you not think it is an illness? If they were healthy people they never would have ended up dead! People, including Christians who have quit drinking for 20 yrs, & took that 1st drink & their illness takes over & they can't quit after 1 & have died tragically. How can that not be an illness? Just something to think about.

---laura7686 on 11/10/06

Crystal: I am in recovery, and don't play the "Blame Game" and believe my addiction is an illness. I take responsibility for my behavior and my addiction recovery. So do the many people I know in AA who are working their program one day at a time. I have been in recovery for 17 years, and understand addictions from the inside out with my graduate school studies on top of my personal recovery.
---Madison1101 on 11/10/06

Crystal ... This actually happened to my friend. Why was she "naive" to accept in good faith a proclaimed non-alcoholic drink from her friend? Come, Crystal, would you not do the same? Would you have tested a drink from a trusted freind?
Why will you not accept the truth of what happened to her?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/10/06

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Maybe Crystal, your understanding of addiction differs from mine since yuo seem to equate it to a habit.
It it is not ... My gambling freind does not gamble now, so has broken the habit. But he is honest to undersatnd that the addiction remains lurking in his body to strike if he ever touches a lottery ticket.
It is absurd that you deny the truth of these accounts by people who actually are addicts. You are just quoting theory, which does not accord with reality.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/10/06

Alan, I DID read & understand your comment. Won't call your friend a "liar," but she is naive, not "ill!"

Madison, don't tell me I'm wrong when I have been in this business for 20+ years. My most successful clients are the ones who don't play the "blame game" and truly go into recovery. The ones who claim an "illness" almost NEVER recover. They wallow in self-pity & relapse over & over. Mentally ill patients are an entirely different subject!
---Crystal on 11/10/06

Hi Madison; I really like the way you explained addiction--it's soooo true! I know even before I had my first drink, I had strange cravings for it that I couldn't understand at the time
---Mary on 11/9/06

Me again lol; when I filed for divorce from my second husband, my heart was completely broken, and I actually found myself FONDLING some liquor my mom had bought that was in the car! FONDLING THE BOX! Insane? Sick? Oh yes! But I'm praising God today; AMEN! :)
---Mary on 11/9/06

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Crystal ... Will you read and understand my comment of 11/9?
Would you call my friend a liar?
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/9/06

Crystal: You are so wrong on the addiction/illness issue. Addiction is so much more than a habit. There is a physical component to addiction, and there is an emotional component. The two combine to create a really sick person who usually hates the addiction, but is bound to it by a physical craving for more of the drug.
---Madison1101 on 11/9/06

#2 Much of addiction is to escape severe emotional pain. There are also people who are severely mentally ill, who become addicted in an attempt to manage their symptoms. That creates two problems, a mentally ill person with an addiction. Recovery for these patients is so much more challenging.
---Madison1101 on 11/9/06

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